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(i dont even know if this is gonna work lmao)
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yeah I hope instead of only marking the topic as spoiler they'd have given the feature to mask whatever we write.


nonetheless another beautifully written chapter (i def did not spend the last hour and half frantically trying to refresh the raws site)
my mind's leaning towards thinking chaehui liked nok's mother cause she was kind towards her but then when she got punished it kinda broke that image of her??

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Works :D Maybe 4 are enough even. I crack my mind why a topic with spoiler alert gets the alert deleted after a new update. Once a spoiler -> always a spoiler.

Niiiice Daisy! In the Chaehui's world if you're nice to me I like you, but any wrongdoing from your side will make us archenemies. She's simple. That's why I get more her than Nok^^"
Nevertheless I'm enjoying we see more of him, his character. He's clearly hurt - and Jaeshin really didn't say anything more than what he said already? Just that he regarded him as a fine sword or jewellery, than didn't understand his own feelings, as to why he stared to care what Nok says. And now as he got his true form back, there's only one reason form him staying next to Nok. I didn't miss anything?
/I think I've lost my thought though XD/ so again: he's clearly hurt but calmly stands up to Chaehui, then breaks into tears but hugs Jaeshin and says he loves him - oooh my heart broke ( T﹏T )
(I think Jaeshin's too :D btw do you think we'll see him crying at some point? For now we haven't guessed about their quarrel - Jaeshin won't linger in the vicinity driving ghosts away)

And I feel for you with the refreshing, it happend to me a few times too.

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wait the spoiler alerts doesn't even stay forever??? that's a new discovery to me lmao. well ig it'd still work for popular manhwas where new topics get created frequently cause who'll even bother to look up for old ones but yeah then this is not really a helpful feature at all.
I like that they did not try to give chaehui some great purpose for the way she was. some people are just that flawed in their character that you can't do anything about them. although yeah having being possessed, she did turn the worst version of herself.

The thing about Nok's character that i absolutely love is how he's not easily swayed by a third party but rather prefers forming and coming to his own conclusions. his belief and trust in jaeshin and his love for himself, all of this being evident from his flashbacks that we saw. plus he's observant ( remember how before he invites jae to come to the countryside with him , nok had this entire monologue about their relation in his mind and how even tho he was not a 100% certain about it , jaeshin's feelings never went unnoticed by him — something that jaeshin hadn't himself completely realized ; and this still remains one of my fav part of their dynamic btw ) and similarly in this chapter as well , when we see how jaeshin had been pacing frantically while waiting for nok XD
(btw all of these imo are definitely great characteristics for a ruler to have)
so yeah even tho he must have been deeply hurt that the truth didn't come from jae first , he def never doubted him either. and the look on jaeshin's eyes when he realized nok was crying cause of him :") i could hear jae's heart breaking in pieces through the pixels in my phone :P

now about will we see jae cry?- umm idk (not like i want them to be in such a situation either)
do I want to see jae cry - most prob yes XP

also what does the last 3 box means? I didn't get that part in terms of context which says --
" Weak , imperfect . So that every moment is meaningful to you,

More than anything else."

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Yes! I've always marked my every spoiler topic as a spoiler and since it gets flooded anyway with an update here, I didn't see the marker vanished. What a stupid site XD
Oh yes I agree with everything <3 That's why I've recommend you Mo dao zu shi :)) Chaehui is gay and evil.

Yes, those cute foot steps in the snow<3 Nok's a full character now, will become a wise ruler and raise Juseong as his great successor :) In the first season and a little in the second we didn't get much of him, I guess we're focused on Jaeshin more? I'm so happy the story became fuller in this aspect.

I could feel Jaeshin's heart squeezing :D

I don't mind the ordeal which will make Jaeshin cry, as long as they get their happy ending ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶ I like sad endings too, but just for this story my fingers are crossed for the happy ending.
Just think how much Nok cried through 3 seasons - Jaeshin can cry at least once too :P (yes I want to see it X3)

Hmm I wasn't sure too but since you've asked I gave it more thought ;)
And I deem it's another step in Jaeshin's realising "how things are for humans".
"Weak, imperfect..." - as he has always called "humans this", "humans that", "a mere WEAK human", "can do nothing (without me)". It's quite offending, however now it evolved to just "weak, imperfect" (with a hint of care?) and because of this (literally) "every moment has a meaning to you -> looks like for Jaeshin the reason he approached Nok wasn't important at all. It only mattered he loves him now and stays with him. However he noticed how it has shaken Nok and comes to realisation: "as you're not strong you care for every detail, more than anything else."
I looked at the Chinese ver., it's the same. Vietnamese tend to write in more understanding manner (or MTL from it works better for meXD)
Offtopic: I just recalled how Kyeongjun wanted to force Nok to "see the big picture" and "act for better good."

UPDATE:
The Vietnamese rules!
"weak, imperfect... but every moment with you is more meaningful, more than anything else."
WITH YOU!! of course. We can always count on Vietnamese <3

P.S. Korean is hard XD

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Girl, you're like the queen??? That's scary?
I also wanna cry and the reason is bc I believe I'll never have a love so pure as them ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

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I mean only on this matter XD Def without the torturing arch, so don't be scared - I'm not scary ;)))
She said well: when ppl get what they wanted from you or/and get tired/boring, they'll leave you. Nok's asking to be hurt actually. However I truly admire his SPINE and GUTS.
I waited 2 weeks for some drama and got smth I haven't even thought of. It's still hard for me to imagine that sort of mindset :E
"Pure" wouldn't be the word that comes to my mind tho (▰˘◡˘▰)

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I mean it's not actually nok's fault that he's kind hearted like that :(( tbh thats on the people that'd use him(ﾉ｀Д´)ﾉ

pureeee, umm i wouldn't say but beautiful nonetheless. may everyone find such faithful love

also do you guys think that jaeshin will own come clean about why nok can see ghosts to him??

I know! I was 100% sure that we were entering the breakup arc! But no! I was so pleasantly surprised. I guess too many bl with Fck misunderstanding and miscommunication had ruined me (￣∇￣")

Gosh! I forget the spoilers' dots ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

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I think Jaeshing will be encouraged by Nok's bravery and sincerity, and he'll come clean. I guess he should take advantage of the situation and hit while the iron is hot (〜￣△￣)〜

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Ofc it's the ppl fault for using him, Nok's not to be blamed. Maybe I wrote vaguely ^^" I meant when you're too good/nice/kind there will be scumbags who'll hurt you :<
Hmm I don't know, one time I think he def will tell him, then that it's unlikely. My assumptions rarely come to fruition lately ╮(￣▽￣)╭
So let me share with you all a nice Chinese song which fills my mind these days. I think it fits to the second part of this chapter too: Ma di - Fearless.

Indeed Akane, badly written miscommunications/misunderstandings or when they are dragged, is nightmare#－.－)
Jaeshin might hit but some other hot iron XD (sorry I couldn't stop myself) Actually I deem it'd be better to let Nok calm himself, wait a few days and then shock him again. The nervous system has to regenerate!

SAMEEE
I ran here in case you put up a topic lmao .

I did not even realized I was holding my breath the entire time. the panels were so eye captivating and powerful.

also yeah even I had a hunch that chaehui could have been sick in the head before she got possessed. her resentment must be too strong for the ghost to latch onto her . atleast I wont have to feel remorse for her in the future

I ran too, thinkig maybe someone else has already put it and had more than me to say XD

My heart was thumping throughout this chapter! And Chaehui's first appearance scared the shit out me.

On one hand I'm recalling our wild guesses WHY the queen needs Nok's face. Now that we know there's no dark twisted magic in it, then maybe some regret appears? But on the other hand, it fits the plot very well and I like it when in the stories the evilness doesn't come from anything grand. That it's just a spark which makes the worst out of a certain person. Do you know Mo Dao Zu Shi? There are two such examples of it.

MXTX mention?!! okay ive been meaning to check out her other works for the longest time since I'm a huge tgcf enthusiast.

what would you suggest me , should I watch the series or read the novel (incase there is good online translation for it) ?

I'm a huge fan of The Grandmaster of demonic cultivation - it's so well planned story. I have one regret about the author though, but I don't want to spoil ;)
I have yet to read the official translation, so I can't tell about it - I've only read it's not so good? But who knows.
I def advise to read the novel first. They're BUNCH of titles, curtesy names, names, sects names..... I've tried the drama first - dropped at the beginning bc I didn't understand anythingXD then the novel - it sorted things out. Then anime (always forget what's the name of Chinese anime? donghua?) - and for now I've rewatched it 2 or 3 times - and lastly the drama - this time it all made sense ^__^

The cliffhanger is killing me! Jaeshin looks quite wounded. Will he be able to gather some strength for a last attack on the evil queen? I'm thinking there may be another intervention from someone to help them. Have we reached the season finale yet?

alright let me see if I can find the translation to mdzs somewhere. ive been going through a bad readers block since a couple years it sucks.

I wonder who can intervene in this situation. hoping we may see more of yeom although I doubt she's that powerful to manage something . also I'm quite confused about are we up for season's finale or series? donwe know if there'll be s4 as well? (although I thought it may have read about the creator's mentioning it somewhere but I'm not longer sure)

I've read Exiled Rebels Scanlations. I think it's good but I can't compare with the original (ofc;D) and beining not native English speaker it's hard for me to rate the quality. However nothing rose my suspicious. You can write me if you'll have a problem with finding it;)

Now I'm sure there won't be season 4;__; I wish I'm mistaken though.
I predict 3-4 chapters and the end. Maybe we'll get a special episode too.

Deedee, all those talks that Jaeshin will protect Nok and to never leave his side, and now what? As soon as he entered the queen's quarters he's starting to rot from the inside, then got himself pierced by some dark energy... Maybe his brothers will come to the rescue?;) A wild idea... I fear Jaeshin might shield Nok and (kinda) die. Yeom can't help bc she's weak and can't leave prince's quarters.

Aren't we like the three ghosts lingering here, waiting for the next Thursday?(〜￣△￣)〜

You can find the official translation of it through seven seas (who also licensed tgcf and scum villain, mxtx two other works). its a great story

Oh no, we need season four! I don't wanna to end!

OK wait now that chp 86 has updated , im confused if this is before the queen got possessed or after? cause she looks way too young in 86 as compared to 91

I'm positive it was before she was possessed because I saw in the raws that she met the dark spirit right after Nok's mother punished her for bullying the young maid, when she was a child, if I'm not wrong...

I've assumed Daisy knows about the published versions ;D I've read when there's only unofficial one of Mo dao zu shi, though. Later when the books were out I've read opinions dissing this translation (from ppl claiming they've read the Chinese original), but I dunno.

However scum villain was awful, horrible. I absolutely don't recommend it, actually dissuade from reading it.

I agree with akane. First they've met as small children, when Chaehui was relishing she can see ghosts - others not, and ppl's fear bc of that. As well as power she can get from it. But she wasn't in cahoots with the great evil. I think she killed him a few years later also on her own. Massacring Yeom's family should also be done solo by Chaehui...

What do you think: the only thing Chaehui wanted the most, but even the great evil couldn't get her, was resurrecting Nok's mother to torment her? But wasn't she the one who killed her?

HAHA i loved scum villain but yeah everybody has different opinions. The official TL was criticized, but the one by exiled rebels wasn't that good either, so I still think its better to stick with the official TL if anybody plans to read mdzs

oh yeah thanks a bunch! I was aware of the official translation by SS, but was a bit hesitant to spend money upfront since I'm not sure how long it might take me to finish even one volume due to my reader’s slump

okay now I get yall. I kind of overlooked the fact that she killed the kid a few years after they met. I went back to check chap86 and yeah they do look a bit more grown towards the part where she killed him. ( that was my main concern cause i was thinking she killed him soon-ish after they met and that'd have made her even more of an unhinged psychopath)

I guess something like that? I'll have to re-read the initial chapters again but wasn't nok'@s mother's death because they found out about the things( i don't remember what they were called) in his room and they sentenced her? ig in chaehui's books, its not considered much of tormenting. and since she started resenting the previous queen after the punishment incident , maybe she wanted her to suffer even more ?

Yeah, different taste :)
Actually the scum villain was the only one from the trio which I've read full the official translationXD As for Mo dao I'm planning to (re)read - just waited some time after first reading :) In the end it might be that someparts were better in exiles rebels and others in the official.

Yes, it was bc of the talismans that protected Nok. I've thought all the time it's Chaehui's doing to reveal them. But if so wouldn't she know it could lead to the queen's death? Her plan was to send the queen into exile and the torment her there?

the queen really is one of the best villains ive come across in manhwas recently. her blood covered panel looked so hot!!

ngl would have loved if kj would have suffered a slow death tho

Was that Nok's father standing in front of the queen? Did he finally saw who she was from the beginning? What did she say to him after she killed KJ? Or was it KJ's father? I'm confused. All the old dudes look the same xD

Noo, it's doseungji - her brother (or I'm not sure if we know their exact relation, could be a cousin) KJ went to him for help and to tell Nok knows now everything. I believe KJ couldn't have entered the queen's house on his own.
I'm going to go through that dialogue and the one between Jaeshin and Nok in detail so have some patience with me;D It was smth about eating flesh and how it works. Other than that doseungji begged for his life, then she tells him to bring her son if he wants to live. In person.

Easier to write straight than describe, so:
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Queen(or the evill possessing her, 'cause they're the black bubbles):
I tried not to eat dirty human bodies as much as possible...
But now after eating it, I guess I can live awhile.
Just as I've thought, this kind of body is not enough... I need more. Dirtier, more odious...
Bring the Grand Prince.
I need to take that body, which received all kinds of sordid/filthy misfortunes.
Even If I masticate your nauseating entrails a hundred times, they can't be compared to that filthy one.
If you don't want to die, bring him with your own hands.
Right now-!!!

tbc.

OMG! It's so creepy xD Thanks for the translation. I guess Nok and Jaeshin will arrive right on time to save the young prince. The end of the season is near...

You're welcome :) Yeah, and I love it when it's creepy :D I hope daegun will be safe. I bet Nok will rush to save him, so Jaeshin will have to interneve :3 So many great moments before us. But now the end seems to be nearer... I don't want to...( T﹏T )

The last part. Jaeshin: "there's nontrivial murderous aura oozing from the queen's quarters. Worse than usual." He's aware someone got killed, but doesn't know who. As well as that daegun's life time is getting shorter rapidly, so they have to hurry up. If the kid dies, "the things will become more difficult". Also his inner thoughts: "It seems Han Chaehui is commiting every possible atrocity to save her life. But it's not much of use."

Now I noticed the ghost's are gathering probably in the daegun's quarters - I was looking for the hanja in the last panel, but couldn't find them. I'm sure about "the gate" thoughXD The one in the middle looks similar (but mirrored!) to 賢xian: honorific for younger generation. Jaeshin commented someone could think there will be a feast, the ghost's are swarming like a pack of dogs looking for smth to eat.
And then he reminds Nok to stick to him no matter what happens. :3

I wonder how nok will react after he finds out about kj cause however shitty the person he was still his childhood friend. jaeshin didn't tell him about someone dying yet .
I don't want this to end (T＿T)

I'm living for nok in his crown prince element. he's stealing all my attention in these recent chapters. and his dressing sense ? that hanbok he wore in his last panels oh god lord.

I wonder it as well. I was so sure kyeonjung's gonna blurt out about nok to his father. I wonder why he didn't tho. also do you think there's a chance of the queen being the one responsible for his death? but why? because their plan didn't work? and my major concern being , if it's actually her , will she use his ghost to torment nok :( . although I'm not sure if that'll be possible or not

Yeah! I've wondered if he borrowed it from Jaeshin:D Bc he had a very similar one once.

The only reason could be that he was too ashamed and too disgusted to tell it to his father? Or it's not the he has the evidence...
Sure thing it's her. Kyeongjun knows that she's plotting against the crown prince now and about that cursed brush. Even if without the details, since Nok has it, it's a proof of using black magic by the queen.
And his only use was either to help kill Nok or wipe his whole family for treason and prevent them from being on the crown prince's side in the future. Kyeongjun's father wasn't on the list of queen's helpers, so she could've wanted to punish him and get rid of him.

Great point with making Kyeongjun evil ghost! But is his hatered strong enough? I'm not convinced. And Jaeshin would gladly pulverised him on the spot ^_~

nah you're right. his ghost probably won't be having much effect on nok. atleast not anymore. well I'm sat for jaeshin blowing hi brains out tbh. or even better yet , maybe he ends up going to the empress or doing something else stupid and nok finally charges him to treason.

also about the kid ghost, is it that his remnants were divided and given to the guy with burn on his face and the rest will be used on the bitch? is that how it is cause i don't think i understood that part completely.

Hmm, they don't mention dividing the remnants. Maybe after returning the curse they're still there and can be buried for example?
What I don't get is the point of returning them to Seo-eung. He digged it out, Jaeshin gave them to the kid (I've forgotten his name :O) and then he's touched by that and accepts Chaehui's fate (and his own) so returns them to Jaeshin to make the curse. But his last request is to give them back to Seo-eung (probably afterward)? Like a keepsake? What are they? Bones and ashes most likely.
I'm also not sure about this part but the kid's thanking for Seo-eung's longing for him and remembering him. He's the one who's sorry and he hopes, from now on, Seo-eung will keep living remembering holding his hand and kindness (given to the kid).

Kyeongjun dying so soon doesn't really makes sense. He had such an influence on Nok in S1 and now he's gone just like that. He turned evil quite fast and then he died in his first attempt to get to Nok xD His character had more potential than that. I would have liked seeing more jealousy from Jaeshin because of him. Now the plot will be ultimately centered around the queen herself. And there's also this other part of the plot with the old man who lost his son because of Jeashin. He's looking for revenge as well. He'll come bothering us near the end for sure

well we certainly haven't seen the last of kyeongjun. I hope we atleast have 2-3 chapters or more of the backstory of how he ended up dead.

wait did the old guy from the initial chapters show up recently?? I really do wonder what he can do for revenge lmao.
but since we seem to be reaching the climax soon , do you guys think we're getting a season finale or series? cause the creators did say we'll have atleast 100 chapters and we're just round the corner. [ helpp now that's ive typed the last part , I feel like we may as well be ending the season with kyj's death and then there's next season could very well just before centered on queen[

Well Kyeonjun had it coming, he was always just a pawn to the queen(she dosen't care for anyone) to harm and spy the prince, if wasn't of use she'll kill him, even more if the prince knows he's a traitor.
Also he is a proud, arrogant man, and homophobic. In S1 we could see it, he wasn't "nice" or "kind" with the people around him, as the prince's friend he was entitle to be rude and arrogant, also his offer to marry his sister was driven to position himself higer.
But i also hope we can get 1 or 2 more chapters with him

I want to believe the authors will show us him dying in the next chapter (⊙ ω ⊙ ) I bet they know about our hatred towards this person ;)
I noticed, while he talked with his father, he was shocked the brush had a curse and was to cause real harm. He said he only wanted to gain Nok's favour with a rare gift.
Maybe he ended up this quickly bc he was soooo much blinded and from the beginning of s3 he started to be guided by emotions only. While previously he planned everything carefully.

I also was thinking recently about that man with spots on his face. He showed like 20 chapters ago for a panel and then nothing again.

As for the length hmm could it end within <10 chapters? Spring indicates the End and seasons in Gwiyagok match seasons in Korea (more or less). Thus while the spring is around the corner there so... There's not much time left for a few months hiatus;__; Which means it's the last season but I (can only) hope for 20 (30?:333) more chapters.
Even if there will be like 120 of them at the very most - it's not that much don't you think? But when I recall it... so many memories, emotions, eh~
Daisy, you're right as hell, ch 89 was perfect for ending the season and leaving us hanging from a cliff for months ;)

I can see some event(?) "Primavera luminosa from the Ghost's Nocturne". You know what's that? Looks like it's on insta and for Nok's birthday tomorrow.

unfortunately I haven't come across anything regarding nok's birthday event on insta until now :( now I'm getting curious

although I could see some onsite events on X which caught my eyes. a cup sleeve event and exhibition named "seasons of nok" in Tokyo (god i wish i was there) and another one was project red plum blossoms which ig were insta ads.

guys did you see the illustration CRJ posted for our nok's birthday!??? HE LOOKS MAGNIFICENT

YESSS!!! (thanks to you<3) Magnificent and so adult/grown-up ^___^
I hoped she has more pictures on her account though :<

I've forgotten to ask you Daisy, do you perhaps possess a file of this picture when both of them are sleeping in white sheets? I guess it was only printed and sold as postcards but maybe it is somewhere out there...

are you maybe talking about the modern art postcard which is ig from last year some event ? if so, then yes i did find it from somewhere . but it has light watermark over it and sadly the creators' signature was all cleaned :(

wait what exactly did he mean by the "dirty feelings" part? cause the way I interpret is something like he's acknowledging it that he was in love with kang when they were kids but to an outsider it'd feel disgusting ?? welp thats what my thought process said. also where can I check their bios

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It was after Nok ".. so you've loved him" and Seo-eung "I don't care if you call it filthy" "even if you say loving another man is a sin, I'm willing to accept it".
Just this converstation took a wrong turn in that moment imo^^'' I don't think anyone could feel disgusted by what was said prior, how he cared for Kang and wanted to help him and make him happy. But sadly noticed Kang likes Chaehui...
Bios are in the creator's notes after the first special episode. When the s1 ended :) Just before season 2.

ohh I get what you mean now. well we def know our characters won't but ig had there be some other person like the so called childhood friend, then ig what seoeung said would make sense. ig he's too devasted to actually keep mind of that ? idk.

now I wonder if and how will the author give closure to kang's story cause i do wish seoeung would be able to talk to him once atleast. can't even imagine the guilt he'd be feeling for ever introducing them.
thankuu imma go re read both the notes super soon!!

Wasn't Ha Seo-eung responsible for keeping and starving those children though?:O I can't bring myself to sympathise with him.

Hmm wouldn't Kang be angry for harming Chaehui? So Seo-eung would suffer doubly, one from the guilt of bringing cruel death to Kang and second from his anger. I just hope Kang wouldn't try to stop them :O

Btw. You know we are on hiatus next week, right? ┗( T﹏T )┛

I think Ha Seo-eung not only was responsible for starving the children but he was also involved for most of the queen's crimes. Remember the starving ghost and his pregnant wife? He had a role there too since his name was mentioned at some point. He needs closure and then go roast in hell.

I also agree with you about feeling uneasy at some point during this chapter. The author could've at least make them teenagers which may explain the love feelings and the blushing but they were literally kids :// Doesn't really make sense imo... although I do recall falling for my classmate when I was 7yo and being completely paralyzed by the simple thought of talking to him lol Maybe it's not that uncommon after all xD

Huge edit: I've just found out the scans I saw previously was missing a few panels... Not a trustworthy source, goddammit...

Thus it looks like he didn't even know the queen makes maehyung? And looking for Jongdal's name I've found the moment when he noticed the queen "he gathered the children" and she dismisses him. Therefore he might not know they were locked. On the other hand he looks rather insular so I can believe he didn't bother thinking WHY the queen needs small children.

*high five* Deedee. Even "dating" can happen at such age now, but ofc it's more like playing or role playingXD
Seo-eung was 2 years older and later even got engaged so I assume he might've been 12 when Kang died. And knowing at that times children were pushed to mature quickly it's believable his feelings were slightly heavier, more serious even, but still pure (!).
That's why making it sound illicit and filthy seems so off.

And Dongnim keeps trying to fuck other people as revenge for Jeongyeom killing his parents.

I kind of missed the first time around, but him wearing his mom's bloody jewelry hairpin while he tried to revenge fuck the first time was a clear fuck you to Jeongyeom.

Dongim probably enjoyed being the future head of household and looking down on Jeongyeom. He's been training his whole life for that.

Oh shoot, I think I just took longer to say what you just said.

Yep, and his revenge fuck scheme doesn't subside over the years. The first one after the funeral -> resulted in him getting locked; and after 5 years he still bites a servant to shatter Jeongyeom.

Dongim was sitting and looking and that hairpin for some time, do you think he was grieving? Actually I don't really get why did he wear it for revenge fuck:/ It's not really that Jeongyeom holds any feelings toward that object or its previous owner...

I assumed it was just a visual taunt of look at the evidence of what I just found. This is why I'm punishing you.

Basically to be more dramatic I thinkm

Vaild.

Nok in winter outfits is the cutest thing! His little boots! Cuteness overload lol I love how he's getting more confident and even Jaeshin seems to follow along. I hope they get the informations they're looking for out of that criminal. Also do you know why his half-brother looked so terrified? oO

Yes the boots :D And in winter even Jaeshin wears some shoes;)
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Cuteness<3 but he was the adult in this chapter ;3 Jaeshin: if not for the reverse curse I'd have killed him on the spot (poor Agwi/Kang) But Nok? "I think I can understand him(...) he was small child at that time too". It seems Nok by nature can empathise with others or at least always try to. He immediately noticed frightened daegun (half-brother's title) and acts accordingly.

As for why was he so scared? I guess he's always in such state... Every time we see him he gets frightened after meeting bitch-queen. So maybe he just came out of her den?
Another thing comes to my mind: we just have learned his "role". The bitch-queen has made him human-talisman to ward evil off, maybe he sees all those ghost's or even gets haunted by them as Nok was?

Ha Seo-eung first mentioned was in ch 29 - I just thought of checking that moment at the tavern and bingo :D
So he's "from the family of the royal secretary's in-laws" (bitch-queen's brother) and he distributed letters/posters which slandered the crown prince to young boys.

Thanks for the informations. I really thought the bitch queen loved her son in S1. We've seen her genuinely taking care of him when he was sick and weak. In this season, her full evil nature is exposed. It's terrible if she uses her own son as a talisman. That poor kid looks on the verge of dying every time we see him. I am sure Nok will save him as you said above :)) And yeah, Nok's leadership attributes are a delight to watch. Jaeshin must be secretly proud hihi

YW :)
Btw have you seen Desire/Lust has an official translation? I was so late to notice itXD

Nope I haven't! I am gonna check it out. The art is gorgeous but the storyline is not really my cup of tea ://

I get what you mean. For most of the time I wasn't sure what it is about^^'' We just got too few details, of the plot ofc ;D Summary from Moonflowergem was very helpful though, and after rereading a few times I kinda sorted it out. It's dark and twisted, nothing one would read comfortably.

waaah I finally got to read the new chapter. guys guys I feel like it's a foreshadowing that nok will finally find out about how he can see ghosts cause of jaeshin. atleast in a few chapters im guessing ?? do we know exactly when the bitch got possessed cause I've been thinking that if it has been since she was a child , then that would explain her derange behavior since then. or maybe she was always evil so the ghost latched onto her.

and about nok in winter clothes. DO you guys remember the scene where they encounter the burnt face man and there's a full length panel of nok. he was looking so pocket sized . my cutieee >_<

does it give more clarity on the story than the other translation? ig I'll read it then someday when I'll have the mental stability to handle that story again. it gets overwhelming reading it all at once

I missed you yesterday, Daisy<3
My wild mind even thought that the great evil somehow brought Nok to the afterworld, as it wants Nok's soul. About Jaeshin's involvement I feel like only Jaeshin can tell him, and he won't. Even if Nok will learn about it, he won't care that much. However imo it's more dangerous for him to know WHY Jaeshin approached him, that he deliberately wanted to win his heart. I kinda wait for this moment, to be honest.
Recently I was mulling over the bitch's situation. What are her own actions and what are the evil's, because, esp when she's mad, the evil seems to speak through her. We don't know much, just that she was able to see ghosts from very young age. And actually now we know she was gathering hmm soul's she could use later? Did she just find it "fun", or was it that great evil which egged her? The exact moment of their encounter is unknown. For sure she could see evil spirits and they lingered around her from when she was a child - 8 ep, Yeom's story.

The one with a bigger silhouette? Pocket sized - well said <3 Maybe it's the winter hat which increases cuteness? :3 *trying to imagine Jaeshin wearing it...*

Hmm if you read Moonflowergem translation and their summary at the end I don't think the official one clarifies more. It's just every time I read it I notice smth else. Like with The Little Prince? ;D Not my fav but I often heard/read ppl saying how they love the book and every time they read it they discover various things.
-> I guess every sane person would be left speechless after seeing my comparision ;D
I regret we weren't given many details in the story and that Jeongyeom looks like a brainless underdeveloped meathead ︶︿︶

i CANNOT bear to think of the day when nok will find out about jaeshin's initial plan. I don't think I'll be able to handle anymore angst in regards to their relationship. hopefully they'd communicate well when the time comes.

(my another nightmare atm is the feeling i get about us approaching a potential season finale in a few weeks)
also ive thought about it too. as if , the grim reapers (hopefully thats who they are) really did mistakenly took nok or was there something else at play.
also although she's despicable, i cannot help but be in awe of how well the queen's character has been written at being a complete evil bitch. she's so fun to analyze like you'd feel there's so many layers to that character but also at the same time she could actually turn out to be just plain deranged without any explanation but it'd still make sense.

don't give me ideas but i hope we'll see more of them in winter clothing in the coming chaps. also id sacrifice whatever if it'd get us their modern au winter outfit looks from the artist or smth. it's def the hats !! and also the sleeves cover his hands entirely making him look like a fluffy bundle.

I haven't thought at all about Nok discovering Jeashin's plan to win a human heart! That will definitely upset him and it could be a reason for a short break between them. I still can't imagine Jaeshin taking his distance. He's way too obsessed and unreasonable to give some space to Nok. We'll see.

Daisy, I don't remember which chapter exactly but Jeashin told Nok that the bitch queen attracts the worst demons because she is cruel and evil in the first place. So she's not a victim by any mean I guess ://

Oh yeah the most I fear end of the season or end of the story ┗( T﹏T )┛

I think it's just there's no badly written character here. (*cough* don't mention that part where Nok went quite fast to loving his rapist *cough* and making it slower wouldn't be that helpful...)

Deedee, I think bitch-queen might tell this to Nok. However Jaeshin won't ever distance himself from him. Remember when he lately said "there's no use in hating me again", "even if you'll regret giving your heart to me, I'm yours"? So I believe even if Nok's hurt from knowing the truth and say "go away", Jaeshin will still linger in the vicinity.
I agree Chaehui is not a victim. However she still is getting used by that evil and at least some punishment awaits her.

wait who's kyeongjun? the childhood friend? (im so bad with names of useless characters)
also I'm starting to think the bitch queen is just a full on psychopath ever since she was a kid.my heart goes out to the kid ghost

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Yes, it's the fake childhood companion, whom we hate to the core ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I wonder too, what's her natural "state of mind" and what's triggered by the great evil.

Poor, cute child, but Houston we have a problem - agwi doesn't want to take revenge. [Jaeshin was so hot on the panel when he asked that (=・ω・=)]
Without his help they can't reverse the curse.
And don't you think Nok looked more mature this time?

there was something really heartwrenching about that. cause even though he ended up losing his life cause of her, he refused to take revenge. I wonder if jaeshin will be able to persuade him tho.
(althought somewhere deep down in my gut I have a feeling he won't be able to/or want to after a trying a certain while cause of the whole "wanting to not get the person you love being hurt" thing.and since jaeshin feels the same for nok he'll just leave agwi be??
also for the fact i don't really feel the bitch would go down this easily and fast so.. you get the point)


also yes I've been loving how nok has been looking more mature as the chapters progress . there's just something about the character that seems to be getting more authoritative with time idk. not that he wasn't before , but I've been getting some of that vibes from him ( or maybe it's just my wishful thinking. but id sacrifice anything in my hands to see him use his power against the fake ass friend and queen)

ngl id let nok abuse his authority just this once against them. i support his rights and most importantly his wrongs

Thanks dear Vae for the now recurrent -spoilers- post :)) It's a delight to come in here discuss the latest release each time. I honestly wasn't expecting the child ghost's story to be dealt with so fast. It felt kinda rushed but then the author surprised us with that unexpected turn of events. I don't know how Jaeshin can convince the child to get revenge. I guess he won't manage to cuz the queen's story is not ending anytime soon :///

And yes, Nok looked more mature this chapter. Something to do with the hair maybe? I like it better this way

Daisy, yes! "authority" that's the word! I'd add "commanding" too ;] I don't think Nok would have to abuse his power, it'll be enough for him to be righful and merciless.
Hm, you think Jaeshin can understand it? I doubt so very much XD Actually that part of not wanting revenge could've only fit to a naive and pure child. It's very well planned by the authors.
Jaeshin could try to convince agwi (or Kang, we should say) the queen is possessed and needs help, only he can do it by helping to kill her - however not very convincing the plot's progression.

Deedee, I also can't wait for our weekly (debating) spoiler club meeting :D
And don't make such face - the queen's death means the end of Gwiyagok :(
I think this time they won't make the reverse curse on time.

I was rereading a little last night and a few chapters ago we wondered why she sent the ghost to kill Nok. At some point (ch77) she said smth like "I don't care about the soul, I only care about the vessel". So the child's ghost which recently almost killed Nok, had to "suck out his soul" and give it to the great evil, the body is the queen's. That's the deal. But why is she waiting so long finish her plan? Did she want Nok to be more grown-up?
Also the queen confirmed, once the third curse backfires, she's done.

I think it's the face. Just sometimes C.R Jade draws it a little differently. That's why I wine when Nok looks more childish than in the beginning XD And partially his loose hair <3

Ha Seo Ung, the burned face.
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What do we know about the guy? He appears more often lately. I think we should remember his name.
A summary from me: he's the queen's lackey from the very old times. In ch86 young Chaehui said "Seo Ung was right" when she approached Kang (Agwi). So he's helping with finding possible victims, and making them evil ghosts.
He showed up in Jeong Dal's house right before his "disappearance", by the well when Kang was killed. He gathered and locked (I guess managed the whole case) those 9 children, who were starved and made to kill each other. Maybe he's the one who killed the last one in such brutal way...
Am I missing anything? Was there any fire mentioned? Have wee seen him in the 1st or 2nd season?

I desperately need to re-read the last few chapters again cause I've no recollection of that man tbh. hope I get the time for that soon.
let's see what our jaeshin is gonna do things are not looking easy for our boy (≧ヘ≦　)

also DeeDee is so right for this I rush back here every time a new chapter is supposed to drop looking for Vae's spoiler topic

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Guys, I appreciated your discussion so much! I didn't know you do this every chap! I'll pay more attention from now on!

You're very welcomed :) Let's share our opinions, the more the merrier.
The new Korean chapter is published every Thursday (with 1 week hiatus every 5 weeks), that's when we gather here. And on Saturday's English update we get flooded with new topics ;)