But it wasn’t even a joint at fault responsibility. It’s clear as day the blond one is entirely at fault.
I actually feel bad for Doyeon. I mean he’s being an asshole but everything he said in anger is in fact true. Can you imagine the very STRAIGHT man you’ve crushed on for years and was your first sexual awakening coupled with being a “familiar” constant in your life, who strictly had a type that you knew you could never measure up to so you silently accepted pining after him because this same guy never would have considered dating you, a man, let alone a person he didn’t wholly respect as he’s constantly treated you as as nothing more than a nuisance kid brother suddenly changes his entire life aspirations and romantic desires for a pretty boy twink nearly half his age. I mean if we simply made Yiyoung a young woman it’d make it more obvious how cliche of a situation it is, typical old man behavior vying for young pretty thang. Of course Doyeon isn’t owed Kang’s love but it has to seriously sting just how of all the types Kang could fall for it’d be the ONLY type of man that a typical straight man would even allow himself to consider if a woman wasn’t an available/option. Plus we have Kang’s early chapters where some of this is actually verbalized in introspection, by Kang acknowledging Yiyoung would realistically move on from dating a MUCH older man who is very much at a different point in his life than Yiyoung who has no experience whatsoever. I admittedly like this drama because it adds some realism even if the fantasy is Yiyoung + Kang are OTP forever. Don’t hate me but yeah I actually do feel bad for Doyeon it sucks, every gay boy knows this feeling of self anger because you’re not afforded the luxury of openly expressing your love to often times your straight best friend or straight object of desire out of fear of violence or rejection. I’m hoping Yiyoung realizes this and is sympathizes which I sure Kang hasn’t and likely won’t be able to because he would never have struggled with this personally.
I know Ash is a child but im genuinely so annoyed how he’s never disciplined properly so this is what you get a kid that thinks “knows better” than adults despite being overly sheltered. It’s honestly realistic how he’d just to this extreme of a reaction to “run away” given his upbringing and especially in this media focused times, children “grow up” but don’t actually know how to handle “grown up” emotions as they can’t still properly regulate.
I don’t even understand the point of takatora being an omega if he never actually experiences what it means to be an omega in the proverbial sense. He cuts out his whom and still remains just as chauvinistic, entitled and selfish despite this “setback”. Yes he’s no longer on the highest pedestal but his disregard for others in all ways is just inherent it seems. It’s actually really hard to read this because he’s genuinely such an awful person in such a realistic way of someone who’s always had his way and maintains that mindset to the bitter end.
Are women who chose to get tubectomy still not women? There are women living in patriachial society who still treats women and lgbtq+ people even worse than how the omegas lives are portrayed here but but privileged or women who are unafraid to voice their opinions still exist there.
Alphas try to act towards him the same way they do with other omegas but mc doesn't let himself gets treated like that because he still has his status, he's still sexualized and alphas behave disgustingly towards him. He got disinherited by his family too and he was literally raped as soon as he turned into an omega
You need to stop looking at him as an alpha just because he prefers to top, his mindset might take a while for himself to realize he's also an omega rn and now the omegas are not just 'other kind' and leave his asshole ish thinking behind but at the end of the day he's also an omega. He hasn't done anything irredeemable yet.
I mean he's Trans so....of course his behavior wouldn't change, he is and still sees himself as an alpha regardless of his body being an omega. HE EVEN REMOVED IS UTERUS of course he's not going to change he is what he is regardless of his body
It’s not the topping aspect nor it about his gender in reality that my post focuses on, and I believe you did not understand my post given I likely did not detail my issue and it comes across as general complaint of his current gender. Not once does my post negate his gender by “removing” a symbol of it from his personhood. I’m specifically talking about how he removed it so as to distance himself from said gender not out an alignment of his desired gender expression but out of as it’s been said multiple times by himself and others his feelings of superiority over a gender he doesn’t respect or at the time felt the need to humanize. It’s not exact 1:1 but it would the equivalent of a white racist man finding out he prides himself in his whiteness finding out a parent was Black and now have to come to terms their own blackness in both a social and cultural reckoning that could not simply be erased by by purse avoidance. For example what if this White racist then has a child and then is confronted by this reality if their child presented “Black” features as gene expression is a random gamble of what is already within us all.
A mention a black parent in this example because Black people in the United States which I am from and have cultural knowledge of given my own background in certain circumstances “passed” for whiteness when they could being ethnically ambiguous for survival and sometimes for even advancement in White America*. This reality did happen where people who could pride themselves in their superiority were tarnished in their own eyes due to at the time to US’s stance on blackness being a “one drop” rule of racial corruption.
I completely understand the point of this story playing as an allegory for trans or gender identities in a fictional setting, and I have no issue nor would I denounce this story for it’s attempt at having this conversation. I have issue with Takatora essentially hating “the stand in female gender” and being made to be a woman so to speak and then still hating and thinking women are beneath him because ultimately his life of privilege has never made him have to humanize anyone outside of himself
All of the points you’re making still stand but this is not my point of contention with this story.
Stop
Lmfaooo
ur so fucking real for this its insane
I'm sorry but the race analogy does not fit as well here, wouldn't internalized homophobia work better? He was homophobic but realized he was gay and can't comes to terms with it and a mix of being trans male and still getting your period period every month and getting reminded of what you are and hating every single second of it. I said that about race because he's not half of anything, he's 100% like other omegas in society(there'll still be omegas there with money/status and with removed uterus) and he also has to face prejudice and discrimination every day and his biology working against him from his perspective now. The shock of it more similar to internalized homophobia is also because there's no plausible deniability and no point being indignant at others and finding the system of categorization unfair because he's what he's now. There's no denying that he's an omega.
I think you're main point is that you can't get past his hateful alpha opinions, I find that aspect of his more forgivable as because of this same mindset I believe he has it harder than other omegas. He faces the same sexualization, rape and discrimination from family and strangers but he now also hates himself so much that he's trying to change himself to be something beyond his gender and he keeps forgetting that now he's also an omega but keeps getting reminded by society and betrayed by his gender. It must be painful for him.
Every chapter he's warming up to the other omegas from him class and gaining new perspectives however mild, and I see his hate towards others as much as it's also his own hatred towards himself and his tubectomy as a form of self harm as much as it is also for his inconvenience. Ogawa hasn't drawn him truly distressed and in pain since the first chapter and seeing the way he's always amused and carefree so maybe that is why it is harder to see he's feeling and for some readers to connect with him.
And from the new chapter you can see how disgusted he was when seeing that video of Arisaka in that alphas phone, Idk if chapter 1 Takatora would still have the same reaction but if not then that is already a massive character development.
Might also be a preference thing as I'm loving to be able to read about a flawed mc for a change lol
One of the main point of the manga is its allegory to feminism so more reason why racism doesn't fit as it's more about gender
I'm just reading through the comments and some of them have good points haha
Stop what? Actually reading and understanding the manga? Lol whe have a whole LGBT + that Actually the T comes from what? Trans? Look up the definition dear
If you can read Yaoi I think you should be pretty used to the definition unless you're the type that likes to read and sexualice and hates when they act different from what YOU want them to cuz it doesn't fit your fantasy if it wasn't omegaverse and it was a woman that viewed himself as a man and removed her uterus and acted like a man what would you call that? Use that brain for the love of god
Ew
Girl pls this is obviously not a trans person issue.
Yeah I guess an omega that viewes, feels and acts as an alpha is not.
Yet somehow omega/beta/alpha are genders
He is already changing, He's watching and experiencing what means to be an omega already, because guess what he's surrounded by them something he's not used to. The beach chapter is a clear example of him getting and starting to understand what means to ne an omega and how they see themselves.
For example the blonde dude that just wanted to marry and not even finish his studies and the opposite the one with glases hating on everything they did because it's what omegas do and he believes he can't do much about it.
You want HIM to be like that when is not his personality, he was raised as an alpha, he has cero empathy yet now he cares about his classroom mates and even fell in love.
What the hell you mean he didn't change? He did a lot and adapted to the situation
Just because you're used to omegas crying every single time something goes wrong doesn't mean it has to be like that......This is refreshing, a damn manga where alphas have becomed secondary characters and omegas actually evolve and behave like normal humans not the brain dead "forgive everyone, everything he's an alpha " brainless shit.
Every character copy with their emotions the way the creator sees fit for the story....and thus is a good representation on how people react to advertisers, you can cry or do something about it.
Guess we agree in disagree then
All this for some omega verse story is crazy
If people can't even let themselves be passionate about fiction they enjoy then what's the point of reading anyway and I too agree that Takatora's situation is somewhat similar to what's it's like being trans irl. In this whole thread you're one of the only one who have said anything of substance yet except for sarcastic one linersliners lmao
Cut me some slack, I'd just woken up that was me being mean cause I was still groggy.
It was just two comments, but sorry I don't have anything enlightening to contribute to this incredibly profound discussion. I shall endeavor to do better the next time I pick up a story about gay porn set in a dystopian society that touches superficially on what it means to be a woman. Indeed, everyone who reads this masterpiece should strive to have an elucidating conversation, and anyone who has nothing educated to say should hold their breaths and disappear from this place of holy deliberation forever.
That was me being a dick cause I find it entertaining. For the record tho I do agree with you.
Nobody's is forcing you to read this, you have plenty of toxic alphas were omagas act like omegas for you to read. If you like the cliché go and get it
You know why racism and sexual orientation is not the same? One chooses to be racist we can't choose our sexual orientation.
gays, trans, lesbians, etc are born like this. The fact you're comparing sexual orientation with racism is wild and just proves my point.
HE CAN'T CHOOSE what he likes, he likes omegas the same way gays like men, and lesbians women.
You just let everything I said go over your head.
I meant your long ass comment was what was crazy for this kind of story, which you're right, I didn't read (Argument apart tho I do respect pitching a fight over the least consequential of things)
You're also assuming things because I don't like omegas who act like omegas. I don't even like omega verse. I actually kind of hate it and try to avoid the trope all together, cause I think gender stereotypes are dumb and omega verse is basically just misogyny but on men. If I wanted to see what it was like to be treated like as a second class citizen Id just go outside. I'm here for the character study
Then why are you here? Lol if you won't even read the manga, you don't even like it WTF you doing here. Baseless, with 0 arguments since you didn't read the manga and jumping to conclusions.
Now I get why you where saying dumb stuff like that, you where throwing shit around waiting to see what sticks , and least you have the decency to admit that .
Girl where did you see me say I didn't read the manga? I said I didn't read the comment you made which I was replying to cause it was long and I'm wasted on a story like this.
But, to each their own, we all reserve the right to be passionate about whatever it is interest us.
I just feel like you jump to conclusions a lot.
In another timeline I would have argued about the specifics of gender and storytelling and how that translates here but I am not yet so pathetic I'd do that in this universe due to my disdain for the trope and my very urgent need to attend to the homework I've been ignoring
Tldr: I respect your fire but you should look at the finer details sometimes and refrain from jumping the gun too soon
Lol I mixed your comment with another person that didn't read it. I'm having 2 convos right now so...ignore that last coment. And is not jumping to conclusions yall just be saying things that if you pay some attention is clearly explained in the manga.....that's the whole point of reading, saying a character has not evolved just because they way they adapted to the situation doesn't fit your criteria/ moral or idealistic idea won't change the fact that He changed.
He sees omegas different and the world views him different and he adjusted accordingly by working double or triple and accepting that he has no chance against alphas a thing that before he would never do.
You know people don't always change for the better, that's the point of this manga, is about the cruel reality of what omegas go through without creating a toxic fantasy that the alpha will appear and solve everything by basically SA the omega every single chapter to the point the omega feels is love and forgives everything.
You don't gotta convince me of that, I'm not the one who said he didn't change he did, just...very very very slowly. He didn't change much on his view of society or how he fits in it, and that's what I find refreshing. He's an asshole. But he's an asshole with morals. He doesnt just believe something because he thinks he's better. He thinks he's better and then strives to become that because that's what he believes in.
He wasn't changing enough tho and that's why they did the whole time skip imo. He never would have been this gentle before. Which is interesting but also a shame cause I genuinely enjoy awful protagonists
Is it me or the MC’s appearance constantly keeps changing? Like his face will look way more masculine one minute then “uke-like” within panels of each other. Then his height is all over the place as well as his stature in musculature it is actually really distracting.
Is that our blue eyed seal’s first anal?
Without any context this statement is WILD
Why couldn’t they simply just lick each others wounds so to speak. No we have to have he’s a sad idiot puppy yes that definitely excuses assaulting the guy who simply was being nice to you out of shared heartache. I’m exhausted it’s literally the first fucking chapter.