I read up to... chapter 5. Could you give more insights? I don't know if I want to keep reading or not.
not worth it save yourself
For me, it's not worth it..
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Absolutely not worth it
I feel like if you read it straight thru it’s a lot better. Still a little frustrating but you understand the main characters decisions a whole lot more. I re-read it when it just came back and I was suprised by my new opinion
If you're looking for a plot this ain't it. Mostly just jumping from one guy to another, uke can't decide between them + drama and fights with blsck hair seme Yahwi. Take the romance out and these characters are hollow.
It's better if you don't waste your time on this. It's not worth it. Story doesn't make any sense.
All lies. Story totally makes sense as the MC chose the person he loves and loves him back.
Thank you.
Thank you. It seems you are not alone.
Thank you. It sounds like many has wasted their time with this story.
I wish more readers would understand what you said. And be more like you to know their opinions can change and it is okay.
Thanks! It is a shame, it is like that.
Thank you. Maybe wait until it is done then it could make more sense? Idk.
I wished they would make better stories
If you're rooting for the black guy read it, if you’re rooting for the blonde guy better not read it because pretty sure you’ll end up getting bitter just like all the blonde stans here. Just saying
People who are saying you to don't read are just bcs story went against their expectations but for me it was not that bad even though I think there are more better stories than this. But you should read some more to decide it yourself.
I heard a lot about this story... What are your opinions? I am seeing if i want to read this
In my opinion it’s good. The plot is pretty interesting too. If you like hating semes because they’re incredibly toxic and kinda insane then this one’s for you. I’m not dissing the seme but that might be the way you react to the things he does. Although the things he does aren’t horrifically psychological, they’re still bad
this was good until he shot the uke and then didn’t even let him recover properly that actually made me so mad because it ruined the whole thing for me when I really liked it at first
I agree with you ! He did not gave a decent apology at all.
exactly what i’m sayinnnn
Welp I was trying to keep the spoilers to a minimum but if you want to lay out all his sins be my guest It is kinda fucked that he never really apologized though
I mean it’s kinda important it ruined the whole plot
Frr, he was toxic but okay-ish until that point imo.
Really I thought he was toxic till that point, toxic after that point and then became slightly bearable afterward
Honestly, it’s a little bit overhyped. But it’s fine if you want something really dramatic and erotic, not too deep and no thoughts behind. Basically very little plot on p*rn! It toxic, obsessive and a little bit bloody as well, but nothing that light hearted people wont be able to digest I believe.
The artstyle is still beautiful, but has gotten a little bit simpler over the chapters which is usual.
Yeah but I mean that’s like someone who never watched a Marvel movie and asks if they’re any good and someone goes… yeah Iron Man dies to save everyone. Like you can give your opinion without revealing spoilers ya know?
If I knew iron man was just going to die at the end I would appreciate that they gave me this information so I didn’t have to waste my time watching it then being disappointed later
Bruuuuh that’s not the point. If someone asks if something is worth reading… they’re not asking for plot spoilers. They’re asking about the quality of the story.
idk why you’re so bothered when OP hasn’t even said anything
I’m not bothered. Can people just have normal convos without getting all pissy because they have a difference of opinion? Like if you want to be THAT person who spoils things for people… do you boo. Lol
u sound bothered wym
You can give an opinion with revealing spoilers but one would wonder how good would those opinions be.
“ this was good until he shot the uke and then didn’t even let him recover properly that actually made me so mad because it ruined the whole thing for me when I really liked it at first”
Vs
“This was good until an event happened that actually made me so mad that it ruined the whole thing for me when I really like it at first. “
Okay. I get their feelings previously and after something happened. If I read the story. I would be always guess which event it was.
If I was asked about how good was the marvel movies I would start explaining something and revealed some spoilers. The one thing I would say is the first one does seem to drag as many walked out of the theater before it picked up. The first one focuses on forming the team and getting to know them.
Sometimes the spoilers can help them understand and peak their interest more.
Sorry I would had said something sooner. I had to travel.
I gave free range. I asked for others opinions and I didn’t say anything about spoiler-free. It is kind of hard to express your opinions about the story without using the details.
I hope you don’t mind me using your opinion for that example. I would think it would be hard for you to express yourself without trying to spoiling.
Some people would mind the spoilers. I guess I could had put spoilers welcomed. It is good to ask too.
Okay. How good are the marvel movies without spoilers and try to get someone one interested into watching them.
A few of my friends are into toxic stories. I have not read many. Thanks for the insights. I don’t know if I like hating toxic semes. I read a few and I hated their actions but I don’t have a great hatred towards them. I have see many people who have. So they like hating the seme?
It is definitely an interesting point. Thanks for the feedback
Thank you for sharing. That was insightful. Have you considered writing reviews or something? You put lots of depth into that short paragraph. Omit a few words and it would be better. Though it did add some character.
After reading everything…. Unlike when I first commented are you here to start troubles?
I meant you went for Kamisama and you didn’t respond to me.
So give me your opinion on this story with out spoiling it. Try to have a normal conversation and tell me your opinion.
Yeah he was def toxic the whole time but it was readable ig? My bars are pretty low after all those psychological horrror bls so I'm just glad he didn't say any "leave me and I'll break your legs" until that point.
Then he sorta did just hoped he would apologize but guess that was too much to ask
What’s the point of reading or watching anything if the plot is just going to be spoiled? There’s no joy, intrigue, or awe of experiencing something for the first time if you already know what’s going to happen. Not to get too deep… but that’s partly the beauty in living life. The adventure of making choices based on the unknown and enjoying the journey as you go through life learning. It’s why humans love, explore, and try turn thought into reality… the unknown possibilities of “what could be”.
The seme in this yaoi is pretty hateable as the people in this chat see to . I don’t think anyone signed up to hate on him in the beginning it just sorta happened the minute he started doing questionable things. However, I’m pretty neutral when it comes to this seme probably because I’m desensitized to this type of yaoi/plot cause there are so many like this one. I think it’ll really come down to you whether you tolerate him or not since a lot of the time toxic semes tend to ruin stories for people.
The point of asking people their opinion isn’t to try convincing them to watch or not watch something based on giving spoilers or not. The point is to provide an feedback on the quality of the story to let the person know IN YOUR OPINION if it’s worth investing time to read or watch. Because someone who’s biased and hates something could give you a spoiler in hopes to sway you to dislike it as well. For example… my friend hated Madam Web. They said the villain is terrible and ruined the movie with every scene they were in. That’s a subjective opinion provided without spoiling the movie for me if I was interested in still watching it.
https://www.shatteringthesilence.org/blog/identifying-a-rape-apologist#:~:text=%E2%80%9CRape%20Apologist%E2%80%9D%20is%20an%20umbrella,race%2C%20ethnicity%2C%20or%20age.
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None of this fits to my friends and my comments. The trolls impersonating me are embarrassing themselves.
Identifying A Rape Apologist
“Rape Apologist” is an umbrella term for someone who for someone who blames survivors, has a general disbelief in allegations of assault, and participates in the normalization of sexual violence. They can be any person of any gender identity, sexuality, race, ethnicity, or age. While the term make evoke an image of a particular group or type of person, in reality, anyone can be a rape apologist. A rape apologist is not just someone who is outwardly aggressive towards survivors who speak out or someone who makes sexually harassing comments, they are also someone who is apathetic or tolerant towards sexual violence. One either participates in upholding or dismantling rape culture.
Reluctant to Believe Survivors
When they hear about allegations of sexual assault, they immediately ask for proof and claim that the perpetrator is "innocent until proven guilty.”
Why is this a problem? Immediately demanding proof demonstrates that one has an inherent disbelief of survivors and needs to be proven otherwise. While innocent until proven guilty is a good method for our legal system, it is not supposed to be a tool that we rely on in order to demonstrate our support for survivors. Most survivors do not report, and most of those that do report do not get their day in court to prove that the perpetrator is guilty.
Making Excuses
When they or a friend get accused of inappropriate behavior, they shrug it off, downplay it, and insist that the person who committed the act is a good person.
Why is this a problem? No form of sexual violence should be downplayed or ignored and all survivor experiences are valid. Additionally, part of breaking down rape culture is understanding that anyone can be capable of sexual violence; there is no quality that someone can have that absolves them of any guilt. Someone can be a good person to you and be abusive towards someone else.
Definition of Consent
They have a distorted view on how to give and receive consent and deny that certain behaviors are sexually abusive.
Why is this a problem? Someone cannot participate in dismantling rape culture if they do not know what behaviors are wrong. Not only will not understanding consent result in sexual violence, but it will cause them to be dismissive towards acts of sexual violence they hear disclosed.
False Allegation Panic
They wrongly believe that false allegations are a serious threat to them or others and overestimate the prevalence of false allegations, resulting in an inability to provide support to survivors.
Why is this a problem? It is false. False reports are extremely rare. Widely reported statistics put the estimated number of falsely reported assaults at 2-10%. But even this is an overestimation, because a rape has to be reported first in order to be considered falsely reported, and 90-95% of survivors do not report their assault. Therefore, that statistic only applies to 5-10% of assaults, putting the real statistic closer to .5% of disclosures of assault (Heaney 2018).
Reactivity
They get more upset about allegations that they believe are false than allegations that are proven to be true.
Why is this a problem? As mentioned above, false allegations are extremely rare and it is statistically unlikely that a survivor who is disclosing to you is not telling the truth. When someone gets more angry about allegations that they suspect are false than they do over true and proven acts of sexual violence, it demonstrates that they find false allegations of sexual assault worse than sexual assault itself. In reality, sexual violence is a pervasive and undeniable fact that plagues all societies around the world and the extremely low rate of false accusations does not compare in its social impact.
Victim-blaming
They engage in typical victim-blaming behaviors such as asking whether the survivor was drinking or what they were wearing.
Why is this a problem? Victim-blaming is essentially telling survivors that they took actions to deserve or expect their assault. No survivor EVER deserves or invites sexual assault. Engaging in this behavior demonstrates that one finds victims more responsible for their assault than the assailant.
Distorted Views of Sexual Violence
Their understanding of sexual assault does not go much farther than the dark alley stranger stereotype. they have a hard time believing sexual assault that occurs between partners.
Why is this a problem? Sexual violence rarely happens in the ways it is potrayed in the media and almost always involves someone that the survivor knows.
Objectifying Others
They overly sexualize people around them and make inappropriate comments to the person's face or behind their back.
Why is this a problem? This is sexual harassment, which is a form of sexual violence.
Do Not Employ a Zero Tolerance Policy
They continue to associate themselves with friends and acquaintances who have allegations of sexual violence. Additionally, they continue to support celebrities who have allegations against them. They continue to surround themselves with these abusers even after the allegations have been proven. While they may state that they are trying to remain neutral, neutrality only benefits those who are causing harm, not receiving it.
Why is this a problem? Survivors often cannot rely on the traditional justice system to hold the assailant accountable. As a result, they rely on social justice from their friends, family, and peers to hold them accountable by denouncing the behavior on a zero tolerance policy. Sexual violence is never okay and it can never be swept under the rug.
I don’t see that in your comments at all. I don’t see quoting research from sex experts there. These trolls are threatened by being exposed and they know you proved them wrong
OMG! I am so threaten I have to support my friends who are impersonating you because I can't handle the facts. I have to make questions and topics to defaming you. I have to pout and be a pos.
Exactly.
Them (bullies/trolls/haters): (for how they see us standing with research and facts: )
'JK is a rapist' = opinion
'JK is not a rapist but a sexual abuser' = opinion
But we have said the story says he is not a rapist but you can view it as rape.
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How they (bullies/trolls/haters) handle a different opinion.
'JK is a rapist' = Absolute fact (raging, fuming, and seething)
'JK is not a rapist' = you need mental help because I can't handle others's opinion.
Jaekyung is a rapist. Attack attack attack degrade degrade.
Then they say you see nothing wrong with it. (Introducing the third view.)
IT MUST BE JK IS A RAPIST OR I PUNISH YOU! I CALL YOU NAMES THAT MAKES ME LOOK INGORANT AS I MISSUSE TERM AND TRY TO FORCE MY OPINIONS ON YOU. I WILL DEGRADE YOU. Then I and others will pretend I did nothing wrong and when I am called out I will make it look like an attack and you are in the wrong.
-Lends to the side to peek out behind the door.. Um are you okay? lets back away from that hostility. Who needs the mental help? Who can't accept an opinion? And who is ignoring their behavior and gaslighting others behavior.
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REALITY:
Jk is a rapist = opinion
Jk is not a rapist but a sexual abuser =opinion
Jk is not a rapist and there is nothing wrong with his actions = opinion.
This and that opinion. There are more.
We are saying with the facts, story, and research. It is a fact he is not a rapist but you can view it that way. We are not sharing our opinion. We are defending the ones who share their opinion who is attacked for having a different opinion. We use evidence to support the truth. We have solid grounds for that conclusion
We are saying everyone should respect each other's opinions. We have stood up when others are attacked for having a different opinion. We never attacked or insulted anyone besides in pretending. If you feel insult, it was probably the reverse psychology we used and you felt insult from what you were doing to us.
We called people out for their bad behavior. What we have stood against is the attacks, not the opinions.
When have I shared my opinion on Jaekyung, Jinx, or whatever. You get Jaekyung is toxic but not how I view him. I never said much about Jinx. I have said I don't read toxic stories much. My opinion could be the first time is rape but Jaekyung did not know. ( a fourth opinion in how to see this. There are more).
You will never know my real opinions. They don't matter as I stand with the facts. The gaslighting from cyberstalkers and trolls don't matter either.
Stop. Cyberstalking is a crime. We said it before. Now it is clear it is cyber stalking. We don't want any contact from them. We want them to stop and stop harassing others, especially the ones impersonating us. Or we will report this.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/15488220/
Objective reporting is meant to portray issues and events in a neutral and unbiased manner, regardless of the writer's opinion or personal beliefs.
—— research (This is facts and don't make anyone a rape apologist for quoting it. This is not my opinion or belief. Just truth. The Cyberstalkers impersonating me are misusing rape apologist and looking ignorant. Look up rape apologist. ^^ )
https://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/rape/rape-fantasy-does-it-mean-you-want-to-be-raped
“Human sexuality experts emphatically state that rape fantasy is not wrong, but healthy and normal.”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-myths-sex/202003/why-are-rape-fantasies-so-common?amp
“As you can see, forced sex fantasies have a rich psychology behind them and people may have these fantasies for wildly different reasons. In many cases, these fantasies don’t have a deeper meaning beyond someone just having an active imagination, a desire for sexual thrills, or a penchant for domination and submission. However, in other cases, they may have their roots in coping with trauma.”
https://metro.co.uk/2017/11/29/why-do-half-of-women-have-fantasies-about-being-raped-7099630/amp/
“In real-life contexts, rape – meaning sex against your will – is deeply traumatising. It’s not at all ‘sexy’. It’s an intense violation that causes high levels of distress.”
https://medium.com/sexography/can-we-fantasise-about-raping-people-687c1e296dfc
“And it’s incredibly important to note that while rape fantasies are common, this does not mean that women secretly want to be raped. There is a huge difference between acted out role-play, imagined scenarios, and real-life experiences. No one asks to be raped, no one deserves to be raped, and how common forced sex fantasies are in no way justifies unwanted sexual contact of any nature.
After research on the subject, psychologists and sexologists agree today that those fantasies are very common, completely healthy, and reveal a core element in female eroticism.
First of all, there is an important distinction between such fantasies and an actual rape experience. In no way does having the fantasy imply a desire to be raped in real life. Psychologist Michael Castleman, in his article Why Do Women Have Rape Fantasies? on Psychology Today, dismisses as obsolete the view that fantasies always reflect wishes. Therefore, women who have rape fantasies do not actually want to be coerced into sex.”
https://www.nowtolove.com.au/amp/health/sex/why-women-read-erotic-fiction-17262
“ Yet the role played by erotic fiction and fantasy is an important one, says sexologist and director of Sexology Australia, Elaine George. "Erotic fiction, in particular, enables a woman to get carried away with her sense of imagination and imaginary play," she says.
"That imaginary play can be with a lover. It can be with multiple lovers. And it can be inventing a scenario that enables her to become erotically charged.”
She may NEVER want to be with multiple lovers or could be against it in reality.
“ Why do women read erotic fiction?
Distraction and feelings of ease were identified as prime rewards associated with reading erotic novels.”
Research. You proved them wrong by facts. They are threatened
OMG! I am so threaten I have to support my friends who are impersonating you because I can't handle the RESEARCH. I have to make questions and topics to defaming you. I have to pout and be a pos. How dare research be different what I think. Seething. Seething.
I edited this topic. To add
Objective reporting is meant to portray issues and events in a neutral and unbiased manner, regardless of the writer's opinion or personal beliefs.
It is a fight against making this a fascist page (Trolls/haters) where only one opinion is accepted or tolerated vs a safe environment where all opinions are welcomed (us).
We should never engage with these individuals on a POV vs POV battle due to them being unreasonable and being abusive. They will gaslight you like crazy.
We have always stood against the fascists saying "See rape or be a rape apologist needing professional help" due to they think the other is ignoring the rape that they see. They can see rape but stop attacking those who are aligned with the story better. If we reverse it no one is calling them a rapist for adding rape to this story. The times we used it were just reversed psychology and normally a question to get them to see what they are doing to us. No, they just think we are calling them a rapist and lash out. Some have lashed out by creating about 6 accounts to impersonate us.
We treated them as readers and tried to work it out to where they made TM, another reader, and someone part of the fandom, a joke.
They have to make anyone a Jaekyung stan and attack them. They always go against the story and make up their own details. This in itself says they know they are wrong and are just here to attack the fandom to make this a fascist place. If you are a Jaekyung stan, that is okay. Attacking someone being a Jaekyung stan is wrong. Making people a Jaekyung stan to attack them is very telling.
We are saying it is sexual assault, sexual coercion, sexual abuse, and abuse. I have many comments saying Jinx is non-con but not rape. They make it where we have seen none of that. This shows there are multiple POVs and how unreasonable they are.
I have stayed here to step in when the fascists attack others then they make it a POV vs POV. They have made other readers characters in the book to attack. They have made their attacks on someone as if it was Jinx. Some of them are toxic and violent.
Now my friends and I hit celebrity status and our adoring fans, they love my friends and me so much that they make about 6 accounts to be my friends and me. They love it when you don't give them attention. I feel so special and loved.
Boy, the trolls...I mean fans.. love me. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
Maybe we can throw a stick?
If we stop like they want us to you are next. They will go after you and keep this a fascist page. If you stand up to them in the wrong ways, you will go through what we have been through. Forgive us for trying to reason and treat trolls/cyberbullies as human beings who can change their behaviors. We are going to still step in but we are going to ignore their rants and spewing garbage until they can treat others with respect and stop making this a fascist place. We did value their opinions now we don't
Thanks for the explanation!
I edited that and did not see the reply.
You are welcome. We have said this is not a pov vs pov. But never really explained it besides saying we are standing up against attacks or against this "See rape or be a rape apologist needing professional help". I think it is time for people to know and it should be obvious now reading some of the troll comments as us saying they want us to shut up.
Here are some of the times I said it was not a pov vs pov. But I guess I never explained it that way or what it is about that well. Thank you Empowered Guardian!
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14560363/
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14560544/
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14546703/
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14543142/
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14230866/
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14226757/
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14220904/
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14214000/ At the end of this one "Guess what. There is no forcing people into this. Stop forcing people into your pov."
We never forced anything on them. We said it as a fact and without conditions.
These the real users.
Bumping this up. The ones impersonating you have some serious beef with you. It is all about you and your friends. They do know you are different people. Their gaslight is through the roof and they are blind. Levi is lying about you and me. She wrote explaining what she and her friends would do. They never understood why I did this. I was not trying to be them or troll Levi. I was not trolling. They have to stop harassing you over nothing but their beef.
Bump.
What if he is worse than Jaekyung? ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
you have a point and i’m afraid of it
I don't think anyone can be worse than Jaekyung haha especially after the gift
The loan sharks are worse.
So a man-child that can't handle his feelings who has a hangover and learned Dan's odd behaviour was about him. He lashes out in anger and hides his other feelings.
In what chapter does he murder Dan's family? What chapter does he chock Dan to where he passes out? What chapter is it where he beats Dan? What chapter is it when he kidnaps Dan and confides him in one room? Where did he make Dan eat puke or dog food? where it is he is cutting Dan with knives?
Jaekyung is toxic but he is on the shallow end of the pool. He has a temper, bad attitude, and bad behavior like in chapter 34.
But he could be much worse.
I don't hate Jinx or Jaekyung. You are talking to someone who is more neutral and who is not over-critical of Jinx or Jaekyung.
Yeah... me too.... (●￣(ｴ)￣●)
Dan has been through enough.
Don't waste too much time with https://www.mangago.zone/home/people/3690382/home/
They are a troll impersonating me and projecting their ideas onto my beliefs and character to defame me. The trolls have created like 6 accounts to impersonate my friends and me because they care about the facts I post. They attack me without listening. I call them out and they get offended when they should be looking at their actions that made me call them out. If they were civil they would not hate or care about me to go to extreme measures. I have caring fans.
I am avoiding them for their pettiness but feeling sorry for them.
This started about February 8 or 9 to now.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/15394249/
Is a hostile 14-year-old who knows what is going on but pretending it was the situation in November that they caused.
I wished I could vote. I have to switch to my other account.
That will not and won’t be on Jinx. lol
I don't know if I can read the next few chapters. My dad was just diagnosed with advance stomach cancer. sigh.....
sending all the best wishes to you, your dad and your family, i imagine its going to take a lot of strenght to get through those hard days but remember! theres no rainbow without rain! i hope he gets all better!
Woah. Enjoy every little moment you can have together. Cherish every seconds. I wish he doesn't suffer to much. Take care, dear <3
Mangago had a glitch.
Thank you. I hope he does get better too.
Thank you. I will. I hope not either. I hope it gets better with Chemo. He has been hospitalized twice and had 9 units of blood already within 3 weeks. It is scary to see him so weak. I had never seen someone as weak as he had been.
I wish the same thing. Thank you so much.
I hope he gets better soon. Maybe the cancer has not spread. I hope the bleeding will stop. Lots of prayers and love your way.
I can tell you when it is save to read with highlights.
It was a hug emoji xd I really have nothing much to say about it. But I wanted to give you a little comfort. Hugssss
Hope you and your family can get through it all, with all the strength and love
Since February 7 there have been like 6 accounts impersonating me. So don't interact with them.
If you look at the profiles. My account is older. The others are fake and not me.
One thing to know is if it is hostile and degrading you or others, that is the troll and not me. They are trying to defame me and my friends because we use facts and the actual story that proves their "opinions" *cough* hate *cough* wrong.
This is the only account I can access https://www.mangago.zone/home/people/3526299/home/
Join on: October 7, 2023
I have a second one but I can't log in to it. Don't believe their gaslighting. Please ignore them. They are being the villain here.
I am sorry this is happening to you. It has been over 2 weeks you would think they would have common sense to stop. Who does this for over 2 weeks?
They are villains here.