Feyren March 20, 2016 10:02 pm

I just hope this series never ends.
Or when it does the ending will be big impact. I don't mean marrying and stuff.. Something a bit less common or/and dramatic maybe. I'm one of those who wouldn't mind Chise dying. It's sad but it would had an impact.

    CountessT March 26, 2016 6:15 pm

    *burns forest down*

    idk... April 19, 2016 1:03 pm

    Well I, and the majority of the fans of this manga, aren't. Hmph. Although I agree that it shouldn't end with stupid marriage. It should continue after the marriage and go on into an actual story arch for once.

    mia June 30, 2016 10:35 pm

    agree with idk... impact can come in many forms and i would really hate to kill either of them just to get people to 'feel something'. Just because it s tragic doesn't mean that it is better! Albeit I do feel there is this misconception going on about it....

Feyren February 8, 2016 8:29 pm

Why some of the pages aren't translated? A bit annoying. Is there some leagal meaning not to translate all of them or..? Seems foolish that couple of pages in between aren't translated.

Feyren November 5, 2015 11:16 pm

Finds it ironic that this manga has been licensed and translators who use their own time to translate this are afraid to do so? It's in away partly censure and this mangas topic fight against that.

Of course if I ever got money this manga is one of the first on the list I will buy - but without those translators etc. who put that manga out I would have never found this series. ... And start to fell in love with it so much that I thinking about buying it if I ever have a change to do so.

Anyway.. I know that surprisingly this manga has got more volumes in here than many other licensed manga.. Who knows. Maybe someone is brave enough to continue.

    lelay23 November 17, 2015 3:25 am

    you can try on otakumole aka mangalator

Feyren July 18, 2015 11:30 am
    hii July 25, 2015 5:11 am

    faster than a kiss

    MassoGirl July 31, 2015 10:54 pm

    Ahahahahahahahhahahahaha!!! Sorry but I'm dying! Ahahahah! XD

Feyren June 30, 2015 11:13 pm

SPOILER WARNING! A little bit.

Chapter 4 was so good cliffhanger that I went looking for a raws.. And got disappointed. They don't seem to get the twist the treatment everyone is waiting for. They just rush past it when people want some character building drama.. Okay many will like maybe the sex thing but DAMN IT.. I was waiting so much more about the characters!

I guess cute childhood drama as fill in is okay.. But still.. It's going to be a huge let down.

    msa July 1, 2015 12:14 am

    where did you get them?
    so so curious LOL

    Feyren July 1, 2015 12:40 am
    where did you get them?so so curious LOL msa

    Just look at the list of topics in this and you will find someone who gave the link to raws.

Feyren June 25, 2015 12:01 am

That they didn't make more manga out of Kieli novels. There woul have been so much more.. This short manga is still one of my favorites and more people should read it. And the novels too.

Btw.. Kind of funny thing.. Kieli means tongue or language in Finnish - but story is so good that I will forget it. Also.. Kieli is really good name.

Feyren June 23, 2015 7:45 pm

It's licensed. Too bad that I never see those licensed mangas anywhere so it doesn't often mean anything other that I never can read it to the end.
Always I hear that mangas are licensed but why then so rarely I can find them so i can buy them then?

    Eva Mark 06 May 16, 2017 4:50 am

    The story was dropped by the Japanese publishing company but in November 2017 Sublime publishing is going to release the whole 7 volumes in English ヾ(☆▽☆)

Feyren June 21, 2015 12:43 am

It was really good and I don't get why people didn't like the ending. It ended just right time without starting to drag the storyline. Ending stayed true to the characters and I like the storytelling style with couple of drawings as hints.

I know I know.. People would have wanted more kissing and things like that.. But I think it would have ruin the characters at that point.

Feyren June 20, 2015 6:58 pm

Haruna's fix for the trauma was a bit iffy.. I know it was made so readers get more sexy scenes but same time it could have been done a bit other way.
Maybe I'm just too realistic or something..?

    SothPawChick March 13, 2016 6:48 pm

    In a way it was but Haruna already liking at I he took his chances and in his own way made Sari come to his senses. If Sari after the fact let that guy take over him Sari would of been a hot mess...n

    SothPawChick March 13, 2016 6:50 pm

    In a way it was but Haruna already liking Saru he took his chances and in his own way made Saru come to his senses. If Saru after the fact let that guy take over him Saru would of been a hot mess...n

    Mameiha June 7, 2017 8:48 am

    I'm sure most psychologists wouldn't employ Haruna's technique, but as a rape survivor who got into BDSM in a submissive role two years after my rape, I can say that it does work pretty well for some people. Hiding from what you fear maintains your victimhood and fear, but running headlong at it with a sword and shield defeats it. This is true for everyone. The only difference is what we use as a sword and shield.

    Jeweled_Bird January 4, 2018 11:04 am
    I'm sure most psychologists wouldn't employ Haruna's technique, but as a rape survivor who got into BDSM in a submissive role two years after my rape, I can say that it does work pretty well for some people. Hi... Mameiha

    I bet, though, you have a safe word that when you say it, you expect your partner to immediately stop. And that it was your choice to get into BDSM in the first place. The uke in this story didn't choose; in both stories the seme forced him to have sex and in the last story it was to appease the seme's jealousy. Forget what the uke was feeling. It's the same as in the bodice-ripper romances--rape is fine as long as it happens between the two love interests. But it's not. Me, I'd love a story where the seme tries this nonsense on the uke, and the uke in turn kicks him in the head until the seme behaves.

    LaFujoshi January 7, 2018 7:47 pm
    I bet, though, you have a safe word that when you say it, you expect your partner to immediately stop. And that it was your choice to get into BDSM in the first place. The uke in this story didn't choose; in ... Jeweled_Bird

    Same

    Mameiha September 15, 2018 4:13 am
    I bet, though, you have a safe word that when you say it, you expect your partner to immediately stop. And that it was your choice to get into BDSM in the first place. The uke in this story didn't choose; in ... Jeweled_Bird

    What gets you through the night gets YOU through the night and what gets me through the night gets ME through the night. However, if "bodice ripping" ain't your thing, yaoi is gonna be pretty tough on you. I've read nearly 2600 yaoi and, trust me, 98% have this trope. Shounen ai, well, there's no explicit sex so it stands to reason that bodice ripping isn't involved. Maybe that's a close, but better, genre for you. No one forced you to read this. There was no gun to your head and, frankly, I doubt anyone you know personally even knows you read this - based on statistics only - so no one is going to think you weren't "cool" for not reading it. So, why then, did you bother? Personally, I hate shoujo. Therefore, I don't read it. I don't suffer through a shoujo just so I can bitch about all the tropes I hate in it. I guess I'm just not that big of an attention whore.

    Jeweled_Bird September 15, 2018 4:58 am
    What gets you through the night gets YOU through the night and what gets me through the night gets ME through the night. However, if "bodice ripping" ain't your thing, yaoi is gonna be pretty tough on you. I've... Mameiha

    Naw, it's not 98%. I've read plenty of yaoi that doesn't have rape, forced sex, or even dubious consent in it. But I agree, a lot of mangakas do use the trope. And if rape is a natural part of the story, then I'm all right with it--if the mental, emotional and physical fallout is dealt with realistically. There are some that do that and they're powerful stories (Katsura's Rouge comes to mind). But many times it's just a shortcut used to add instant drama, instead of creating it organically from the interaction of the characters with each other and their environment.

    And no, no one forced me to read it. But I did and expressed my opinion. That is allowed. I also disagreed with your original comment. That too is allowed. But, I wasn't dinging you. You're right; whatever gets you through the night is for you to decide and I wasn't saying otherwise. BTW, I have no problem with bodice rippers as long as the heroines are reasonably intelligent and the plots make sense. None of this "he raped me but it's okay because we've fallen in love with each other" nonsense in either historical or any other kind of romance, including yaoi. Actions have consequences.

    Mameiha September 15, 2018 6:38 am
    Naw, it's not 98%. I've read plenty of yaoi that doesn't have rape, forced sex, or even dubious consent in it. But I agree, a lot of mangakas do use the trope. And if rape is a natural part of the story, the... Jeweled_Bird

    Sure, in real life actions have consequences, but this is not just fiction, it's erotic fiction. Do you know why the rape=love trope is so common? If you don't then nothing I say will be convincing because you are stuck in a first world mindset reading erotic fiction from a country with very antiquated ideas about sex and erotica. If you can't look past your own views to understand, not necessarily accept but just understand, the views held by others who see things very different from you, you will be condemned to misery by reading any genre where your views clash. Look up the psychology of sex in other countries. It won't always be pleasant, some countries encourage pedophilia to prevent rape, but you don't have to accept their views and you don't have to condone their views to at least understand why they see things the way they do. Ravishment, or "rape" as some claim, has been a fantasy for women throughout history and is retained in countries where the views on sex are very conservative and "patriarchal". You seem like a smart cookie, you must know this and you also must know that the general populace of Japan hold those same conservative and patriarchal views on sex. So, you are griping about cultural differences. You also seem like a social media savvy person. Do you really think it is okay for Japan to "appropriate the culture" of other countries? Or is cultural appropriation okay only when it suits your tastes? So many young people want the world to revolve around their views and yet they never once stop to understand why different views are held.

    And you're right, it isn't 98%. It's actually more. Of the 2600 yaoi I have read less than a dozen have had clear consent. If it were 98%, it would be 52, not less than 12.

    Jeweled_Bird September 15, 2018 7:50 am
    Sure, in real life actions have consequences, but this is not just fiction, it's erotic fiction. Do you know why the rape=love trope is so common? If you don't then nothing I say will be convincing because you ... Mameiha

    More than 98%? Then you and I are reading from a totally different yaoi selection. For instance, out of the several manga I've read today, only one had rape (stupid rape at that: "I've fallen love with you and I know you're going through rough times, so it's okay that you immediately raped me after us meeting for the first time in ten years") and that was a 20-page one-shot.

    Yes, I know this is erotic fiction. That's part of the reason why I'm reading it. And yes I know that there are those who find rape erotic. I don't, but, as I stated above, I have no problem with it if it is dealt with realistically and intelligently. (Harada's Yatamomo is another one that comes to mind.) But what the heck is a "first world mindset?" Of course I'm going to bring my foibles and scruples to anything I read. If there's a compelling reason to set them aside, then I can and will do so. But there's nothing compelling about rape. There is no justification in forcing a person to have sex against their will. Just because something is deeply ingrained in a culture doesn't mean that it's acceptable. There are wrong ideas baked into the very foundation of my country, but it doesn't mean that I have to accept them. Same with any other country. It's not cultural appropriation to change one's society so that people aren't victimized. A spade is a spade no matter what language you speak, and rape is rape. I'm not going to shrug my shoulders and say, "Oh, well, it's okay because it's a patriarchal country with feudal mores and ideas about sexuality and gender."

    But what does all that have to do with reading yaoi? Look, my problem with the rape trope is as I stated above; it's used as a shortcut to create drama and its fallout is not realistically depicted. And it's not just Japanese mangas. Again, historical romances are very much a "first world" phenomenon, and many use the "I love you so your raping me is okay" plot device. But when they do that, I feel that the authors are talking down to me, if not outright treating me like an idiot. The human psyche doesn't work that way. Even if their body were okay, they would be mentally and emotionally wounded. Devastated even. And if they're not, if they give the rapist a pass because they're "in lurv," then something was already broken. And while there are many readers who don't mind mangas like that, I'd rather a mangaka who'd call a spade a spade.

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