My issue with scenarios like this where there’s quote on quote an “uke like seme” they always tend to coerce their partner into sex because they’re usually physically smaller. Here he waited until the other was almost black out drunk to make a move. We know that Taeja under normal circumstances would never allow himself be in a situation like that so always makes me uncomfortable that in order to reveal their uke side there needs to be dubious consent leaning on the rape side because that’s what happened if we’re being honest.
Yeah I don't like it when stories portray people getting taken advantage of when they are under the influence, it's messed up and is a form of rape. But it don't think this seme intended to do that, I mean he just went to take a call and came back to a couple of passed out drunks.
While I do agree that there was a certain degree ofcoercion going on here, I think it's unfair to claim that this is an issue with ''uke like seme''. Most yaoi comics have a form of non-consensual or dubious consent going on, people complain about it all the time.
It's not an issue with ''uke like seme'' it's an issue with yaoi--in general.
And fyi, there are stories with ''uke like seme'' without ''coercion''. For example, Otona Keikenchi, Urahara to Dilemma and the webtoon All About Lust to name a few.
Of course it’s an issue with the genre itself. My issue was the praise and novelty given to “uke like semes” for breakin the norm in their aesthic apparance but regardless have the same behaviors and actions as their overtly masculine counterparts. What I’m saying is that the coercion is taken into lesser consideration because they’re cute for gaining the upper hand. It’s like in real life when women rape men and it’s reduced to a joke because both men and women unfairly think men placed in those situations either wanted the sex or should be ridiculed for ever having been assaulted. Regardless of who committed the crime it’s the crime itself that it is important. What I’m saying is because it’s a flip on the script we’re used to the crime isn’t given the same significance. A near black out man is taken advantage of by a sober aquintance. That’s it. But because the guy who committed the crime is cute and they guy being taken advantage of is sexy it’s not seen as same yaoi rape/ coercion
No, you see, what is the unfair claim in your statement is the conclusion that because the ''uke like seme'' is cute, their actions are not seen as the same yaoi rape/coercion. It's a narrowed conclusion, since nearly all yaoi, regardless of the ''uke like seme'', has an element of coercion whereby the crime isn't given any significance.
In the more common yaoi with a cute uke and a masculine seme, we are dealt the same hand. There is usually coericion or rape in the stories, but people shrug it off, in the same way that they shrug off the coercion coming from an ''uke like seme''. How many times has the masculine seme dealt with the repercussions of coercing the uke? How many times was the cute uke supposed to shrug it off because 'he's a man' and 'men shouldn't complain like women' (I'm paraphrasing from the yaoi stories I've read)? The lack of siginificance given to the coercion that a man experiences in yaoi is not worse or limited to ''uke like seme''. It's everywhere. Which is why it's an issue with the genre itself, and not limited to the ''uke like seme'' stories.
My issue with your statement is that your claim is similar to: ''Look at how bad one half of the bread is," while the whole bread is essentially rotten. It also implies that ''uke like seme'' stories are incapable of not having an ''uke like seme'' without him resorting to coercion, and that would be false. It also implies that ''uke like seme'' do not deal with the repercussions of coercing a ''seme like uke'' as much as the traditional seme when in actuality, all (or otherwise most) seme regardless of their masculinity or lack of, do not deal with the repercussions of coercing an uke.
Sidenote: I'm not defending the coercing aspect of yaoi. It's a big pet peeve of mine actually, and I tend to have to restrain myself from going into a rant when I do see coercion in yaoi. I'm simply pointing out that your coin has two sides, opposed to only one.
In other words: The fact that few people (or none at all) complain about the cute seme pushing down the masculine uke with coercion, has nothing to do with the seme being an ''uke like seme'', but everything to do with yaoi in general not giving a damn if a male is coerced to have sex with another male. Proof being: nearly all yaoi on this site.
I think you may be missing my point. I’m not disputing anything you said as I too truly hate what BL has been reduced to at times as cesspool of toxic masculinity. What I’m complaining about is that while ultimately in both scenarios coercion is ignored by readers whether or not cocerion is prompted by a masculine or femme inclined seme. I’m instead complaining about how one is praised over the other. It’s not that uke like semes in every story resort to coercion necessarily and may be the way I phrased it implied that and gave off a generalization for that I apologize. It’s rather in most instances even if the coercion is all but ignored when committed by either a feminine seme or masculine seme, the feminine seme is actually praised for being different than the norm. Your suggestion that I’m commenting solely on only half of a rotten loaf of bread, is instead me suggesting that the entire loaf of bread is rotten when others see that only one mold spore is present on one loaf among a pantry of rotten loaves. “Well this piece of bread is alright i’ll just eat around the bad part”, when in reality it’s already contaminated and should be thrown out just like it’s peers. It may be narrow to you as you’ve said, but I just see it as the same old story turned onto it’s side. To repurpose your coin metaphor, weNre used to seeing heads but when we’ve landed on tails it comes as a novel surprise but it’s still the same coin after all.
this was a nice argument to read. a plus
At this point I don’t even understand the relationship between Prince Ryan and Noah. Noah is pretty such a sex sleeve that the prince has become obessesed with and besides that there’s literally no other development. I don’t even look forward to their scenes anymore because it’s so repetitive in sequence, Noah pulls away Ryan chases him, Noah pulls away Ryan chases him, oh and then there’s sex. I much rather read about Ian and Prince Vicchid, they at least provide more to the plot.
so chapter three as follows he rapes him, he loves him, the end.
Yeah ...I’m not feeling this story too much :/
I was thingking the same thing,although I gotta give credit to the artist since art is pretty. The story still didn't get to me tho.
is it okay that I don't like Ivan as a person but I like in him the context of the manwha. I mean the guy seems the perfect gross swarmmy fuckboi material.
TBH the ending felt so rushed and these two have so many unresolved issues. Mainly we had Shihoon apologize and Juyoung play the victim. Both of them were so prideful and stubborn that they wasted four years being so petty in which they could have been together. I am so angry that Junyoung has physically matured but still remains a self absorbed brat, no development in him at all. He is just as much to blame for his own happiness. Also I would have appreciate the author tying up loose ends with the actions of the supporting characters during those 4 years we've missed. Such as how Mari and Junyoung rekindled their friendship or Mari speaking to her brother again. I don't even know why but the very last scene with Junyoung questioning Shihoon on what he did in America and him solely focused if Shihooon had been with anyone else made me so mad. Who the fuck are to you to even be jealous when you just threw sleeping with someone else the night before your reunion. This "kid" seriously needs to grow up just wow. Junyoung is likely to continue to be insecure and sabatoge their relationship somehow once again. Actually both of them due to their personalities. Besides that this story ended just like that with nothing else to really give it a sense of closure and wholeness.
so based off the latest chapter it is confirmed that Wonho is likely cheating and has been cheating beyond the sake of his career. Yep a real piece of shit. Plus he's emotionally abusive and even Min-Ki's manager warns Min-ki to leave him. Guess we're in for a bumpy ride of angst.
Sorry, this is kind of a spoiler question... But does Wonho like the handsome guy with the scar?
Literally nothing was explained or resolved in this chapter. We have one more left to go and it’s likely the author will sweep everything under the rug just make a happy ending that honestly makes no sense if you scrutinize it. Well that’s that then.
I think there was nothing to be explained by now. Seokjo now remembers the memories that he probably repressed because of the trauma, and that includes Soowoon. Soowoon didn't want him to remember to avoid carrying the burden of the memory of injuring his friend and then confesses because why not. And that's it I guess, we all know what happened in the past now.
I understand and all but it's too convenient. Seokjo response of I remember now maybe let's unpackage what this all means for the both of us. Seokjo doesn't know SooWoon just knows a version that SooWoon falsely showed to keep up appearances of revealing the truth but all of this ignored with a declaration of I like you and the likelihood that they'all date immediately after. Also that SooWoon even to the end takes responsibility for Seokjo unrestrained anger and its accidental consequences forever disabling SooWoon is never given the full significance that it should. Seokjo"wakes from his clouded dream" and that's it really? It cheapens the need for SooWoon having kept this secret for no reason at all if everything could have so easily been taken care of. I know the author wants a happy ending but the build up and conclusion are so anticlimactic it defeats the very angst of the story. If this was "real" there would have been a lot more talking and delving into SooWoon getting over his need for constant martyrdom, and Seokjo firstly truly apologizing to SooWoon for at least the physical trauma he caused as an emotional kid overwhelmed by the death of the father with his misplaced anger. Also give Seokjo proper development by making him now self aware that he ignores things and doesn't care about people as a defense mechanism but SooWoon has also been significant. The author attempted what I just mentioned in the last few pages at the very least I'll admit but it's very very rushed. That they'll be together without even getting to know each without false pretenses and getting reknow each other is BL logic but I digress.
Hachiya is truly one of the dumbest characters I have incountered in terms of expressing himself. I wish we could have a chapter to see his thought process in the whole thing because if with your attempt at being romantic you have sex with someone after they'd declared their love for you with turning over to sleep and giving them candy for their troubles. Le sigh all wells that ends well, but seriously dude you'd have to grovel before I'd consider you again. Hidden note aside hana is rightfully angry and should slap him around in him my opinion. Hachiya was exuding fuck boi behaviour 101 the entire time(づ￣ ³￣)づ.
I've had some terrible roommates in the past. If i had Asahi as a roommate I'd actually might have killed him being a such a slob, food thief. NO ONE eats my food and leaves a "thanks for the meal" note, I'd piss on their toothbrush.
honestly speaking this kid killed over 10 people who the hell even releases someone like that for good behavior he's suppose to get life in prison or the death sentence in some countries. This is clearly one fucked up fictional justice system.
Ofc should be some voodoo thing he demon did to the police. They need the deaths. Do they have a quata or smth? *shrugs