Yari's Topics (33)

Enjoy it as much as you want. But this story is just as stupid as most stories.

Just because the art style is different and the setting is different, it doesnt mean it’s more realistic. This one is full of clichés.

IKR!! this manhwa is really good!!

Not really tho, I've seen cliché but I don't see them in this one. Can you enlighten me? Most are so predictable and unrealistic but this one isn't..

The writing is realistic. Feels like you can understand each character and what they're going through but to each their own

Chang is a cliché antagonist. He likes our MC but due to his cliché brain his love turned into *lets give him a debt and treat him like shit*.

Ed is the usual nonsense stupid/nonsense MC. All these years he has been indebted to Chang due to a tricky deal and he still don’t hate Chang, thats our usual *can’t hate people* MC.
And now Ed blame McQueen as if McQueen ever forced anyone to do porn. + after blaming McQueen, Ed goes to become a prostitute.
Basic Nonsense Cliché Uke.

So many men are mesmerized by Ed. Ukes are always are a turn on for any men in cliché yaois.

This whole story’s drama is based on Chang cliché *i’m doing bad stuff for no reason* and Ed cliché *i had a huge argument with McQueen because my brain died*.

ok explain why Chang put a debt on Ed and explain how can Ed blame McQueen and then go prostitute himself.

LoL ! Please summe-up every story like thiss. Your words are GOLD

Thanks. I put all my heart while reading yaois so when the authors betray my feelings with these bad clichés, it hits me hard xD.

It is like they got a book: how to write a yaoi?

Step 1- have a big misunderstanding that can be solved in one sentence

Step 2- the uke should be the only one who does not understand what goes on, only making the simple misunderstanding bigger

Step 3- create a desirebale Seme who will get sick of the uke or too needie

Step 4- have a hot protogonist who isn't really bad. He love the uke but he diesn't know how to express his feeling so rape is the sulotion

Step 5- the uke needs ti suffer

Step 6- the Idiotic seme now realized the uke is the love of his life ( in happened somewhere betwwen to pages ... )


Step 7- death or happy ebding. One of the both or dying together.



And that's how you write a Yaoi my dear.


But i actually like this one very much:))))

After reading the spoilers, i lost interest in this story. The art is good, the men are sexy but i was invested so i dont wanna continue because it’s just not to my taste.

I don’t mind uke raped if i’m not invested. I’m just going through the pages *well this sucks....* and continues but this one i had hopes so it kinda depressed me knowing it will just get bad.

Because humans are flawed and all have different personalities and ways of thinking shaped by a multitude of things. Also didn't Ed just explain his thought process in the latest chapter? Also the writing is literally the best writing in yaoi name another with the same eloquence

Chang's reasoning is yet to be explained but he's clearly been punishing Ed for his self hatred over lusting over him and having feelings for him

Also ps. OG comment never said it wasn't cliche so idk why you're ranting in this thread lol should have just started your own

Because the comment said *unlike other yaoi/manwhas this one feels so real* which i disagree, because it’s full of unrealistic clichés

Lol if that is an explanation for what chang did. Then you can just use that for everything that happens in all stories.

Now all stories are super realistic and the authors are just so good at making characters.
It’s just that their characters are flawed but thats how humans are... GG

Feel free to like his character, remains the fact he is the cliché bad guy *i love the MC so ill just fuck up his life* because authors wants drama.

Oh and i didn’t read last chapter but I honestly don’t think his reasoning will even make sense. He either realized he was wrong or he will bring some kind of weird and vague reasons.

Ok i just read the latest chapter to see Ed’s thoughts. But that’s still crap dude.

He pretty much still thinks McQueen is responsible (LOL) but he still wants McQueen. Thats some bullshit logic. He doesn’t even want to apologize. He is just like Chang, full of contradictions.

Read Painter of the night? Gotta good feeling about that one....

Of course he feels that way, his life is pretty much ruined but that doesn't mean his feelings for McQueen are over... how is that so hard to understand. Life is not black and white

hmmm i mean everyone has their own opinion on things, its not like we have the same exact tastes on stories, plots or whatnots. Beepbopp has a point of it being cliche and all, but isn't it what makes it feels real ? Our life IS full of cliches, since our actions has been repeated several times from past times making it overused, we just don't or we have realize this thought but left it as that since thats how our life is.

oml im rambling wtf.
but really.. its nice that everyone has their own opinion and not afraid to say it. if you love reading this manhwa then pls continue doing so and if you dont enjoy reading this manhwa, there are tons of manhwas out there waiting to be read by you ;)). You might find ur real husbands out there. uwu

Ciaooo~

I actually agree to this one, of course a part of him blames McQueen for it but partly je feel guilty for blaming him becuase he genuinely love McQueen thats why he still wants to

thats why he still wants to be with him.

Well I won't defend that but they could have meant the writing felt very realistic to actual thoughts. Most yaoi is missing that. Also character depth.

Many humans are full of contradictions lol. He's not perfect and recognizes he took it out on McQueen but still couldn't muster an apology/still was wrestling with blame guilt etc. Very human. How many yaoi describe character emotions to this extent? I can sympathize/empathize with his feelings. I've been there in an argument with misplaced blame and being too stubborn emotional or partially right to go back and say sorry. I won't comment about Chang because I'm not that dark a human to understand him and would need more of his thought context. But he is a very self loathing human. I still think his villian character will have more fleshed out

Though I think Chang is hot I can't objectively like him and don't know much about him. Didn't say he wasn't cliche but most stories do have that. I don't think they've gone into depth with his intentions yet so it's too early to play semantics on his character

Yes of course well have some contradictions and also people will do random stuff that makes no sense.

BUT i would never blame someone for my own choices. There’s a limit of contradictions where its normal and where it’s overused for the sale of drama. Also the lenght(wtf how to write this) if time. If Ed blamed McQueen and then the next day tries to apologies, i would accept it as him just hating on everyone for what happened. BUT even after the heat of the moment, he still blames McQueen and thinks he is right.
And yet, he has a debt because of Chang but he still wish to be brother-like with him and can’t come to hate him. Meanwhile he blames McQueen for being a disgusting horrible person that pimped him out. And he hates McQueen. G fucking G

In the end, this is only happening because the author wanted to make more drama and for that, she needed to separate McQueen and Ed for some time.

EXACTLY. THIS.
Ngl I was hooked at 1st season but then the author just decide to throw all kinds of cliche in the 2nd part. Too much unnecessary drama and headache.

I read the spoiler and Chang will eventually ra ped Ed which's another cliche box ticked and isnt it ironic that almost half the comments are thirsty for Chang and a while ago people complained about how boring Mq is lmao at least he never force people to have sex without their consent and Eds reasoning is total garbage.

I think you're not taking the time to sympathize with his actions so they seem like just a plot point or nonsensical to you. But it is possible to have an opinion based on your emotions and hold onto that or be in denial or feel justified or feel stubborn for more than a day - your argument is very much from your own perspective and how you would deal with a situation. You are not him. I disagree with your full point here because it is made entirely from your personal standpoint and not the character. I think you're too dismissive so I can't agree that what you're saying makes sense

I talked as myself to make you understand people from the real world dont act the same as a manga.

If Ed was porotrayed a character that always blames others for his actions, i would think it’s normal because some people could be like that and that would be his character. But on the contrary Ed was protrayed as someome who can’t let go of the people he loves and wont blame them (he doesnt even hate Chang despite getting tricked into a high interest and losing years of his life for it). But the he blames everything on McQueen.

And of course, after breaking up with McQueen for such a stupid reason (because McQueen isn’t at fault)
1. He gets recruited as a prostitute and he accepts.
2. Chang now realize he loves Ed or idk whay revelation he has
3. Chang rapes Ed

And now that we finished this nonsense drama.
Ed will go back with McQueen.

Can’t you see that the author just used anything only to bring up her rape, because thats her fetish.

And once the rape is done, she will bring back the story and solve the drama.

calm down lol all of you are actually right to some extent, but you really don't see past yourself. Just bc you wouldn't blame him in that situation, doesn't mean somebody else wouldn't. Personally, I love how mc dished out everything and he had the right to do it in my eyes, even if you don't see it and, yes, I dislike him doing porn in the first place. He was just blinded with love before and then hit with the harsh reality, so his reaction is normal. Also, somebody needed to call mq out bc, let's admit it, he is full of bs, but so are all the other characters in one way or another, since they are cliches. Just like people in real life. Literally, ryan is the most understandable, since he is completely fed up with all the bs going on.

And yet Ed never hated Chang for the nice backstab and pretty much act as if Chang hasn’t done much. But he gets disgusted by McQueen and blame all on him.

Lol you act like one argument and venting of emotions is a person's entire perspective on another person. Maybe you've never had an argument or resentment that turned into a sour conversation that went too far? But there were some true feelings bottled up and mixed with that so it's hard to take it back. And you're still led by emotion so it takes a while to clear your mind. For Ed his whole life has felt so futile and hopeless he took a part of that out on McQueen for his part in it. Ed never wanted to do porn but felt at some point it was a way out of his debt. A lot of his feelings of bitterness and resentment are from his whole life bottled up towards Chang and vented at McQueen. Also maybe he's had disdain for porn and is venting that as well. Your explanation and reasoning is very one dimensional. His feelings towards Chang are even more complicated but he definitely has a mix of sad loss of relationship and hatred and unless you know Korean and know what was said in the raws your explanation of what happens is such a biased picture of how you see it since you scoff at this story. Anyway stop reading since you find the story nonsensical

I never said the story is awful or like that, I’m only pointing out why i find it cliché.

I am not being sentimental in my arguments, i’m just pointing out what I saw.

My whole point is the lack of realism(or common sense) in the whole drama.

You seem to think that Ed and Chang are acting pretty normal, that this is a common thing for people to act like that. Maybe you actually did something similar hence why you take is as something realistic. Or maybe you know many people who act like that.

And honestly, if all the readers find it realistic, then the author made a good job trying to make a realistic story for her audience.

Well circling back to before you're lacking sympathy of the characters actions and seem to not see the sense in them when it makes sense and does happen in real life. No this did not happen to me but I've had the experience of bottling my feelings and expressing them in a poor manner and regretting my choice of phrasing but still wanted to discuss the issues I was actually upset about. What is not realistic did you even read my last reply lol. I'm done with this though good luck with your perspective on this. I never said it wasn't cliche but all the most popular works on here are cliche just like pop songs you write for fanbase too

So you are saying you do understand Chang?

i can half heatedly understand why Ed acted that way but i had hoped that it would only be in the heat of the moment (but somehow he still is mad at McQueen even now). And you are talking as it Ed didn’t express himself the way he wanted. I dont think so, since his talk with Ryan made it clear he thought everything he told McQueen, but he feels like shit because still loves McQueen (even though he thinks McQueen is trash/disgusting/manipulative)

But the annoying point of all this is that, these foolish acts were entirely the source of the whole drama in this story.
The whole debt thing : because Chang *mixed feelings*
And the upcoming rape : because Ed blamed everything on McQueen and ended up prostituing himself.

I wouldn’t mind some foolish acts if they weren’t influencing on the story much, but on the contrary the whole thing is about that. So i find it a poorly made plot when the path is made that way.