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I know right, all of this was so unnecessary, idk what the author wanted to say with this but the story could've go on without that perfectly lol

Exactly.. the sleeping around was totally unnecessary to the plot. It’s unfortunate that in the yaoi world sleeping with someone other than the one u love / like is considered casual or even a necessity as a cure for loneliness. What baffles me is that most mangakas r women with target audience as women, and yet they can’t fathom that cheating & casual sex just spoils it for most of us. I would rather watch a yaoi without these. They r more fulfilling for me as a reader. Sigh!!!

I agree with you I also dont like the sleeping around thing ugh, but unfortunately the sleeping around as a cure for loneliness or even for w/e other reason happens a lot in real life too, not only in Yaoi world. At least here in my country people sleep around like its nothing, cheating is also normal here sadly

Oh is that so? It just breaks my heart. I have lived a pretty straight life and don’t have ppl like that around and hence my exposure to such is limited. I m not sure I should take pride in that though coz there’s a saying ‘straight trees r cut first’. I know these things happen everywhere, even my country but I would rather it didn’t. I might be an optimist but I hope ppl don’t sleep around coz they r lonely. Everyone is lonely at some point particularly when we r unhappy.
May I ask which country r u from? It’s ok if u don’t want to ans.

Im from Brazil, here people sleep around without a reason, wich means its even worse than youre imagining, they dont need an exacuse like "oh I did it cause I was feeling lonely" they just do it. My father cheated on my mother since the day they got married till the day they divorced. My brother cheats his wife, my uncles cheat their wives, but guess what? They all "devoted christians", they all believe in Jesus and all. I feel sad for them, really. All in all men are far worse than woman here in this aspect, 90% of men here cheats, women cheating rate its lake 30% id say...so yeah to people here when they are engaged sleeping around means nothing, imagine when they are single. They do it in the shadows, everyone knows they dot it but they pretend not to. Not everyone here is like that, but most people are. Hypocritical christians this is what most people here are, stil there are a few good and honest people here. Out of 10 couples of married people here only 1 dont cheat, its pretty much like this specially among the men, women are most likely to be faithful. Where are you from?

What I want to jump into to their life and say

I knew I shouldn't have looked. I'm so excited to see it

It doesn't really redeem him, but yea, it was a great, unexpected development. I just want them to admit their relationship isn't working anymore and split up. I can't tell why he refuses to let go when this is his real desire.

Younger partner? That guy doesn't look young at all lol

He is younger, Ive read chapter 15 on lezhin, he calls him Hyung so yeah he is younger unless that is a misstranslation. Btw younger does not mean young, a 51 years old guy is younger than a 53 one even so none of them are young XD

great so you're unfulfilled in your sex life, but are still an utter piece of shit.
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Hmmm. Your way of putting it is a bit salacious. Firstly, just because he calls him his hyung, doesn't mean there is an age gap by our standards. There might just be 1 years difference. Also, it's a professional relationship, where he is prostituted in order to secure roles and have influence concerning things like publicity/paparazzi. He doesn't really have much autonomy when it comes to what his sponsor wants to do, only in this scene he prevents him from kissing him, as this is an action he reserves for his partner. The involvement of the sponsor in terms of manipulating the media and securing roles, is still to be uploaded on here. But I thought your comment was rather crass, when you consider how big of an issue prostitution is within their entertainment industry, and that all the celebrities have to present this extremely fake, manufactured version of themselves. The risk of "scandal" is shown in later chapters, where images of Taeyoung and Min-ki hugging are going to be used as ammunition for the sponsor. Min-ki and his partner are aware of the arrangement concerning sponsors, it's not ideal, but it's transparent. It's Min-ki who has "cheated" on is partner by getting off with a colleague that he's just met. Obviously it would be better if Min-ki and his partner were mature enough to accept things have just came to their natural end, for the actor to understand that his sponsorships are frustrating them both, and he can't be so possessive, but such is life...

I would slightly disagree Clouds because it looks like in later chapters Min-ki's partner looks to be initiating and and even calling for these rendezvous's of his own free will with the particular scarred lip sponsor. If there is in fact an open dialogue where Min-ki is aware of his partner's prostitution I would assume his partner would be under a policy of call on services under his management. Meaning he would simply be following orders, or rather have little say in whom he services. The latest chapter 26 and here i'm spoiling things, indicates that he's willing to call this particular sponsor himself to initiate sex. With that in mind I'm under the impression that is not strictly business between the two men. If anything there is definitely emotional cheating, the physical counterpart has yet to be confirmed. Should my theory be correct, Min-ki's partner would be in fact cheating and actually have been cheating for a considerable amount of time longer if he's followed suit with sex with clients on his own terms. I could be completely wrong but this is my interpretation of the situation. Honestly Min-ki should have left the moment he realized his partner would chase his career to such lengths over the stability of their relationship. This is similarly why is on the fence of Dark Heaven. If someone has dream that encompassing and toxic, their decisions are their own free will, and blame falls solely on their decisions. Not on to others. Example you decide to take drugs knowing the consequences and get addicted, you have no one to blame but yourself. While it's likely other celebrities are similarly extorting themselves, the fact that Min-ki has not resorted to these methods and appears to be considerably in demand implies that prostitution is not required of everyone in the business. Min-ki being unfaithful in his turn honestly depends if everything I've mentioned is completely wrong, and that his partner strictly sleeps with others for work and only for work with Min-ki's knowledge. I agree that a mature decision would be to conclude their relationship, but I am the under impression that Min-ki is holding out for a return to the "golden days" and his partner does so out of a need to hold himself above the depths he's sunk so low as an individual. Granted we don't know if Min-ki's partner has any hidden reasons for his actions until further chapters are translated.

" First just because he calls him Hyung doesnt me there is an age gape, there might just be 1 years difference" ?????????????????????????? One year difference IS an age gap, my brother is ONE year older than my thats why im his YOUNGER brother. All I said is that they guy was YOUNGER than him ->> this is what I said : "He has a younger partner "<----- I never said he was 10 years younger nor that he is a YOUNG person nor anything like that I just dont know why its so difficult for you to understand what YOUNGER means. All I said is that he has an younger partner, and for some craaazy reason you assuming I said his partner is decades younger than him or something WTF??? Ive even explained it to you that younger does not equal young. Im sorry but since you dont even know what younger means, you misinterpreted what I said in your own, and then you went all crazy talking about prostitution, sacandal, entertainment industry, wich my post is so NOT related LOL. Calm down on your delusions boy/girl, this post was only about telling people that Min-ki's boyfriend likes to have a dick in his ass wich is 100% true, we can see that he enjoys it quite much. Now what you said about my post being salacious/crass this I respect, its your opinion, you didnt like the way I said it, but baby Im reading porn you better bet Im being salacious, Im gonna say dick Im gonna say ass Im gonna say dick in the ass and by no means I would think Im being disrespectful cause this is an YAOI section not a church. Ive never imagined I would see someone complaining about me being SALACIOUS in a YAOI section hahahahahahhahah LMFAO. Btw I ended my post by saying " this is what I could understand from raws" that implies its not 100% accurate. But seriousy, chill man, just chill this post is not related to why he is doing that, is it right? is it wrong? who is the bad guy? is he to blame?"Oh my gord prostitution in entertainemtn industry is such a serious matter" Noooooooo, this post is so not about this stuff this is only about him liking to have a dick shoved right up the ass, he enjoys it, he make faces, he asks for it and yes Im being lewd,salacious,perverted cause this is yaoi. So just chill, ok? And I hope you finally understand what younger means, cause even between twins there is an older one and a younger one.

One more thing : about me calling him a Cheater wich as I could see you dont agree since you said " its Mink-ki who has cheated" this implies you dont think his boyfriend is cheating. Yes he is a cheater In chapter 9 they both had a serious talking about the "sponsors screwing thing" and his boyfriend knelt down before him and said "this was the last time", "it wont happen again" and yet he did it again. Did Min-ki cheated on him too? Why did his boyfreind also cheated again? Is it hard to stop cheating? Can he easily break off from his sponsors?What is the reason for all this? Sorry but this post is NOT related to any of it, find another Clouds. This post is about Min-ki's seme cheating boyfriend that loves to have a dick in his tight ass, actually I dont even think its that tight anymore considering the dimension of the dildo he shoved in on chapter 21. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

This is also how I see things. its obvious his boyfreind has been cheating on him for a long time, for many reasons, money, favors, career and Id even say pleasure. like you said Min-ki dreams that they can still go back to how they were in the beggining of their relationship wich is impossible now. Also you said this -> "While it's likely other celebrities are similarly extorting themselves, the fact that Min-ki has not resorted to these methods and appears to be considerably in demand implies that prostitution is not required of everyone in the business" this is so true I couldnt agree more, his boyfriend chose that path, He couldve chose the hard way wich as we all know most of the times dont lead to success, maybe he would never be famous at all(90% chance), maybe he would (10% chance) we dont know but instead he chose the path that would almost ceartainly lead him to success, by sleeping with his sponsors. This decision ruined their relationship for good. But tbh I dont want to talk about any of this stuff in this post, its non related, I know you only answered to Clouds so you didnt do anything wrong, its fine. My opinion about this story is similar to yours

The way you put it sounds deliciousヾ(☆▽☆)

Is this a normal thing in k pop or j pop that you have to sell yourself physically to rise in the ranks...

believe me it is soooo delicious, youll love it, He says things like "Hurry" "Harder" "Youre inside where no one else can be" SO fucking HOT, cause I would never expect a guy who seems to be the typical yaoi 100% seme to say those things. I dont even care about the main couple at this point LOL. Btw it seems the younger guy who fucks him likes him for real ( Im not sure yet, but it seems so). Its chapter 15 btw. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

Say what?!

I do, gosh,, I cant ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄ just like what you said, It was so yummy I can't handle it

me tooXD
I was reading some other BL, when this scene pooped into my mind. Had to reread the whole manga just so I could appreciate that scene it full (づ￣ ³￣)づ

nice to see I am not the only one(≧∀≦)

There’s a bonus with an open but much more happier ending.
It’s been posted everywhere in this thread.
https://www.177mh.net/201709/367855.html?page=186#@page=184

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. First things first, it's Jinno who wouldn't stop staring at Eichi and consider how rude it was if someone just wouldn't stop staring at you without planning to initiate a conversation. Of course you would start to wonder just wth is going on inside that person's head. Secondly, Eichi was assaulted but he didn't hate it so much cuz duh it's yaoi you will find it enjoyable even if you are being raped. But the thing is hun, Eichi just didn't understand why would Jinno do that in the first place. Some people are like that, they want a clear clarification. Otherwise there would be only misunderstanding between the parties. And it was clear that he didn't want to become sex friends so he asked Jinno whether or not he loved him. But he was not satisfied with Jinno's answer. Why? Because he was feeling used by Jinno, thought he was only aiming for his body. Nobody likes being used especially if it comes from the one you care about.

1 -> My post is about Slapping, use of violence instead of words for no reason, Change of Behavior. You brought a lot of things up non related to it. So lets focus on it.

Lets Start : There were two situations when Eichi slapped Jino, situation one : *After theyve done a lot of CONSENSUAL perve stuff together (Eichi was enjoying it a lot)* Jino asked for a kiss and then Eichi slapped him hard enough to leave a mark, do you think this is right? Couldnt Eichi just say "No" ?? in what world slapping him on the face is better/ more effective than the use of words in this situation? We live in 21 century there is no need to use violence when words can solve the situation better, you can yell, sue, argue but do not ever make use for violence unless youre in a situation words cant solve. We are no longer vikings, this is so immature (12 years old).

Situation 2 : *they doing consensual perve stuff yet again* Eichi asks if Jinno loves him, he says "I dont know". I ask again in what world slapping is a better solution than talking??? Couldnt he just convey his feelings/ explain the situation to Jinno like he DID later on? Why hit him?He also could just say "get the fuck out", again immature (12 years old).

About the change on his behavior : In chapter one he was proactive,agressive(not in the violent way), resolved. Like I said I liked that Eichi, he had a problem in his hands (Jin's staring) so he went and tried to solve it, then all of the sudden he became wishy washy with toughts like "I cant get near Jinno, I have to stay away from him bla bla bla" even though we all know he liked and ejoyed the night with him, I liked your argument about some people needing confirmation, since Im not one of those people I coudlnt understand, now I can Thanks. But this alone doesnt explain the slapping instead of talking nor why he was trying to avoid Jinno instead of just talk things out like a 20 years old matured person would do instead of behaving like a 12 years old one, avoiding the problem/ trying to solve it through slapping. The only situation where slapping Jinno would be ok is when he was being forceful on chapter 1, but Eichi didint since like you said he was enjoying it. If you still think that slappinp/running from the problem(avoid) is better than talking things out like an adult then Ill just assume we do have different opinions, to me slap people and run away from them is what a 12 years old spoiled little child would do to solve things. Jinno being forcefull in chapter 1 do not give Eichi the right to slap him whenever he wants in other random situatios (he couldve slaped him in chapter one though, since words wouldnt go through and Jinno was making use of force), one mistake will not ever justify another let alone 2 others, also when you "feel used" by someone you do not have the right to hit them EVER, you can put your feelings into words and solve the problem, thats what any matured adult should do.

TL;DR

He was wish washy cause he kept running away from Jinno even thought he knew he liked/enjoyed to be with him, he kept avoiding the situation/problem instead of talking things out like an adult would. All the slapping has no meaning whatsoever since words/talking (like an adult) on both situations wouldve solved the problem waaaaaayyyy better. You free to think that slapping people in -->those two specific situations(since this is what my topic is about) <-- is a better way to solve things than talking, to me an adult would talk things out, a child would hit also an adult would never avoid/run away/hide from anyone they would just talk things out. Talking(Adult) would solve all his problems better than Slapping/hiding(12 years old).

Adult/ matured people solve their problems by talking, they dont use violence, this is what words are for, also they dont run away from their problems they just face them.

Wishy washy childs (12 years old) solve their problems by hiting/slapping people on their faces, play hide and seek with their problems instead of facing them. Thats pretty much what Eichi did : Slap, run, hide, Slap, run, hide until finally in the end he behaved like a proper adult should and conveyed his feelings through words and guees what? Their problem was solved yay! There is no need for slapping/hiding whatsoever. Hitting people especially on their Faces is such a nasty thing to do, its not pretty at all, its just childish. This manga is still good even though Eichi acted like a child most of the times, 4 Stars.

totally agree!! i wrote a similar comment above lol