Honestly I kinda get both sides of this story
Sasya was mentally unstable and not okay to be in a relationship while in the early chapters and honestly I feel like Karel was kinda pushing it on and trying to hold on to the good parts of Sasya and completely loving him blindly
But it was fucked up watching him go through the denial stages of grief after sasya left him
But like now in the present moments I kinda feel like Sasya isn’t really aware of the grief he went through to be come like that and he’s now trying to force himself onto him
Sasya was mentally unstable and not okay to be in a relationship while in the early chapters and honestly I feel like Karel was kinda pushing it on and trying to hold on to the good parts of Sasya and completely loving him blindly
But it was fucked up watching him go through the denial stages of grief after sasya left him
But like now in the present moments I kinda feel like Sasya isn’t really aware of the grief he went through to be come like that and he’s now trying to force himself onto him
2023-08-17 12:48 marked
Hey there. I came here because the number of people who recommended this manhwa to have "consensual", "healthy", and "accurate" representation of BDSM is quite concerning. While, yes, this is just a fictional story and the portrayal of BDSM shouldn't be 100% accurate, I believe that people who are digesting such content should be educated of what a Safe, Sane, and Consensual (SSC) BDSM is like. That being said, I’m not here to solely find faults in this work and the like, but rather, I would like to provide everyone an insight of how BDSM should be by enumerating some of the red flags I have seen in this manhwa :)
Common misconception: BDSM is always about/leads to sex.
BDSM doesn’t have to be sexual in nature. Although, some people’s kinky relationships and BDSM play are focused on sex, the types of relationships included under the BDSM umbrella are plentiful. For some, it’s a way to reach catharsis or a heightened state, and no sexual contact is involved. Some people practice kink with their romantic and sexual partners, and other people practice it with friends who they’re not attracted to.
An example of a nonsexual BDSM is: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_sensual_m/
Ch2 pg3: The translator’s note that says sub=bottom, dom=top
The submissive role is not limited to the one being penetrated. Likewise, the dominant role is not limited to the one penetrating. A bottom can be dominant, and a top can be submissive. See this list: http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/603799/
Ch3: The dom and the ‘assumed’ sub
BDSM is NOT SPONTANEOUS and it usually DOESN'T OCCUR BETWEEN STRANGERS. In real life BDSM, everything is negotiated first. In a good kink relationship, the parties go in knowing their limits (or with a plan for figuring them out), and trusting that those limits will be respected. Many kink venues have a safeword, and they always know that if they call that word, the play will immediately stop. Even when people participate in pick-up play (similar to what the uke was doing, which is engaging in kinky pastimes with folks they’ve just met) there is a conversation first.
Ch3,4: The dom established the rules ON HIS OWN while the play was about to start.
Like what I mentioned above, at a SEPARATE TIME, the people who will be taking part in the BDSM play should go EVERY detail to openly discuss things (like what plays are ok, not ok, soft limits, hard limits, etc) IN ADVANCE. The dom/sub just doesn't come up with rules RIGHT ON THE SPOT. You just don't go slap the person and say "oops I forgot to tell you. I can hurt you all I want for sexual pleasure, just say the safeword if you don't like it". Nope. The ‘assumed’ sub didn't even have a say on that. The people involved should also keep in mind that the things discussed can change at any time. If not all, then most of the things that were discussed will be included in a BDSM contract.
These are just some I have found. If I were to enumerate ALL then that would be too long HAHA And as I’ve read along, the plot and the plays do improve. So, I totally understand where y’all are coming from. As I said above, I just want you all to be provided with an insight of what an SSC BDSM should be :)
Hmm if I were to recommend a closely SSC one, then I highly recommend this http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/aporia/
And If you are interested in learning more or have some curious questions about BDSM, ask Squibbles! She’s a bisexual dom with 10+ years experience ;>
http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/5929808/
http://www.mangago.zone/home/people/181308/home/
Common misconception: BDSM is always about/leads to sex.
BDSM doesn’t have to be sexual in nature. Although, some people’s kinky relationships and BDSM play are focused on sex, the types of relationships included under the BDSM umbrella are plentiful. For some, it’s a way to reach catharsis or a heightened state, and no sexual contact is involved. Some people practice kink with their romantic and sexual partners, and other people practice it with friends who they’re not attracted to.
An example of a nonsexual BDSM is: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_sensual_m/
Ch2 pg3: The translator’s note that says sub=bottom, dom=top
The submissive role is not limited to the one being penetrated. Likewise, the dominant role is not limited to the one penetrating. A bottom can be dominant, and a top can be submissive. See this list: http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/603799/
Ch3: The dom and the ‘assumed’ sub
BDSM is NOT SPONTANEOUS and it usually DOESN'T OCCUR BETWEEN STRANGERS. In real life BDSM, everything is negotiated first. In a good kink relationship, the parties go in knowing their limits (or with a plan for figuring them out), and trusting that those limits will be respected. Many kink venues have a safeword, and they always know that if they call that word, the play will immediately stop. Even when people participate in pick-up play (similar to what the uke was doing, which is engaging in kinky pastimes with folks they’ve just met) there is a conversation first.
Ch3,4: The dom established the rules ON HIS OWN while the play was about to start.
Like what I mentioned above, at a SEPARATE TIME, the people who will be taking part in the BDSM play should go EVERY detail to openly discuss things (like what plays are ok, not ok, soft limits, hard limits, etc) IN ADVANCE. The dom/sub just doesn't come up with rules RIGHT ON THE SPOT. You just don't go slap the person and say "oops I forgot to tell you. I can hurt you all I want for sexual pleasure, just say the safeword if you don't like it". Nope. The ‘assumed’ sub didn't even have a say on that. The people involved should also keep in mind that the things discussed can change at any time. If not all, then most of the things that were discussed will be included in a BDSM contract.
These are just some I have found. If I were to enumerate ALL then that would be too long HAHA And as I’ve read along, the plot and the plays do improve. So, I totally understand where y’all are coming from. As I said above, I just want you all to be provided with an insight of what an SSC BDSM should be :)
Hmm if I were to recommend a closely SSC one, then I highly recommend this http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/aporia/
And If you are interested in learning more or have some curious questions about BDSM, ask Squibbles! She’s a bisexual dom with 10+ years experience ;>
http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/5929808/
http://www.mangago.zone/home/people/181308/home/
2021-10-14 01:17 marked
Since a I see a lot of people who wants some spoiler + I just love this story so much IMMA SPOIL Y'ALL
SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!
so based on my rusty af memory lippie's family was killed by the emperor. yes, the emperor is the villain. it was all because their family can summon the silver cup, which is some magical cup that can grant any wish, but the thing is to summon the cup someone from the rustichel family should be in deep sadness or is hurting, that is the criteria of summoning it. so the emperor schemed for lippie to go through all that for her to summon the cup, and when she did he would basically steal it, why? because he has legitimacy issues and people are supporting the duke ( BECAUSE HE'S THE REAL MF HEIR TO THE CROWN PERIODT ), so he wanted to wish for ultimate power and eternal youth, but In the past she never summoned it because as terra said she was not yet ready. lippie, in this life would summon the cup in the end when Reas/ml was in the brink of death because they are on war / battle with the king. there's also the part where lippie (our unnies and oppas collector) would have more fans YES MORE, and I swear it's cute seeing the ml be fjcking jelly because of her fans. like people would be a fan of her bcs she her singing would undo brainwashing done by the emperor ( since as I said he's having legitimacy issues and doesn't have the commoners supporting him since they support reas as the inheritor of the crown) the undoing of the brainwashing was because lippie stabilized her mana and it was possible because lippie was advised by terra/the big whale to buy the salon which has a lot of ether. ether = life source; more mana needs more ether, that's why she fainted that one time. the king would try everything to sabotage her one would even result in the cutting of her hair short but luckily ML is always there to save our princess.
+ the king and the church knew abt the cup so he was backed by the church in his evil deeds, bcs they want more influence anddddd the country had a lot of places where ether is abundant which they want to monopolize. + the one that did the brainwashing was the "saintess".
+ the king would have a hard time in the present to finish the rustichel family bcs they're gaining a lot more power than the prev life, and them inventing camera would also help with their power but more so on lippie tho.
what about the reas and lippie?
well duh they end up together! but not before our lippie pulled a bakarina and be Mtf DENSE when reas was trying to make her fall for him bcs he be jelly since she have 5 or 6? Men simping for her, they defeat the emperor and reas became the emperor (because he was the real heir to the crown and the king wasn't even supposed to sit on the throne which by the way he killed the his brother, the last emperor and empress who was reas parents and planned to kill him by sending him to war BUT BITCH HE FAILED HAHAHA) then lippie became empress and they have twins years after!
+btw ml didn't go back in time like our lippie but he did have recurring dreams about their past future like their dates and how she died, stuff like that
+ they weren't a couple in the past life despite them having feelings for each other. Lippie was too prideful and Reas was trying not to involve lippie with the king and the struggle for the succession.
as I said this is based on my memory of reading the novel in korean so please don't be mad if I wasnt 100% accurate
tell me what you know, what you wanna know and what y'all think bcs this is some good shit right here, it's just sad that the translation is shit but I mean atlease there's eng translations i guess
(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!
so based on my rusty af memory lippie's family was killed by the emperor. yes, the emperor is the villain. it was all because their family can summon the silver cup, which is some magical cup that can grant any wish, but the thing is to summon the cup someone from the rustichel family should be in deep sadness or is hurting, that is the criteria of summoning it. so the emperor schemed for lippie to go through all that for her to summon the cup, and when she did he would basically steal it, why? because he has legitimacy issues and people are supporting the duke ( BECAUSE HE'S THE REAL MF HEIR TO THE CROWN PERIODT ), so he wanted to wish for ultimate power and eternal youth, but In the past she never summoned it because as terra said she was not yet ready. lippie, in this life would summon the cup in the end when Reas/ml was in the brink of death because they are on war / battle with the king. there's also the part where lippie (our unnies and oppas collector) would have more fans YES MORE, and I swear it's cute seeing the ml be fjcking jelly because of her fans. like people would be a fan of her bcs she her singing would undo brainwashing done by the emperor ( since as I said he's having legitimacy issues and doesn't have the commoners supporting him since they support reas as the inheritor of the crown) the undoing of the brainwashing was because lippie stabilized her mana and it was possible because lippie was advised by terra/the big whale to buy the salon which has a lot of ether. ether = life source; more mana needs more ether, that's why she fainted that one time. the king would try everything to sabotage her one would even result in the cutting of her hair short but luckily ML is always there to save our princess.
+ the king and the church knew abt the cup so he was backed by the church in his evil deeds, bcs they want more influence anddddd the country had a lot of places where ether is abundant which they want to monopolize. + the one that did the brainwashing was the "saintess".
+ the king would have a hard time in the present to finish the rustichel family bcs they're gaining a lot more power than the prev life, and them inventing camera would also help with their power but more so on lippie tho.
what about the reas and lippie?
well duh they end up together! but not before our lippie pulled a bakarina and be Mtf DENSE when reas was trying to make her fall for him bcs he be jelly since she have 5 or 6? Men simping for her, they defeat the emperor and reas became the emperor (because he was the real heir to the crown and the king wasn't even supposed to sit on the throne which by the way he killed the his brother, the last emperor and empress who was reas parents and planned to kill him by sending him to war BUT BITCH HE FAILED HAHAHA) then lippie became empress and they have twins years after!
+btw ml didn't go back in time like our lippie but he did have recurring dreams about their past future like their dates and how she died, stuff like that
+ they weren't a couple in the past life despite them having feelings for each other. Lippie was too prideful and Reas was trying not to involve lippie with the king and the struggle for the succession.
as I said this is based on my memory of reading the novel in korean so please don't be mad if I wasnt 100% accurate
tell me what you know, what you wanna know and what y'all think bcs this is some good shit right here, it's just sad that the translation is shit but I mean atlease there's eng translations i guess
(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
2020-10-13 14:56 marked
2018-04-01 05:51 marked
Honestly I kinda get both sides of this story Sasya was mentally unstable ...