You call someone out for shitting on this manhwa but doing tricks on a het manhwa that also glamorizes abuse and rape and they crash out and accuse you of stalking </3
People will harp on this series specifically for being baldly violent and you click on their profile to find more rapey manhwa. Everyone has a line they cannot cross in fiction, but I feel like once you start accusing an artist of heinous shit IRL you need to hold all the others to those same standards. Literally: “I can excuse rape and domestic abuse but I draw the line at gang rape”
FACTS
Stop your BS. I called you out for being a STALKER. What is there that you don't understand? What you're doing is stalking and 'digging dirt' on someone, bc unless you do that you can't win an argument with people. And even after doing that you're still in the wrong, but still claim you're right. The fact that I wasn't careful enough to make my lists private isn't an excuse for CREEPS like you to stalk readers page. You should really stop that shameful behavior of yours and learn how to argue with people on a fair and descent level.
The rest of your post is also full of BS. So if you don't understand my explanations on why I can't put a 5 on this work, do reread in details my topic.
Oh great here comes corny ass Saint Sebastian just seething over my post even though they have me blocked. By their own metrics they’re the one stalking me now since they’ve been all up in the comments trying to see if I was talking about them lol. All the “dirt” I found on them was voluntarily posted by them on the internet. How can you have been on this site for almost TEN YEARS and still not know how basic internet interactions work.
How reading the comment section is stalking you? Lol! Now I can't read comments?
I'm not going on your homepage on purpose like you to see what you're fucking doing and I don't give a fuck about your life. You're a shameless CREEP and need to be called out and to be blocked. Lol now you're gonna make people believe that they're all stalkers like you? Nope! YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE in TEN YEARS to lure like that on people's pages to dig infos on them just to defend your sorry argument. How gross. You even went as far as my 10th page of reading list to find my rating on Cry, or better yet, beg, lol. I can't believe this.
Sayonara, Stalker, and don't bother to reply. As for me I won't.
NOT “SAYONARA, STALKER” LMAOOO WORLD’S LEAST CHEESY FRENCH PERSON /s
As an uninvolved individual I just wanna point out that stalking means unwanted attention or harassment, also your roasts suck (⊙…⊙ ).
If you were to get "dirt" on someone that wasn't "posted voluntarily" that would be some kind of cyber security crime, correct me if I'm wrong (seems to be your niche).
Apparently the other person reads manhwas like this so it makes sense for them to have read your comment, therefore your argument of being stalked back is weak af.
I don't know if you have too much time or if you're own self-esteem is just way too low but stalking others is just pathetic and cringe.
Next time, don't call someone "corny", if you yourself write like some condescending ass geek that wants to sound smart while their arguments are not very well-founded. I might even mind my own business if you can do that.
Also MangaSanctuary, if you're reading this, I'm so sorry for lowkey stalking your homepage. I got mad curious. (btw giving Nerd Project only 3 stars is crazy but ok you do you(≧∀≦) )
I really don’t know how you can equate me going to their public lists to get a better grasp on where their argument was coming from to stalking. I never harassed them. I never “stalked” them. All of the “information” I so dastardly used in my arguments was voluntarily given. If they don’t want to held to the same ethical standards they’re trying (and failing) to hold manhwa authors to, then they should get off mangago. I went through their page so I could see where they were coming from. Idk, I guess the yaoi police is coming to arrest me or something. For the crime of literacy.
Thank you for speaking, and be careful you too. You may be the next person they're digging infos about. I think they also did this with Blackie, that's how they knew Blackie liked Non Zero Sum... I renounced because it seems they'll never get the notion of stalking or that what they're doing is harassing people... I guess, when someone has the habit to steal eggs from others that habit becomes so natural they can't grasp the vile aspect of it and that what they're doing is wrong.
If I knew one day I'll get this type of attention for such futile reason, of course I'd hidded everything, lol. Now it's too late :'D
Didn't knew that not hidding such thing was 'making it public' for people to 'grab dirt' on me.
I've dropped Reverse Thinking, but still visit the com. section to know people's avis on that type of work. If this work becomes popular, we may see a shift in the bl genre.
About Nerd Project, I think I put 3 bc the mc had sex with his gf and I was disguted by all the used condoms. It's futile, I know, and after that I forgot to change the ratings. I'll change it to 5 since I really like the story over all, and the art is just beautiful.
No worry, I also sometimes go visit contacts and friends here, even rondom people out of boredome, to find new titles to read. But never out of bad intention, more to put +1 to people, but yes it's rare. Curiosity is natural, but digging dirt is a different matter.
For people like you, being anphabete is certainly better for society; you clearly don't know how to use your litteracy for good purposes.
Didn't know that you own Mangago. Lmao.
You may enjoy that stalking tendency of yours while it lasts, bc I'll try to do something about that matter. I'm sure the site didn't make the settings this way for people to have malevolent interactions with each others like that. The worse is you still are proud of what you did and feel no remorse at all. Hopefully vast majority of people can argue with each other without resorting to underhand tactics just to defend their opinion.
Also, how can you compare Cry, or better yet, beg (9,2) to Reverse Thinking (8,1)?
How can you not see the differences?
Are they in the same category of genre, sub genre? How was treated the problematics posed by the scénario, was it pertinent?...
Both have controversial content, but did I say that rape were the cause why I've put a 5 to one and less to another? I wouldn't be reading bl if I flinch to every rapey story.
A story isn't reduced to the fact it contains rape or not, or how many times it occurs or if it was a gang rape... There are other criterias and parameters to judge a book. People can also change their opinion, ratings, once the story is finished.
Didn't I say that the intend of the author to add beastiality to Rev.Th. was the ultimate reason why I'm dropping the reading, yet you're still here to speak about rape. Both mc and ml have violated each other and made people violated the other, they're both disguting by that standard, what do you want for people to say?
You want for people to pity more Jiwook or Juyeon? I'm sure we all feel bad for both and are mad to both for treating the other like an object, I'm sure many would root for them to find solace one day in a way or another, but def not for the story to take that route.
It has potential, but infortunately this was exploited for nothing but morbid porn. Plus adding a dog...??
You enjoy morbid porn? Good, but don't ask for the average people to adhere to it.
Other major reason why it got a lesser ratings is bc of all the plotholes that story contains, that for me shows furthermore that this plot only serves porn and has no other intentions.
It has the audience it has, though you can't be surprised for it to not make to the greater public of bl.
Unless you're a French yourself, stop that shit. This makes you sound racist.
Btw I live in France, but am not of French origins, so now guess from where I am... Lol.
Wow you went back on your word about “not replying” so fucking fast lol. Anyways, there is very little you can contribute to the argument with all that blathering. At the end of the day you went on a tirade about how the illustrator is wasting her talents and is a bad person for working on this project because of its themes. I pointed out that you also liked a manhwa that ALSO romanticizes fucked up themes. It’s not a matter of severity. If you’re going to castigate someone for fucked up elements while happily consuming something that contains those same elements but is slightly less disturbing, it is no longer a matter of morals. It’s a matter of taste. And therefore you have no room to be passing judgement onto the author or illustrator. One more thing, you might as well unblock me if you’re going to be stamping your feet in my notifs trying to argue instead of committing to your block lol.
Also, that other person voluntarily admitted to liking NZS. It was a part of their argument. I don’t know how much of a hothouse flower you are to think bringing up someone’s fictional tastes in an argument about fiction = stalking. And the French jokes are a common trend online to rib French people for being too self-aggrandizing. It’s not racist and there is nothing that will make me feel bad for making fun of a country that still has colonies.
i dont go here, but this comment thread is hilarious.
bros acting like accessing public information is stalking.
Idk wtf is going on but i also dont see how people dont understand that ops comment is also weird af? Like they didnt need comment all this and make it obvious that they are talking about someone specifically in the first place. Like yes things can be public information but still be weird asf to go through.
Idk whos truly in the wrong here and i honestly dont care, i just think all of it is weird and idk why people are getting involved and shitting on someone and making jokes unless they have the full context? Like clearly this seems to go deeper than what we or at least I am seeing
Both of you log tf off and touch grass fr, stop doing this to eachother and in front of all of us here. If you have a problem with each other, sort it in dms in the first place, dont drag it across multiple comments on different places
Honestly the last part goes for all of you, if you have no context, why not just stay out of it?
you literally say you don’t know what’s going on and instead of proceeding to “stay out of it” like you say, you don’t even follow your own advice…I only made my comment because that person made a callout accusing me of stalking and harassment when I was debating with them.
Yes but not just speaking to u, talking to all the other randoms joining in
Just think all this is weird and not worth all the effort u both are putting into it. I doubt anyone here really gives a damn
Going through someone’s reading list on an anonymous reading site is not that weird lol and definitely not stalking.
And all this because of some shitty read, this whole thread is so unserious lol
Real
Didn't you guys read at least the comments, if not, why are you involving yourselves in this?The point is they're going on people's pages to dig dirt' to defend their argument, here on Rev. Thinking, for ex. Pretty sure they've done this with Blackie as well, so this is clearly a pattern of them whenever they argue with people. They even went pretty far in my lists, lol. Acting like this is stalking, whether you guys agree or not.
Yes, this work isn't worth all their efforts to use sneaky tactics, say it louder to a certain someone.
You guys should kiss
I went to touch grasse, and found you guys here. Lol.
A context? I was arguing with that person, Jax, about this manhwa. Instead of just argumenting with fairness, they went to dig infos on me. They did it, distributed -1 to ALL of my topics, and went to get back at me. I blocked them and called they out for stalking me. You think I could've have an intelligent convo with such person in dms? Someone who uses underhand means just to win an argument on some story? (So, sorry to annoy you rest of people, but just go your way if btw you don't bother yourself to understand the situation).
You wouldn't go dig infos, right?
Me neither. But they did. And they certainly did this with others too. I don't think Mangago has set this site for people to have such interactions with e/o. People shouldn't have to feel threatened to let their lists/infos 'public'; they shouldn't have to systematically hid everything bc of stalking and vile intentions.
And you guys here, not understanding the context, but saying they're not in the wrong for their actions doesn't help.
its just sounds like jax called out your hypocritical attitude- based on the other stuff you read, and you dont like that.
jax weird as hell for being so obsessed with this story tho.
you guys are both so funny.
Disliking all your comments is completely incongruent to all our interactions so far. I only skimmed to like the fourth page of your lists to better understand your perspective of where you draw the line in fiction. And then I saw something that made your argument come off as hypocritical. That’s it. Why would I go through all of your topics to click that tiny ass dislike button when that contributes nothing to the conversation. Until mangago implements a feature to show who interacted with your comment, it’s your word against mine. And neither of us have any proof lol. So it’s probably pointless to speak in absolutes.
Sorry im just autistic. Can we kiss now.
only if youre cute
Pretend I'm your favorite uke or something <33333
thats kinda gay...
Jojo, I have nothing against you, but if you want to speak about this matter you should at least read what I wrote. Seems you don't. You're not qualified to judge me.
But anyway, enjoy kissing each other ass.
Sky is above, Earth is below, if you're innocent you'll be safe. But if you're the one who did evil, you know what awaits you.
Actions have consequences. That's the only thing I can say since I don't want to wasted any more time with the kind like you.
Even if you 'just' went as far as my fourth page, this is stalking and crazy, especially for the purposes you have.
Do you grow better after reading this story?
Do you grow more cultured, did you learn some life lesson, courage, while being entertained...? Nope, nothing of this.
I feel sorry for you that you can't understand why everybody can't adhere to this story, also that you rather choose to fight - the way you do- for a work like this instead of a work that favors aspect like beauty, resilience and other human qualities.
WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THIS NEW AGE SHIT INTO THE YAOI CONVERSATION LMFAOOO
I'll make sure to only read beautiful, cultured rape stories from now on like you do </3
Omg you guys realise this bs has been going on for 5 day. FIVE. DAYS. I already thought I was overstepping by googling the definition of stalking but everyone that got involved and took sides w/o knowing all the facts is way too involved in this.
Anyway the definition is indeed "unwanted attention, harassment or contact". Is this case severe enough to bring to court or compare to following someone home? No, most definitely not. So it wasn't what people normally imagine by stalking, yet boundaries were definitely overstepped. And that is what MangaSanctuary is trying to convey.
Try empathising, you just wanna read stories that entertain you to get AWAY FROM REALITY. But then people start call your ratings hypocritical and say your preferences IN FICTION indicate you're a rapist (look at this whole comment section I mean). Honestly, it ain't that deep, bros. It was never that deep. Nothing's that deep. Most of them are virgins, afraid of men, social interaction and physical touch anyway (no offence, cuz lowkey same).
Let's just settle on the facts, Jax may have not respected MangaSanctuarys boundaries by calling them out on a whole other comment section and continued writing (and lowkey insulting the entirety of the french population, not cool btw just narrow it down to like "the government" or smth., if possible please) after MangaSanctuary clearly had already blocked them once and asked not to contact/comment anymore. And MangaSanctuary may have used words that exaggerated the actual situation because they felt uncomfortable and personally attacked, even if that may not have been Jaxs intention. Which in return made Jax feel verbally attacked and accused. So now you're in an vicious cycle.
Looking into the future, I hope everyone involved won't respond anymore. You two should go your separate ways because you obviously don't want to continue this convo and only respond to defend yourselves.
Jax, if I was overly mean and accusing in my precious comment, I apologise. That was due to the fact that I do in fact like "rapey" stories and felt attacked by your statements. I don't like them in a weird, abusive, sadistic, sexual way but rather a in a weird, mentally sick, I-listen-to-serial-killer-and-cannibalism-podcasts way. I can also promise you that I will not rape a guy or any other person ever. And no, neither will I fantasise about it. So I'd appreciate it if I didn't have to feel accused of rape or concerned for the life of the author (not because of you in this case) every single time I'm done reading a manhwa and see the comment section.
MangaSanctuary, bro, it ain't that deep, just let it go. Forget about what happened and just read whatever you want and rate them however you want. I read that you've been on this app for 10 years, I assume and trust you are at an age where you have proper reasoning for your decision/rating and you won't be swayed by others comments. What might not make sense for others, might make sense for you. AND THEY SHOULD RESPECT THAT. (also don't change your rating on Nerd Project, if you don't want to, like I said "you do you" also it shouldn't be any of my business in the first place)
Ofc, I can't tell you what to do but I do hope you seriously consider this compromise cuz you probably won't find a better one. Please, don't obsess over these things and let's just enjoy the website instead of possibly destroying it through internal conflict.
Lots of love (▰˘◡˘▰)
I appreciate the more nuanced perspective. I don't really like to take this stuff across multiple comments in a space that's meant for discussing the story. I only made my own comment to dunk on them after they made a post about me claiming that I'm going around attacking people. Which isn't a very faithful representation of what I've been doing. I like to debate people is all. The first thing you're taught in any kind of speech or debate class is to be well-informed, so I sometimes skim through people's lists to see what angle they're coming from and how to address their claims better. I totally acknowledge that people take advantage of the anonymity they have on this site to verbally harass others, but all I did was take a peek at their list. As for the person who disliked all their comments, that IS needlessly aggressive and petty behavior. I am not responsible for that, but since mangago keeps all likes and dislikes anonymous, I don't have any proof. I know this argument got childish on my end as well, but my point has always been that if you want to hold one triggering manhwa to real life standards, then you cannot pick and choose which triggering manhwa count as "dangerous IRL" and which are just "silly dark josei". I don't hold anything against you for taking a snappish tone in your first comment. If anything, I found it refreshing--especially since you've clarified your points more. No need to stand on ceremony on a yaoi manga site. I am sorry you've felt attacked by any of the comments you've seen here, and even more so if my comments have caused you to feel judged for liking taboo fiction. I highly condemn people who accuse others of heinous acts IRL because they read dark and fucked up stories. At the end of the day, I love the "thrill of the debate", but I take an issue with being likened to a stalker or a harasser. Especially when there's SO much harassment on this site already. There were people having a three page long argument filled with slurs and suicide-baiting the day before I started yaoi filibustering with mangasanctuary, for Christ's sake. I can't change the fact that they felt so deeply offended by me, but I recognize things went off the rails pretty bad towards the end when it would've been more productive to defend my character succinctly and enforce the block they keep overstepping. Thank you for your input, Shuli. Sorry for bothering you with all this.
No need to apologise. Honestly I think I was also just really irritable since I didn't sleep a wink that night to study for exams. Might even have choked smo if they looked at me the wrong way that day.
I get where you are coming from now and that you like to debate but for the future let's just keep in mind that debating people that do not also want to debate is just lowkey bullying at some point. The fundamentals of debate class are everyone gets assigned a ROLE and to be respectful. If someone does not wish to be part of a debate I think their "role" is clear. Especially since there may be people here that do not feel articulate enough to defend themselves. English is my third language so if my 7th grade teacher (or a person online) had asked to debate I'd have probably cried or sued for public humiliation, lol.
Since I took mediation class (cuz my school didn't offer debate) I'd also like to remind everyone to always remember Schulz von Thun's 4 Ears Model.
Communication, brothers! (●￣(ｴ)￣●)
Ch. 9 Juyeon is posted up with the black button up, black pants, and the white jacket. It’s so over.
Where did you read the raws?
Bought em on bomtoon!
What about the novel? Can I read the novel anywhere for free? I tried Lily of the valley but only up to 10 is free
I'm ready the Novel on Lilly of the Valley as well!! I think the chapters get translated every few days so it might just take a while until they get posted up.
Someone already answered but the only place you can get quality translations at the moment is Lilyonthevalley. But if you want to read for free, frankly, their free one chapter a week deal is pretty damn good!
What is the name of the novel? Can't find it there
It’s under the name ‘Empathy’ there.
It's weird that they are making you buy, fan translation should be just fan translation, asking MONEY for pirating is crazy. I was a fan translator, never ask money. If only I'm not busy I'll be the one translating this novel
I just wish I could read the novel lol I'm so invested
Sorry can you put the link? I can’t find it
Here you go dear :)
https://lilyonthevalley.com/chapter/emp-chapter-1/
Reading the backstory chapters is making my week WORSE. Seeing the innocent kid he was compared to the deranged rapist he is now is shocking. Seeing how Jiwook destroyed his mind, his body, and his future with his abuse hurts so bad. Obv Jiwook doesn’t remember any of it but he ruined that boy for love FOREVER. And imo his actions aren’t driven entirely by hate like some ppl think. You can see it a little in the occasional nonviolent interactions he has with Jiwook. Juyeon’s still mourning the love he had for him. (Which is a little hard to see because he’s almost never not raping that man.) But he does outright say in one of the chapters that he wanted to make Jiwook fall for him and unable to live without him.
I still have a fuck ton of complaints about the story but the way it has me flipping back and forth between hating and feeling sorry for the characters is kinda tea.
plsss where did u read the novel
Lilyonthevalley.com
What’s the title on this in lilyonthevalley? It’s not appearing when I search reverse thinking :(
Oops mb, it's Empathy on that site. The title of the KR manhwa is kinda hard to translate, which is why we got all these different titles on different sites.
Can you drop the link pls. I read on that one too but there was only 10 chap
You can buy the raws on Bomtoon. Or you can buy the translated chapters on Lilyonthevalley if you’d rather not wait for them to drop once a week. If you’re asking for a way to read for free, then I’m afraid I can’t help you. Sorry.
And I cannot for the life of me decide if this is just pure cheeks or actually peak. Obviously the pwp is beyond gratuitous and the characters are all unlikeable. BUT I lowkey think it has some pretty solid meta on Korean men, i.e. rape culture, homophobia, COCSA, bystander syndrome, PTSD, etc. (this is me going off what I’ve read + some spoilers of the extra content I saw). Like Jiwook is obviously a horrible monster for what he did, but his character development (if you can even call it that) as Juyeon destroys everything about him is kinda compelling in a tragic, fucked up way. (Could be more compelling if he weren’t getting ploughed every single chapter but whatever.) I think it’s so funny bc the author was probably going for mindbreak pwp but accidentally wrote a decent depiction of trauma.
(Also you can buy the chapters on lilyonthevalley.com! No need to thank me Lol)
totally agree, i even bought it on ridibooks too, honestly i couldn't careless about what happened to both of them since again both mc and ml are just trash especially mc, hence why it was tagged #trashbottom cause out of all dead dove manhwa that i read this one definitely take the crown for having the most horrible mc
Absolutely no hate to the uploader but mangago completely fries the image quality which is good for the ppl who don’t want to see every single pixel of the mc’s bleeding ass, I guess. But if the fuzziness is distracting you, then you’ll probably have a better time reading on the other site that starts with a b and ends with an ato
Thanks for the review! I'll make sure to check the quality next time < 3
Aw I don’t think it’s your fault I think it might just be an image compression issue or something.
Lol probably because in my gallery the images are clear but here no
Genuinely clenched my cheeks in despair reading this update. Bro needs to go to the hospital but ik he’s too proud to do that so he’s probably gonna pop a hemorrhoid during class next chapter.
On god Jiwook’s high cholesterol is gonna take him out before Juyeon can get his revenge in
seriously hahaj