that younger brother is soooo freaking annoying in how he behaves like a child. Secondly that sucks that your brother's exes sexually harassed you i can see that obviously causing a trauma. However, thirdly i'm actually pissed that Maki didn't defend Yukinori when he was being bad mouthed by his brother when it's been established how sincere Yukinori is. What is with these factory workers expecting a city office worker who gave up his career and lifestyle for his ailing father without so much as a thank you to come in and be fucking perfect at everything. Let's not forget barely anyone initially tried to help him and his own useless father shirked responsibility onto his son once he realized he could guilt trip his son without so much as providing guidance for a position he's entirely in over his head. God everyone in this manga makes me so angry half the time except Yuki.
I know right.. they all expect him to become mr perfect like wtf
80% the same thing happened with me. And i know the feeling. The burden, pressure from other, because they expect to high from me. Well that happen 5 yrs back
*bring back memory* (￣∇￣")
Honestly, that's my only real complaint about this manga. Every single person he meets sets the bar SO FREAKING HIGH and expects him to be perfect and know his job inside and out after zero experience??? And then he has to go through the same bullshit to prove himself over and over and over. So frustrating.
tbh I love how the author is going about Yeonduk and Skyler's current relationship it's so realistic how she's approaching the trauma Yeonduk is having to overcome in order to accept Skyler's feelings for him and to return them. We can't forget that to Yeonduk as much as he cares for Skyler, Skyler is the physical embodiment of all the physical and emotional trauma that he's endured for years, despite misunderstanding that caused it. For Yeonduk to even consider Skyler's feelings he has to completely forgive Skyler, but Yeonduk looks to have simply taken the higher ground of forgiving Skyler for Skyler's sake rather than the proper closure that Yeonduk truthfully needed. Eventually the two of them will sort things out but really i'M just wowed by how this author has portrayed Yeonduk with PTSD in in such a truthful manner.
the author is amazing~ im in awe
Honestly the ending was so rushed. And Hibiya's acceptance of Yamagi just like that after Yamagi briefly left for overseas and then the discovery that Hibiya has actually known Yamagi since Yamagi's childhood was just so OOC especially when just a chapter ago he hadn't even gotten over being lied to for all that time nor his status as an omega. The art was nice but god was this yet another cliche omegaverse. Would have been far more interesting if Hibiya had stayed a beta.
i haven't read this manhwa and want to start reading it, but I did skim some of the comment sections to get a feel and ultimately read some spoilers which I'm fine with. Yet I have a question since reading these comments, can anyone explain to me why Jishu should end up with the dark haired one, I'm assuming Heejae when he's apparently done nothing but emotional harm to the mc by manipulating him to such an extreme degree. Like i'm honestly curious why people want the mc to end up with someone who's wronged him so badly simply because he loves his victim now? It's likely the yaoi logic of they're the end goal coupling anyway, but does anyone have any other justifications? I do want to read this but it seems like the ending will be cliched based on my acquired spoilers
i don't even see the point of why people are upvoting or downvoting someone asking a question in order to just get others opinions on reading a manhwa like I'm not even giving my own opinion for others to disagree or disagree with?
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it’s not about yaoi logic or whatever. maybe you should read the manhwa to find out. all i can say is that people root for heejae because he loves jisuh, and vice-versa. he has his flaws, of course, but he’s more mature and his feelings towards jisuh seem more serious than that of sunyool’s.
i can understand that, I'm just curious why that's enough to erase everything he's done wrong simply because he says "I love you" and just because now he apparently means it. Does he deserve to get rewarded after all he's done just because he feels bad or because he'll be punished in some way. My thing is it's yaoi logic when someone does something which typically is inexcusable like what it seems like manipulating someone to have to interact with an abusive ex just because it seems entertaining and then be forgiven just because they say "i love you". I should say rather it's fictional logic, but it just seems so pointless to make a cliche ending like every other blackmail/manipulation story on this site.
to clarify i''m just tired of the reward someone despite their wrong doings trope, it's not even a "second chance" in most instances it's simply ignoring the underlying issue of broken trust for convenience sake.
Well now that you have all your assumptions and analysis regarding the issue raised in this story, you'll know better not to read this manhwa because it goes against your preferred trope.
This manhwa just happens to be my thing because I like prolonged, complicated stories with characters who has strong ego and manipulative streak. Also it doesn't stop as only a yaoi logic thing, it's a toxic relationship logic thing.
Anyways I'd suggest before posting in the comment section and starting your argument by stating you've only skimmed the comment section, try to actually read it first... I'm not the type of person who dislike having a conversation with a partner who didn't came prepared and only running in assumtion., hence your downvotes.
*not the type of person who likes having a conversation with...
Sorry for the typo
My thing with Hayakawa was, was it necessary to childishly sexually assault Kon and then never apologize for it? Also the thing with Hayakawa that he pities himself in his apparent loneliness by seemingly donning a mask of happiness all the time and living a hedonistic lifestyle of sex and and temporary pleasure. But honestly just because someone didn't truthfully like you because of your privilege does not equate becoming a shell of a person. Children can be unbearably cruel at times, but sometimes I find it quite strange how the author exaggerates a character's past to the point that such a trauma would create the current self indulgent Hayakawa. Ultimately having experienced having a bad batch of friends created an individual to live with no morals? I truthfully can't sympathize with someone who rather than consider why this betrayal occurred due to factors out of his own control, his reaction is to assume every person he encounters from then on will only use him. It is ironic that Hayakawa instead uses others now whether through physical pleasure or by obtaining satisfaction in his unquestioned "likable" persona. But justifies this by stating these encounters are moments where he continues to be "used" for the benefit of others, when in actuality Hayakawa purposely facilitates or prevents these meetings with just a smile and few choice words. His behavior brings him no joy, and in fact he takes on a role of fake niceties that ultimately was the very cause of his current state of mistrust and unsettlement.
Perhaps this defense mechanism sprung in the face of adolescent questioning and uncertainty might be excusable, but really Hayakawa has created a purgatory of his own making through his self imposed ostracism from his peers.I'm hoping volume 2 has Hayakawa grow as an individual to not place his worth on the opinions of others and secondly properly apologize and make amends with Kon because he was simply a shit person in Volume 1.I'm just confused that no one has addressed this and are in more in favor of Kon and Hayakawa having sex more than anything else. There is a lot of depth to this story so far and of course there's an entire volume to continue to explore both Hayakawa and Kon's respective personalities into adulthood.
Seems interesting. But is what i with the trend of sickly characters just being absolute pieces of shit to everyone around them. You're dying so what, everyone dies eventually doesn't give you a right to be a complete asshole.
I'm not saying it's right for them to be jerks to everyone around them, but they're probably not prepared to die yet, and they're angry that they can't control their fate. It's kinda like the stages of grief except they're stuck on the anger part and haven't moved to acceptance yet. In addition to that, they probably don't want to show vulnerability and show the people around them that they're actually scared of dying since, like you said, everybody dies anyways, so they try to cover it up by pushing others away.
I'd blame the dad for spoiling him. But I guess it's only natural for a spoiled, rich kid born into privilege to act that way. Well, he'll eventually have his own character development in the end.
Keeping that up for another 7 years is somewhat admirably... or not. Ho well, let's see if he's been like that to Sora as well (the little snippet in the city traffic insinuates otherwise) or if he decided to be an utter despicable prick only towards everyone else.
(Careful, might get you stabbed without any involvement of an angry mountain god whatsoever)
Uh.. yeah, without giving you too much spoiler, he is like that to Sora too, but I have a feeling he is acting more like a tsundere when he is purposefully being mean to Sora (behind that facade he actually cares for him). But that side of him is benign in my opinion. What is frightening is the violent outbursts that he sometimes has due to his affliction. You will see how bad it can get in a few chapters. Stay tuned...
If that was what he's doing I'd disagree with you. He's just using it as an excuse to treat others like shit. After all, in the scenario you've given, no one around him is deliberately causing him pain but he is deliberately causing pain to those around him. But I don't think that is what is happening. He's being a shit to protect OTHERS in the only way he thinks he can.
It's not benign if you're causing anyone pain for no reason.
Something that's irked me about Ken's abrasive behavior towards Kirara is that at this point we can likely guess that Ken has had feelings for Kirara for some time but due to internalized homophobia he can't express it. Despite having a positive example of a gay man ,his own father. Granted there's the likely resentment of his parents' broken marriage due this father's sexuality. Yet it's heavily implied to disregard these feelings he's dated and slept with a considerable amount of girls at his school whom he had no feelings for, but continues to go on the offense as soon as anyone shows even sligh interest in Kirara romantically and takes at various opportunities to forcibly kiss Kirara or be domineering and manipulative in Kirara's life as if he's entitled to Kirara as a prized possession. Yet can switch to be standoffish and virtually arctic in his interactions with Kirara within seconds. Neither have them have confessed at this point but it really bothers me how Ken has been trying to have his cake and eat it too by being "straight" but forcibly initiating physical intamacy with Kirara without providing any honesty or a willingness to change the status quo. Kirara is slightly at fault for continuouslly allowing this as when it comes to Ken, Kirara's otherwise rather vocal demand to not be treated like a girl which Ken does in order to rationalize his inner turmoil is no where to be heard. Does this double standard not bother anyone at all how horribly Ken treats Kirara emotionally even if he does comes to Kirara's aid when it's necessary( gang fights)? I just find Ken's actions to be selfish whether he led this girls on just to get laid or how he continues to lead on Kirara with no clear outcome towards a progression in their relationship. I always hate how bullshit this kind of unrequited love rewards being a coward with the expectation that the ml's romantic interest is more than usually portrayed to be "pure" but the coward is allowed to be hedonistic douche the entire time until they feel like they've run their course. The imbalance in their relationship is so jarring. I know Ken isn't the only seme who is archetypical written this way but it's actually pretty shity how this element of his characterization won't be addressed
ok what (=・ω・=) well, i kind of your point. But is it all worth to write an entire length of an essay?
you kinda pointed out the obvious
That bothers me too. Each and every time. But there is nothing I can do. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I COMPLETELY AGREE! and i also hate how a lot of the times the uke doesnt seem to mind this selfish action and obviously its not their fault bcs they are more open with their feelings , i wouldve hoped to see a bit of resistant on the uke part in order for the seme to own up to his mistakes and genuinely confessed rather than everyone just going with the flow and i hope kirara at least gave ken a taste of his own medicine or something
it's literally funny how an baichu becomes more a more a piece of shit as we learn about him. So Lu Lang's father is alive likely and An Baichu and his father know this. lols and now he's feeling bad about it and even possibly are illegally experimenting on him too?! It literally makes me so angry that Lu Lang will end up with this morally corrupt person who simply fucked up his life and continues to do so behind the scenes.
yeah so true. even if the mangaka puts this "he is changed now" plot point in the future, i dont think ill like him any better.
I WISH theres a plot twist and lu lang ends with pink hair instead
ikrrr like i hate him so much cuz no matter how much he changes he'll still give langlang shit and treat him like a test subject
i'll never like him
YOO FAAAM
SSSUUUUPP
Not even 5 full pages in he gets raped and just goes with the flow of it for it be excused while I’ve always like you and you felt good so...
oh not again rape... I wanted to read but now, meh I'm not sure
I'm sure i'll get downvoted for this and argued with. But yes the mc is in fact raped by his childhood friend and it's excused for hidden feelings and comedic relief
let people do... almost all yaoi stories have rape in, like it was an obligation to have to do a great story, i'm so tired of it and especially of how people tell "if you don't like it, don't read, this is fiction" yes but rape is not mandatory ??
Wait where did it say anything about rape? All we see is him say I ended up sticking it in. Is it said further in or something?
walking into a room announced and then proceeding to stick your uninvited finger into someone and then putting your dick in someone just because "oh looked like you needed some verbally unasked help" is rape. What makes even less sense is why he was even there to begin with as it's later stated that they stopped being friends who even hang out. Why all of a sudden does he need to borrow something from you when you've apparently not been speaking for some time, that's a major plot hole
Agreed, read this book and even the start and ending were bad, very over used.
No that's not all we see, maybe you but if someone says "no" , "stop " or "wait" and you don't , that's rape. You think in real life you bust into a room and catch your best friend doing their private session. You just walk up to them and put your //// in them even when they say they don't want you to? You can go to jail for that, why? Because it's rape. I know real life and yaoi are way different but this rape plot in yaoi is overused.