I loved this story, honestly, I thought it was perfect (in its own silly and messed up way) that I kept recommending it to others. Of course I thought it was one of a kind, especially since a female alpha together with a male omega stories are hard to come by, more so if they're the center of the story itself. It was really refreshing, I liked how simple the setting was, but was led in more depth by the characters' past and characterizations.
Of course that doesn't mean that they're all that healthy, spoiler from here; since the omega used a fake compatibility test to show the alpha that they were compatible to have sex, it can easily be ignored, but when you think about faking a compatibility test to get into bed with someone who was sick due to their sex, it's wrong (of course we can argue that he didn't know that time, but either way faking something like that is still wrong). The alpha isn't all that innocent either, after they got together, contractually, because of their baby she started showing signs of being too possessive, even wanting to go and kidnap him and lock him in their house so that he'll stay even after their contract. That is wrong. I liked this story but I can acknowledge that those stuff I've said about them are not romantic in any way, both are unethical and are crimes.
But overall I still liked it when I first read it, I think the problem came when the side stories were published. I was very interested in the dynamic, I thought it was a separate story, like a what if situation, not their past life. Well, the experience was interesting, of course, their dynamic was completely different as well as their characterization, it wasn't that carefree as before and was more realistic on who was rich and who was the commoner. Being clip about this, it was horrific? It's been awhile so, yes, but the omega pretty much went away because he was going in heat, and he didn't want to have a baby, but the alpha due to circumstance, found them and had sex with them, giving the omega an unwanted pregnancy (taking off the cloth that was inside them, which was the condom back in the day) Which I can argue as rape since he didn't want it, but other factors such as pheromones come into play so that's a bit challenging, but non consent either way is rape, I don't consider being pheromone high as being able to give consent, it's like being drunk; additionally the alpha was more awake than the omega despite being affected by pheromones, they were aware of the mark too. Second was after that, when the omega was supposed to travel again, the alpha locked him up in the storage so that he can "think" about the offer of them staying, the omega went away, but had to go back because he was marked and because he became pregnant. Which the alpha was aware of, and used to her advantage; despite efforts from the omega to get the babies aborted. During all this the omega still had mixed feelings of resentment and "love" towards her, till he had to agree to stay till he gives birth. The conclusion of it was that the babies die in his womb, and in his last moments he was begging for his life, saying that the babies were a nuisance and that he didn't love the alpha, but he was denied care because of prejudice and because he was in critical condition, so he died with the babies anyways. And the alpha basically says that, she knows she'll just hurt him in every timeline so it was better for them not to meet at all, but that if ever given the chance, wants to make it up to them, which brings us to the main storyline. Honestly. That was not needed at all, that destroyed the thin layer of tolerance I had. Anyways, I stopped reading and recommending this story after that.
no connection but damn this is the longest comment i've read here in this site
The story has good world building, and a more realistic flare to the murim world, despite internal energy and the MC's x-ray ability and such being included.
The inclusion of history, politics, and power dynamics within each place and the timeline is magnificent, honestly they're so heavy that it's kind of hard to grasp, but it's all well and worth it.
I especially like the characterization in each character, sometimes it's fast paced or left stagnant, but when they do have character arcs they're so satisfying; they explore the inner workings of each person, personality, motivations, etc.
I also love the inclusion of how the politics of higher powers, especially corrupt ones, affect those in the lower status.
It's really good!
Now for my honest review, or critiques;
As like any other non-fic inclusion to any plot, more so when it's heavily referenced, it's hard to keep up with the important details such as names, titles, places, and time. Especially when said history is not your own, it will be hard to keep up with;
now I'm not saying this to say that that's bad, there's only so much a person can add to explain each detail in creating something like this, the notes were helpful but definitely not enough. Not saying this to discourage anyone from reading, I honestly love this story and will continue reading, but just in case you don't like stories that needs you to pay attention to detail or be mindful for a block of information. . .
One of my actual critiques for this is the pacing for each character, or to say their appearances in each arc. You'll be introduced to a lot of characters who will spend some time with the mc, that'll make you think that they'll be there forever, but in a lot of points they will suddenly disappear without any explanation, and will continue on for a number of chapters, till they suddenly appear again. It's not that much of a problem, but it's definitely some sort of hole to the story's pacing and quality. It will feel a little random, and make you think whether this character or that is even relevant to the story still, since they possessed incredible growth or plot potential before suddenly disappearing.
Second critique or actually no, just a concern, is whether this has a romance twist in it. I'm well aware about the interest the women characters showed towards the mc, but what I'm concerned about is whether it'd be reciprocated. The mc is 35years old more or less, an estimate as he died when he was in his 30s and transmigrated when the body was 15years old or so, and he's now 20. So, if there is romance, I'm hoping that it'd be with someone not that far from his age.
Good presentation. Are you studying media journalism and critiqued writing?
Nope, but I did have to study the basics for both of those because of my track, as well as some competitions.
Well that's more than basic, its excellent.
I never expected this to ever happen in this site but thank you so much!
Your very welcome. Not every reader is a school kid. There are a lot of well educated mature females on here. Your writing, grammar and presentation will open up wonderful opportunities for you. My colleagues agree also. We work in/on media reviews. No scrap that-we are bloody slaves to the industry. Lol! The best of luck in your endeavours.
It was cute at first, but then I noticed that he was the only one with shorts and not pants? I tried skimming through the next chapters to hopefully prove me wrong, but after the last panel where the fox sees his underwear and describes it as "children's style" I immediately got the ick. It was too close to shotacon territory, unfortunately.
Yea I commented on this indirectly and got bombed with 21 dislikes like dam if u like kids so much go ahead
Yeah I get that it was supposed to show that he is still naive (despite it was his brother that got it for him) but that wasn’t needed
If I remember right at some chapters his friend hong(?) also wears shorts but still I agree with you. I'm so sick of authors' making ukes' look like children or making grown ass men think like middle school girls just bc they are uke so they should be naive. In a manga I read, uke is a lawyer at a big law firm and he thinks like a bad written shoujo mc. Ugh.
I don't think I have to explain, this being marked as romance while the manhwa has blatant abuse and borderline human trafficking or modern slavery of sorts is insane.
Read the first chapters, even going as far as skimming through the others, it's blatant Stockholm syndrome. I don't know why some people will lable this as love, it's not, it's sick psychological illnesses is what it is. Kidnapping and threatening him on the first day to draw porn so that he can get erect was literally the whole introduction of their relationship, continues on to him basically getting raped because what standing does he have to even reject him, the power dynamics are not it, and that was literally the plot for awhile. I don't care what sort of character development that guy gets, it's sick, it's even more horrid that he ends up with his abuser.
Bestie, just have a look at the comment section of many BLs, they are full of grapist apologists. But 'he has trauma', but 'he has character development and now regrets everything', but 'he has some sob story', but 'he is so hot', but 'his eyes now are so full of love', but 'they are so cute together' and many other blah blah blah.
I know, honestly more horrific. At least this one is fictional, I can call it out, but those are real people with a brain, who spent time and effort typing those, very concerning.
Waa waa boohoo it’s a fucking fantasy comic get over yourself
TELL EM
honestly, seeing as this is the only coherent argument you can come up with, I can see why you like this. Perhaps reading something more educational, or something as simply touching grass will help you accumulate more braincells for thinking in a more logical way. I wish your mental health well.
this reply is too pathetic to be honest
just don't give a f*ck about them :D
it's ok, I reply for fun sometimes. It's entertaining to call out pathetic things once in awhile.
More like I ain’t give a fuck about whatever high horse shit you’re on right now, nobody gives a fuck, if anyone did this manhwa wouldn’t be half as popular as it is. You don’t like it but you read through it enough to comment on it. You, sitting here on this FREE manga website (illegal btw for all of us) to be sitting here telling me to go read something educational or go touch grass is really hilarious. What a comedian. We’re all here to get our separate kicks with our preferred manga, and you feel the need to give your superior opinion. ALSO, I know for a fact you haven’t paid to read the other two seasons of this so you, in fact, know shit about shit. But thank you for stopping by to drop an opinion nobody gives a flying fuck about
This is hilarious. A comment section or a "review" so to say, is there for a reason? For people to put in opinions, whether they hold any importance or not doesn't matter initially. This is my personal take and observation, whether you like rape porn or not is not of my concern, clearly you don't have the mindset for this kind of discussions. It's been days since my reply, I see you had to take your time to reply nonsense like, "More like I don't give a fuck on whatever high horse shit blabla etc etc" is so funny. You can't even articulate a smart response without using garbage language, so many words wasted to say, "I don't care I like rape porn"
honestly i can stomach a lot of shit, but reading potn kinda broke me, and thats pretty hard to do. i dont care if its just fantasy or whatever, you think having a bit of sex and showing affection can make someone forgive a person for being abused, kidnapped, raped etc? i read potn on another website, and most of the comments there also included the users' bio's, and they were ALL 13-15. they legit included their age in their bio. and they all enjoyed every chapter of potn... so my conclusion is, getting desensitized from shit like this earlier in your life will make you LOVE reading BLs romanticizing rape later. if i showed potn to any woman older than me, she'd be terrified. so dont lie. it was BAD.
It's porn... and you're here to read porn too... you ain't better than anyone here
The circle jerk in here is crazy
i definitely am not but still doesnt mean i didnt feel like shit reading this
The beginning is a rough read I admit but they do develop a bond of mutual respect and trust. Nakyum reads him like a book and essentially tames him. Id like to say the beginning is bad and the middle to end is very sweet, tragic but still romantic. I haven’t been able to find romance in any BLs lately and I was really surprised to find it at all in this one.
I'm not here to read porn. I read this a few years ago when it just came out, and was a big fuss on the internet. I was curious was the fuss was about and wanted to see for myself, but it turned out to be something very, yeah.
It's just horrific to me that something like that needed to happen in the first place, I do read dark things, but to romanticize said dark things and cover it up with development doesn't sit well. Nakyum is a victim, I didn't like how he ended up with his abuser. That's about it.
your only defense being assuming that everyone's here to read deranged porn like yourself and calling people jerks is cute.
i'm only going to say this bc i dont wanna keep on adding to this thread... but there were PLENTY of moments after this "development" which gave me the ick. i know this happens in a time where abuse and domestic violence is not as frowned upon as it is now, but it just does NOT excuse how seungho hid a LOT from him, threatened his older sister to kill her if she steps inside his residence again, keeps a secret the fact that she sent him letters multiple times etc. im sorry but this is not right. and bro okay, you talk about mutual trust and respect, but for the most of the webtoon, i didnt see that. especially from seungho. not to mention how creepy it is to say that nakyum "tamed" seungho. all in all, if seungho was some very ugly dude or older, im sure no one would find this romantic. or if nakyum was a woman. or if seungho was nakyum's creepy ass farmer neighbor, keeping him caged in his little hut
I didn’t think calling it “taming” a beast would be such a creepy thing to say but alright… I feel like you looked over the part where I said middle to the end. The beginning was f*cked up that’s all I really had to say. It seemed as though the writer half way through realized they wanted Seungho to be nice all of a sudden which we can thank for poor writing. I guess I should have worded it more critically. Seungho lying was before he realized he cared more about Nakyum not fearing him. Probably not wanting to reveal he had been lying even moreso because he finally realized. I think him lying makes the development realistic. At this point he is still trying to be better about his temper but still fears those he cares about will either leave or be taken from him. I had just finished the manwha when I wrote that comment and that was coming from someone fawning over the last chapters. I would rate the whole thing 2/10 and the middlish to end an 7/10. 10/10 without the grape and physical abuse :)
I tapped on this as a joke, already expecting it to be a porn without plot story, but to have the first chapters already showcasing doctors being unethical, basically molesting and implying rape? And judging from the comments, this goes on in the next chapters with actual rape? Horrific. I'm glad they don't end up together (spoiled by the comments) but was this really necessary? It would've been somewhat good if the molestation and rape was portrayed as something bad, but treating it as something insignificant that never happened or normalizing it as something recurring is sick.
Also there's a user out there that keeps disliking comments that calls out this manhwa for the rape section (being bad), they need to get their history checked because that's insane.
unfortunately v normal, i used to get really hateful messages for calling out this stuff
that's even more horrible, and sad. It just shows how much of people's media literacy or even direct empathy is lost, replaced by lust. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with reading erotica just for the sake of it, but even that has ethics to follow, like recognizing how pedophilia and rape such as this is wrong. The fact that people are thinking it worth while to hate on you for calling it out is actually insane.
Keep doing what you're doing in calling it out to be honest, hopefully more people with sense will do the same and that will be normalized instead.
womp womp its yaoi
the mere fact that you can't type anything more intelligent and coherent than "womp womp" says a lot, more so when your only logic and argument is "it's yaoi". Please do yourself a favor and touch grass, or read something educational for once, develop your brain or something, for your own health <3
literally.... these fucking people
This story, the plot, characters, art, was so beautiful and interesting! It was well written, the psychological aspects of each character as well as their development, not to mention the world building such as abilities and the politics! It was all going good.
Until the 14(?)yo girl classmate was introduced, I forgot her age and what exactly their relationship is due to it being awhile, but it's near. She was introduced as a character that eventually catches feelings for the protagonist, which was ok, had the protagonist not been an adult man in a child's body. I was hopeful when the protagonist said that accepting her feelings would be wrong due to their age difference, but when I checked the ending of the novel, they got married?
Though please do not quote me on this and check for yourself, the novel version I acquired had a horrendous translation, but enough for me to vaguely understand that he got married. Anyways, I didn't continue further, I am not inclined in wasting my time to read pedophilia.
Bro you can only get married when of age so idk how that would be pedophilia
It's because of their mental age difference. Although I do get your point about her being of age someday, I still feel uncomfortable about the fact that if you add his age from when he was alive to his new life, he's basically triple or quadruple her age. It doesn't matter to me if she turns into an adult some day, the fact that he's much older mentally just doesn't bode well, in any case.
That's ageist though? Don't you think?..and that it is too much to even define pedo based on the number age of mind alone, you must not confuse it we only use the numbers because in general as a member of our species, younger means inexperienced, naive and easily influenced.
If humans are born with maturity and intellect fully developed, age wouldn't even be a measure of how we define pedo it's a matter of maturity and the nature of the relationship....people should have freedom who they love as long as both parties are of age and attained proper (to make your statement even worse the reality of this world many people just age and don't even mature properly. We only use age to assume maturity which is highly unreliable) maturity where the relationship they established is based on mutual respect and recognizing each other as equals and individuals with their own thoughts feeling valued in the same measure.
Pedophilia and grooming is the exact opposite....power play rules it and is run by manipulation....that in context alone is evil.
you lost me at ageist, I will be honest that I skimmed through your explanation after that. But their relationship is different? The girl doesn't know that he is an adult man in a child's body, imagine not knowing that you're marrying yourself to an 80yo man as a 20yo?
This also makes him very much older than her in age and maturity, which is very important when it comes to relationships, even those that are legal despite age gaps. The main character also expressed awkwardness on the prospect of accepting a 14yo girl's feelings because he is aware of his age, which should have been enough.
To add to this, if he met her while she is 14yo, and he did, he basically saw her grow up, which makes the relationship weirder. Viewing her as a child because she is a child, watching her grow up, and then marrying her? Is weird.
Also, you explaining how maturity cannot be defined by age alone is true, but that doesn't erase the fact that this man have went through much more than her, and is therefore good context about his self awareness, which even he, again, expresses in one of the chapters.
I think I explained it properly when I mentioned recognition and respect meaning honesty and sincerity is present. You assumed a lot of things to support your "claim" that the protagonist and the said character are marrying each other I have yet to see that in the comics or if there is any reference do refresh me I likely would have forgotten....an it has been consistently shown that he is not interested.....and yes to settle what I meant regarding views....there is nothing wrong with a 20 yr old and 80 or even 800 yr old entering a relationship as long as there is maturity, sincerity, communication and respect. Being against it even after having the said qualities is infact AGEIST......both are consenting adults that made mature decisions and they are free to do so and to find fault in it is discrimination and a trespass on their liberties.
Watching the other person grow up and it being weird is a matter of preference and is irrelevant to the logic of how their relationship should be seen you might find it weird yes but is it really relevant? If both parties are fine and fully understands the nature of their relationship is it truly wrong?
Pedo and grooming are wrong not because it is weird it is wrong because it is rooted in manipulation and blatant disregard to the liberties and possibility of choice of the minor, to make sense it is the taking of the mental state of an underdeveloped person and trying to mold it to fulfill a selfish desire that is fundamentally evil. Not how weird it looks like. It's literal mental imprisonment and depravation.
And again maturity is a state of mind Imagine a setting involving a 500 year old god of youth with a mind and a demeanor of a 12 year old ...falling in love with a 30 year old person.....and the 30 year old agreeing justifying they are of age since they are older? Is this pedo?
The answer is freaking yes and they are definitely a creep.
"nothing wrong" with a 20yo marrying a 80yo? I GET what you mean about sincerity, but what you said by EQUAL standing requires not just maturity but age, you cannot call it equal if one person LACKS the experience an 80yo person has over a 20yo. You're completely missing the point, yes pedophilia and grooming are rooted in manipulation, but those are rooted in the experience the other has over the naive. Nativity isn't just innocence, it is also inexperience that comes with being younger.
I think you defending a 20yo being with an 80yo is concerning, honestly problematic. You view people by "maturity" but lack the capacity to view it in a sense of experience that comes with age, you call me ageist for calling out pedophilia? And use vocabulary such "our species" a common trait shared by incels to call women as "females", which is concerning, though I know it's an assumption on my part; but the way you're still adamant in protecting this relationship, even going as far as saying that a 60years age gap is ok, between a 20yo, recently turned young adult mind you, college age, marrying a grandpa? That's enough proof about your morals.
I'm not ageist, you yourself is just a creep.
What's so hard to understand man. He's a full on grown and old adult who according to the other user marries the girl who's much MUCH younger in age than him.
How is that acceptable?? You go on a rant bout ageism this ageism that and honestly I WOULD'VE agreed if the age diff was like one was 22 and other was 25-26 or sum BUT they share a whole couple of decades age difference.
Why do you think ppl don't like it when a 19 yr old dates a 25yr old but accept 30yr old w a 35 yr old?? It's because the difference in maturity lvl in the first scenario is much higher than the latter one. So does our mc n that girl.
It's not that hard to accept that it's weird for mc to marry a woman who has much lower maturity than him. It is not ageism, it's just facts and you just don't seem to understand it.
I laughed hard in ageism part, I didnt know that this exist. But seriously, its weird how authors like to push a child to a man when they can introduce more mature women into him someday.
Creep? The only creep here and problematic are people who are trying to interfere with two consenting adults practicing their liberties and freedom as two mature people. Who are you anyway two be against of what they want to be and prevent them from being so? Its their goddamn right to do whatever they want to as long as they are not hurting anyone.
The ONLY POINT HERE:
IF TWO MATURE ADULTS WHO ARE WILLING AND AWARE OF THE VERY NATURE AND GAP OF THEIR AGE, UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, AND ARE ENTERING THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP....THEY CAN DO SO HOWEVER THEY WANT.
YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
you are starting to sound like an unhinged dictator trying to proclaim a law against something you don't have full comprehension of.
You just don't like it and you plainly admited it that you are AGEIST and you are one of the problems why couples with big age GAPs are shamed.
AND Again MATURITY IS NOT ONLY MEASURED BY TIME. You keep equating OLDER means more mature and experienced a 20 year old can be more experieced and an expert than a 40 year old it depend on many factors specially the manner of how they used their time in this world.
Like for example you. Its neigh time you expand your narrow thinking. and use your limited time to stop being a BIGOT.
Being a BIGOT is sad because you judge everything with your limited range refusing to accept that there are other thing aside from what you see on your line of sight....it isolates you and makes you angry all the time....all I can feel is pity when I encounter people like you....cause man that must be exhausting.....specially when the solution is simple....all you have to do is look around and try to understand.
PS: you saying that I am problematic "because I said two mature adults of very vast age gaps being in a relationship is not wrong".
Ironically makes you look very prejudiced and problematic.
When it only meant "two of age and mature people entered a mature relationship"
It just happened that they have a huge age gap.
Yes it is ageist to be like that it is not a joke. I agree with you though that authors tend to fetishize this specific theme which I detest too...because statistically this type of relationship is not common specially with society's stance on this matter....comics and other media always almost fail to present properly.
God the things I would be a keyboard warrior for just to combat bigotry....I don't even like huge age gaps the thought of it gives me the shivers. But It is our duty as human being of capable mind to understand.......
I've seen 30yrs olds dating 50yr olds....these people are inlove living their lives happy and helping the community....
you say a 20 year old and and an 80 year old is so wrong in that story if its a 20 year old dating a 2000 year old vampire why does it even matter? If they are aware of the circumstance?
Is it a matter of manipulation? Couples with no age gap can do that and it happens all the time in abusive relationships.
You people make it seem that couples that have no age gaps in an abusive relationship is still more acceptable than couples with huge age gaps that are in a loving and respectful relationships.
This story could've lived without romance, the character themselves expressed how wrong it would be for them to accept the girl's feelings because of said age gap, the very obvious fact that she's 14 right now and he's a grown man, and that he basically watched her grew up. I have no qualms with age gaps in loving relationships, but there are moral limits. You can't sum it all up to just love.
Did you even read the comics? She was not even part of the protags adventures. He just knows she exists...and I am jus speaking if it ever did become a romance....my point still stands 10yr or 2000 yr age gap? If there is no grooming happened and both parties are mature and aware of their circumstance and still decided using BOTH OF THEIR FREE WILL.....they can do what they want.....prejudiced people can keep their opinions to themselves.
The only moral limit is if any of them acted in violation of their free will or instances where actions that leads to dramatic influence on the person's psche aka. grooming this also includes deceit...so if the said person became aware of the circumstance have attained reasonable maturity and have willingly accepted it as their reality.....they have the right to pursue whatever they want.
I am not aware of how it ends in the novel but to put it short if the character did not know they are marying an 80 year old and the protag still proceeds.....then thats effin disappointing and disgusting...not because of the age but because of the deceit.
Yes I did read the manhwa, till the latest episode when I read it before going to the novel to check, if you read my comment fully maybe you would've connected that. Also, "prejudiced" really? Being an older person, watching a 14yo girl grow up and then marrying them IS weird. Yes age gaps can have healthy relationships, I agree with that, but it's weird how you can watch a kid grow up and then date them, like you were old when they were a kid and practically watched them as their guardian. I didn't bother reading your two other comments because you clearly didn't read my og comment till the end. You're weird. I am not prejudiced, you just tolerate pedophilia under some guise that you're fighting for age gap relationships having the possibility of being healthy, which I never said couldn't, the circumstances in this manhwa is just different from what you're saying.
Dude don't respond to the sicko. It's obvious that person has some screws loose in their head. If you keep engaging with them, you'll only get annoyed.
For real HAHAHAHHAHA
That person seems to have atypical perception of things.
Watch them grow up? Did they live together? Did they go about the world as student and teacher? Did he go about preying on her? Its easy to use logic....the dude did not pursue her as a child...she just now her when she was child. That is no different from a 30 year old marrying a 50 year old.....cause the person was 10 when the other was 20.
Yeah 20 year old marrying 80 is pedo.....you people cannot even be specific with your logic its already laid out and I am clear with my statement if she is aware that the dude is 80 and she is on her right mind and still went for it...she can do however she wish.
You sir certainly have no use of yur logic and your code of ethics is only within what you find palatable to your narrow mind.....atypical is not the word its logical....people should have freedom and comfort of how they want to live in this world as long a they are not hurting anyone and are contributing to society......I don't have screws to tighten cause clearly my mind is sound enough to dicern this. you can call me names all you want just because you cannot think further from what you can feel...but its not my fault that you lack the understanding to comprehend this.....as a human you have that responsibility....if the girl is 20 and aware of all the circumstance and still went for it to pursue what she thinks is good for her....she can however she wants........you guys just went and impose that its a "moral" responsibilty just because you find the age gap too big to be palatable....well if they both want it and they are on their right mind went for it and you found the idea as immoral....if we applied logic there you guys are the immoral people willing to deny and shame people just because their choices are unsavory in your views. In short you are PREJUDICED and are BIGOTS....plain and simple
Okay I dont want to argue with your logic that seems inconsistent because you keep blabbering.
But I will answer you this once. Your logic at first comment was defending that this isnt a pedophilia as what was refered to this:
"That's ageist though? Don't you think?..and that it is too much to even define pedo based on the number age of mind alone"
Your arguing on how it is not a pedo, which is what was the concern of the original topic. But, your statement now changed to:
"Yeah 20 year old marrying 80 is pedo"
And your now defining it whit age as implied to what you reply on fellaine
Now my arguement is that I didnt care whether the girl pursued the MC because it was her own action, not that I think it was right or wrong, since I dont know whether the MC already confessed his secret to her. However, in the perspective of the MC, pursuing a 20 year old girl is already pedo which is morally wrong.
The original topic even said that:
" I was hopeful when the protagonist said that accepting her feelings would be wrong due to their age difference, but when I checked the ending of the novel, they got married?"
Just like how your arguement is inconsistent, the MC or the author also is inconsistent with their opinion about the girl, when the MC at first didnt want the girl because it is pedo, but the ending stated otherwise.
It was certainly pedophilia and you keep changing your statement. Thus, would I even call it a logic if you dont even defend your original arguement that it wasnt a pedophilia.
Okay I dont want to argue with your logic that seems inconsistent because you keep blabbering.
But I will answer you this once. Your logic at first comment was defending that this isnt a pedophilia as what was refered to this:
"That's ageist though? Don't you think?..and that it is too much to even define pedo based on the number age of mind alone"
Your arguing on how it is not a pedo, which is what was the concern of the original topic. But, your statement now changed to:
"Yeah 20 year old marrying 80 is pedo"
And your now defining it whit age as implied to what you reply on fellaine
Now my arguement is that I didnt care whether the girl pursued the MC because it was her own action, not that I think it was right or wrong, since I dont know whether the MC already confessed his secret to her. However, in the perspective of the MC, pursuing a 20 year old girl is already pedo which is morally wrong.
The original topic even said that:
" I was hopeful when the protagonist said that accepting her feelings would be wrong due to their age difference, but when I checked the ending of the novel, they got married?"
Just like how your arguement is inconsistent, the MC or the author also is inconsistent with their opinion about the girl, when the MC at first didnt want the girl because it is pedo, but the ending stated otherwise.
It was certainly pedophilia and you keep changing your statement. Thus, would I even call it a logic if you dont even defend your original arguement that it wasnt a pedophilia.
Okay I dont want to argue with your logic that seems inconsistent because you keep blabbering.
But I will answer you this once. Your logic at first comment was defending that this isnt a pedophilia as what was refered to this:
"That's ageist though? Don't you think?..and that it is too much to even define pedo based on the number age of mind alone"
Your arguing on how it is not a pedo, which is what was the concern of the original topic. But, your statement now changed to:
"Yeah 20 year old marrying 80 is pedo"
And your now defining it whit age as implied to what you reply on fellaine
Now my arguement is that I didnt care whether the girl pursued the MC because it was her own action, not that I think it was right or wrong, since I dont know whether the MC already confessed his secret to her. However, in the perspective of the MC, pursuing a 20 year old girl is already pedo which is morally wrong.
The original topic even said that:
" I was hopeful when the protagonist said that accepting her feelings would be wrong due to their age difference, but when I checked the ending of the novel, they got married?"
Just like how your arguement is inconsistent, the MC or the author also is inconsistent with their opinion about the girl, when the MC at first didnt want the girl because it is pedo, but the ending stated otherwise.
It was certainly pedophilia and you keep changing your statement. Thus, would I even call it a logic if you dont even defend your original arguement that it wasnt a pedophilia.
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My gosh how will I delete this, I didnt knew that it will be put in the 2nd page
Haha dude that aya person is literally a braindead zombie. Not worth fighting a person who's clearly not in a stable mind lol the way they try so hard to justify the age gap makes me think that they're doing the same and are a creep
Marrying 20 to 80....I don't mean to be demeaning but if it was not obvious that was a figure of speech to point out how staryed from logic you guys think...I understand how it feels though because I was in that position before.....if you truly read my comments. Your replies will not be as incoherent as this...
repeating from that said previous comment....my logic is simple as humans we use age as a simple metric to prove maturity which in most cases is true to how our society works older means more mature in thinking, laws also use that because in order for laws to work things need to be specific (but there are some exceptions thats why sometimes minors are put into trial as ADULTS).
But maturity is an abstract construct and humans can reach mental maturity (pls. Do not confuse this with physical maturity) at far earlier or later age depending on the enviroment.
What I am saying here is the law still speaks true as it is a good measure of things most of time that is why they are debated over before being approved.
My argument is a matter of not etirely if it is pedo or not but this is just a small part. The main argument is should you be shaming people of age making adult decisions themselves and labeling it as pedo even if they acted on it on their free will free from any maliciously designed influence?
Regardless of what the character thinks or feels or even the author.....the action alone speaks for itself....they did not do anything wrong if they pursued a relationship maturely and of freewill.
I hope I made that as easy to comprehend as possible.
Well your way of justifying things seems typical to your type of people..."I am too lazy to think so lets just group people in categories using ill designed names"....I am so heartbroken whenever I realize the state of how education is brought to this planet specially in this decade of the century. Honey you are using a smartphone now...it would not hurt to read a bit...you can do better than that.
And sorry dear it gives me the shivers....not my cup of tea so no. But I know married people of huge age gaps to understand this if 20 years is a huge gap then I think I have the right to claim that I understand...they married when they were 30 and 50....creepy in your opinion right?....the only creepy here is your prejudice...grow up and broaden your horizons.
Dontttttt careeee I ain't reading allat go to mental hospital psycho creepy bitch
Says the one who bothered to reply...I got the last laugh cause trash like you cant resist to reply, you pathetic dim witted degenerate....evolution will take care of you.....hope you have a bad week cause karma follow BIGOTS like you...hope you learn hard.
@Aya Waahh waahhh cry me a river lil creep you need to be studied by the psychiatrist lol. Also go to a mental hospital to get your loose screws fixed. You're a loser and a creep who defends weird ass age gaps. Tell your parents I said sorry to them cause they have a creep for a child I feel so bad for them. Looks like someone's mad. Did you wittle feelings got hurt that why you dwecided to block me
Guess it's done now cause all I see is blank haha blocked... What you even wrote there? Bet it's not even readable you talk weird cause don't think well... See a cognitive specialist....bye have fun being ignorant..... Born ignorant, lived ignorant, die ignorant.... Not that different with a cockroach..... You can reply some more.... Enjoy... Ignorance is such bliss.
getting called a bigot by a pedophile supporter is insane. Yes, age gaps can have healthy relationships, I've mentioned this multiple times, but there is a limit and moral code to abide by. Dating someone that can basically be your daughter or granddaughter is creepy, because what business do you have doing it in the first place? Having a 14yo confess to you as a 60+yo is something you should avoid and not encourage, dating them once they turned into adults is the same. Because you've seen them as someone SIGNIFICANTLY younger than you before, you've watched them grow up, and in this context yes, because they literally spend time together, he has formed a deep connection with her, enough to treat her as something more than an acquaintance. This isn't a chance encounter sort of story where they meet and they're both adults, this isn't those fantasy loopholed stories where one is an immortal and another is a mortal. It's one where they literally spend time together as kids, or in this case she's a kid and he's an adult, and him being fully aware that her confession of feelings is weird inside his narrative because he's older. Yes it is weird to accept it later on because again, she was a child when they met, he saw her grow up, like how a father does to his child. As the adult, and OLDER person, you have a moral obligation to not accept that person's feelings, yes they can make decisions of their own since they're adults by then, but so are you, and you're older, you should have better character, morals and values I mean. You calling people bigots, closed minded and shallow, for calling out pedophilic stories is a problem, because it reflects on your own beliefs. I frankly don't care if you feel insulted by insults, because you're a creep. Your feelings did get hurt, I know it, you wouldn't have blocked anyone if it didn't get hurt. Do some soul searching or something, maybe it'd help.
Out of context but this is by far the longest argument I saw in Mangago.
You didnt get to see the prime days of this website, especially in the question sections in the home of this website. Arguments would length to 6 or more pages because different people will try ot take part in a conversation HAHAHAHAHAHHA
Wow, I don't really read comments before. Such a waste I didn't get to see those arguments lolol.
Jesus you keep on saying pedo here and that look up the meaning of the word before you use it. The fact that you refuse to even fact check just proves your bigotry. Did you honestly see the protag pursue the girl when she was 14?
I am not gonna waste anymore of my precious brain cells on you....I did my portion to help you shed your bigotry do your part and overcome that yourself....I have papers to finish lab work that need tending to....all I can say is good luck.
Lastly...We have our moral codes to abide? "YOUR MORAL CODE"! not theirs.
If both parties are adults and they are entering a relationship using free will....you don't have a say on what they do or pursue.
Respect other's free will....if you even have the decency to do that.I dont care of insults your not the first one I tried to free from ignorance......muting this thread cause no results are gained from talking to a wall...I did my part do yours bye....be critical and question everything thats our burden as human beings.
I honestly didn't notice that you were the same person that called me ageist, and now you're calling people bigots. What a strange train of thought.
Strange? Bigotry is caused by prejudice.....ageism is a form of prejudice?....I am the one confused why you can't connect the dots....well with what has transpired frankly I cannot be more surprised.
Supporting pedophilia is strange.
Well if you read what I wrote it specifically say that what you are describing is not pedophilia and you are just being ageist...simple as that...use the dictionary and define paedophila.....you keep throwing words you have no idea of.....like seriously you guys have smartphones.
@Aya Supporting pedophilia is strange.
@fellaine being a Bigot is sad...learn your vocabulary and diffrenciate ageism from pedophilia.
@fellaine. a 20 year old and an 80 year old marrying each other and you not liking it is not pedophilia thats just you being an ageist.
@fellaine if they want it leave them be both are adults if they don't want it they have the freedom to terminate the marriage on their own....don't be a Karen and keep you bigotry to yourself. Respect their freedom.
@Aya supporting pedophilia is creepy.
@Aya supporting the relationship between a 14yo girl and almost grandpa aged man is creepy pedophile behavior.
I had tried reading this manhwa for the sole purpose of seeing the children, but in reading only a few chapters I realized that this was nothing but a porn without plot book. There was porn in every form of conflict and achievement, fighting? solve it with sex. Achievement? celebrate with sex. And any other event in the story, even going as far as announcing it to the media. There was a lot of unnecessary smut and publication of it during the plot, everyone basically knew.
I even tried going as far as to read the plot itself, and to be honest it's actually really messed up. I've heard from others that this was a contractual relationship, and I've read the part where the omega tries to run away due to the alpha not going with his word and wanting him to stay for their child, which to me is unethical. It's a contract, though I understand the "romance" included, what fully tripped me off was that the omega was hated for their decision as if their relationship was actually an emotional one. The guilt tripping and gaslighting, as well as the power dynamics included in this makes me want to vomit. I don't know how anyone can read their relationship and call it love, it's borderline Stockholm syndrome and baby trapping.
But I digress, since I couldn't really stomach reading such a thing, I can't account for a lot of other plot sections that might have changed my mind. So although I wouldn't recommend this with anyone, I won't also encourage it.
Reading this brings fresh nostalgia, it reminds me of Assassination Classroom a little, if you liked that anime then I heavily recommend this one for you! Not to say that this is a copy paste, but something to definitely read if you like that kind of trope.
Additionally, this one has its own set of characters and uniqueness, just like how "Ultimate Otaku Teacher" is unique in its own way compared to AC.
The magic systems applied and the politics or hidden politics included in this, as well as the educational system applied in Orion is simple yet well thought out, of course there are still some gaps since we are in the early stages of the manga, but overall it's interesting already. The world building is exceptional despite the lack of information, as we are limited to our mc, unreliable narrator, and the school, or class itself.
The plot of having "Egg Cracking" and how the story progressed from the inevitable future to something more noble such as saving children, but still not letting go of their origin is a star to me.
I also love the details added, like how the magic works, the history with witches, or the star in their eyes.
But most importantly I love the characterization. The uniqueness found in each character is already well known tropes, already seen in a lot of stories and shows like this one, but it never gets old. The spice added in this is the mc himself, who grew to be cold and only wanting praise to see his worth, the interest in this is, such a person was the one who initiated to save the children, hesitant yes, but the fact that he even considered questioning why they became evil was the cherry on top. I love seeing the character growth in this, he's just not there to help guide them, they're guiding him in return too. The detail where they prefer his true self than his act is also wonderful.
There is potential in this manga despite the cliches and tropes, I would love to read more, now that we also have the plot of Shao's star in his eye being odd!