why is it always children are blamed for the faults of their parents actions? Why would you do such despicable things to your own half brother when the blames lies entirely on your father's infidelity alone. Oikawa had to have been already a spoiled monster before the existence of a new brother if he can excuse his disgusting actions as justice without a guilty conscience. What an awful person. He deserves never to find love or be loved. It's like the woman we hate the mistress but love their husband despite they being the root pain. I will never understand the insanely skewed logic. I might feel that way because my own father cheated on my mom while she was pregnant with me and produced my half siblings a year before my birth and a year after respectively. My mom did the grown up thing and blamed my father for being trash and not the woman who split them up.
i agree, but in the manga it appears that the mother actually hated the father and left, rather than blaming the woman he cheated on her with.
My point was the son should have taken a note then out of his mother’s notebook if that’s the case. His brother isn’t to blame for his hatred. Oikawa is just a bad person using his tragic position
what's soo sad about this story is that while i'm invested in this. It just makes me feel so uncomfortable that we know that DG and Jiwon will end up together despite EVERYTHING Jiwon has done to DG. I could care less about the parameters of their fwb relationship at this point, Jiwon has emotionally and physical abused (raped count it multiple times) DG and every time DG keeps coming back. A broken heart will never excuse how Jiwon has treated DG as less than human and deserving of any kind of respect. It's heartbreaking to bear witness to domestic violence and know that at the very end of the day DG will go back to his abuser in the name of love. I want yaoi to do better, I really want to be able to continue to read and support wonderful artists like Mingwa but when will it stop trivializing violent scenarios that occur to thousands of people every single day. Yet, how can I feel great about a genre that repeatedly lets me down in providing stories that devalue and disregard the experiences of the very human archetypes these stories center on. To those that say fiction has no impact in how we formulate views and ideas, you clearly weren't thought every well in your literature and history classes.
oh boi. we all know that alex is a pure asshole but i don't think what he did was as bad as domestic violence. you know shit happens and this story is still not over. there's always room for change and redemption. but ofc just cause i said it doesn't mean it's gonna happen so that's why we'll see what happens. then you can say "do better" when this story's finally over and it didn't satisfy you. cause as of now everybody's like judging a toddler for being immature.
but that's the problem he's still an adult man regardless of his fictionalization. The author has purposely constructed a character that resorts to violence to combat his apparent heartache rather rationalize his own shortcomings and project his insecurities by lashing out verbally and physically onto others. Do not forget that Jiwon and DG's very first encounter had Jiwon strangle DG after uncovering his DJ Alex identity. Excusing this behavior as anything but domestic violence is an apologist answer. I shouldn't have to finish the manga to know and be able to fully comprehend an author who is making light of domestic violence for the sake of plot. His redemption period of groveling to DG is unnecessary because Jiwon's actions towards DG were entirely unnecessary to begin with. Even for the sake of plot having your heart broken does not equate to forcing yourself onto someone while they physically cry in pain and scramble to escape. Even the notion of justifying that is disgusting. But that's exactly what Mingwa has done and so do many other authors when they resort to sexual violence as either comedic relief or medium for romantic interest. We already have the very real scenario of young boys being taught at a young age that it's fine to "bully" the girl that you like. Pulling her hair, taunting her, pushing her, etc. it's all to gain her attention and show he "likes you" this toxic masculinity is taught at a young age and breeds the toxic masculinity that is domestic violence of adult male on female violence. Boys are taught and encouraged to do so with phrases like "man up" "she likes a bad boy" "good guys finish last". It's these systemic bits of degradation that boys will try desperately to combat by enforcing archetypes of idolized men. Men such as, their fathers, brothers, teachers, friends, media sourced all contribute to the education of young boys. To have a genre that is focused entirely on masculinity but throw female viewership you'd think at some point their would be a shift in women no longer wanting to see their real life subjugation of a male dominated world be reflected in the same or even heightened casual indifference that unfortunately they face as the plight of being the fairer sex. Yet the removal of women from the equation has allowed for this toxic masculinity to be encouraged and fawned upon simply because it can be appreciated in the same way it does not have real consequences on real bodied endangerment. But let us not forget that sexual violence is not only enforced on female bodies, but any bodied person. Everything I've described above does not change because Jiwon is some heartbroken hot guy and DG is a cute relationship naive man, they still embody a toxic masculinity that has became internalized in the yaoi genre, that despite its fictional world it simply bleeds as an extension into our real world's own ignored issues and disservice to sexual violence victims and survivors. It's not the question of using sexual violence or violence in a plot, but rather the horrendous way it never given proper handling or the magnitude it deserves in using such an explosively heavy subject matter. Which is to say it's entirely fine to read rape for example, but rape isn't funny and shouldn't be made into a punch line where not everyone gets the last laugh.
Its......
Fiction
you know what fuck it I'm clearly fucking wasting my time. George Orwell's 1984 was fiction, To Kill a Mockingbird, Gone with the Wind was fiction and look how they've fucking changed our society today, fuck this bullshit excuse of it's fiction. If we want to even go the manga fiction route Ghost the Machine was based on Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and see how many real life computer ai's have a byproduct of this. Even Akira has affected pop culture to this day. If you want to go on and plug your ears be my guest.
But violence has been apart of humanity since before humans could read and write. You think a few rape scenes is going to suddenly make it all worse? People decide to do bad things on their own. We all know right from wrong and I think it's belittling to believe that people who aren't bothered by a fictional rape scene wouldn't be bothered by one in real life. That's absurd. Go sit down and calm your shit.
A fight is a mutual situation where people hit or shout to each other face mutually. However, in chapter 40 and in many of others before that, Alex was the only one using violence on DG
I think it's not entirely true that everyone would be able to tell what's rape and what's not in real life. In fact most people can't and that's why we have so much controversy over me too and rape culture. Stories like this do help normalize dipshit behavior because 12 year olds read them and easily influenced 20 somethings read them. We see it all the time in the comments that infatuated people easily overlook the author's intent and defend their favs. Some people even share stories of their real lives when they've acted like alex and use that as justification for Alex's behavior instead of seeing a problem in their own behavior. That is the problem with calling it just fiction. Art follows life and then at some point life momics art. Anyway, not trying to fight, just adding $.02
I too believe that some readers here are too young to read yaoi. I also believe you can state that you like a violent fictional character simply because it's fictional. There are plenty of teen dramas on PG 13 tv, movies, music, videogames.. What are you gonna do? Boycott everything? I started reading violent comics and watching violent movies at a very young age. Still remember watching old violent westerns and Quentin Tarantino movies with my dad. I was not easily influenced. Inspired maybe. I'm not a murderer or rapist. Surprising, right? It's not entertainment you should be targeting. It's our society. Art influences life and vice versa but any sane person would know how to draw the line and know right from wrong. Unless you expect social media and entertainment to tell you how to think and feel and raise the next generation.
I totally agree with you but i totally think a bunch of that last sentence is happening.... and i don't think op meant it like that either. I think she just wants some mature and respectful content to be a foil to all this rapey content. It's not one at the expense of the other, just that there's not enough thoughtful, mature, and like relateable in a good way content? But yeah i feel ya both
Nonami doesn't cheat, but I never can understand the legitimate reasoning of confessing to someone you so deeply love and then turn around and sleep with someone else in virtually no time. In a situation like this how is doc suppose to feel, especially when Nomani reasons that sleeping with multiple woman is for Doc's safety as yakuza target? Where I have issue with is, does Doc just feel grateful and completely ignores that when he returns Nomani's feelings it will be with the knowledge not even 24 hours ago Nomani was physically intimate with someone else? You can entirely of course separate sex and love hence open relationships, fwb, or even casual hookups. It's mainly the importance of sex in yaoi that makes this separation muddled for me. In yaoi the characters barely say I love you before they consummate their love, so the physical action of sex often times bares more weight than the actual declaration of love. Heck that's why yaoi rape literally is used often to stand in for expressing a character's love for the other. That's why I feel so uneasy when either character sleeping around right after a confession or the knowledge of their feelings being known. It's mainly because they can pass this info and still hold the power in the dynamics of this relationship. Usually it's the person responding to this confession, that holds the cards, but they don't here. Their burdened with this new knowledge now while the previous bearer just does whatever they want and is now the one chased after. Like it's more I had to get this off my chest and I'm good now just going to go fuck someone who's not you, rather then I had to get this off my chest because it was emotionally hurting me. I don't know why but personally it cheapens the confession and especially your resolve to love that individual if you can't even give them time to come to grips with those feelings. It's entirely different if those feelings are refused and two never end up together, but that's not yaoi logic, as the two mc's always have to end up together.e.Even if it's a extensive amount of time, then fair enough that's how real llife works. But because Nomani and doc have sex so quickly since the incident, it devalues Nomani's desire to be solely committed to the other person. Granted people have sex to get over people, I understand that too, but the point of having sex in that situation is precisely to devalue the importance that person has on you emotionally by using a surrogate.This is all solely my opinion of course in this interpretation. I know Nomani is a yakuza so what do I know about the morality and reasoning of his actions, however it's very in character with how I'd expect a man like him. Thought it gives me pause to think that he could very easily cheat on Uzuki in the future for the 'sake of' Uzuki's safety once more or if something were to come between them Nomani would see to resolve it through physical intimacy with someone else. I mean they could come to an arrangement but with Uzuki's personality he'd likely say nothing to keep the peace even should it hurt him. Especially with what I've seen other's commentators have pointed out in Japan's patriarchal society and views on sex/love between men and women, Nomani seems very capable of this.
omg!! this was actually the issue with this book for me. i thought i was the only one
Exactly my thoughts fleshed out.
Nonami's excuse for sleeping around is to protect uzuki??? Bullshit I mean he could just pretend to take them to his home instead of actually sleeping with them. He didn't sleep with the sex worker girl from his bar yet he flirted with her in order to seduce her to take her to his home. He did sleep with the nurse though ...he didn't care about the nurse cuz he didn't even flinched when he introduced her to dangerous yakuza who thought she was uzuki...
The time he had a fourway ??? Did he have sex with them ??? I understand his frustration and the fact that no one has ever loved him and his grandmother hated him ....so he doesn't know how to love someone or deal with rejection and pain of not reaching your beloved he just deal with those feelings by using his bitches...but these things mske his feelings insincere for me
After reading this I honestly don't know how anyone could support Chika ending up with Hotaka. Hotaka might have had bland personality that "went with the flow" but god is Chika a piece of shit son of a bitch. Hotaka was right to never even consider Chika's feelings, he knew how fickle his friend was entirely inside and out, but who wouldn't be offended when their so rudely cast aside like yesterday's trash. I've never seen such a truly childish manipulative bastard Chika in such a long time in a BL.I mean there's tons but wow he's a special kind of asshole. From start to finish in his relationship with Hotaka, he did nothing but treat Hotaka like an object he could easily throw away and which he very well did. Then has the nerve to blame poor Hotaka for all his decisions in prior actions where he sexually harassed, coerced, and emotionally manipulated Hotaka, with the straw breaking the camel's back of publicly without thought breaking up with Hotaka in front of all of their friends to announce his up coming marriage. Literally what a trash human being. And his self-entitled confession of orchestrating this relationship because he knew he could take advantage of Hotaka, made me sick. At that point i could care less if he even had a shred of unrequited love for Hotaka, because he could choke on it. I'm pretty sure he held onto that manatee figure as a fucking trophy of his influence over Hotaka all this time more than anything when he lied about throwing it away. Hotaka truly cares for his friends made to the point where its unhealthy, I mean he nearly died for Masato during their childhood. Not saying that Hotaka couldn't have said no, because that's really on him, but the way Chika treated Hotaka and Hotaka just bore with him speaks more on how Chika treats someone that he"loves" more so than Hotaka's lack of refusal. Chika really is a disgusting example of manipulative seme's to a T. If you could treat your childhood friend like this, you never deserved him to begin with as anything more. If you can even sympathize with him you should really reevaluate what you consider a healthy relationship because reading BL like this has warped your mind.
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What are you saying ?! Chika being the bravest of them all for using hooking up with Hotaka to show him he really loves the latter even if he no theres so little chance in it at all. He knew and can feel theres a special.connection between Hotaka and Masato ... While Hotaka jst keep going w the flow ... Chika is not being manipulative but it is Hotaka for being so passive npt speaking what he truly wants at all !!!! Also Hotaka. If they feel love for each other they shouldve do so Long ago !!! Yes ! Masato used to be married so Hotaka is not thinkng of a possibility w Masato (w/c it nver realy crossed his mind at all) however , he can feel the difference of how he is when he's w Chika and Masato ... Now ... When Chika announce his broke up w Hotaka (not bcoz he is tired of him, as you can clearly fvckng SEE even when he is a kid he is IN LOVE w Hotaka up til that time), whos the manipulative one ? From that we can see Hotaka is affected but instead Masato use that as well as his divorce to make Hotaka say NO at all. And since they know Hotaka ever since, just like Chika, Masato knows he will not decline , right ?!
oh come on ...
Chika is the most hardworking character there !!!! Hello !?!
I agree with you. Chika was a manipulative bastard but he expressed his feelings unlike the weak son of a bitch Hotaka. Hotaka has no spine whatsoever. He'll do whatever the other one tells him to do
don't know if anyone's posted about it yet, but there is an animation of this beginning at chapter 10, it cuts out essentially the Seung-Hee and focuses on the other two classmates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwiccnxq394&list=PLg6JKyMc4IwambDiTRYfcnHiAmfTxWuOW
why is whenever there's a angel/demon bL the angel is ALWAYS a dick? Like does god just like to surround themselves with dicks?
the irony of being an angel and be a dick?
My guess would be that some people use faith as a weapon or rely on god and angels so much without doing anything that anyone would just get pissy and dickish after that.
Maybe God just likes dicks... *wiggles eybrows suggestively* ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I know kirara didn't want to go on the date and was kind of coerced to but that was so shitty to Irish goodbye Oomaeda like that. Like seriously even if you don't like him don't shit on someone's feelings. That boy is clearly in love with you the least you could do was humour him for one day. Ken treats you like utter shit half the time ans when he says bark you do better and even do tricks and come running, have a backbone Kirara comeon. Ken's wishy washy internizlaed homophobia is just getting old you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Yeah I didn't know if it was supposed to be funny but I found it so rude. Like damn Oomaeda wasn"t even the one planning this date so acting like a decent human being and at least apologizing before leaving isn't too much to ask for.
I couldn't agree more with you （￣へ￣）
The guy who saved him is a fucking creep. Guess it’s the possessive obsessive strangers to lover route we go.
this is actually WAREHOUSE minus all the trauma and suicidal thoughts and provides proper BDSM representation . Literally living for this.
I've had some terrible roommates in the past. If i had Asahi as a roommate I'd actually might have killed him being a such a slob, food thief. NO ONE eats my food and leaves a "thanks for the meal" note, I'd piss on their toothbrush.