Sigh. As this moves along I should not have had high expectations but alas we are going the cliche of cliche routes I was genuinely hoping against. At this point I feel I am to blame for thinking things would progress any other way than the typical chauvinism of a self absorbed top character and a meek bottom character who enables objectified behavior. I genuinely do not understand why authors write in such binary in this genre. I don’t know if EVERY single female writer cannot comprehend any other dynamic but it’s so invasive within the genre and their lived experience? I’m genuinely unsure if BL can exist without misogyny even when women are not the genre’s focal point. I’m not saying the top is a monster for his treatment, but I genuinely wonder do female writers think men are truly incapable of not exhibiting violence or anger at all turns in their love language? And especially given the author’s former project “Second Piatto”. This is disappointing, to attach themselves to a novel of this caliber to edit and draw out when I’m sure there are much better out there that aren’t your C grade churned out wattpad fanfic.
I know this is fiction but I’m genuinely disgusted by how realistic a piece of shit asshole the Alpha is. Like skin crawl piece of shit levels.
So we are chapters in and we already have sexual assault twice. Great.
it's okay cuz pemdas so they canceled each other out
Blond assaulted black hair twice. Even if the MC performed oral he was black out drunk and could not consent he literally thought ML was someone else. That’s not say MC was in the right for making a sexual advance and play, ML was completely sober(had a single shot) and knew better than to let things transpire as they did. He was “curious” how far things would go and let things escalate purposefully and then has the audacity to blame the MC and then assault him in turn as compensation.ML IS NOT A CHILD. He’s a grown man with an active sex life and I’m sure he knows he could have never done this to a woman in either situation without it clearly being assault but because it’s between men excuses are being made. It’s gross. And it’s disgusts me how often this genre relies on drunkenness to perpetuate sexual crimes. It feeds rape culture and significantly muddies acceptable depictions of consenting sexual intimacy. That authors keep doing this and especially female authors in this medium of constantly romanticizing toxic and dangerous behavior and glamorizing as sexy, idealistic, and desirable is at this point disturbing. It’s bad enough many men take their sexual education from video pornography, a fictional depiction of sex, and it is acknowledge for its damage. Yet, we don’t do the same for other mediums of “fictional sex” that contribute to spreading misinformation and desensitizing its audience to altering depictions of idealized love and romance. Alcohol is number ONE used drug to initiate sexual violence please remember that.
oh you ate professor! (▰˘◡˘▰)
I’m not even trying to preach from my little soapbox on the internet. This should be known knowledge and understood. The fact that it isn’t recognized and is rather often opposed is what is so worrisome.
are you reading the Boundary of Delusion by any chance? that shit pissing me off so bad but the comment section is filled with ppl just celebrating the fact that the victim is starting to "like" the perpetrator?! just another Tuesday in Yaoi
Oh god no. I looked at a few chapters and said fuck this.
While this was well written. I left this manhwa hating both characters. They are truly too toxic for one another to ever be a real couple. Cirrus is manipulative, cruel, co-dependent, spiteful, has abandonment issues, and is emotionally unstable. Skyler is violent, volatile, avoidant, apathetic, painfully insecure, self-absorbed, and weak willed. I honestly felt so unnerved by both characters’ backstories and while well executed, the lack of any closure for both these young men, means they use each other as their source of “comfort” from reality and while heartbreaking is in no way a healthy way of processing. I wish this was longer because honestly these two need additional fleshing out characterization wise, yet the reality is the author is right to end it this way because realistically there would not be a neat resolution to their respective trauma. Still it left me unsatisfied, and even angry that this will still be framed as “romantic” when all I see just see is a tragedy. I’m terrified of both of them and terrified of them being together.
Was it confusing for anyone how chapter 5 they’re in a dressing room setting, exit it see the pap, then by chapter 6 are already is the ML’s apartment. I’m so confused when this transition occurred.
They did a small timeskip to get to the apartment
Would been nice if we didn’t of course have a drunken sexual assault within the very first chapter. But we just couldn’t have gone without that of course cause how possibly could a smaller pretty top not be a manipulative creep like they AlwaYs have to be in order to “convince” their larger bottoms.
they were both drunk though.
Hah? Neither of them said they were perfect nor were they shown in a good light - -‘
Plus they were both drunk.
(Alcohol is a drug makes you do weird shit, why do you think being intoxicated holds up in court)
It’s amazing how it’s clear people don’t read. The bottom is passed out drunk. The top was coherent enough to drag them both home, put the bottom in bed, and then couldn’t help himself and pulls down their pants to jerk them both off while the bottom is sleeping. The bottom wakes up to being assaulted. Did either of you two even read before commenting? This is literally what’s wrong with the work and this community, it perpetuates rape culture and then muddies it further by misidentifying or misconstruing even visual cues and this worsens people’s perception of acceptable and consent forms of sexual intimacy.
pal the top may be coherent, but he's not acting with crystal clear consent. he did that bc he was under the influence, not bc he saw someone who was drunk and wanted to take advantage. like drunk people can literally be coherent enough to get tatted or go swimming or hop in a car or, believe it or not, have sex with other drunk people. the bottom woke up to another drunken one night stand that commonly occurs when both parities are drunk off their asses. this is literally a non-issue lmao.
Is very clear that you’ve never been drunk or even seen anyone drunk XD. How do you think drinking and driving is a thing? Talk about confidently incorrect ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Exactly
Oh wow, guess what? I've been drunk before — shocking, I know — and somehow managed not to assault anyone. Turns out being drunk isn’t a free pass to be a garbage human.
Thank you for your response. The two above however I’m not waisting my breath. I sometimes wonder if this genre is genuinely making people dumber because I don’t even have the words to explain any simpler how easy it is to read what’s presented to you, but still make an entirely new narrative that fits for your rose colored view rather than bothering to educate yourself.
literally nobody assaulted anyone here bozo they're BOTH drunk and BOTH acting under the influence. idk how you navigate the world when you think like this.
Wow, incredible analysis, Sherlock. So if two people are drunk, we just throw out the concept of boundaries, consent, or, you know, basic decency? Must be nice living in that cartoon world where accountability disappears after a few shots. Truly, the philosopher of our time.
Wow, incredible analysis, Sherlock. So if two people are drunk, we just throw out the concept of boundaries, consent, or, you know, basic decency? Must be nice living in that cartoon world where accountability disappears after a few shots. Truly, the philosopher of our time.
It’s honestly wild when people just make up a new story instead of reading what’s actually there.
The internet has taught me otherwise. It’s baffling.
Forcing yourself onto someone isn’t “cute” and the ML’s whole rational for manipulating the MC is gross.
True but we/u are here for it so sit down and enjoy this roller-coaster
Honestly, this story had me kicking and punching air. You dont know how much i wanted to punch that black haired dude right in the balls (๑❛ᴗ❛๑)
Honestly most are desensitized to the very creepy and even dangerous tropes that BL loved to perpetuate as being “cute” simply because the offender is attractive. I’ve been in situations like this and it’s certainly not hot when a man has you pinned down while you’re trying to escape but hey it’s so every entertaining isn’t it our MC was so cutely tricked hahahahahahahahaha
no like its actually so crazy cause ik if he was not a conventionally attractive man everyone would be pissed he forced himself on the ml, pretty privilege in bl is so annoying
In actually male tigers have nothing to do with child rearing in the wild and are essentially sperm donators
I really do wonder how people throw the word "masterpiece" around like it’s free candy when it comes to some popular BL. It is a decent story, the ONLY likable character in this story is Sak, the sick rental child, and Echo. Everyone else is truly awful or some shade of gray leaning towards black. I don't even know if I even like the main couple, despite getting the backstory of Lima I just cannot get over how genuinely cruel he can be at times within moments, despite it being clear as day Sak is a fish out of water in this story.
***SPOILERS***
I was so disgusted by the cave rape scene and Sak being so ignorant of what just happened to him despite knowing what sex is. And post aftermath resignation made it so much worse. Make that makes sense that this is what we want as audience to start of a romance? And especially after Sak literally just buried a fucking child just MINUTES or hours before. What the fuck is the tone. Lima does have character development for what it is worth, having been a jaded former child soldier exposed to horror and trauma. I am going to be generous and assume the author wanted to go the "hurt people hurt people route" for his character. However, given this genre's dependency on Lima's personality type as an archetype for much of the genre I am holding my breath. I get its an apocalyptic world where there are child soldiers, secret government experiments, conspiracies, and betrayals but i am so just over even in this "masterpiece" setting we still get the exact formula of meek innocent uke and abusive uncommunicative seme and then when reading the comments I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because the story is just simply okay with the plot leaving many things unanswered, the main couple still presumably on the run, and no one being held accountable for the behind the scenes manipulations and struggles of our main character.
Would people still recommend reading Moritat if I did not exactly care for this manhwa?