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EXACTLY! When I read that part I stopped scrolling and sighed.

I wanna know 2

It seems she was captured as a labor slave, most likely illegally. But since she is underage, when coming of age at 18 she should be released, but her owner wanted her to change to a pet slave. Which would have made her their slave indefinitely until she was bought by someone. Labor slave is a temporary, either for earning money or debt, and usually is not allowed to be abused or used for sex. Pet slave, she would be a slave for the rest of her life, unless owner releases her(in some Mangas u can't change to being free) u also have war slaves which are basically prisoner or people from enemy countries being slaves, usually treated the worst like disposables and they can go under any category slave work

(￣∇￣") I think XD, think I used all my manga knowledge on remembering this XD

Can also just be that the administrator noticed that she was an illegal slave and was not supposed to be one, so they just released her. Or that the amount/time of work was more than what she needed to do. Idk XD

Character development 100

Then go back there go back and time where having a thin waist was the only thing ppl wanted oh wait that’s now and also the ppl that were poor would have to wear ones that weren’t tailored to fit their body so imagine how that felt. STOP ROMANTICIZING CORSET!

It was shown that women had a less life span because of this. Like the corset was so tight that it would mess up the organ shape and also make it hard to breath for them because the lungs were. Squeezing each other

Even if some images are exaggerated, even if if too happen too love this sometimes beautiful fashion item - many things can be true side by side - even truth that brings contradictory feelings, so i like corsets but i don’t think they were healthy in many ways, and still think they need to be worn with awareness, because they can pause minor health risks
For example, modern medical corsets can be used as a support to grow if you have serious spinal problems or after an accident, but outside of those circumstances they substitute for the good building of appropriate abdominal and back muscles : those muscles are a real protection, necessary for back health
So long term use of corset can be seriously damaging, it needs to be accompanied by reeducation to exercise the body parts that could become atrophied - Of course, like lumbar belts they can help going through strenuous efforts like lifting or carrying heavy stuff : but learning a good and safe posture is still needed and these are not meant to be worn for several hours straight !
Nowadays there are few people that do need continuous use of corsets for a few years : believe me, when they are really happy to be freed from these difficult instrument
And old time corset were like a cage, exactly like high heels, binding shoes or heavy skirts - they may be pretty, but they also deeply reduced freedom of movement : no women in these apparel could have any kind ok important physical activities , that absolutely contribute to the image of women being weak
Corset were an hindrance to both eating and breathing, on top of weakening the back - some vital activities ?
Contrary to us who can leisurely wear one as we please, without necessarily much care to how we wear them, many women had no choice to say no - even if they disliked it - getting rid of corsets was also getting rid of social pressure, it certainly never has been easy and may explain some violent « anti » documents

Lastly, for any fashion lovers who fancy wearing them : doing weddings photos, i have seen more than once that corsets are still something that can make you faint - so wear them carefully , there’s really no point in tightening them too hard, it’s still plenty pretty ;)
Peace, beautiful people

It smooshes organs together

Besides those two links below, do also check Bernadette Banner on YT.

How Victorian Men Taught Us to Hate Corsets: The Biggest Lie in Fashion History
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNwTqanp0Aw
HOW VICTORIANS AND EDWARDIANS FAKED THEIR TINY WAISTS!!!1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXbcPgfiB0Q

well it depends because now people know about the affects on health so they tighten them a normal amount so as you said it is not uncomfortable but back then people would tighten them to the point of compressing their organs and ribs

corsets were extremely dangerous back then and women had to accentuate their corset extremely tight making it difficult to even satisfy themselves with a meal. Imagine around 3 maids pulling on the strings of your corset to tighten it to the point that its a bit difficult to breathe. People can now wear corsets safely because many people modified it to be safe and people do not ask for others help to pull the strings of your corset so tight as back then.

Correction wealthy women would wear it to accentuate their waist. For the most part women her were of the poor classes wore them comfortably like we can now. It was underwear for them. Stop spreading misinformation. There's a difference between fashion trends in the past and now. Fashion trends in the past were mainly for the wealthy who could afford to keep up with them. Now we have mass produced clothing that is cheap so most can keep up with the trends. Tightlacing was a fashion trend for the rich. But those who were poorer tailored them to fit their bodies comfortably.

I think agathe explained the negatives well. And I'm th context of this manga corsets would have been worn for fashion and tightlacing. So Angela's worries are warranted , she just knows that they were restrictive so I don't think it matters that corsets can be healthy worn because she's a noble lady people around her would be wearing them tightlaced.

chill dude. I'm not romanticizing corsets, Im just tired of every isekai taking the "corsets are bad and evil" route.

... you do realize poor people also wore corsets right?? People who COULDN'T afford maids?

:/ nope. That was actually a myth (sorta) that was spread by men who were upset with the fashion industry, which was run by women and gave women the rare chance to be independent from their husbands. Now it is true that if you wear it for a extremely long time, your organs can get shifted around, like in pregnancy, but that can be said for most female apparel, even the bras we wear today, which if worn for a extremely long time, can cut blood circulation and cause feeling of constraint near the ribs.

Yes you are. Your saying that corsets weren’t dangerous at all when they were. And if your mad don’t read it when it takes that route

I am getting curious now, where did you read that corsets were dangerous?
And here I am only interested in the corsets that regular women wore (women who had to house work to do, children to raise, etc). Where did they find graves with those injouries?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_tightlacing_on_the_body#Muscles

Thank you for the link, a very interesting read!

But this is related to tightlacing, which was not used every day, let alone by regular women (just watch some of the film clips of people on the street from that time, NOT the promo pics of famous people, regular women's waists look normal and very close to current day). I would say the corset for the regular folks were more akin to the modern bra (which someone else previously mentioned) and to some extent shapewear.

That aside, the article debunks many of the Victorian myths of corsets, and overall it does not seem to have many actual findings on the impact of the female body (given the lack of scientific research cited).

It also emphasizes a detail about the view on women that some still hold today - and to me it, sadly, adds even more to the evidence on why the corsets were critizised. Allow me to cite: "The uterus was believed by Victorian doctors to suffer the most from tightlacing ... However, this line of thought rested on very little evidence and the assumption that the uterus was one of the most important organs in a woman's body, and it is unlikely that the uterus actually suffered from corsetry."

Please note: I am not trying to bonk you on the head or anything, in fact - I hope to encourage you to do the discussion with an open mind.

Are corsets totally misunderstood and only good?
No, I don't think so. No doubt in my mind that fashionistas and people with way too much time on their hands back in those days would sometimes go to extremes, and the rare nutcase may have gone for a total 24/7 corset with the possible sideeffects (some of which were mentioned in your link). But those are the exceptions, and sadly - also the poster girls which we base all our everyday knowledge of corsetry on. Those were not the normal women. This were not normal. In this I agree with the op that corsets are mis-represented ('slander' might be a bit strong though for me).

I do, however, acknowledge the comedic relief in the issue. :)

Lastly - do view the links I provided earlier - or maybe these below may be interesting (both ladies I have linked in this thread are historians):

I Grew Up in a Corset. Time to Bust Some Myths. (Ft. Actual Research)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rExJskBZcW0
I Wore a (Medical) Corset for 5 Years. How do Victorian Corsets Compare?
(mentions eating when in restricting corsetry)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y25Go12sUg
Comparing Modern to Victorian Corsets (and why not all corsets are ok)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWr_GtqsvFA

I have watched the first one I have scoliosis too I wore a brace for half my life she compares the two in which they are similar in shape but not the same purpose to corsets those brace are for the spine to shape not for the waist shape. She also says that both side of this opinion can not be 100% sure to what happens to the body but we can only know though the ones that got saved and though ppl that wrote about this. And in the second video she was talking about both modern and back then is that they are both dangerous if molded bad and have very bad bones that may stick out
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corset_controversy

which is why i said a WELL FITTED corset is not painfull.

And I was saying not well fitted ones aren’t good and they are not all great as them seem to be. Because even well fitted one the bones inside the corset will start to pop out and hurt the body

... m'kay...

Aren't you two done yet?

What I hear you two are saying is:
» Well fitted - not painful and not problematic as many of our stories claims them to be.
» Not well fitted - they are problematic and can hurt the body.

It seems to me you two are saying pretty much the same: Corsets are frequently misrepresented in general media (including our beloved stories), while not perfect they are not (on avarage) the torture devices they are made out to be.

Yes? No?

My 2 cents (and because I am an idiot, who can't keep shut):

- Corsets in our stories are mostly portraid according to the male oriented view from the victorian age on those things conviniently omitting the male rage over female financial liberation in fashion/corset construction. There were probably some few rich women who would fit into this view, but those I believe is by far the minority.
- Corsets do pose problems, but not those typically mentioned in these discussions - potential loss of muscle mass is rather prominent I think, and without the common knowledge of muscles (and training thereof) that we have today, it may have been seen as something terrifying back in the day. My personal belief is that this might very well have been a fairly frequent issue for especially the noble ladies, as they were not required to do manual labor that would ensure some sort of fitness.

Points I (almost) never see in these discussions (I can't help myself, I am so sorry):
- Bad construction/materials can ruin anything and hurt anyone nearby - corsets, bras, buildings, roads etc. regardless of the perfection in fit ╮(￣▽￣)╭
- A well fitted corset is not easy to construct. I can easily make a corset good enough to strut around for a night out in town, but heck if I would wear that every day - that would require more fitting than my measly abilities (and patience) allow.
- Why is the shift never/rarely featured? (that thin linen chemise kinda thing to be worn beneath the corset)
- I would assume the maids in those stories also wear a corset as the maids back in the day did, they still do manual labor and have no issues? (We also never see them being tightlaced).

Ok... I am done. I'll go away now. Please don't kill each other (or me), be nice. Ok? :)

Okay

Sorry but Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source, even middle schoolers know this. The reason for that is because anybody can edit that page as they like, in which most of the time are incorrect information. Please don’t rely on that page for information, if you’re ever in college your professor will definitely notice and fail you. Just a heads up;)

I know this has nothing to do with me, but the idea that Wikipedia gives out incorrect information due to it being easily edited is actually untrue. From an actual college student, Wikipedia articles are actually very helpful in giving out beginning sources and general background knowledge. The editors of wiki are a lot more strict nowadays and are very quick to catch misinformation. TBH I do miss the good ol days where you could just edit some millonaire's wiki to say they fucked their mom or something.

omg you wrote a lot I am give you a nice applause for you holy lord

Lmaooo, still I personally will not recommend people to take that website 100%. My major is history and wikipedia tend to have errors or be biased asf. I do believe Wikipedia is good for definition but there’s better websites with people will actual degrees yk?
My professor don’t tolerate that website nonetheless my old teachers in high school. Fun enough I took information from Wikipedia in high school and it was wrong

Especially considering the fact she/he is using Wikipedia against people who have degrees who actually have knowledge of fashion history or history of costume 1/2.

Isn’t this the second time you said this because I was done but another person kept talking about this

@cookie thanks for both links !! : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corset_controvers is very and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_tightlacing_on_the_body#Muscles
Any kind of habits has the same biological signal as an addiction (neurology sise) It’s a bit fun to read about women who are proponents of something which damage their health (just like smokers or alcoholic by the way, an opinion doesn’t make science) -
@ print : beware beautiful, not painful doesn’t mean harmless !!!
Not everything in the body can signal it’s going wrong with pain - that why some disease are so hard to find - some changes in body structure takes years to become painful too - in the same manners, lots of substances are toxic or deadly and you can’t not recognize them either, when it comes to substance some even make you feel « good » ?
- Alas pain is not a perfect indicator, far from it !

With all respect too, historians are no doctors, some medical facts can’t be changed

- for exemple, most people nowadays breath in an out 0.5l while lung capacity is actually 2l+ if you ever tried full breathing, using all part of you lung, you’ll soon acertain the benefits ( please do try it’s a wonderful way to keep relax and healthy, there also are more and more studies about benefits for heart health too) - deep full breath is literally impossible with constriction
- Compressing the intestines, or preventing muscles build can’t be good either as you can see in previous links
- Lastly, because some men contributed to the end of corsets, doesn’t makes it fallacy either - not all men are enemies of women - thankfully ! Change in society cannot be brought by only one gender ! So while it might be true that there’s some business influences or gender war behind, I doubt every doctor vouching against corset were on « big men against women » payroll ?

In the end corset once in a while is something a body might endure, but long term or regular use will undoubtedly be harmful
If painful avoid at all costs, and if not, remember to exercise, breath and be mindful of side effects ;)

Me? No. I have been quiet until now :) Probably just because the reply button below my response was used.

Where can I read it?

https://chrysanthemumgarden.com/novel-tl/twf/

Totally! I am having fun reading it and it’s more explicit and details in each scene