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They should really look for a novel to adapt from or look for a new writer

They really do.

Waiting for the next chapter and waiting for this thread to reach 9th page again

Well might as well go kill yourself now cos he WILL go back to that man. Oh and fuck you too!

LMAO THIS REPLY IS SENDING MEEEE

BEST NOT WHEN WE ONLY HAD LIKE 4 CHAPTERS OF A CHASING ARC, IT SHOULD BE LONGER

But anyway, Ima let you support someone who rapes a person over and over again.

Just because he found him doesnt mean its over .

Triple fuck you!

Nobody said that girl

Quad fuck you!

Y’all will call anything rape, you expect Doc Dan to be cheering from the rooftops when he’s having sex to pay off debt. No. That being said, Dan is a grown ass consenting adult that was very aware of what he was getting himself into, a transactional relationship. Of course, eventually that line was muddled by both sides developing feelings for the other, the theme in all previous works this author has published. I’m not excusing Jaekhyung’s behavior, I’m only stating that Dan is not a hostage to that relationship, he has free will to up and leave if he so pleases, as it should be. To add to that this is a work of fiction… if it concerns you that much, respectfully, turn your screen off and get a life, or go elsewhere. There are plenty of other spaces on the internet that won’t trigger you! (^ ω ^)

I'm not staying that he's a hostage. I agree, he is a grown man and he can get up and try to escape but again, Jaekyung is a possessive guy. This guy literally was going out and saying "Kim Dan is mine". Also, if someone has that much authority over than you then it would take some time for you to actually leave. Jaekyung also exploited Dan to Heesung at chapter 34 or 35.

I don't know if I worded it wrong but what I mean is that this plot is mostly focusing on the sexual stuff because again, it's a smut. I'm pissed off that they met even after like a few chapters, then it'll probably transition back to them having sex. I'm aware it's fiction, I have freedom of expressing my opinion. Easy ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I am also aware he made a contract soon after like he did all that sexual assault shit.

(At chapter 4 hunsヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~)

i fs agree with u i feel like the other commenters are just being ignorant towards jaekyung’s actions and are trying to dismiss them

Girl where is the sexual assault?? Coming from someone that has experienced it, I would never diminish it, like some mangas specifically bls are very rapey and that is a no go, even in fiction that’s just like… why? Yk. I just genuinely don’t see it here, it’s teetering on dub con but I wouldn’t say non con. Also sorry if you’re not a girl, I don’t say that in a gender specific way, but if it bothers you please do let me know, I’ll edit it out. I do agree with you on that one chapter, low key it was a jump scare, I was like oh! I don’t care that you have an opinion, I just think it’s really weird to label people as rapist supporters when this is very clearly not non con and also is fiction. Outside of someone’s reading taste, you don’t know the person themselves so making assumptions like that is very far out.

no worries i am a girl. but im not sure what to tell you if you dont see where the sexual assault it. (also, sorry you had to experience that.) what happened between dan and jaekyung the first few chapters was very much rape, no matter how much anyone tries to deny it. going more into that, it was sexual coercion which later led to rape. even though kim dan DID have several opportunities to back out but chose not to, when he finally came to a decision and wanted out, jaekyung didn’t respect his “no” and even threatened dan. not sure if you remember this but prior to that scene, dan saw jaekyung slam his previous sex partner’s face against a wall. he was obviously terrified of jaekyung and so he couldn’t really retaliate against him.

also i didnt mean to label either of you rapist supporters, i simply think it’s insensitive to say kim dan wasn’t raped even though he was.

Lmao they gonna end up together wether like it or not ....ohh fk you too lol

Your ignorant for forgetting or don't want to comprehend that Dan agreed to all of this lmao no one gonna do charity wake up

Lmao I only see you and all the delusional making excuses to make jk look more bad and a rapist ? Girl he is 29 years old he had the choice to NOT accept it but he did end of story trying making excuses won't change a thing xd

im not gonna argue w a weirdo like u who clearly lacks reading comprehension

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not only do you lack reading comprehension but you dont know how to make a valid point.. get over urself and hop off jk dick already lolol

Then don't girl, nobody is forcing you lmao ╮(￣▽￣)╭

OMG, WRONG PERSON

not only do you lack reading comprehension but you also dont know how to make a valid point.. get over urself and hop off jk dick lolol make sure to zip it up once ur done

this does not mean that he WASN'T ABUSED DURING SEX! Stop trying to dismiss the amount of times he got abused by him.

You lack reading skills. LITERALLY EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THEIR GOING TO GET TOGETHER

not only do u lack reading comprehension but u also cant make a valid point get over urself and hop off jk’s dck lolol

You're*

We are not only focusing that he signed a contract. you can't dismiss that he got fucking abused.

you dont even know how to make a valid point what.. get over urself and hop off jk’s d lolol

I can agree with your last points but it just being "fiction" does not make anything right. I'm not saying that this is the worst shit I've ever read because there is worse (Roses and champagne for example) and I'm still here, reading it just like other viewers. I'm not hating on the story completely. I'm really confused why people got mad at my comment when it's my opinion and it literally says SMUT as one of the tags.

woah mb couldnt tell if my comments were getting through

uhh okay?? im so confused by this what

Lmao tell that to yourself just because you choose to ignore that doesn't change the fact anyways stay delusional :*

Yes, pls, leave us alone ape. Bye.

Xddd

This Skiki kid blocked me so I can't reply him lmao anyways your clearly a kid who can't argue or even write so obviously you don't have comprehension skills ...this isn't for you so tip reading in general cause your delusional xd

I saw all your comments are about Jinx yukkk now I know with what npc I waste my time lmao

??? xd Learn to read that's all im gonna say and get off his dck cause your reading something you don't like lmao

Ma'am you're so brave. How to be you?ヾ(☆▽☆). I read you profile and I really like it

WRONG COMMENT GIRL

I didn't mean to reply to you.

Please* is the correct term by the way.

Bro does not make any sense while you are literally glazing, fucking, sucking, humping, grunting, moaning, shaking, this man. The person you were just talking to wasn't riding anything but you definitely are.

Then what are you saying ? Arent you complaining that he find him way too soon like the redemption arc is finished ? ╮(￣▽￣)╭

What bl doesnt have smut ? Bfr right now

Oh you prefer :
Yes, leave us alone, ape. Bye.

@Yourmochi Blocked u months ago, I don't even remember who u are. But surely argued about how hard you hated Jjk. But what now you like the story?

Hot damn this thread is entertaining

oh shit i wish i could start a lil' fight rn but im busy ,fuck T_T

Yup

Also you are the one that replied to my comment first. Therefore, shoo, parasite.

Also I have a rule : I only block ppl when they block me 1st. So hope u remember why you blocked me 1st.

XDDDDD killing me

Like why yall tryna clock my tea?? LMAO.this is like the 4TH person I argued with??

Lost in the clouds.

I cackled

I'm saying that I wish it was a bit longer for Jaekyung to find him. That take just reminded me of BJ Alex

"Avengers, Assemble!" Ahh

What did u expect with a topic like that? You think this manhua doesn't have fans?

Yeah but I'll be honest with you if that lasted 1 more chapter for Jjk to find Dan, I would have gone insane

I get that, but I have a feeling that their (Mingwa) is gonna find someway to slip sex into there somehow. There is many BJ Alex references slipped into here.

Manwha* Also, you're telling me that they would get mad because of me calling this a smut even though it has the tag on the cover? Adding into that, you can be a fan of this but not like Jaekyung and his fans, it's simple. （￣へ￣）

y’all going to war in the comments don’t look at my comment history under Willful Negligence, whenever I see the ML do anything I crash out so I have no energy for Jinx

O PRESSED READ MORE ON THIS AND THERES MORE REPLIES TO THIS THAN THE FUCKING CHAPTERS. FUCK ALL OF YOU

LMAOO

FUK U TOO (≡^∇^≡)/ ALLEEEEZ ✧･ﾟ: *✧･ﾟ:*

I re-read it to jog my memory in case I was missing your point, during the first scene, J (somehow) does not realize Dan is a virgin and even believes Dan is well-experienced and so he doesn’t feel the need to ease into it, it’s bazar that he didn’t realize as all the signs were there but it seems that was the author’s intent, allegedly. As for the threats, they were made on the baseless assumption that Dan was messing with him, trying to provoke him, from the beginning, Jaekhyung is introduced as being highly defensive and rash, that being said, throughout the scene he verbalizes his intentions beforehand and says Dan should leave if not ok with the terms. Also there are frames where Dan indirectly expresses pleasure as “tingling” inside and questions how it is possible for him to feel pleasure through penetration. Of course there is nuance to it but my point is Jinx is dubious consent, which understandably is not for everyone and that’s valid.

THIS THREAD

Dan definitely says no/stop/wait throughout that scene though…and just because someone feels physical pleasure during their assault doesn’t actually mean they’re actually enjoying it. On god bro??

i said wahhh????

Like 99% of the yaoi I read, uke (wanting or not wanting to have sx) start by crying or betting for seme to stop, at this point (for me personally) it doesn't mean anything -:- ... with Jinx, Dan was afraid to do perverted stuff (recalling the creepy doctor), afraid coz it was his 1st time too. Yes, he said no/stop/wait because he wasn't ready/mentally prepared, he wanted him to stop coz it hurt too, but in all this shit, he gave his consent, he stayed on that bed, never tried to escape... First experience hurt him, as and when he started to feel pleasure but he stills complain all because he's embarrassed. There's consent, it's clear -_- I don't why ppl still doubt about it. Dan asked him to use condoms. He asked him to prevent him before doing it so he can mentally prepare himself.


Question : do you think he didn't enjoy it when Jjk were drunk?

begging*

was*

PREACH

That question is the worst out of all the questions you could have asked. Dan asked him to use condoms and Jaekyung clearly said no because it fit HIS own pleasure, not Dan's. The only reason why he enjoyed it while Jaekyung was drunk is because he wasn't in the head space and he went slow, just like Dan wanted when he told him to slow down! Jaekyung is literally the worse person you can tell to slow down while he is sober because he doesn't think of his partners pleasure, he just wants to fulfil his own.

Jaekyung usually goes rough on Kim Dan, but because he was drunk this time, he listened to Dan.

Did I forget to mention that he was literally going to suffocate Dan if he didn't stop crying even though it was his first time and he should have been more comfortable.

All y'all puss ass hoes can line this shit up. Clocking all of your teas :p

Also, addition to that. It's not GOOD that other mangas do it! I can make at least 4 yaoi manwha's that do the same shit!! Jinx is not the worst, its like the tip of the ice berg in all of this popular yaoi shit.

You can join if you want too, nobody gon jump you like they are right now HAHA

no thxs, yer boring.
im just here to see my mate's comments.

I agree. He said stop/wait/no because he was embarrassed and, not physically and mentally prepared,but that doesn't mean Dan wanted to stop the whole deed. There were discussions before the deed,like JJK asked if Dan was pretty experience or he's been with another man before, and Dan ( right,okay,I should say I've done this before ) lied "yes". So jjk said : "so there's no need for me to go easy on you then". So there's a loophole in Dan's side there. That night was also the night before the match of jjk,so he was desperate to have a satisfactory sex. He was angry because his time was wasted or consumed too much. He was about to call someone when Dan tugged his robe. Dan was also given,like 3-4? chances to go but he chose to stay because of that 5000 grand. Dan was really desperate at that time because the loan sharks were always there outside his house ready to beat him. ╥﹏╥ ╥﹏╥

Yeah,I like hide and seek too

I also wished for this,tbh

u mean sucking jk's cock?? ohh that's why im here, as a jinx fan NOT an ape.

Yes, I know all about “no means yes” in yaoi/BL and frankly the romance genre as a whole and then yeah the uke ends up enjoying it…as I’ve explained before though, even if you want to spin it like that, then that means what you’re reading is a rape/ravishment fantasy, which still crucially includes the element of nonconsent in it, lol. It’s just that the nonconsent means something different there.

That said I think it’s important to take the context around what’s happening into consideration when deciding what is ACTUALLY happening in the scene. Like again, Dan wouldn’t have had sex with Jaekyung period if he didn’t need the money. And actually yeah, Dan did try to escape, he did struggle, but Jaekyung would threaten him or physically force him to do things so of course he eventually just stayed put. Like Dan goes and sits in the shower for an hour or so (Jaekyung’s own words) because he was scared, only for Jaekyung to just come in and throw him on the bed. And then literally when Jaekyung starts trying to put it in Dan tries crawling away. And then Jaekyung just grabs him and shoves it in his ass anyway.

Anyway idk I don’t remember the Jaekyung drunk fucking incident, sure, maybe he enjoyed it then because things were going at his own pace and at that point I think he’s developed feelings for Jaekyung. What does that have to do with their first time together, when they were nothing but strangers to one another, and Jaekyung was the one in control? Is this some sick gotcha? “Ha so then Dan raped Jaekyung too!” Yeah, and? I’ll be consistent. The dynamics there are different but that’s that.

i mean c'mon if u watch porn then u can see that whore saying: yesh yesh gimme more bb but in manhwas they say: no please stop agh.

God please use common sense and just. Human empathy and decency. You’re telling me if you were having sex with someone and they kept telling you to stop or wait or hold up for ANY reason, whether because of plain embarrassment or fear, you just wouldn’t stop? You wouldn’t check in on them and ask what’s up and if you guys need to have like, a proper conversation before going further? Seriously?

Ah yeah, not to mention, the context before and after the incident. Dan just saw this guy fucking bash his previous sex partner in prior to them fucking. Dan also did not come into that apartment expecting that he would be propositioned for sex, he thought he was just going to give a massage, so Jaekyung just straight lied to him—even Dan thinks to himself that he was set up. I can pull up the exact words. And then afterwards, Dan is in so much pain and so depressed about it he lays in bed for like. A week after it happens? Idk man that doesn’t seem like typical yaoi/BL shit. Ain’t he suppose to walk away mostly unscathed if not perhaps a bit shaken, maybe more attracted to Jaekyung? lol

Tbh, there's nothing wrong with your topic. I even agree that Jk needs to suffer a lil longer for him to realize his mistakes.

tons of yaoi with enthusiastic bottoms mind you

This comment is killing me

And you really knows a lot of things,no?

What tf are talking about man? -_- I'm talking about consent and u fking spewing stuff about how rude he is... Reread my shit pls

Yeeees uvu <3

LMAOOOOZOOO

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Have you heard of the word "fantasy"? I assume you're big enough to understand that ppl have thoughts that they can't speak up. Those fantasies never hurt anyone (god don't go searching for specific ppl that killed/raped other ppl because of their weird fantasies, those ppl have mental essues -_- I don't have all night ok?).
I don't have empathy for fictional characters, I mean I cried watching Demon slayer etc but in yaoi especially IN YAOI! Uke don't make me cry._. I want the seme to crush the them :| cute aggression in psychology, I love the fact that it starts by being desperate/pathetic/fragile and then this USELESS PURE thing slowly becomes everything to the big/rich/handsome seme :D FUJOSHI DANAAAA

Ooooh yes make him suffer!!! I CAN'T WAIT!

wouldn't be talking with that horse face as your pfp. Talkin' about me riding his cock. Bro is a worshipper of him and wished he got pegged instead. Anyway, next!

Hello. Nothing have to do with this but have you watched "Kiss him, not me" (jap: Watashi ga Motete Dousunda?)?

I can't wait too!!! Lol. But really,in the last chapter when Dan said,"I am happy and ease but why my heart feel heavy".. he's wishing for jk. His wished was granted. I wished for more drama but let's not forget that Dan was the one who's more suffering because of the separation.

Girl, I'm talking about both the abuse and the consent. The consent in there was literally disappearing the more I read it, all was about his pleasure while also abusing him in the process. It literally felt like he didn't give it at ALL. Chapter 36, this man raped Kim Dan because he was frustrated, not even letting him know in advance.

Also, you didn't give me your answer to my answer of your question

Nope, but I heard of it, why?

Can y'all just admit that if Jaekyung was ugly, it would literally be a physiological horror story?? (╬￣皿￣)凸

All I can do is agree with you. Not because we're in the same team but because you're right, straight to the point.

It’s interesting how you chose not to respond to the message where I specifically brought up rape/ravishment fantasies. Anyway, sorry, but I genuinely don’t get your point here, I’m having trouble making sense of it because of the English. I don’t mean to offend. Like yeah I know people roleplay noncon stuff all the time? I know people read and write noncon stuff too? That wasn’t the point of my comment, my point was you guys keep saying Dan was consenting and/or Jaekyung did enough on his part with regards to their experience together when in reality that’s just not the case and in this type of situation the thing a decent person would’ve done would be to pause and check in on the other person (if you guys aren’t roleplaying a noncon scenario I guess, lmfao). Nb4 “this isn’t reality it’s a fiction” yeah I fucking know dumbass but we’re all using our real life understandings and standards for consent to judge the situation, hence the parallel.

Anyway…yeah you do have empathy for fictional characters lol. Which is natural and normal to have. People do indeed come to stories to feel things. You sure can enjoy your tropes.

when Jaekyung apologists’ arguments fall apart because no one would defend him if he was ugly

Yes, that chapter was something x(( I actually didn't expect that that would make me sad. I was reading with some expectations, since I read Bj Alex I never expected the author to show us this aspect of life (death/suic*de) so I was surprised. I also agree about the fact that that was a fast reunion but I really don't know how it is possible for Jjk to be aware of his feelings and Dan to start loving himself and be ready to accept Jjk if they distance themselves like that; ppl want them to be apart for like 20 chapters :// 20 chapters of what? They can't even communicate, 20 chapters of thinking? Of doing their own things :// mmh that would be boring, they must confront each other. Yes, Dan is suffering more than JJk but I prefer they suffer together next to each other ;-;

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Gosh,Shiki we're same with this (≧∀≦). And yes, you're right,20 long chaps would be boring ( I only realized now ) thank you for reminding me. That'sweird is right, you're always the king . Jk suffering with Dan,gosh, you're genius (≧∀≦)

REAL TALK. IF THIS WAS A CREEPY LOOKING MAN, THEY WOULD AGREE WITH ME.

Ommfggg am I not done talking to you? Tired of searching for specific messages in this 6 pages convo... Question ? What question ?

*Sigh...*
"According to the Judgment of the oratories mechanic Denali's

٩(๑꒦ȏ꒦๑)۶٩(๑꒦ȏ꒦๑)۶ and lets suffer with them as readers ! *sending love to both of you*

You kept going on so why don't I do it too??? Don't respond if you don't want to keep going LMAO

CLOCKED ALL OF YALL

6 people clocked

Also, I'm mentioning the one you said about Jaekyung being drunk

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I didn't choose not to respond, I choose not to read everything you write actually, not to disrespect you but I really am lazy to read and respond to you Akaito and I'm sure it's interesting xDD I also tend to forget what we were saying and referring to, these long messages are boring to me, if you dont go straight to the point, I lose my mind._. Even if you talked to me in French I would have ghosted u :D oh just finished reading and you just called me "dumbass";-; Wasn't expecting that from you tho, we hate each other so much ain't it? I have nothing to say about your comment here you asking questions and answer it yourself. Don't be angry, you hate it when ppl answer with simple words and when they don't debate with u with a 50 line paragraph. Mais la flemme quoi... ;0; I will try reading, coming back to u (or not)

Confused about why no ones arguing anymore? Questioning if it was because their argument got clocked for him not being ugly.

I don’t hate when people respond to me simply or with short answers, that’s not the problem in and of itself. If someone is able to be concise while addressing the complexity of a discussion then I’d find it not only acceptable but also admirable. I’m long winded because I think these discussions are complex and require thoroughness, and I like to be thorough. I think I’m just long-winded in general, though, it’s something I struggle with. What I actually hate is when people engage with me or with a discussion in general without taking the time to read and understand what is being discussed, or when people engage in bad faith and with dishonesty. You’ve already admitted to doing at least one of these, so.

lmao u said it.

I recommend u to watch it, you'll learn a lot about this weird community (≡^∇^≡)/

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What I admitted is that I'm here to chill and read stuff I like'-' I don't wanna enter into complex discussions :// I want to appreciate the art style and try to determine where Mingwa is going :v you like to overthink things I'm the opposite, that's why I avoid talking to u._. Take this story with a grain of salt.

Maybe Because their tired with arguing with people who don't have basic knowledge. But that aside Reese's or Snicker's?

That’s fine, it’s fine for you to do those things. The art is good and there’s fun in trying to guess what happens next in an ongoing story. But then don’t enter into complex discussions where people are discussing complex things, especially if you don’t actually care to engage. Simple. I know I started that other thread specifically addressing MangaSanctuary and you decided to hop onto it anyway. Then you can’t get upset at me for addressing what you’re saying. I already know how I generally feel about this story; it’s full of cliches. I keep saying I’d hardly have felt the need to comment here in the first place if not for multiple people dumbing down or misunderstanding the meaning of consent.

I'll enter into any discussion I want and leave when I want._. Don't tell ppl what to do. You're the one who's upset here tho... No, you don't feel the need to comment bc u see ppl misunderstand, u want to force ppl to think like you at all cost and give them a lesson, that's how u feel alive :v you want attention and u want to be praised, do you feel frustrated when that doesn't work?

Neither, Hershey's cookies and creme

Now I know who is your pfp is, it's Vegetta. Cute. Your thread is now having 7 pages.

Yes, yes, Shiki, I feel very much alive when people get on their knees and suck my big fat cock, I only feel alive when I get to spurt my thick load straight down their throats and they swallow it all down and tell me how good and delicious it was and how honored they feel to have been allowed to do me such a service ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

Careful -_- you're gonna make @That'sweird horny

LMFAOOOO PLS STAHPPP

You don’t have to do anything I tell you to, I said that because you’re the one who said you don’t want to enter into complex discussions. If you don’t want to enter into complex discussions then wouldn’t it follow that you don’t enter into complex discussions?

Anyway from the beginning I’ve said I was concerned about people not understanding consent. I’m not gonna force anyone who likes this webtoon to hate this webtoon, I’m not gonna force anyone who hates this webtoon to like this webtoon, but I do I find it imperative that people understand how consent works, because it’s an important issue to me and too many people get hurt because of a lack of understanding (and other broader cultural issues). But yes, I do also like being right, and I do like attention and being praised. I do get frustrated when these things don’t happen. But it’s also not worth anything if I don’t find the person/people…hm. Respectable? I like praise from my friends because I love and respect them a lot, for example, I love praise from a teacher or a mentor because it means I must be doing well in my own work. I don’t seek praise from here because I don’t care for any of you much. That’s the honest truth. If I can’t convince you I’m right then all I can say is oh well, I tried my best, and I just hope you will eventually come to understand what I mean.

That'sweird is so busy that he can't be horny - I mean,here rn, .

I feel most alive when I’m making and discussing art and life with/for the homies I love my friends a lot and when we can take something like Jinx or like a beloved video game or a book we’ve read and talk all about it for hoursヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

oh god you're so right and starting from tomorrow or after tomorrow (help) i'll be very busy.

Or when I have a good art experience in general, like listening to a really good song from a banging soundtrack, or finding a really good show that inspires me to create something myself.

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Lolo ik, it's tiring

okay!! @domodama and @shiki I love you guys sm and I love jinx and jinx fam!!
goodbye~~ ヾ(☆▽☆)





I didn't mean to make the eighth page fr lmao

ok someone made it lol

Thank you for having us here. Me and my friends here,are having fun. Hope to talk with you again in another thread.

no, actually I made it lmao (got confused for a sec)

Let's bring Shiki with us .ヾ(☆▽☆)

Ty for the Cv and the letter of motivation Akaito, I'll receive, I'll think about it. 8 PAGES LET'S GOOOOOO

Goodbye!!! ಥ_ಥ come back soon

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I'm here but need to go too KISS YOU GUYS goodnight, good jinx day! ♡´･ᴗ･`♡

Goodnight to our king

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holy shitt!!!here comes the ninth page lmao

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XDDD

think about this dick

wtf.

Exactly "wtf".

Sorry late reply, I wasn’t keeping up with this thread, I’m surprised to see it’s gotten so much traction! I know what Dan said I read through the bl, it’s dub-con because he is coerced into it which is the point I’m trying to make, I also know what a forced orgasm is, it’s just strange to see people mad that read this bl, it’s fiction and is a break from reality for most, it doesn’t need to be deeper than that, it’s fantasy. I’m not an avid manga reader in general but when I do I tend to gravitate towards dub-con, it does not have anything to do with my ethics or morals bc to me it’s just a work of fiction. You don’t need to explain this to me like I don’t know what rape is, I’ve been through it, so I’m well aware of what it is and have been to therapy and also unfortunately know others that have been through it so I am not speaking as someone that’s just blindly reads and aimlessly defends this manga, Jinx is just such a small portion of my free time that it isn’t a big deal to me, especially since it’s fiction and it is very dubious, like I've said before, these kinds of mangas aren’t for everyone, I respect that but to take it so far and so serious when it is just that (a work of fiction, a manga, dub-con) blows my mind tbh, I don’t read rape-y non-con stuff like wet sand that kind of work is distasteful to me and I don’t see how anyone could enjoy but dub-con is harmless imo bc it is fiction but also doesn’t go extreme. Idk what to say atp I didn’t mean to trigger anyone or ruffle feathers, I don’t usually comment but it’s been irritating seeing people shit on a work of fiction that I’m sure the team behind it works hard on, anyone is allowed to dislike it but some people take it really far with the hate comments and to me, if a work do fiction is that serious and upsetting to someone, they need to stop engaging with it and perhaps occupy themselves through other interests.

*people mad that others

Before I even get into anything else I’ll say first I’m sorry you went through that and I hope the healing journey has been going well for you.

But for clarification—do you think that sex that someone is coerced into is consensual or nonconsensual? Why or why not?

I’m okay, like I said I was blessed to have a great team of mental health professionals through the rough parts, all is well for me now and that time was long ago. All I’m saying is that what I read has nothing to do with me irl, it’s one of several hobbies so I don’t look to deep into it, I don’t read Jinx to pick it apart on what it does right or wrong, or think of it realistically, again, it stays within the pages so there’s no need for me to criticize it and again, extremism is what I’d say is really problematic, as long as it doesn’t step into that territory, I don’t mind. All that to say, the question you asked doesn’t apply here because you asked what I think about it irl and the answer to that is I don’t, I don’t think of Jinx as a real scenario and so applying what I think is not part of the conversation because to put it simply, I just do not think about it in a literal context. That is the point, that people should be able to enjoy Jinx without stones being thrown. I don’t expect everyone to agree or to like manga like Jinx but I thought someone should say something ab the obsessive hate comments because in truth, if it is not for you that’s fine you don’t have to come back every time new chapters drop and shit all over it and cause people of being all kinds of sick for enjoying the manga, I get it’s the internet and all which is why I hadn’t previously made any comments about it but I saw - what was originally a funny and lighthearted interaction - and thought I’d reply but did not expect it to turn into what it did and well now I regret it lol because it created unwanted chaos when I really didn’t mean it to but oh well, now we’re here.

*accuse (not cause)

One of your first comments on this thread was “y’all will call anything rape” with you then going on to explain why you think that what occurs in the webtoon is not that, which implies to me that you DO have some criteria for what you consider to be rape/sexual which you’ve decided this webtoon does not match. You’ve repeatedly said how there are other webtoons that do portray outright rape, according to your criteria. You are the one who has repeatedly brought up your own real life experience with rape to further back up your claims. You don’t have to read Jinx to pick it apart, you don’t have to read into things super literally where it doesn’t make sense to do so, etc etc, but it’s bizarrely disingenuous for you to act as if you’re not doing the same thing as everyone else reading this and then hide behind “but it’s not real so it’s silly to apply real frameworks to it” when you clearly have been. Which is part of why I asked you if you your thoughts on sex that is coerced. Still curious what you think about that, by the way! It doesn’t just have to do with the webtoon.

I’ll end off by saying what I’ve said before—even if the rape isn’t meant to be read literally, even if it’s for porn purposes…a rape fantasy is still called a rape fantasy. lol

also…so just because you don’t think about the stories you read means no one else can or should? because you don’t have any strong opinions about it means no one else can or should? lol

To me it’s not as black and white as “”that’s rape, that’s not rape” I think it’s a nuanced conversation, depending on the context, I don’t know if by providing an example I’ll properly get my point across and I’m afraid I won’t, because when it comes to such an important and prevalent issue, I want to make sure I’m being clear and I do better at that when I’m having a discussion face to face, I’m not sure why but that way my mind is better focused. I know you said I don’t have to dissect it but if I were to really explain why Jinx isn’t rape I’d have to start from the beginning and be very thorough as to why that is my opinion and I’m sorry but I didn’t want to do that from the start and I still don’t, to me I have 3 very separate categories, non-con which I don’t read, dub-con which I do read and consensual which I also read and the reason I brought up my experience is bc strangers online are quick to accuse others of being rapist supporters without knowing what the person has gone through themselves, I did not use my experience as a sort of measuring scale and never could do that because it’s so personal and will always be a difficult memory that I couldn’t imagine using it for comparison as if it were something light. Idk pookie I’m sorry if I disappointed you I’m really bad at explaining myself when it comes to this stuff ESPECIALLY online like this I’m so anxious rn

I agree that there can be situations where a sexual encounter lands in a grey area rather than cleanly being rape or sexual assault. I think this can especially be true of stories exploring character dynamics and character psyches and the complex ways people come at sex. Or stories that are, again, straight up rape/ravishment fantasies. I reread Ten Count the other day, for example, and that’s one where I feel like dubious consent applies more because…well, many reasons LMAO but primarily for me it was that the bottom there did often actually want the sex and was genuinely attracted to the top, he just had hangups regarding his own sexuality acting as a barrier to him engaging with it well.

So I am willing to grant that, if you’re reading Jinx as an unserious story/nothing but porn then nothing in it means anything—I’m well aware of yaoi’s (and the romance genre in general) tendency to have “no” mean “yes” or for a “no” or “I’m not sure” to turn into an (enthusiastic) “yes.” And I am also willing to grant that there are some scenes in Jinx that are muddier than others when it comes to the consent because of the context surrounding it, as you said. If you ask me to go back and reread a scene I’ll be happy to do it and explain how I’m interpreting it not only with regards to if it’s consensual or not, but what I think any given scene is trying to say about Dan and Jaekyung as characters and what their dynamic with one another is (questions that I think are more interesting, in all honesty). But I’m personally not going to compromise my understanding of what I know to be consensual and non-consensual acts unless I have good reason to because, like you said, it’s an important and very prevalent issue. And for a story that seems to want to take SOME instances of sexual assault seriously (Dan’s experience with his former employer) but not others…I dunno. Seems it in and of itself is inconsistent.

Anyway, you don’t have to litigate anything you don’t want to I guess. But that’s why I asked you to simply clarify whether or not you believe sex that is coerced is consensual or not. We don’t have to dive into any particular scene if you don’t want to, you don’t even have to answer this question if you don’t want to, but it is to my understanding that sex that someone coerces someone into by use of threats, force, emotional manipulation, drugging, etc is simply rape by definition.

If I’m gonna be told I’m wrong to define coercive sex as blatant rape, I really want to know and understand why.

like okay let me see if I can explain better why I found some of what you were saying…odd, even given a fictional context where, sure, we can say things aren’t that serious, or the dynamic can be more complicated. statements like “dan knew what he was getting into” and “he could just get up and leave if he wants to” feels like they don’t take into consideration…a lot of details about this story, and, not to mention, do sound a bit like rape and abuse apologia (not saying that was your intention! it’s just that to me those feel very much like red flags. if you were joking around saying those things then the tone didn’t come across to me).

like dan during their first encounter Quite Literally did not know what he was getting into at first, at all. jaekyung blatantly lied to him about why he was calling him to that apartment that night, and bribed dan to come when dan expressed doubt (both acts of manipulation). and even if dan did, is he not allowed to back out? because, like i said, he really did try to several times before giving up. and the reason why he sticks around with jaekyung is because he’s desperately poor, to the point where he was about to go homeless, you know? which isn’t jaekyung’s fault, but it’s like, what else was he suppose to do when he was already working 3 jobs to try to sustain himself and his dying grandmother…

and then yeah re: your rereading of the first scene…like you explained why you thought jaekyung was making the threats that he was making, but he did nonetheless threaten dan which, to me, is coercive (not to mention the use of physical force). and then yeah the thing about how dan enjoyed it (if that’s not what you actually meant by that then please correct me)…doesn’t take into account how otherwise distressed dan was about what was happening, or how depressed he was about it after the fact (it also sounds like more rape apologia, AGAIN, not saying it was your intention, and again, i’m aware yaoi/porn in general plays with this trope a lot, so i understand if you were just reading it like that). like idk maybe i ain’t read enough yaoi in all honesty a story like this where romance (or “romance” lol) is the a plot has not held my attention in a while but i thought that when it’s Not That Serious the bottom’s meant to walk away mostly unscathed if not more hot for their partner…not dreading every time they have sex.

one final final thing i think then i’ve gotten all my thots out for now, me personally i agree it’s dumb to assume someone’s IRL morality and thoughts and opinions on real issues based off what kind of art they consume and/or create alone (although this is a very very nuanced topic. big fat caveats on these). like you said and like i well know people create and share things that are meant to be escapism (and this is one place where i’m like, nuance flag! escapist media begs the question of what a person is trying to escape from and what they envision an ideal reality to look like—for example, just what do we think white gamer bros are trying to escape when they cry that a black people/people of color/queer people in their video games threatens their ability to “escape”?) and when it comes to fiction, the question of morality isn’t necessarily as important as how/why characters have certain morals to begin with. my friends and i were watching strangers from hell the other day and we were all looking forward to when the main character would crash out and start killing people LMAO. of course we generally don’t condone murder but through the way the story was told we could come to understand how and why the character got to that point and even feel like cheering him on.

BUT…yeah that’s why i try to have these kinds of conversations with people so that i can tease out what their actual beliefs are. because i don’t know, i only have the way they’re interpreting the story, and the way people interpret a story IS real and can be reflective of someone’s beliefs and values y’know. everyone comes to a story with their own baggage and that is the lens through which they interpret. so like again with strangers from hell if someone came out of it saying something like “it’s the main character’s fault he’s stuck in the situation he’s in, he should’ve worked harder so he wouldn’t have had to be stuck with all those crazy poors,”
by the way this is why i hate the slums, always shady people there” or something…not only would i be like you missed the entire point of the story, but i’d also be like. deeply curious about what they actually think about poor people irl. because them coming to that conclusion

Hello again :) I read your replies and your confusion about where my mind is at, realistically, is sensible from a deeper lens. Yes this is a one dimensional read for me, unless I’m reading a book on someone’s life, poetry or art of any form that inquires the reader/viewer to reflect on the message, I won’t, for me as long as the content is not extreme, I feel it doesn’t bother me because I see it as nothing more than a work of fiction and a form of escapism. I am non white and was raised in a small, southern, white town, I am also non religious and was raised in a strict catholic household, I’m also queer and nonbinary, sometimes, escapism looks as unserious as reading Jinx and sometimes it’s doing 10 of the 99 coping skills or frolicking in the grass (very serious lol). Meh I think I only answered your question about what I’m sometimes escaping from and then again that Jinx, to me is as serious as watching totally spies :3 Ahhh sorry I rambled and was all over the place, like I mentioned, it is difficult for me to keep focus when I’m not speaking with people either on call or in person, not sure why that is :,)

But again, I'm an anti-hater for jinx. I totally get why people hate on it because of how stupid Kim Dan is for not leaving this guy, even though I pray for him and Jerkyung is just...

ikr lol and what's with these Buddhist quotes something something I thought I'm reading Chinese classic cultivation novels

There is only one Buddhist quote. That quote is posted by a target of harassment and cyberstalking.

What is that quote saying? The quote is saying something to the cyberstalkers that can not let go.
It’s unfortunate that they feel the need to resort to false accusations and mockery in an attempt to provoke a reaction. They were triggered when I helped someone. That is sad.


However, I think Salinya was talking about the cyberstalkers' spam using my older names and my friends' name.

Call me Valentine the way I delude myself into believing all positive things mentioned are about me and I am excluded in all negative things... said about me.

I want to feel like a victim so I pity myself by sharing random Bhuddist sayings and look out the window all sad

This is half true. I do not look outside the window. I am scared of the outside world.

Salinya,
it's still the same group of cyberstalkers we've been dealing with for months. Now, they’re targeting me and my friend, and they're spreading false claims that we are the same person or that we are "Morning Diamonds."

They seem to have an obsession with "Morning Diamonds," which might be fueling their current behavior.

They copied Truth and Trust. Steadfast and True was my name before this one.
I was the one impersonating the real Morning Diamonds to defend them and protect others from the cyberstalkers.

This link is to my friend's topic
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/15972041/

Desperately trying to get her to defend you lmao there's literally no other pedo rape lover in this comment section, you aren't gonna find anyone

Nah imma jump u

XD

NOOO

DON'T BE MEAN TO MY BABYYY

HE'S TOO STUPID

HES SMARTER THAN ML AND ALSO ADORABLE SO

BUT HE CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS, HE'S A GROWN MAN

Wbk you’ll be back out of curiosity lol

Probably, ngl