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If you keep falling for the same trap that the author laid out for you, you can't blame the authors for continuing to write stories like this. Victim blaming is so awesome and is FOR SURE going to enlighten authors about the evils of victim blaming AMIRITE? KTBN, sweetcheeks.

Bro do you even know that victim blaming isn't in this instance. If I do something stupid while pressure I am subject to criticism no matter if I'm pressured or not. If the uke walks into a toxic relationship I'm not going to be like "have fun". If I question him and hate the fact he went back it's the fault of the uke. The same did not force him to come back and everyone around him was telling him no. The uke was dumb and his actions aren't immune to critics or hatred.

Hi! I read your comment from ages ago, and probably isn't relevant to your mindset today, so my bad if it the case.

If not please, indulge me for a few minutes cause you choice of word have me a bit concern here (if you don't want to well just ignore my comment, it is just an unsolicited advice after all):

Reading you, I can't help but think you A/ never have been in a situation were someone has a definitive mind power over you (and actually that is awesome as I don't wish it to anyone) and no matter how hard you try, or are advised to, or even if you want to, you have no control of it; B/ Due to that, you completely lack of empathy (that you should have even if you haven't experienced it), over a person whose autonomy has been stripped away for literally being mind fucked (and not fucked out of their mind, though that could work too, in this case.)

Short line is: see it as a drug addiction. You know it is bad. You try to get away from it, even if you get into an healthy way of living, it is extremely hard to not relaps. In the happy chance you are actually aware you have an addiction.

Cause that is what addiction do!

And blame an addict for its addiction while failing to understand why there is an addiction, is basically as useful as dusting the desert with a hairless broom... It does jack shit.

It's also not helping the addict who might be already feeling guilty over it and struggling internally. If of course, there is even an acknowledgment of a problem. And we all know that it is the easiest box to check, am I right? (sarcasm)

There are addiction for everything: gambling, shopping, eating, drugs, sex, relationship, alcohol, book, video game, money, religion... Basically anything that is an interaction that provides you a form of pleasure with a balance of guilt and thrill that you will treat as a comfort or need, disrupt your social life and make you have unreasonable choices that will always priorities your temptation. That is why it is toxic and EXTREMELY hard to walk away even if you are given the "chances" to.

It is even harder when it is in a form of a relationship with a person, whom you know, have feeling for and top of the crop, has raped you (I know, unbelievable right? But true. That is why rapist get away with it.). You have know idea of the defense mechanism the mind develop in order to cop up with trauma and abuse. It is one of the bad side of our evolutionary ability to adapt. Humans brain is made to endure shit in order to persevere the mind construct, even it is wrong.

That is how power dynamism is created. That is why it is even allowed to exist. And why it is twice harder to overcome when you know the person intimately. Sad wicked world.

So if you look at Toru's case: He is clearly addicted to this guy whom he loves (so as a strong emotional bond with) because the pleasure he gets from him, overcome his better judgment (after all, the title is called "Desire" for a reason). It is interfering with his social life, and clearly remove him from his mind autonomy because the "want" overcome the "need". His satisfaction is stronger than his judgement, which is why from an outside point of view it seems illogical, but from an internat point of view, knowing all the brain want is being load up with endorphin and just do what ever it can to stay high on it... well you get the drift. Yes it is fucked up. It is stupid. And it is fair to critics, though the real person that should be critiqued here is Royshi (the seme). But hatred....? No man, that is uncalled for.

So I know it is fiction. No none of those boys exist so I care little about defending the protagonists as if they were real person. But usually reaction to fiction show how you internalized certain situations (it is a simulation after all) And for your sake and you social life, I hope your point of view have change since 2018, cause you are going to hurt more people than anything if that is how you view a person entrapped in a toxic relationship. As stupid as it looks to you.

Did u try to write novels? Mean nothing bad. And i didn't read this story, so not going to say anything about it.
But the way u wrote ur point of view is really great.

Ah ah ah! No offence here. Well I actually write novels That talks about those stuff (addiction, toxic relationship abuse and trauma) a lot. That might be why.

(But they less grammar mistakes than the above. My goodness, there was a lot of them. I hate spotting them after I proofread a comment I can't edit) :D

I didn't see any. Maybe cuz of my not perfect English. And well, it's a pleasure to read comments like urs. So respect to u as an author))

Not if he doesn't think he needs to apologize for basically raping the uke. Since he FORCED his fetish on someone else. He had NO growth whatsoever despite what you think. Any changes in him were merely superficial. Ktbn.

But I thought the physical thing between them was consensual.. Didn't the uke say it at one time??

true!! if I were heesu, I would be so upset and sad once I knew that my crush was trying to set me up with someone else.
but well, I'll forgive chanyoung since I wanna heesu to end up with seungwon lol can't help it though because they are just too cute!!

They are very cute ლ(´ڡ`ლ).. But I am worried about Heesu .. What will he do if he knows that chanyoung already knew about his crush on him.. (=・ω・=) He will be devastated right? Like they are best friends that too from childhood..

It's not selfish not to want to date someone.
Just like you can't turn a gay guy straight, you can't turn a straight guy gay.

Chanyoung at lasts wants to keep being friends with Heesu, despite him being gay.
He just wants to keep being friends with Heesu without it getting awkward between them

You can't force yourself to date someone you don't like romantically, ya know.

Not the problem we have with him okay? Quit misrepresenting it. Also I have seen no indication that he wants to remain friends with Heesu beyond hooking him up with someone else.

You are misinterpreting my words.. When did I say he needs to be gay and he should reciprocate Heesu's feelings?? （￣へ￣）And what do you mean 'Chanyoung wants to be his friend DESPITE him being gay"??? Really ???.. He is not doing a favor doing that.. He is being cruel.. If you still favor him after this then that's upon you... ╥﹏╥

I'm saying that because usually in these types of stories once best friends find out that the person is gay, they'd be totally grossed out about it and end up hurting the other drastically.

Chanyoung here doesn't know how to deal with his best friend liking him, and he didn't like Heesu being so clingy all the time.
It is true that he could've handled the situation more maturely, but the thing is, he ain't mature, he was just a kid!
I've seen much worse characters hurting their friends in much worse ways. To me, Heesu looks just fine and now would finally find someone that actually likes him back, which I'm sure Chanyoung wants.

this^ isn't what they were saying and it isn't the issue ANYONE takes with Chanyoung. Be careful near fire with that strawman. It isn't "because he doesn't reciprocate" that people dislike him, it's his ACTIONS IN REJECTING HIM. The WAY he rejected him.

I see that you are talking about those crappy friends who hurt their gay friends and also too harshly that they end up being a nightmare for them.. I never read those stories where these two end up together.. I prefer the one who suffered should move on with another person or even alone but happy...MOreover You are seeing one side of the coin... Please don't ignore the other side.. Heesu was a kid too.. Both were of same age..Thankfully here Heesu is very strong, chanyoung didn't do anything serious and he didn't have a trauma or something..Otherwise I would have cursed Chanyoung out already ... ╥﹏╥He is a coward...

Okay got it . He was immature.. What about when he became older and mature? Did he do it then?? NAAH...A simple direct conversation/confrontation would have done better than pretending not knowing about his sexulty.. It clearly is shown he only spent time with Heesu when none of the girlfriends were with him.. He really took Heesu for granted all this time... What he is doing now is only to make himself better.. M happy for Heesu... ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

That is true, but he might also take into consideration that MAYBE Heesu didn't want to confess. Maybe Canyoung thinks he'd make things more awkward/uncomfortable than they already are for Heesu.
I'm sure he'd reject him politely (hopefully) once/if Heesu confesses.

He could just choose to be quiet, because Heesu is as well.

And about the girlfriend thing, he was probably thinking that it would make Heesu move on from him, to find a better love interest.
I do not think that Chanyoung wishes to hurt Heesu, since he's Heesus best friend, he probably thinks hes doing what's best for himself and Heesu.
He probab isn't doing it right, but he thinks he is.

Heesu was initially being clingy because he didn't reject him. It's kinda like other people saying that Chanyoung didn't reject him because he didn't confess. But judging one on one standard and someone else on another is hypocritical. Especially when you take into account the fact that not confessing and how he is now acting more distantly towards Chanyoung means that not only did Chanyoung not need to pull this sh!t in the first place but that the arguments put forth by those who defend Chanyoung are entirely moot. No one is saying he WANTS to hurt Heesu. What we are saying is that his methods can potentially hurt Heesu the MOST. And he selfishly ignores that.

Honestly I don't think he cares about the friendship

Have you taking into consideration that Heesu might not be ready to come out to him yet.
Maybe if Chanyoung would confront him about it, he'd be forcing Heesu to confess even tho he wouldn't be ready yet.

Just, I've seen much worse characters than Chanyoung, I'm tired of people acting as if he's the fucking devil.