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you are genuinely spot on with your prediction of how this goes, I'm honestly very biased to unconditional though so I have to say regardless of that it's an unbridled cut above the rest even with the predictability of it mind (it takes alot of the cookie cutter aspects of those tropes and makes them feel mature), there's something really tangible and gentle about the relationship the characters develop and it's unlike anything I've ever read, the dialogue is very witty and maybe it's just nostalgia talking but it's one of my favourite mangas I've consumed (check my profile... I've read alot).

I am rambling but honestly I think it's better to have read this and find out you hate it (while still getting some frankly unprecedentedly great references on: healthy relationships, taking personal responsibility romantically, chivalry, determining genuine apologetics etc.) than not reading it at all, the author did something really social imo.

spoiler wise:

I personally find the way they deal with the guilt MC goes through a bit grittier than most in this genre, he genuinely is chewing off his fingers because of it.

ML is not very forgiving which I appreciated it takes alot and what I assume is months fr them to get back to a semblance of something (he cuts off MC completely/they break up with him having no intention of them getting back together, there no puppy eyes though ML is genuinely a hardcore yearner, he gives no fucks and shows a kind of pettiness I kind of enjoyed)

their reconciliation doesn't feel fickle ... if my memory serves right it's poetic without over or understating anyone's stakes in the relationship. (MC comes to a point where he's is just trying to be accepting that he messed up and maybe should move on but is still hopeful ofc.. they r both yearners imo honestly wtf )

idk I feel like I'm yapping wayyy too much idk if this is what you meant by light spoilers I don't want to give anything away for you that may be a great plot point as a reader. I tried talking about what you'd already brought up.

I don’t mind predictability because it doesn’t always speak of quality. I am just worried for my nerves.

I didn’t mind your ‘rambling’. You really got me with ‘better to read and not like it than not read at all’. I will try my best not to focus too much on the drama (difficulty: extreme) and focus on other things instead, because I really do love deep stories that actually give us great and not one dimensional characters.

I will read it. Thank you.

Nah, it’s perfect. Don’t worry. Now I kinda know what I’m getting into, so I’m prepared. Thank you!!!!

And you don’t ‘yap too much’. I love detailed responses.

yayyy I'm happy if I could be of any help at all I'm back because of the new work the author has put out and I think I'm gonna read it again let's hope we both enjoy it you for the first time and me for the 5th

The hypocrisy of it all is everyone hated him before he became a bottom. He became a bottom and suddenly everyone is infantalizing him and pretending that him being horrible person isn't a thing. All of a sudden he deserves a love he didn't even value. Mans was threatening siwoo with everything even his very junior employees. He is an unhinged psycho and people think he's a cute little baby just because he became a bottom so all his fucked actions are now excusable. Tops are crucified for what he's done but now since he's joined the bottom side he deserves a chance.

This!!!

I forgot that he also threatened his employees.

Also, I think people started sympathising with him because of what he has gone through in the story. It’s fine to feel bad for him, because I did too. All that rape shit was disgusting. But forgetting all the shit he did and excusing his actions is also disgusting. I can’t believe people still can’t separate the two.

You’re also on to something here with the whole bottom thing.

I get where you're coming from, but you're kinda missing the bigger picture here. The red head isn’t some simple VILLAIN; he's got a ton of trauma and pressure from his family since he was a KID, and that’s where all his MESSED UP BEHAVIOR comes from. It’s not an excuse, but it’s definitely the reason behind why he acted the way he did. He’s been stuck in this toxic cycle of self-destruction, and just because he's starting to break out of it doesn’t mean everything’s magically better. It’s a process, you know?

Though his grandmother 'loves' him, you can’t ignore how massive the pressure is on him. The company's reputation is practically resting on his shoulders, and that’s a weight that most people wouldn't be able to handle without cracking. It’s like he's been set up to fail, and I honestly think a lot of people fail to see just how overwhelming that is for him. If you actually read the whole story, you should be aware of how 'scared' the red head was when he faced his grandmother.

I honestly think you’re being a bit too harsh with your take. Dismissing his character development entirely without acknowledging the struggle he’s been through just feels… shallow. If you’re gonna criticize him, at least see the bigger picture, and let’s be real–judging the author the way you did with all that 'ass' talk just doesn’t sit right with me. Yeah, I was mad too about how things went down with the red head, but I respect the author’s decision. It’s their story, and even if it hurt to watch, it’s part of the bigger narrative they built.

Oh, and please next time, call the red head by his name, because even though I hate Suha, I still respect him by calling his name.

I’m not missing a picture. Trauma and fucked up upbringing doesn’t excuse his actions. I understand where he is coming from, but it still doesn’t excuse it.

I’m tired of authors using mental illness or bad childhood as a quick way to make character likeable or for their redemption. Because the fact is: he abused and raped Suha for years, he threatened people with his position, he almost killed a guy in his tantrum when he wasn’t given what he wanted.

Stop infantilising grown people with mental illnesses. I’m saying that as a psychology major and a person with mental illness.

I am completely justified with hating the character. And I’m not dismissing his character development. I’m calling his character development ass. Like I'm sorry I'm not celebrating an abuser of many years for gaining a little bit of empathy, but still being a toxic piece of shit. I’m also mostly dissing the author that decided that gang rape and torture is the best way to give him character development.

And like I said already, I’m all for him to go to therapy and find a better life. What author wrote was ass development for him and people around him.

I would’ve been more than happy if the story mention like “hey, remember this villain? he went to therapy and now is living better life”. Good for him. Or if a story was centred around him developing empathy and slowly making amends. But no, he is getting raped and only through trauma he is getting development. And guess what: it’s worse development!!! Author is still traumatising him!!! He is not healing or getting better. His traumas just pile up until he becomes worse and you can see that in how obsessed he is with his love interest.

You keep saying 'but it still doesn’t excuse it,' but did you even read my comment properly? I literally said 'It’s not an excuse.' Maybe read carefully before trying to argue.

Also, Suha was never raped. Read it again, multiple times if necessary. He "chose" to do it because Dohyeok manipulated him. Manipulation is horrible, yes, but it’s not the same as rape. Meanwhile, Dohyeok was literally drugged and gang-raped. He explicitly DID NOT CONSENT. How are you even equating the two? Suha went through nothing compared to that.

And what really gets me is that you claim to be a psychology major, yet instead of analyzing why a character acts the way they do, you just hyperfocus on hating the execution. Shouldn’t someone with a psychology background be more interested in exploring character psychology rather than just saying it’s BAD writing?

Besides, this isn’t your story. Saying 'I would’ve been happier if the story went like this…'—okay? And? Who are you to dictate how the author writes their narrative? If you want that version, go write your own.

Who is arguing? I shared my opinion on the story and character. I didn’t even use any condescending or aggressive language in my response, so why are you calling me shallow and being aggressive? If you don’t agree with my opinion or what I said then don’t reply, because I thought we were having a discussion.

My use of language in the original post wasn’t directed at you and why are you getting offended on the author’s part? I have the right to express my take and the obvious problem with the narrative, while using unserious tone and words like ‘ass’. You want me to have an actual analysis and serious take? Okay.

Being coerced into having sex is still rape. Same way if you keep pressuring someone to say ‘yes’ is still rape. And if I remember correctly, he also drugged Suha in the story. Also I mentioned excusing, because that’s what you are doing. You can say ‘it doesn’t excuse’, but you are still excusing him. You bring up his trauma and childhood, while invalidating what his actions did to other people in his life, while also invalidating what he did to Suha, saying it was just simple manipulation when it wasn’t. If you had the same amount of empathy to his victims, you would’ve realised that it’s okay to feel sympathy for him, but it’s not okay

Also notice how I also condone what happened to him, yet you are attacking me and not the author? I criticised author, because they make a character that acts repulsively and with obvious psychological problems, but instead of giving a character a normal story of facing consequences of his behaviour and action, he is met with torture and rape that only further traumatises him, making his condition worse. Author made an awful character and then made him even worse, without showing any redemption. Character was self-centered and drowning in self-pity and got worse.

Yes, trauma literally alters your brain, making you act a certain way. That’s why in court if a person seriously ill they don’t get a full sentence. However, they still get punished, because what they did is still wrong. Because mental illness doesn’t protect you from responsibility. If you are treated poorly by your family, it doesn’t give you a green light to treat other poorly. It explains why you act that way, but it’s not excusing what you did to others.

We are not talking about a dysfunctional mentally ill person, who completely can’t comprehend reality. Or a child who is still developing and lacking empathy. We are talking about a grown and fully mature man with fully developed brain. He understands what he is doing is bad, but he is still doing it to feel superior since he was threatened and was in vulnerable position his whole life. He is not aware of why he is feeling that way, but he knows that whatever he was doing with Suha felt good. He knows that being in a higher position where he can’t go to prison feels good. He is purposely putting himself in that position, because he doesn’t want to feel like people he is treating that way. Cycle of abuse and all that.

In my original post, I was bashing the author for that decision. I said that I don’t like the character, but I still didn’t wish him to go through all of that on top of his trauma.

Me having psychology degree doesn’t mean I will psycho analyse or be interested in every single character. Do you think people with math degree would sit and calculate every single thing while reading? I am reading this as a reader. If I was reading this a psychologist, I would’ve sat down and analysed every sentence and expression in manhwa, but why would I do that. I also want to read things without turning on my professional mode.

I am treating him as a fictional character that has awful personality. He is not my client or an actual person I’m working with to set aside my personal beliefs and focus on his understanding. Because I am a person too and I have right to be disgusted with him.

I brought up my degree, because you are infantilising his character. He is a grown man. When talking about accountability and me not liking him, you bring up his trauma and childhood as if that’s a strong argument. I feel empathy towards him, but I still hate him. And I’ve already explained why.

Calling me shallow for not liking an abusive and questionable character doesn’t put you above me or make you an epitome of the open-minded person or empathy. You can like the character. The flag is in your hands. I won’t call you names for liking him, because that’s not how it works. I understand that you could like the concept of him, relate to his story or something like that. Understandable. But you also need to stop using this language to bash people who don’t like what you like. Understanding why character does something ≠ completely erasing what they did or my feelings for them.

Also notice how you compare traumas of characters (your quote: “Suha went through nothing compared to that”). So if a character went through much more - he is justified in doing whatever he is doing? I will stop you right there. Now you are literally belittling someone’s traumatic experiences, while trying to defend and justify his abuser. WHILE trying to explain to me how I don’t get the whole picture and how I don’t get the character. You are trying to get a higher moral ground on me and saying that?

Okay ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Right on the money. All that didn't need to happen for him to understand the severity of his actions. These creators think happy endings all need relationships. For him it could just be emancipation from his toxic lifestyle and developing self awareness as in developing empathy, holding himself accountable and taking responsibility for his fucked actions. He doesn't need a romantic partner for a happy ending and I hope bl creators stop endorsing this narrative.

So let me get this straight. You were the one who initially brought up your psychology degree to add weight to your perspective, but the moment I respond to it, suddenly you're "just reading as a casual reader" and don’t want to analyze things psychologically? If you didn’t want your background to be acknowledged, maybe don’t use it as a credibility card in the first place.

Also, I never excused anyone’s behavior—I pointed out the cycle of abuse, which is a well-documented psychological phenomenon. Understanding why someone does something ≠ justifying it. If you think explaining something means defending it, then that’s a comprehension issue on your end, not mine.

And let’s talk about inconsistency. You claimed my response was ‘offended’ and ‘aggressive’ simply because I pointed out contradictions. But weren’t you the one using strong language first? You can use the word “ass” in an unserious tone, but I can’t use “argue” the same way? The moment I MIRROR your energy, suddenly it’s ‘too much’ for you? Interesting.

At the end of the day, you’re free to dislike the character. But if your stance keeps shifting whenever it’s challenged, maybe it’s time to reflect on whether you actually stand by what you’re saying or just want to win a discussion at any cost.

Get the f over it will you !!!
It's a Manhwa and stop blameing Author's all the time you think you can do a way btter job well get to work and have it done on here smart ass and i will read it i'll tell you if it's trash or good !!!

Was I using strong language with you? Was I attacking and arguing with you? I was replying to you calmly. I don’t even understand what you trying to say by “I can’t use argue in the same way”. You turned this on me first here. I am talking directly at you, so my use of language is of course different. I never attacked you personally, but you started arguing with me. I’m refereeing to your tone in general and how you started addressing me directly. Even now you are being aggressive and for what. Because I disagree with your opinion? If my original post offended you, I am sorry. It wasn’t directed at you or made to make fun of you. But you are making it personal right now rather than discussing the original topic.

My stance didn’t change, what? All I did was change my tone to a serious one and expanded what I said in the OG post. Which is: 1) I understand what he went through and I still don’t like him. 2) I also didn’t like how he was raped and tortured but you bring it up as if I said that he deserved it or smth

I said in the beginning I don’t like a character and I stand by that. You use psychology and reasoning to excuse his behaviour or downplay what he did. That’s why I brought up my degree to say what you are doing is infantilising a grown man and excusing (Oxford dictionary: excuse - seek to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offence); try to justify) his actions You can say ‘I don’t justify it’, but all you do is exactly that. You literally said what he went through is worse than Suha, while I’m talking how he mistreated Suha (among other people). That’s literally what excusing means. I say I don’t like a character because he is an asshole and you bring up his childhood traumas. That’s excusing. You try to justify his actions by bringing up his trauma and childhood when it’s a completely separate point. That’s excusing. You MINIMISE what he did (your exact words: “Manipulation is horrible, yes, but it’s not the same as rape”. That’s a manipulation tactic, btw. Bringing up one awful thing and then much worse thing to make your first point less disturbing/upsetting/etc. Also yes, he still did rape Suha). That’s excusing.

It’s like if I said ‘I’m not sexually attracted to women’ while exclusively having sex with women and being repulsed by men, then get mad when being called out. You saying ‘I’m not excusing it’ is not making it true.

You called me shallow for not liking/hating his character. You have all the empathy and sympathy for him, but put down other characters and their trauma to justify your point. YOU are inconsistent and hypocritical. You bring up his childhood and traumas, but when I bring up Suha - all of a sudden his trauma is not as serious, therefore not important. You said it yourself.

I’m sad if my point didn’t get across. English is not my first language and it’s hard to write a long reply here on the phone, so I can see how my points were jagged and incomplete. However, call it inconsistency and saying I’m changing my stance is literally poor reading and comprehension on your part.

You want confrontation so bad and for what. Go to Reddit or TikTok and argue with people all you want.

So aggressive and for what. If you don’t agree, scroll. If you get personally offended by someone’s criticism of a thing you like, get over it. I am allowed to be angry at authors and express my opinion.

What if I said that when I was younger, I used to go to a writing club and my story was published in a set of stories? Am I good to critique the author now?

Do people need university degree in finance and politics to complain what is happening in the country? Grow up.

I completely agree!!! I don’t like when authors use mental illness or rape as browny points in the story. And author here did exactly that. They didn’t know how to write a redemption for the character, so they went the easy route to get readers to sympathise with him by making him a victim of sexual abuse. I’m also tired of authors using rape as a plot decide to push character development or plot.

I would’ve been more than happy for the story to be just like how you said it. A bittersweet ending where he finds a person he likes, realising what he is doing is wrong and learning a lesson. Becoming a better person. But it felt like all that suffering was for nothing. It just made him worse, because when you add onto the trauma it doesn’t nullify.

"You want confrontation so bad", isn't that you? I mean, I'm sorry for making you this complicated just because my explain that's not fit yours-that makes you write this long essay and make you feel in difficult position. Because the more I read your essay, the more I feel so pity about you. I think it's true then when you say you have mental illness so... Get well soon.

Literally so out of pocket and mad for what. Went into this conversation and now attacking me personally when I call you out for YOUR inconsistency and hypocrisy.

I hope you have a good day and touch some grass, think about life and calm whatever is angering you so much in life.

LMFAO
Aggressive !!!
You Sure i am ???
Don't you mean you !!!
I don't like people who think they are better and think they can tell off the Author's when really people like you have no right at all , i'm not offended one single bit
Get over what ???
I have nothing to get over

Ok awesome so you went a writing club still no you have no right to criticize a professional Author when your not even one !!!

If you still have this so called story that was published send it to me on here and i will read it like i said before in my previous comment i will tell you if it's good or crap !!!

Yes people do need university degree in finance and politics well that's up to them and it depand's what countery your on about !!!
I'm very grown up thankyou more then what i can say for you

Okay, kid. I’m not reading all that. Kids your age shouldn’t even read stories like that. Put down your phone and go outside, because phones ruin young people there days. Hope that helps (⌒▽⌒)

AHHHHH I LOVE YOUUUU ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ SOMEONE NEEDS TO SAY IT



(also the second master is the crippled dude btw, weird mustache that executed Dr.Oh is first master)

My mistake. Yes, First Master ordered to execute Dr. Oh. Not the second master.

THE ARREST WAS ON CAMERA! THE STATEMENT KWAK BLURTED JUSTIFYING THE ARREST WAS ON CAMERA. Do you not understand that that alone would get seok killed?

the whole REASON why seok had to write in code was BECAUSE OF THE CAMERAS. bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

So loud and for what

Do you hear yourself? Dr. Seok would’ve been caught either way. Like you said, the cameras are right fucking there. And higher ups are already suspicious of him, so it was a matter of time when they would notice and get ahold of him. Then guess fucking what would’ve happened to him. Use your head to guess what would the higher ups do with Seokhwa ESPECIALLY when the Eden is trying to gain power.

Doctor was not safe there at all. Not with Serpant that’s now working with him. Not with higher ups that are itching for a reason to get rid of Seokhwa.

In the novel, which I fucking read, the only reason Seokhwa survives and gets to work on his cure peacefully is because Kwak did this. He took him to detention, stripped his title and kept him under his wing away from the masters and higher ups. Kwak also omitted a lot of information from higher ups about Seokhwa.

Now I want you to explain exactly how he was supposed to do in that situation right after finding out that the First Master killed Dr. Oh on top of establishing that Eden (which Dr. Seok is trying to contact) do human experimentations and are also dangerous. The only decision would be to take the matter into his own hands, when, AS WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE MANHWA, things are about to become unstable with the internal struggle between First and Second Master. Let’s put on our thinking caps or go read the novel.

I was using your own logic with the cameras to show how weak it is.

About mother. Here’s what it says about Mother in the novels (and I’m pretty sure it was also said in manhwa):

1) Mother, designed long ago based on AI capabilities, rarely provided clear answers beyond its stored data. Developing vaccines and eradicating Adam still fell to humans.

2) (after terrorist attack) “Why couldn’t Mother prevent it?”
“Mother is an AI-based main server and doesn’t act on its own judgment. It only follows orders. This time, as per protocol, it started sealing off the floors where Adams appeared. Closing all floors indiscriminately could have caused even more damage.”

Aka, Mother is just a main server that stores information: camera videos, recordings, data, etc. Until a person with clearing accesses it, Mother won’t do anything. And mother is not omnipotent.

After arrest, Kwak brought Seokhwa into the shelter with no cameras and interrogated him then stripped him off his title. In other words, he abused his power and just fired Seok instead of killing him or giving him to higher ups. Then kept him in a secure shelter.

Here are more quotes:

1) (during interrogation) “Currently, Rainbow City is in conflict between First and Second. In such a situation, there’s always a risk of bloodshed. At least, consider my warning as words spoken for the safety of Dr. Seok.”
‘Considering that immediate execution was possible, it wasn’t entirely incorrect to say that keeping him alive went against his words.’
…
‘The saying that curiosity kills the cat now applied to Seokhwa as well. However, it was strange that Kwak Soohwan was offering him a chance. If everything he had shown earlier was false, then simply executing him would have sufficed.’

2) Major Kwak: “Superiors still don’t know. They just think Dr. Seok has been relocated to Gwacheon. I’ll demote you to a regular citizen with my authority, and you’ll reside here in Violet Zone Shelter. I’ll support you so you can continue your research here.”

3) Dr. Seok: “In retrospect, Kwak Soohwan’s warnings to him so far were aimed at avoiding the execution by the superiors. If someone other than Kwak Soohwan had discovered the binary code cipher first, he would no longer be a person in this world. Keeping the incident of (redacted: huge spoiler) a secret also seemed like Kwak Soohwan’s attempt to protect him.” (Chapter 28 of the novel)

Anything fucking else to yell at me?

first of all thanks for the spoilers. second, I’m literally only using the information I’m getting from the manhwa, of course it would be that painstakingly obvious to you that everything turns out hunky dory because you read the novel. As far as the MANHWA (not the novel since you’re clearly having trouble differentiating what has happened between the two) is concerned right now, the only reason higher-ups would have an idea what seok was doing was because of the arrest kwak so kindly shouted out loud. Yes I agree seok is inevitably sealing his own fate, but that doesn’t mean I agree with how Kwak handled it. But I guess now since I know what happens cause some ass wipe decided to spoiled it, Kwak’s arrest was the best idea ever! wow!

My assumption would be the first master would be keeping tabs on kwak considering their most recent conversation, and Kwak would be an idiot not to assume the same. This is why I’m pissed at what I perceived to be Kwak’s thoughtlessness (had cameras not been involved, I would agree with Kwak). Also notice how Seok in the situation of the arrest also is also terrified of what Kwak is doing/might do? How the fuck am I supposed to know things that have been explicit in the novel and manhwa??

Even going off the manhwa it’s obvious that it was the only course of action. I read the novel after this chapter and it was obvious even then. Were you reading out of your ass? Even without fucking spoilers it was black and white: Dr. Oh was killed. Seokhwa next. Major Kwak helped Dr. Seok several times and turned a blind eye to many things. Why the fuck would he betray him now when they established in the same fucking chapter that Major Kwak has no loyalty to higher ups. Use. Your. Fucking. Head.

Fucking womp womp. I’ve spoiled the next few chapters and its small details. Go fucking cry about it. There was no other way to talk to someone as dense as you without bringing concrete proof to shut your mouth.

Why should I have respect for you when you came at me first. Either learn to talk or get consequences. If you started this normally, I would’ve talked differently. So now sybau.

no way you got that heated because i used CAPS… It feels weird how you can only quote the novel for evidence. The manhwa was written in a way so that the audience would doubt what Kwak’s intentions were in the arrest. Quite literally in chapter 56 kwak says and I quote “let it go before I turn you into the military police myself… this is your last warning”. Don’t think it’s that crazy to think Kwak may just arrest Seok and have him killed, I mean it is what Seok thought. Anyways have a nice day or go fuck yourself, dealers choice. idc.

Your tone was disrespectful here and in the other discussion, using words like “do you not understand?” and overall condescending tone on top of caps. It came out aggressive. I just started matching your tone when my answer to you was neutral. So sybau.

You want me to use manhwa examples? Okay.

1) Chapter 13. Both Seok and Kwak slept in the same bed naked. Dr. Seok even went into Kwak’s pants and was slapped by his dick and talking about ‘extracting sperm’. Later, when they said they are lovers - the only ‘evidence’ higher ups had was the overheard conversation between them in the elevator. In chapter 30, they literally make out on Kwak’s bed. Even later,

2) Chapter 19. Seok says that Dr.Oh was probably killed because he went against higher-ups wishes. Kwak replies: “That’s a very dangerous statement. You’re lucky I turned it off” (talking about the camera in the car.

3) Chapter 30-31. Seok lies that he was unconscious the whole time he was abducted, but next chapter he goes to Kwak’s room and talks about the information that the Serpant told him. Including Dr.Oh will, recorded right before his death, that Serpant had. Seok even ‘bribes’ Kwak to give him access to files, which should’ve gotten both of them in trouble. Furthermore, Seok, again, tell Kwak how he is unsure about Rainbow City and how everything is weird, which, as Kwak said earlier, a very dangerous statement and ‘is a mark of a rebel’ (direct quote from the chapter). Per your outrage and logic, Seok should’ve been under arrest or had his right revoked long time ago, but nothing happened.

4) Chapter 31. Seok opens the murder file for Dr. Oh and it’s says: “The surveillance could not be recovered”. Even with level 1 access and for a person who is literally investigating this case. Another case of how easy it is to just tempt with Mother database.

5) Chapter 32. Seok remembers a researcher, Dr. Wonho, who was arrested under suspicion of working with rebels. He was interrogated for a week and then they used a PROHIBITED truth serum on him and other researchers (and tortured them too). Seok wasn’t put through it because Dr. Oh stood up for him and said that Seok wouldn’t survive it, which is true. Now what do you think would’ve happened if Kwak wasn’t the one who found out the papers. Dr. Wonho was then executed.

6) Same chapter (32). Seok was brought into interrogation room to talk further about the kidnapping incident. As you brought up, General Lee was suspicious of Seok, so he should’ve kept a close eye on him? But during interrogation, they had no idea what was said in the Kwak’s room. When Seok said that he remembered a voice, Yoo Jeongkyung was surprised and asked ‘didn’t you say you were unconscious?” and Seok replied “I couldn’t remember clearly because of concussion”. Later things escalated, but Jeongkyung asked “what were you doing in Kwak’s room?”. Meaning, they had no access to camera recordings or they just don’t exist if even general can’t access it for investigation. And it was already established how Rainbow City military LOVES to jump people if there is a hint of rebellion in a person.

7) 37. Seok says he developed resistance to the truth serum and Kwak replies: “don’t make it too obvious for the military police”. Then it shows that they were literally under the camera that looks directly at them. Nothing happened.

Then there’s terrorist attack, where, again, it’s obvious Dr. Kim is the main suspect on who handed the kid virus, but they couldn’t find evidence.

I can continue for a long time, giving you examples of Mother not being omnipotent and could be tempered with. Or maybe cameras just don’t have microphones. Either way, there were so fucking many instances and Seok was fine.

And even if higher-ups saw the detention of Seok, Kwak has authority to say that he detained him, interrogated him, found out that he didn’t actually worked with rebels and punished him, so they don’t need to worry about it. Alternatively, he could say ‘I executed him’ and make up evidence. Either way, he wouldn’t let Seok to be in danger, because in MANHWA it was shown many times how he saved his ass or covered for him/turned a blind eye.

About spoilers.

I didn’t say anything huge or something that wasn’t already alluded to in the manhwa.

Serpent? Look at recent chapter and heavy implications when Seok heard the guy’s voice.

Detention and cure? It’s obvious that Kwak won’t do anything to Seok (again, read manhwa and at all of his actions). Cure? That’s literally Seok’s goal. He wants to contact Eden only because he wants to work on cure. He said it multiple times.

Then I just mentioned what exactly Seok thinks about detention, which is not a spoiler. And I also removed/redacted huge spoilers.

All of the shit will happen in just next few chapters. I didn’t spoil you the whole novel or a huge plot twist. Fucking relax. Those are minor spoilers and there’s much more interesting shit happening in the next 9 chapters.

And yes. It’s not crazy to think that Kwak would kill Seok. But only if you weren’t reading the manhwa at all. Kwak already knows that Seok has connections to Eden. Why tf would he freak out and get him killed because of what he found?

Let’s use critical thinking and media analysis. It’s established that Kwak likes Seok and has feeling for him. He wants him to be safe, but knows that Seok is too curious for his own good, so he tries to scare him into stopping digging. He also mentioned that Eden literally experiments on people and their soldiers. Then he finds out that Dr.Oh was indeed killed by First Master for ‘rebel activities’. What Seok is doing is considered rebel activities. So he is worried. He goes to his room to check and sighs with relief when he doesn’t find anything. But when he finds the locked drawer - he is panicking.

His whole reaction is him being scared for Seok and mad that Seok didn’t listen to him. Seok is unreliable narrator when it comes to emotions or reading people/understanding them. Multiple times it’s shown in the manhwa where he doesn’t know why he feels certain way, why Kwak kissed him, why Kwak helps him, etc. He also takes Kwak’s threat at face value. So ofc he wouldn’t understand that Kwak is protecting him.

However, YOU, a reader, who has multiple POVs and full picture, supposed to use your thinking abilities and understand what is happening and why it’s happening. Literally how were you reading the last 60 chapters if you think Kwak was serious about his threat when the whole manhwa it shows his growing affection for Seok and protective he is with people he cares about.

Also Kwak was close to Dr. Oh. He was there when Dr. Oh was grieving and Dr. Oh was the one who brought Kwak into the Rainbow City by helping him enlist in military. Dr. Oh was taking care of him and knew Kwak’s parents/was close to them. Kwak also gave warnings to Dr. Oh that higher ups are watching him. Then Dr. Oh died and Kwak couldn’t protect him.

Now why do you think he is acting this way with a person he actually loves? Right after finding out that Dr. Oh was killed by the higher-ups and Seok is going the same route as him even though Kwak gave him warnings and hints. You really think, after all that development and helping Seok, he just decides to suddenly turn 180 with no reason?

But you are listening to Seok, who was established as a person who has ‘no emotions’ (chapter 13) and was isolated his whole life, keeping people, except his mother and grandma, away. To trust his point of view as the truth and accurate judgement when it involves things he doesn’t know about or understand (he doesn’t know about Dr. Oh, Kwak’s feelings, current politics of Rainbow city, etc). Instead of making your own judgement, as you should, as a reader. Okay.

Thankyou for clarifying I was just about to write this. The whole comment section is going insane stating that Kwak is a ‘traitor’, while he is literally trying to do the best he can to keep him save.

Yes. And his reaction also understandable: he was close to Dr.Oh and he was killed. He found out that Dr.Oh was killed for ‘rebel activities’ and Dr.Seok, who he loves, is also in danger. You can see his relief when he thought Seok stopped doing stuff that can get him killed, but goes into panic when he sees the code.

Dr.Seok doesn’t understand that with Eden gaining more influence, if he gets caught - he won’t just die. He will be tortured and then executed like people before him, but worse. Kwak understands it and that’s why he is terrified in the beginning.

i’m glad i wasn’t the only one that noticed that…

Before a read this ....you want to tell me the Mc got raped and nothing happened to that trash rapist ?

It happens in extras. MC doesn’t get raped, but a dude literally SA’ed: he pushed him into a wall and groped his ass and front. Then ML comes, punches him and the dude runs away. Nothing happens to him. Then MC and ML just talk and MC literally says ‘I’m not bothered by what just happened (referring to the SA)’. Then they solve their issues and fuck in the toilet stall.

So yeah. Stupid fucking scene and what was even the point.

Lol what the hell that's so dumb for use to say that like wtf.....