Read the novel and the dude is a literal psycho, he doesn't feel emotions as normal people do which I mean can't you tell? Lol. Not saying these type of stories can't be good, it's can be fucked up but written well (beast must die is a great fucking example).
BUT THIS STORY! no! I did not like it one bit, janky pacing, really weird development (there is none tbh except uke running away) and the ending was.. meh, the uke goes saint mode, forgive and forget, amen. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Beast must die is good cuz Kirin was also strong and smart also comunicates with Kang mo as much as he can after knowing his mental problems but , where as uke in this one front of psycho seme who can't feel anything test his patience he cry but don't clarify anything and don't tell anything to seme story become messy with psycho or mental illness seme when uke is not strong or smart and just happen to cry at the end as fo readers pov it become fucked up and hateable.
How many more chapters for it to catch up with the novel?
Yea exactly! We love ukes who are strong and can communicate, power bottom!
We are currently in volume 1 chapter 71 and volume 1 has 82 chapters in total, but there is also volume 2 with 84 chapters so yea a lot, not sure if volume 2 is side story or continuation because I stopped reading after volume 1
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
We can't expect for every uke to be like Kirin for every psychopath x normal person dynamics.
Even doctors can't really pinpoint what makes people with ASPD(psychopathy) tick, and why they latch onto a certain person. Kang Mu wanted Kirin because he likes his strong and stubborn streak; for Lee Woo Yeon, it's because he's attached to Choi In Seop's innocence and softness. So, to each his own.
Besides, it's not like Kirin didn't suffer under Kang Mu's control.
But it's not that Kirin wasn't aware , this uke look for escape from his seme meanwhile Kirin look for Kang mo to escape from his misery and his psychopathic tendencies both stories are different Kirin at the end choosed Kang mo himself not that Kang mo kept Kirin as captive he gave him escape in middle of story but Kirin himself come to Kang mo and told wouldn't regret it cuz he helped him lot for his sister revenge, in this one there is no point in revenge uke come with it was useless and no point from the beginning it was selfishness of uke he just wanted a reason to come back to see his crush/love it he can.
Kirin only suffering was that Kang mo would get caught one day by police and will kill himself and will leave him all alone there was no suffering that he rapes or something Kirin initiate and things happne Kang mo was the one suffering while supressing his desire to kill.
"Kirin didn't suffer under Kang Mo", hmm, really...
1. Their first time having sex was dubcon, and in front of the same people who made his sister suffer.
2. Kirin asking Kang Mu several times to stop during the intercourse but KM refused to listen because Kirin made him so horny. Not suffering enough?
3. Kirin dragging his battered body to the clinic to ask for rape kit is not suffering?
4. Kirin having to constantly question his manhood everytime he bends over for KM to f*ck is not suffering enough? Kirin was straight.
5. Is it not a heavy psychological burden being privy to KM's killing tendencies? You dont consider that suffering? Trust me, it can be debilitating, especially if you care for thw person.
6. When KM almost choked the living daylights out of Kirin because he was about to go the deep end "isn't" suffering. Wow.
Kirin can leave anytime he wants--nope! That's not how reality works. Kang Mu orchestrated the entire thing in a way Kirin would be deeply enmeshed with him psychologically. That's why he was constantly testing the "hanging bridge effect" on Kirin.
KM's revenge was for entirely different reason, those POS destroyed and desecrated his perfect club. He could easily kill all 5 without Kirin. Kirin is just another pawn in KM's eyes to have a legitimate reason to kill. Have you forgotten how Kirin struggled with the realization with yow KM can be calculating? Or when he realized KM will never feel normal emotions like a normal person?
Wait Kirin knew what he was getting himself into either he gets fucked by bunch or Kang mo it's not that he didn't know what he is getting himself into and when Kirin enter that club it was sure without Kang mi he wouldn't have survived once he entered that bridge affect Kirin knew and constantly ask Kang mo about it later on u forgoy that the guy who liked Kang mo his mom hated Kang mo too so she would have hurt Kirin later on herself when they kidnapped Kirin and Kang mo goes to save him , kirrin suffering yes but it's not physical it's emotionally for me you are only sympathzing with Kirin is irking me a long Kang mo become empty shell at the end a person whose despite being suppress is same as someone addicted to alcohol or drugs Kang mo would never feel love or anything but yet he still need krin he become his archive wheel , do you revenge happen on flower patles that was one of most crucial moment for Kirin cuz police couldn't give him justice for his sister Kang mo got irritated by those guys he killed and just needed reason to kill them by fullfing his desires that story is entirely different Kirin has his own social circle people to talk and can go outside have a job it's not captive against his will be he wanted to be with him he knew what Kang mo used in him and yet accepted him at the end
Calm down, you're all over the place.
I didn't say I don't sympathize with Kang Mu. What I'm having trouble with is the following:
1. You thinking mental suffering is in no way equal to physical suffering. That's just so wrong.
2. Romanticizing what's between KM and Kirin. Never look at a psychopath x normal person's dynamics with rose-tinted glasses, the reality is far from it.
3. Kirin would have died without KM. Kirin wouldn't even get close enough to the club members if KM did not use him as a pawn.
4. Kirin later accepted the hanging bridge effect. Coming into terms with it does not remove the fact that it was psychological abuse. Oh, but wait, you don't consider mental suffering as true suffering at all ╮(￣▽￣)╭
4. "KM saved Kirin from Mrs. Lim" he got him into that mess in the first place. And KM did not save Kirin out of the goodness of his black heart or his burning passion for him. It's because to KM, Kirin is his property, and so he has the sole right to decide his death or survival--just like a true psychopath.
5. Kirin has a social circle--so, what? Is he going to tell his close friends that his lover a psychopath and he orchestrated the death of 5 people? Pretty sure Kirin has no plans putting the lives of his friends in danger.
6. Lastly, and my biggest pet peeve, victim-blaming Choi Inseop just because he doesn't fit your ideals of a strong bottom. BIGGEST ICK, I'd say.
Look, I don't hate TBMD. I love it, in fact, it's in my top 10 manhwas of all time. Just don't romanticize it too much.
Excuse me I didn't said I victim blame inseop i think u didn't read my comment correctly I said uke here is not strong against his crazy seme that's what makes story miserable and negative in side for readers pov , you think TMBD made to consider one person only both person suffering on their own level but you brag alone Kirin suffering while both of are men in this situation and responsibile for their own situations and conditions oh come on you think i don't know what's mental trauma is biggest trauma for Kirin was to see his sister not getting justice he should get kang mo even punished the judge at the end whom handled the case of sister if u still stick to your so called "mental suffering of Kirin in rape and i victim blaming inseop " read again that seme here also have mental problems his own family didn't contact him for like 5 years after he come back to korea and he has to pretending to be normal to fit onto society to survive but for you "ukes suffering are more important than seme's " i got your so called hypocritical opinion on MENTAL ISSUES
Lol. Touch grass, OP. Something is wrong with your perspective. I bet you're one of those who'd rather freely absolve a psychopath of their doings because they're not right in the head.
I also suppose you know better than those who actually knows what enmeshment is like with people diagnosed with ASPD.
As much as I love KM and Kirin together, we also should acknowledge that Kirin was at a disadvantage. Just like how Inseop is at a disadvantage vs Woo Yeon.
Kirin can leave Kang Mu anytime--yeah, right. The only time Kirin can walk away freely is if KM lets him.
Kang mo never kept Kirin captive , he always put bodyguards around him to keep him safe also when kamg mo strangled Kirin neck he himself decide to have space between them to keep kirmm safe from his own self, you think I m supporting psychopath I m telling that's also mental illness and disability at the same time either they should be kept in hospital or have regular check ups on theri own self , you think I victim blamed which i originally said uke is weak against his crazy seme and story that's why looks miserable may be u need to touch grasses cuz u ain't making any sense cuz you despite reading beast must die don't understand characters much at the end just circulating basic stupid assumptions to satisfy your point which entirely makes no sense from my last comment
You comparing inseop to kirin already proved my point that you missed my words and two stories storyline at the same , inseop don't communicate with his seme despite many times seme ask him questions in story all the time half of time speak in head without using his mouth just keep his mouth shut and start crying seme can't understand him still he do and end up hurting him physically , meanwhile Kirin speak to his mouth and despite what Kang mo capable of doing to him. That's how characters are different from each other yet you still stuck to your mental illness i can't help u on that bro your brain is one own
Uhmm...you need to back read on your first comment bro.
You're the one who compared Kirin and Inseop. How the former was a strong uke vs the latter as weak--literally victim blaming. I, on the other hand, drew parallels regarding their situations.
I suppose Kim Dan from Jinx is another weak uke since he never stood up against Joo Jaekyung?
What do you mean stuck to my mental illness angle? You're the one who literally said we should give KM a leeway because of his condition, a.k.a. romanticize it(⊙…⊙ )
And isn't their personality disorder a major focal point of both story? How they interact, treat, and impact the people around them (especially the ukes) given their condition.
And FYI, Anti-social is a personality disorder, not a mental illness. Get it straight.
Help my brain how? You can't even properly answer well over half of the points I raised.
At this point, I'm not even surprised if I'm talking to a 16 year old.
You know what I commented that to main person why you come in between two people who have same opinion and brag about your opinion while I don't even want it in the first place i don't read jinx so you sound like 16 year old right now cuz u read jinx and drag jinx character here as well which is not even related to two stories wee discussed at all girl get a life obsessive over fictional character's mental health won't give you work and brain I m not 16 year old if u think i m that's your problem not mind ╮(￣▽￣)╭
About my main comment see what I wrote again if u can't read it that's also not my problem again -
Beast must die is good cuz Kirin was also strong and smart also comunicates with Kang mo as much as he can after knowing his mental problems but , where as uke in this one front of psycho seme who can't feel anything test his patience he cry but don't clarify anything and don't tell anything to seme story become messy with psycho or mental illness seme when uke is not strong or smart and just happen to cry at the end as fo readers pov it become fucked up and hateable.
Read last line what I wrote from readers pov it become fucked up and hateable which I simply meant for readers if uke is not strong against crazy seme story become fucked up also.
If you still think I m denying damn girl do some yoga to have good memory
That was a long ass comment only to wind up victim-blaming Choi Inseop because he's not as strong as Kirin without putting into consideration how Inseop was raised.
It's your brain who needs mental yoga, girl. Go get it, it's only free .99
Oh come on your brain still stuck to victim blaming part considering amount of time I m telling you and that's what you come up with? Seriously oh wait I m definitely dealing with kid here now if that's what you think I will let you think cuz I don't deal with teenagers. Damn what a head ache
Lol. I suppose you know better than a person who deals with people with ASPD and is actually married to one.
What you are married person? I mean you married to ASPD person? (⊙…⊙ )
Yes. That's why I raised those points to you. I'm not talking out of my butthole and drawing conjectures.
I'm talking from genuine experience.
Oh I see but i clearly meant it from normal person perspective fiction exist to enjoy we cannot relate everything to reality if we want to see reality we wouldn't be reading fiction in first place..
Sorry if I went off on you, as well.
Let's just both agree that author has done a good job by managing to irritate a lot of readers while keeping us hooked to the story.
On a personal note, dealing with a person with ASPD is never easy. Please be gentle with Inseop, not everyone is Kirin.
I m sorry too cuz I have no experience with person with such personality too..
Read the half novel and my god.. lee has 0 backbone, now I don't how to explain this relationship, it's more like dependence and obsession, lee uses team leader because he gets affirmation and love he has been denied for so long and team leader is obsessed and possessive over Lee (yes this has some borderline rape-ish theme), now a lot of the "yaoi" stories have that theme, sure, but I mean like it's pretty gray story, sex scenes feels painful not just in manhwa even while reading the novel.
It is a twisted relationship that doesn't fall under conventional "romantic" relationship by any means, and personally am not a huge fan of it, one hand this team leader is into bdsm and Lee is like maybe a so-so and this is discussed in the novel as well, where team leader asks lee to try light bdsm- like bro what the fuck? Y'all already started it, done it, but u talk about this now?? Also the pacing, I am sure it isn't the manhwa's fault but how it's written? like Lee opens up about his family issue, the gang rape he suffered and his sexuality crisis and it was.. augh personally I really hated the pacing.
And when I saw the bullshit with his really big opening up scene and then it's followed up by asking to try light bdsm I was like, nahhh. Think I've read enough, the sex scenes are painful enough for me to be skipping to begin with. I did read almost whole lot of main story and nearly finishing it, side note there's also a whole lot of "ordinary romance" stories that I honestly have 0 clue what it's about bc this is being dropped in my special file case named the trash bin, feel free to read it though, maybe these "ordinary romance" is good or something
PLEASE NOTE: IF YOU LIKE THIS STORY, WELL I HAVE 0 ISSUE WITH YOU, I AM JUST GIVING MY VIEWS, PLEASEEEEEEE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT PICK A FIGHT UNDER REPLIES SECTION SOME MANGAGO USERS BE PICKING A FIGHT FOR THE SAKE OF IT (⊙…⊙ )
Man reading this makes me realize how much I miss Shutline (〜￣△￣)〜
broo i was like "this kinda gives my shutline vibes"
Thats what i was thinking haha lol
Robo hand should make sure he needs another one as well! Chop it off! Chop his balls too!
Stories are like combs of honey, layered structure and intricacies make plot and characters more cohesive and sweet to eat.. (or whatever taste you like) but this feels like unwiped ASS! and I know we are 11 chapters in but like what the fuck!?
Nothing about this feels natural or the plot makes a WHOLE lot of sense, also hate hate HATEEEE plots that do the whole "I am straight but that made me gay!" Like imagine a lesbian gets turned straight like that?? Or a gay man by a woman?? Author would have been cancelled agessss ago!
Huuu.. well the chapters are still in progress let's see, personally have 0 hope for this though
ahaha that's funny, but also this manga doesn't seem like it's trying to change the social structure of the world through outstanding storytelling so maybe take it easy for a bit. Just enjoy the art man
Lmaoo did we read the same thing? Am I missing something? What social structure? Also nahhh the art's not bad but it's meh I would rather stare at heaven's official blessing if I wanna admire art (mxtx's works are worth 100 carat diamonds honestly) then again you are right ha.. need to let this manhwa sit, it'll marinate or rot with time
This one :
"Nothing about this feels natural or the plot makes a WHOLE lot of sense, also hate hate HATEEEE plots that do the whole "I am straight but that made me gay!" Like imagine a lesbian gets turned straight like that?? Or a gay man by a woman?? Author would have been cancelled agessss ago!"
You're basically saying the author brought up a sexist trope that is completely untrue, but is trying to make it seem true, you even mentioned they'd get cancelled. That's included in a social structure.
Also yeah, maybe let it sit lol
Sexist and sexuality are different things though? Chapter 8 literally has "I can't believe how turned on I am by a guy. This feels even better than being jacked off by a girl. For some reason I can't push him away" now not saying people don't realize their sexuality through sex, but mean that's it, that's what made him gay, sex and jacking off felt better
It's not sexist as much as this magical change of sexuality with said sexual intimacy. and I personally am fed up with this trope being such a common use, like as a gay man it feels so weird, do they think sex is the only thing that makes us gay?
And I don't know what you mean "not true" yea I am not calling them sexist as much as I'm calling their take on homosexuality as a homosexual man fucking bullshit. And where is the relevancy of social structure in this Convo? And I mean this nicely but what exactly is your point here cause I'm a bit confused? I feel like you are completely misunderstanding my take here.
Adiditionally the consent in this handjob is also outright dubious or nonconsensual. White haired dude lifts off his shirt, plays with his nipples like it's free real estate then zips open his pant like
Like my god! Dude's literally forcing himself on the other guy and yet the one being SA'd goes "ah.. so weird.. a man's making me feel this way" proceeds to sex. I know it's fictional that has dubious consent and even outright SA which is normal in "yaoi" but damn it's still based off of gays. I don't mean to fight with you haha, and I hope I don't come off rude, I think there's been some miscommunication, I no I don't wanna cancel the author (then 90% bl authors would Thanos snap, I'm looking at u jinx) but instead calling out a bigotry plot here
I seem to have struck a nerve, my bad bro I didn't mean to. Take a chill pill and relax, peace
Lol you didn't I am just fluent in yapanese, thanks for the discussion tho have a good day (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I love when ppl are intelligent and kind enough to act like adults and say " we agree to disagree" or just "oh it was a misunderstanding no problem" or "sorry I was on edge It's my bad"
It's too often that ppl start hating each other through comment over a random yaoi...
I love u both ty
It's rare to see a baby be portrayed in a scenario that's not omega verse but god I love how realistic this feels, honestly refreshing
Sorry i think i downvoted i meant to upvote （/TДT)/
You'll forever be the upvote in my heart don't worry *wink wink* BAHAHA
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