
If you think "Girl side characters are annoying in BL" part is sexist, in the same way saying "Guy characters in Yuri/GL are annoying" is equally sexist. Idk what's hard about it to understand. You guys are all birds of the same feather.( ̄∇ ̄")

Men do not suffer from a male version of misogyny, so no, that comparison isn’t even applicable. Hating a female character because they “get” in the way of an mlm pairing is (most of the time) rooted in misogyny, we cannot apply this exact same logic to disliking a male character for “getting in the way” for a wlw ship, there is no male equivalent for misogyny, men are not systematically oppressed in the same way women have been and currently are. There are nuances and LAYERS to this conversation, and depending on the context, the hate is or isn’t justifiable.

That is true. We live in a patriarchial society after all. Men and women might be legally considered equal, but if we are talking about society, that is a completely different Story. Men on a larger scale dont experience what women experience. Mysandry is in no way as prevalent of a Problem as mysogyny. But to be fair, some self-proclaimed radical feminists who say that men are subhuman and should go extenct are truly braindead. But that doesnt automatically make the feminist movement terrible, these types of people are a minority

Who fooled you, men can't suffer from misogyny?
Because they aren't oppress the same way?
Look the fact that men are always portrayed to be the nuance in WxW is very misogynistic as a girl being portrayed the same in MxM . It can apply to both , it dose not have to be opress the same way for it to be misogyny.
Misogyny is enforcing all the sterotypical sht on both gender's which you did on male . "They are always a nuance "

I get what you mean, but it makes no sense when reffering to hatred towards men. Of course it is a bigotry that is far less widespread, most people arent unhinged manhaters like peepee drinker. Of course men have Problems like being essentially forced to not Show vulnerable emotions (not forced, but ridiculed if those emotions are shown), and not believed to be capable of being victims of assault. That is not called misogyny, its called patriarchy. To an extent both men and women suffer under patriarchy, but women have it worse.

Misogyny is deeper and far more engraved in society than the concept of “misandry”. There are no historical examples of women abusing and controlling men due to their sex in the same way men have been doing towards women throughout the course of history. There are hundred thousands of cases of women being exploited and insulted by men due to their sex, this is not the case with men. Men are not systematically oppressed, therefore, they cannot experience a male version of misogyny, this is simply pure facts.

Precisely!! Despite both men and women suffering under the patriarchy, it is important to note the numerous intersections of issues and how men STILL benefit more from the patriarchy. The suffering men have underwent isn’t a type of “male misogyny” or “Misandry”, rather it is the consequences of misogyny. Men were stereotyped to be strong as they saw being weak as feminine (misogyny,) men were told to play with cars and wear blue because being anything otherwise is feminine (misogyny), so on and so forth. Every single thing that men suffer from due to the patriarchy, ironically enough, is a byproduct of the misogyny engraved in society.

The person you responded to didnt say that men dont suffer, but that men do not suffer to the same extent as women do. They dont get treated like a "walking coochie" (as in only being perceived in terms of sex). Men often talk about other women in shitty ways, like saying that one girl looks like a witch and calling her a whore behind her back. Women (at least the majority of women) do not talk about men in such a way

I'm not talking about real-life situations at all here. Ofcourse misogyny has affected more women than more men. I'm a feminist as well for which we Just get cursed at, villified too irl. And it's not a simple thing. Yet I stand on my point that if you hate a character in any non straight genre manga or manhwa only because of gender it's sexism. Nothing else. I do not condone such deep rooted bias in real-life but I'm here talkin about fictional character. I have seen equally hateful comments about both female characters and male characters. I dislike both.

Fiction is a reflection of our perspective of the real world. Like, insulting a female character, calling her a bitch, a whore, etc etc, even if you don’t do that irl shows how you have a misogynistic mindset because using those to refer to women, fictional or not, is inherently misogynistic. Moreover, the scenario you’re posing is just. Once again, completely different. Hating on a male character for getting in the way of wlw is simply not like hating on a female character for getting in the way of mlm due to the fact that, once again, there is no such thing as “misogyny for men” and having a mindset of that, just isn’t possible. And most of the time, the hate directed towards the male character isn’t ACTUALLY that serious.. it’s different because of the gender. While both are bad, they are NOT on the same level.

Sorry but I don't treat the fictional characters same as Real world human beings. They're just 2d figures to me. I do agree that they reflect societal situation a lot but I do separate reality from fiction while reading a story. And I still don't resonate with your pov. For me I find them both hateful equally. Maybe you're finding it harder cause the female characters being hated are the same gender as the reader(mostly women) and you're not finding the hate towards male that's serious cause it's us doing it and we mostly don't mean it or do playfully or rather we are not at the other end simply. But I am not liking them both on equal manner.

you've got misogyny and sexism mixed up big guy
misogyny is the act of hating and looking down on women specifically
and misandry is dumb cuz yes some women hate men but it's not nearly as dangerous as misogyny that threatens women's lives on the daily
for example no one is sexually harassing men on the streets on a daily basis and at an alarmingly increasing rate
not to mention that femicide is also on the rise
our society is misogynistic by nature as long as we living in a world where patriarchy is more than prevalent and where hating women is the norm
misandry does not threaten men's rights or quality of life but misogyny has lots of negative effects on women

Misoginy and misandry are not equally represented bigotries in society precisely because we live in a patriarchial society. Both men and women suffer under parriarchy, but differently. I'm not saying that women cant perpetrate violence against men, that is a patriarchial belief. When a women assaults a man or a boy, she will most likely get away with it. In a patriarchial society men are perceived as always wanting sex. So if thex get assaulted, nobody believes that they were assaulted because people think they must have wanted it. That is not misandry, that is patriarchy. Men are not widely seen as inferior to women. That is why there is no such thing as systemic oppression of men. A select few unhinged radical feminists who think all men should die do not change that fact. They are a fringe Group and it should stay that way. Hatred of men still isnt okay, I'd never say that. I'm not peepee drinker. I'm saying that men do not get treated the same way as women in our society.

most violence and contempt towards men comes from patriarchy, so there isnt a male equivalent to misogyny. In a patriarchal society men are expected to be violent and sexually agressive. Not because men are inherently evil. But when you are raised to believe all your life that women are inferior, this is how you start treating them. And then some women come to the conclusion that men are responsible for all the evil in the world and shouldn't exist. That is a very dumb conclusion to come to. This is what happens when you analyse everything at face value.

Please help me with Isekai Reccs. Especially where the FL is a villainess through and through, even willing to destroy or manipulate her own family (who may have mistreated her) and avoiding the ML cause doesn't want him involved in the dirty work, but the ML is just obsessed with her and willing to be her henchman!!!(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
P.S - Already read Villainess reverses the hourglass and Villainess in love

Please help me with Isekai Reccs. Especially where the FL is a villainess through and through, even willing to destroy or manipulate her own family (who may have mistreated her) and avoiding the ML cause doesn't want him involved in the dirty work, but the ML is just obsessed with her and willing to be her henchman!!!(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
P.S - Already read Villainess reverses the hourglass and Villainess in love
I don't know how to say this without offending anyone. Almost a decade back there used to be abundance of both Yaoi and Shoenai of different kinds of genres and tropes. But now I can't actually find only shonenais. Last completed shonenais were like continuation of Mangas few years back. It's a good thing that sex is pretty normalised now but not all authors are good at showing Plot with sex, it's mostly pop. Kind of missing when it used to be plot heavy.
No i feel the same thing, sometimes they even disregard the plot for the sex which is rlly sad bcs the plot has so much potential to grow..
Nah it's not only you.
I agree as well.
The last best shounen ai bL I've read was "here you are", "Ogus love" and "men's wear store and his royal highness"
I mean yaoi interms have literally normalised s"x in every chapter with less plot that somtimes it's very boring....idk what more to say on it.
But I totally agree with you, I can't any good shounen ai anymore.
It depends but I agree and not agree at the same time because there are pretty good yaoi stories out there without the repetitive sex marathon. On the other hand, I've read yaoi with good storyline but too much sex so, dunno. I mostly skip those.
I feel like if you find manhuas instead of mangas or manhwas there will be more shounen ai bc of the Chinese restrictions
yeah i lwk feel sad cuz most of the shounen ai i liked are already finished. all of the new slightly interesting stuff seems to be yaoi sadly. not to mention just how porn ridden the featured page is... anyways heres some ongoing shounen ai recs in case anyone wants to try smth new:
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/regas/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sangyang_the_wanderer/ (my fav manhwa of all time)
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/online_game_nakama_to_sashi_off_shitara_shokuba_no_onijoushi_ga_kita/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/count_tachibana/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/saye/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/stigmata_1/ (theres an 18+ version and a 15+ version so just choose which ever u feel like)
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/leo/