Moylyn July 30, 2020 10:43 am

This is Abuse! Suspense is always good in a story, but, there is a VERY Broad/Large/Thick/Extensive line between good suspense in a story and BLATANT OVER EXTENDING, OVER EXAGGERATING AND DRAWING OUT of a story. (i would say it extremely sensationalized... but if there's a word to describe this please comment) And boy, have the makers of this story walked, ran, taking the bus to a cab then a train to a plane and then a boat to a submarine to cross that line!!! Why? I'm fed up!!! Until this story says complete, I'm putting it on hiatus! I'll just skim to ease my curiosity.T﹏T
I appreciate to makers and translators of this story, just had to let you know its messed up how you UNNECESSARILY perpetuate this damn story! Not asking for a sudden end, just trying to appeal to your human nature? Compassion? for you to stop prolonging the story with________ ( ̄へ ̄).
LIST OF THINGS YET TO BE
EXPLAINED/REVEALED
Mogami's dad who is he? , Mogami and her mom reconciliation or not? Who did Ren hurt/kill? What happened between him and his dad? who and Where's his mom? why can't he be in love? ARE THEY GOING TO KISS WITH MUTUAL FEELING AND BE IN A RELATIONSHIP THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW AND SHOUTARO CAN SUCK IT!? Will the wheelchair chick walk again? Will Moko get a shine in love? Ren finding out mogami is Boo and Mogami finding out Ren is Kuon!
So many issues touched on as lightly a feather, but none with a answer! It just like telling 100 different jokes with no punch line! Or will it be a blow out reveal after reveal in one go? That would suck, but, it would be a welcomed relief form this slow suffocation, bludgeoning of the senses, unstimulating, dare i say, "progress" that we are, however tedious, acquiesced to endure/suffer through.
PLEASE... I BEG YOU... EVERY INDIVIDUAL INTEGRAL IN THE MAKING OF SKIP BEAT, FROM MIND TO DRAFT TO PAPER TO EDITING TO TRANSLATING AND ALL THE OTHER NECESSITIES...I BEG YOU...
GET
TO
THE
POINT
Thank you! And I love you all
Sincerely and Respectful Moylyn
Fan since 2013
╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

    SkipBeat July 31, 2020 12:55 am

    The work of the author is amazing, and I would NEVER her to have done anything differently. All the elements in the story will resolve exactly when they should. No need to rush emotions. Don't anoy us real fans, with your rude comments, just come back once a year, read the whole thing over and let us enjoy in peace !

    Moylyn July 31, 2020 8:04 am
    The work of the author is amazing, and I would NEVER her to have done anything differently. All the elements in the story will resolve exactly when they should. No need to rush emotions. Don't anoy us real fans... SkipBeat

    Oh you shut! I've read and watched Skip Beat over 3 times! So you and your "real fans"self have several seats! Opinions are individual! You don't like it, ignore it! And for good measure
    Guh Suck Yuh Madda

    Moylyn July 31, 2020 9:01 am

    My apologies! I momentarily lost my composure reading your misspelt/misspelled comment riddled with grammatical errors...well my initial comment is too..oh well! The end of my reply was very rude and unfortunately, I can not retract it! I can, however, apologies for my vulgar behaviour and language. In all seriousness, i enjoy this story, it is just more frustrating than needed or frankly necessary or wanted. You lose readers! At least resolver 10 of the 50 issues before adding 50 more! that all i'm saying. Too focused oh keeping the story going for another 18 years instead of keeping the story relevant!
    Again, my apologies for hurting your feelings!
    Ms Author you should take stock of your readers comments and account for that in your evaluation for each chapter! Of course stay true to you ideals and goals for this wonderful story, just remember it the majority of your readers and supporter that keeps this story relevant! I've also bought volumes of skip beat as support to the author, smh i even ordered a skip beat mask... I only hope it is their products. Well, who am i to comment on a story that I've been consistently and tirelessly anticipating and reading and why? because I've already invested so much time and money that I WILL see it through , If The Lord spare my sinful life, (hopefully before i need diapers , and i'm a good 50 years away). I am but a lowly girl so, the fact that this incompetent "fake fan" has dared to comment and have unsettled the delicacy of the "real fans" nature, frankly i am disgusted with myself! I really am! I can't even say "c'est la vie" without sounding offensive to the "real fans". I'll only say "my deepest apologies" and hope you forgive me!
    (︶︿︶)=凸
    oops... wrong emoji
    (╬ ̄皿 ̄)凸 dang it, another typo
    I trying to send a thumbs up...oh well "que sera sera"
    ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ (⌒▽⌒)

    Iby August 11, 2020 10:56 pm
    My apologies! I momentarily lost my composure reading your misspelt/misspelled comment riddled with grammatical errors...well my initial comment is too..oh well! The end of my reply was very rude and unfortuna... Moylyn

    Excuse me ma'am you dropped this

    In all seriousness I totally agree with the message you're trying to pass, I'm a hard-core fan of skip beat, I read it numerous times, but that doesn't mean there's nothing bad about it.

    It's sometimes very thrilling, but (and im writing that before reading the three latest chapters) everything seems very slow lately, we get 1 chapter a month and it's just 10 pages each times (well I didn't really try to learn about the author's situation though, she could be having health problems and producing a manga is really hard) so it's pretty frustrating to see that a third of each chapter is some how useless cat and mouse game/miscommunication.

    What I found even more frustrating was kyouko jumping on moko's issue as soon as she was done with th confession, like, girl, you took your time for at least the hundred past chapters, you could've avoided runing in the middle of your romantic moment for something that could've waited anyway...


    But... yeah, I'm off to read the last chapters, have a nice time "real fans "!

    Moylyn August 16, 2020 2:00 am
    Excuse me ma'am you dropped this In all seriousness I totally agree with the message you're trying to pass, I'm a hard-core fan of skip beat, I read it numerous times, but that doesn't mean there's nothing bad ... Iby

    I tip my crown to your crown!
    Thank you for pointing out the author may be have issues causing delays in releases! Now if we can find a reason for the rambling and (you wrote it best) "cat and mouse game" for 100 chapters AND the unresolved issues that keeps building like the tower of babel! This is worst than soap opera, and that's saying something!

    Sugureta August 18, 2020 7:18 am
    The work of the author is amazing, and I would NEVER her to have done anything differently. All the elements in the story will resolve exactly when they should. No need to rush emotions. Don't anoy us real fans... SkipBeat

    Lets be real, you only say the Author is great because she is Japanese.

    In reality THIS MANGA IS TRASH!
    Been following this shit for 15 years with almost no character development until just recently and to think she only focuses on ONE CHARACTER!

    Let me give you an example: There are books that are also 15 + years in the making, but they have a lot of characters with different Character developments.

    Now Imagine this trash with only what, 1 main focus character, 1 supporting and 1 extra. And the last two has no POVs and it took her 15 years to have this so little progress.

    So yes, no matter how "Real Fan" you are from the point of view from an "Old Fan" THIS-IS-TRASH.

    And you defending this trash does not make you look special and me degrading this does not make look special as well, but atleast I am stating FACTS!

    Iby August 18, 2020 1:28 pm
    Lets be real, you only say the Author is great because she is Japanese.In reality THIS MANGA IS TRASH!Been following this shit for 15 years with almost no character development until just recently and to think ... Sugureta

    Although this manga isn't perfect, I would never call it trash, and that's my point of view, what you stated isn't "FACTS", it's your point of view.

    Iby August 18, 2020 1:36 pm
    Lets be real, you only say the Author is great because she is Japanese.In reality THIS MANGA IS TRASH!Been following this shit for 15 years with almost no character development until just recently and to think ... Sugureta

    Plus your comment is highly offensive, you shouldn't assume that someone is racist for no reason (because liking this author "because she is Japanese" is being racist, and the "true fan" never stated such a thing).

    Moreover liking this author because she is Japanese would make no sense at all, at least 70% of the works you can read here are manga (not manhua nor manhwa), and thus are written by Japanese authors, please, think before you type, you aren't making sense.

    Moylyn August 21, 2020 4:40 am
    Although this manga isn't perfect, I would never call it trash, and that's my point of view, what you stated isn't "FACTS", it's your point of view. Iby

    I agree! This manga is not trash... not in the least...Just slow...slower than sloth at minimum yes but, It is definitely not trash! Its complex and interesting, just trying too hard to keep it going! Other than that, its fine! Love the author, she just need to get on with it! Yes the character development has been stunted into to t "Benjamin button" kind of situation ... ┑( ̄Д  ̄)┍ ... its frustration i know, but, its not trash!

Moylyn July 16, 2020 7:46 am

two wrongs don't make a right but
i would feel only gratified if that vile disgusting uke was gang banged by 10 no 20 surly disgusting ugly scum of the earth men, then sold to a terrible brothel that the workers (only terrible people) are beaten to a pulp everyday for 1-2 years!
Then let him go to see Yuki with a different uke happy and having a baby! He can pick up the pieces of his life, try to find happyness, then try to live as a decent human being afterward, or jump of a cliff! Whatever he chooses!
╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    Tiz July 17, 2020 12:11 pm

    What that omega did is the worst. I also wont wish such a cruel fate on anyone even that worthless omega.
    Rika forgave even that worthless and selfish omega. That's how much better Rika is.

    Moylyn July 19, 2020 3:28 am
    What that omega did is the worst. I also wont wish such a cruel fate on anyone even that worthless omega. Rika forgave even that worthless and selfish omega. That's how much better Rika is. Tiz

    I didn't kill him did I?! Its a Fictional Story smh
    ( ̄_ ̄)

    Skdoq July 22, 2020 11:54 pm
    What that omega did is the worst. I also wont wish such a cruel fate on anyone even that worthless omega. Rika forgave even that worthless and selfish omega. That's how much better Rika is. Tiz

    Honestly agree I hate that other omega and if he truly felt guilty he would’ve apologized and left both yuki and rika’s lives like he’s disgusting like even if he feels apologetic and bad about what he did in the past he still didn’t leave yuki so that just goes to prove that even though he says he wants happiness for yuki he actually doesn’t is still thinking of himself as someone more important than others and that’s disgusting

    Tiz July 25, 2020 5:53 am
    Honestly agree I hate that other omega and if he truly felt guilty he would’ve apologized and left both yuki and rika’s lives like he’s disgusting like even if he feels apologetic and bad about what he di... Skdoq

    True that!!

    Moylyn July 27, 2020 8:09 pm
    Honestly agree I hate that other omega and if he truly felt guilty he would’ve apologized and left both yuki and rika’s lives like he’s disgusting like even if he feels apologetic and bad about what he di... Skdoq

    Exactly! Thank you!

Moylyn July 13, 2020 4:38 am

L-o-v-i-n-g t-h-i-s M-a-n-g-a
ヾ(☆▽☆)

Moylyn July 3, 2020 9:15 pm

update more! i've been waiting a century

Moylyn June 20, 2020 8:55 am

Unfortunately, i speak neither spanish nor chinese..so if anyone kind enough to translate.. much obliged

Moylyn June 8, 2020 4:36 pm

Yes Sanghee, play them like a fiddle!!!

Moylyn June 1, 2020 2:21 am

CHANWOO IS ABUSIVE TOO! EMOTIONALLY ABUSIVE TO MD! ( ̄(エ) ̄)

    maychan June 1, 2020 2:13 am

    I won't use the word abusive, a shallow asshole brat is more fitting to him ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ but hi, not trying to go against you. I just won't use this word on him.

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 2:20 am

    I see what you're saying! Thanks! I like your definition lol! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

    xielian_inlove June 1, 2020 3:48 am

    lol no

    zeromae June 1, 2020 4:44 am

    How is he emotionally abusive tho? All he did was reject MD, which he had every right to. If you wanna count him “showing off” seung to him, seung was the one who convinced chan to do so and he literally asked MD beforehand which MD agreed to meeting them. I also don’t agree with Chan being shallow, he’s allowed to like and not like whoever he wants. MD isn’t his type and that’s okay, he stated before they started their BDSM relationship that he wasn’t interested in them dating and MD should’ve respected Chan more knowing that he wasn’t interested in him like that.

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 5:58 am
    How is he emotionally abusive tho? All he did was reject MD, which he had every right to. If you wanna count him “showing off” seung to him, seung was the one who convinced chan to do so and he literally as... zeromae

    Chanwoo abusive may have been too strong a term. I suggest you reread their story! MD did ask for exclusivity, chanwoo refused. Then MD even asked his to date him, he also refused for shallow reasons only! And Yes, Chanwoo is entitled to like who he wants. MD is also entitled to choose to drop him for his old playmate if he wants, Do you realise Chanwoo is only hurt because it was seung? The Guy who he quickly 'fell for' ( and i use the term loosely) and then found out he was just using him to get to MD! PRIDE! JUST PRIDE, thats all MD hurt! His pride!

    zeromae June 1, 2020 6:52 am
    Chanwoo abusive may have been too strong a term. I suggest you reread their story! MD did ask for exclusivity, chanwoo refused. Then MD even asked his to date him, he also refused for shallow reasons only! And ... Moylyn

    i mean they hung out for a fat minute, and we already know from past experiences that chan tends to fall for people his type fast. but i think MD is so hypocritical bc he dropped all his subs who became romantically interested in him yet the moment he has romantic feelings for his sub he expects him to accept his feelings. i also think it goes beyond pride, maybe i’m reading too deep bc i’ve been in an emotionally abusive relationship and it’s honestly really hard to get out of one. maybe the author doesn’t have these intentions but i can’t help but be angry with how MD approached the situation. i’m not saying chan is perfect, he’s far from it, but that still doesn’t excuse what MD is doing to him, whether it’s out of revenge or “helping him” (which i don’t agree with the people who think MD is trying to help bc you can’t help abuse with abuse).

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 7:28 am

    First of all, I'm sorry about your past situation. Glad you are out and safe!
    NOW! He is not abusing him! Chanwoo pride is whats hurt! Can't have your cake and eat it too!

Moylyn June 1, 2020 2:03 am

For all the people trashing MD, you don't think he has feelings too? Like Chanwoo is/was selfish and a idiot. So like...Chanwoo only uses the safe word when MD seems interested in someone else? But he can go around a do whatever he wants? Sounds like the 'i don't have interest or wanna play with my toy much until someone wants it or have it!!!

    mangaholic June 1, 2020 2:52 am

    MD agreed to it tho and when he confessed to Chanwoo he should of clarified that he didnt want Chanwoo to date others. Chanwoo only did it because he thought that MD was fine with it

    abthurd June 1, 2020 3:03 am
    MD agreed to it tho and when he confessed to Chanwoo he should of clarified that he didnt want Chanwoo to date others. Chanwoo only did it because he thought that MD was fine with it mangaholic

    MD agreed to it because he can clearly see Chanwoo has issues. This was further emphasized during their play after that and the fact that Chanwoo was ok dating another asshole. It's like Chanwoo punishing himself for being himself? Like idk how to explain it. But MD clearly understand Chanwoo and that's why he played along with Chanwoo's whim. He said sorry after all that meaning he knows that what he's doing will hurt Chanwoo emotionally and not so much on the play.

    abthurd June 1, 2020 3:06 am

    I think the reason he doesn't want to date MD is because he thinks MD is perfect. Given his past, his bf is always problematic. So he couldn't accept it if MD comes to be like one of them too. If MD is problematic during their play, then it's easy for him to accept it and drop the whole play because fuck budddies are just fuck buddies after all. You don't know them beyond that.

    Meruemshu June 1, 2020 3:12 am
    I think the reason he doesn't want to date MD is because he thinks MD is perfect. Given his past, his bf is always problematic. So he couldn't accept it if MD comes to be like one of them too. If MD is problema... abthurd

    Your whole analysis crumbles the moment you remember that he picked the one who just tricked him on the same exact criteria as his boyfriend.

    That's the problem with Chanwoo, he ALWAYS goes for the same good-looking, nice-at-first, young assholes and then gets played or beaten. MD wanted to give him better and he refused.


    Not because of his past BF, he's literally just acting like girls who reject the good guy and go for the potential/complete asshole. He needed his bell rung, he got it rung.

    That's it

    mangaholic June 1, 2020 3:17 am

    I absolutely do think there were deeper reasons for each if their actions. My point is that Chanwoo cannot be criticised for seeking a boyfriend whilst with MD because as far as he is aware MD is fine with it. OP stated that MD toying with Chanwoos feelings (despite seeing his visible unwillingless) is the same as Chanwoo finding another partner. MD is an adult if he were truly upset with even the though of Chanwoo having another partner he should have said so. He also should have stopped the play as soon as he saw that Chanwoo was uncomfortable especially as he is aware Chanwoo struggles with his safe word.

    abthurd June 1, 2020 3:26 am
    Your whole analysis crumbles the moment you remember that he picked the one who just tricked him on the same exact criteria as his boyfriend.That's the problem with Chanwoo, he ALWAYS goes for the same good-loo... Meruemshu

    That was his past bf criteria?? He has a fixed ideals that he failed to see beyond that which what made a lot of his bf problematic?? He didn't reject MD because he's the good guy. Why would he need permission from MD for a new bf and he is remembering MD when bf subject comes up. He already have feelings for MD.

    Meruemshu June 1, 2020 3:31 am
    I absolutely do think there were deeper reasons for each if their actions. My point is that Chanwoo cannot be criticised for seeking a boyfriend whilst with MD because as far as he is aware MD is fine with it. ... mangaholic

    No one is criticizing Chanwoo for seeking a boyfriend. However it's beyond fucked up that he wanted go actually introduce the guy to MD knowing his feelings. And his age is NOT an excuse, anyone above 15 has enough brain to see the problem.

    If he had stopped when Chanwoo was only uncomfortable then Chanwoo would have NEVER seen the other sub kissing MD, he'd have never realized his mistake and would've never changed his ways and probably would just go and date another dangerous guy.

    Chanwoo wasn't forced in it. He had the choice to leave ANYTIME, in fact, MD made it very clear from the start. Again, a distressed 14 year old would have simply ran away. Yes he was uncomfortable, but he brought it upon himself, went along himself and learned the hard way.

    You want to bring up MD's age, but Chanwoo is not 5. It's about time someone shook his frozen braincells a little.

    Meruemshu June 1, 2020 3:35 am

    SPILL THE TEAAAAA

    xielian_inlove June 1, 2020 3:49 am

    MD said they could still be fuck buddies for their camming gig

    zeromae June 1, 2020 4:50 am
    Your whole analysis crumbles the moment you remember that he picked the one who just tricked him on the same exact criteria as his boyfriend.That's the problem with Chanwoo, he ALWAYS goes for the same good-loo... Meruemshu

    But MD is in no position to manipulate Chan like that. It doesn’t matter that Chan has a past of abusive assholes or that he rejected MD. He’s allowed to reject him and “ringing” his bell by emotionally abusing him and breaking his trust is not okay. MD knew exactly what he was doing and only stopped when Chan broke down and said the safe word for the first time. If he didn’t say the safe word, MD would’ve continued what he was doing. Using abuse to “help” someone overcome other abuse and trauma is not okay or healthy, it just shows that MD is no better than Chan’s exes. Abuse and being emotionally manipulated shouldn’t be a reality check, that whole post screams r/niceguys

    Scarleto June 1, 2020 4:57 am

    I get that MD is emotionally hurt, but that is no excuse for being so manipulative and toxic, Chanwoo doesn't owe him anything, and MD using his power as a Dom in their BDSM relationship over Chanwoo his soooo toxic.Yes, Chanwoo hasn't been a Saint, but MD is far worse.

    zeromae June 1, 2020 4:59 am
    No one is criticizing Chanwoo for seeking a boyfriend. However it's beyond fucked up that he wanted go actually introduce the guy to MD knowing his feelings. And his age is NOT an excuse, anyone above 15 has en... Meruemshu

    I’m pretty sure seung encouraged chan to keep him relationship with MD and was the one who wanted to get permission.

    And to say that chan can leave at any time, that’s the thing with manipulation. People who are being manipulated feel as if they can’t or shouldn’t leave. It’s so easy to say “he’s an adult he can leave any time” but as we already know, chan doesn’t respect himself and blames himself for so much. he literally can’t say the safe word even when he’s pushed beyond his limits and MD well knew that. Don’t victim blame chan when MD is being so toxic and abusive because he was rejected. chan isn’t perfect either, but he shouldn’t be treated with more abuse in order to “learn.”

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 5:20 am

    IDK what some of you are reading but umm thinking that Chanwoo might be that 'deep', he says clearly he prefers them younger and handsome, he's VERY SHALLOW! And have you all forgotten how he was brushing MD aside when their play wasn't intense enough for him, still running to others? Was Chanwoo also the one that sad he'd only play/sleep with/'date?' MD? The first time MD went ham on him and the bathroom scene in the park! I appreciate everyone's opinion. MD is a sadist by profession, and he has tried to be nice and 'non toxic to Chanwoo (who refused it NOT because he thought MD was perfect! He refused because MD WAS NOT HIS "TYPE"). Chanwoo can refuse at ANYTIME! You cant have your cake and eat it too! Chanwoo is just selfish! He feeling emotional because seung used him to get to MD (suddenly MD is hot commodity) which pisses him off, then his pride is battered because MD seems interested in seung and HE might lose MD! i sincerly doubt Chanwoo would have had any problems if it was some other random person!Yes, MD did manipulate the situation to get Chanwoo to understand (and i feel like MD was being a little spitful and petty). But! My apologies to who ever feel like i'm offending them, but YOU REAP WHAT THE HELL YOU SOW! Justifying chanwoo being a selfish self centered idiotic brat because MD decide to use a situation that He DID NOT create to get Chanwoo to understand his own boundaries, worth and feelings is unfair! It wasn't the best idea but he's using what chanwoo's like's to show him his nonsense! TOUGH LOVE! Chanwoo was not abused by MD, his pride was hurt but that's all!
    ( ̄へ ̄)
    i still think Chanwoo is a idiot and a brat and selfish and superficial and selfish...wait i said that already! But he's cute soo!!! ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 5:21 am
    MD agreed to it tho and when he confessed to Chanwoo he should of clarified that he didnt want Chanwoo to date others. Chanwoo only did it because he thought that MD was fine with it mangaholic

    Yes he did! I did! HE asked! Want me to send you the link to the chapter? Chanwoo refused! Because MD is OLD! smh!

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 5:28 am
    Your whole analysis crumbles the moment you remember that he picked the one who just tricked him on the same exact criteria as his boyfriend.That's the problem with Chanwoo, he ALWAYS goes for the same good-loo... Meruemshu

    T H A N K Y O U!
    I'm annoyed at how people like to play the 'oh no i'm a victim unwillingly'
    Chanwoo is an A$$! Plain and simple, and until he decides to stop being an A$$ nothing's gonna change! I bet if it was reversed and MD was acting like Chanwoo, (not role reversal just attitude), Everyone would be calling MD philanderer and an A$$ and Trash, and all the other name they can up up with! You can't have your cake and eat it! We must be fair! If MD decided to drop Chanwoo for someone else altogether and chanwoo still decided to choose abusive a$$holes, IS THAT MD'S FAULT ALSO? When is Chanwoo responsible for HIS OWN ACTIONS??? ヽ(`Д´)ノ

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 5:34 am
    I absolutely do think there were deeper reasons for each if their actions. My point is that Chanwoo cannot be criticised for seeking a boyfriend whilst with MD because as far as he is aware MD is fine with it. ... mangaholic

    Questions, When did MD become responsible for Chanwoo's choices?
    Have you read the plethora of time MD told Chanwoo to use his safe word if he wasn't ok?
    Is Chanwoo a child? Since when?
    Was Chanwoo forced? How? What leverage?
    Reread because MD wanted exclusivity but Chanwoo refused

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 5:40 am
    No one is criticizing Chanwoo for seeking a boyfriend. However it's beyond fucked up that he wanted go actually introduce the guy to MD knowing his feelings. And his age is NOT an excuse, anyone above 15 has en... Meruemshu

    EXACTLY
    Thank you! Thank you
    ╥﹏╥ mhmm (tears of agreement)

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 5:41 am
    I get that MD is emotionally hurt, but that is no excuse for being so manipulative and toxic, Chanwoo doesn't owe him anything, and MD using his power as a Dom in their BDSM relationship over Chanwoo his soooo ... Scarleto

    And MD owes Chanwoo what exactly?

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 5:47 am
    I’m pretty sure seung encouraged chan to keep him relationship with MD and was the one who wanted to get permission.And to say that chan can leave at any time, that’s the thing with manipulation. People who... zeromae

    Y'all giving chanwoo too much credit! YOU GUYS STILL DON'T GET THAT CHANWOO IS ONLY FEELING LIKE THAT BECAUSE HIS PRIDE WAS HURT! LIKE would it be the same if it MD had someone else come and do it? You forgot Chanwoo was all set to go sleep with seung minutes before...did you forget? Yes MD manipulated the situation presented to him, not ideal, but that just how it written, that doesn't make him abusive!

    mangaholic June 1, 2020 6:11 am
    But MD is in no position to manipulate Chan like that. It doesn’t matter that Chan has a past of abusive assholes or that he rejected MD. He’s allowed to reject him and “ringing” his bell by emotionally... zeromae

    Exactly I dont think they realise how dangerous MD was by continuing to play with Chan whilst knowing he doesnt use his safe word. He should have known better especially when it's such visible discomfort. It's about basic decency. If you can tell your partner isnt happy with your sexual act and you know they have a history about lying about their consent. You dont carry on and ignore the signs.

    mangaholic June 1, 2020 6:12 am
    But MD is in no position to manipulate Chan like that. It doesn’t matter that Chan has a past of abusive assholes or that he rejected MD. He’s allowed to reject him and “ringing” his bell by emotionally... zeromae

    *the signs to get whatever gratification you want in the end. Even if it's a confession that you really want.

    zeromae June 1, 2020 6:56 am
    Exactly I dont think they realise how dangerous MD was by continuing to play with Chan whilst knowing he doesnt use his safe word. He should have known better especially when it's such visible discomfort. It's ... mangaholic

    yes!!! MD knew so many signs, he knew chan doesn’t use safe words and also doesn’t value himself bc of his past relationships. in no way am i gonna say chan is perfect cuz he has his own problems, but you don’t have to be a saint in order to be treated well in a relationship. even if people have their faults or mistakes, it doesn’t excuse their partner to manipulate or abuse them.

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 7:29 am
    Exactly I dont think they realise how dangerous MD was by continuing to play with Chan whilst knowing he doesnt use his safe word. He should have known better especially when it's such visible discomfort. It's ... mangaholic

    Clearly you do not understand BDSM!

    Moylyn June 1, 2020 7:32 am
    Exactly I dont think they realise how dangerous MD was by continuing to play with Chan whilst knowing he doesnt use his safe word. He should have known better especially when it's such visible discomfort. It's ... mangaholic

    Why should he be more lenient with Chanwoo..More than Seung? Chanwoo didn't care how he felt, so why should MD?
    Why is it that its ok for Chanwoo to whatever, but a complete catastrophe if MD does whatever?

    Meruemshu June 2, 2020 3:48 am
    Y'all giving chanwoo too much credit! YOU GUYS STILL DON'T GET THAT CHANWOO IS ONLY FEELING LIKE THAT BECAUSE HIS PRIDE WAS HURT! LIKE would it be the same if it MD had someone else come and do it? You forgot C... Moylyn

    THANK YOU. OMG. They wanna turn Chanwoo into a victim when he was the ONE being heartless, inconsiderate and abusive like had it been a psycically stronger person doing that to a physically weaker they'd be screaming abuse right now

    This is pure clownery

    Meruemshu June 2, 2020 4:02 am
    But MD is in no position to manipulate Chan like that. It doesn’t matter that Chan has a past of abusive assholes or that he rejected MD. He’s allowed to reject him and “ringing” his bell by emotionally... zeromae

    HOW do you turn Chanwoo into the victim????

    MD only said he agreed to be fuck buddies because he was DESPERATE, then he got away from Chanwoo because he was obviously taking time to think for himself Because HE had feelings for Chanwoo.

    Now HOW are you going to just ignore thag Chanwoo lirerally tried to introduce his new BF to someone who LIKES him and had taken distance EXACTLY because of that. You want to victimize Chanwoo so bad that you completely forget that he did that

    Also you really want to talk about MD's desperate attempt to keep chanwoo in his life, saying it was his choice and all, but on the other end you're gonna ignore that MD asked Chanwoo to leave if he wasn't happy TWICE? And Chanwoo WILLINGLY stayed?

    Also safe words are MADE for the sub to stop whenever they can't endure the play anymore. BDSM is about pushing boundaries to begin with so your whole "he went too far and waited for chanwoo to break down" doesn't even work here because that's literally the rule of the game.

    And don't tell me Chanwooo didn't know HE knew he had played with chanwoo for WEEKS before that drama.

    Now let's talk about the actual use of safe word. MD didnt wait for chanwoo to break down, he's not Ms. Crystal Ball. As far as he knew he was facing a sub who did him dirty and got played, and was punishing him for that.

    Chanwoo, however KNEW what was going on in his own head. He KNEW he could use his safe word or leave. Especially since he was annoyed by the other sub. Yet HE waited to break down. HE KNOWS the rules.

    And MD didn't stop because it was satisfying that whatever evil plan you are trying to stick to him worked (it was a SIMPLE revenge. Chanwoo could have left for all he cared), he actually stopped because he couldn't see chanwoo crying like that.

    So stop making him out for the criminal in this case because literally ALL he did in this was taking revenge the best way he thought of at the moment and CHANWOO went along with it until his braincells started finally working.

    Meruemshu June 2, 2020 4:20 am
    I’m pretty sure seung encouraged chan to keep him relationship with MD and was the one who wanted to get permission.And to say that chan can leave at any time, that’s the thing with manipulation. People who... zeromae

    This HAS to be a joke.
    How STUPID does one have be to agree to take their new BF to someone who is currently cutting contact with them because they like them? Chanwoo was inconsiderate.

    Don't say Chanwoo is an abused victim because MD NEVER abused him. So they weren't even in that kind of dynamics. Abusive relationships are BUILT over time which is absolutely not the case here, no you don't become dependant on somebody in one night after discovering you got played in your own shallow game. It's just not how psychology works.

    And STOP acting like Chanwoo cried because of the fckin situation. He cried because he saw MD kissed another right in front of him which is very ironic considering how he agreed to do the same time of bullsht to MD just hours before, all smiley.

    Chanwoo IS toxic for himself and for MD, and he will still be if he doesn't change his shallow ways. Pretty that if the story had ended sooner, it would be MD reaching Chanwoo to tell him he can't do it.

    MD's situation was seen a MILLION TIMES before in REAL and IMAGINARY life so HOW do you not understand his point of view?

    That being said, if MD is abusive for taking revenge on Chanwoo's fcked up attitude, then a majority of Humanity is.

    Meruemshu June 2, 2020 4:24 am
    Exactly I dont think they realise how dangerous MD was by continuing to play with Chan whilst knowing he doesnt use his safe word. He should have known better especially when it's such visible discomfort. It's ... mangaholic

    How are you gonna have the nerve to defend someone who ignores somebody else's feelings and acts in the most AWFUL way towards that

    And then give lessons about decency in the same sentence how does that work?

    How about Chanwoo grows braincells from the fckin start I bet if this little asshole was considerate this whole issue wouldn't even exist.

    Meruemshu June 2, 2020 4:26 am
    T H A N K Y O U! I'm annoyed at how people like to play the 'oh no i'm a victim unwillingly'Chanwoo is an A$$! Plain and simple, and until he decides to stop being an A$$ nothing's gonna change! I bet if it wa... Moylyn

    RIGHT? this is INSANE they're facing someone who LACKS a sense of responsibility and STILL want to make him irresponsible like-

    This is just Representative of today's generations, it's never, EVER directly their fault it's always something around them.

    Scarleto June 2, 2020 5:10 am
    And MD owes Chanwoo what exactly? Moylyn

    ??? I never said MD owes Chanwoo anything. Sorry, maybe I phrased it badly. I just meant that Chanwoo has every right to like who he wants, and not like who he wants, and MD emotionally abusing him because he didn't like being rejected, or to 'help' Chanwoo, is just unnacceptable. I don't see how people are blaming Chanwoo, he isn't perfect, I know, but that doesn't give MD the right to manipulate and abuse him.

    Scarleto June 2, 2020 1:17 pm
    RIGHT? this is INSANE they're facing someone who LACKS a sense of responsibility and STILL want to make him irresponsible like-This is just Representative of today's generations, it's never, EVER directly their... Meruemshu

    I can't... every reply you've written here is just... saying that Chanwoo was abusing MD and not the other way around??? Huh??? You need to research about what emotional manipulation and abuse is. Chanwoo has been very insensitive, but people are allowed to reject whoever they want!! They agreed to keep their relationship professional, I fully empathise with how MD must have been feeling in such a situation, but he has become emotionally manipulative, and that isn't excusable because his feelings were hurt by Chan.
    Also, saying Chan could have left whenever and that he could have just said the safe word, we've seen that it's not that easy. He refused to say it even while MD was choking him, both us and MD know Chanwoo doesn't know his limits, so taking advantage of that is a shi**y thing to do.
    Another thing, saying that 'Abusive relationships are BUILT over time' and 'you don't become dependant on somebody in one night after discovering you got played in your own shallow game. It's just not how psychology works'. First of all, I'll admit, I am not an expert in psychology, are you?? Are you really sure that psychology, in terms of every human on the planet, doesn't work like that? Also, who said Chan became 'dependent' on MD in one night?? As far as I know, giving us that argument is pretty irrelevant to everyone else's points?? Like saying that doesn't explain your reasoning as to how you think Chan wasn't abused. I am confusion.
    On top of that, saying 'This is just Representative of today's generations, it's never, EVER directly their fault it's always something around them'. Once again, after reading one of your sentences, I was left thinking, HUH??? What generation are you? What generation do you think everyone else on here is?? Stereotyping an entire generation, probably isn't a good idea?? Also, saying that today's generations blame others and not themselves... just no? Have you ever met anyone from this generation? Because I know plenty that are super kind, hardworking, and take responsibility for their actions. But we also have enough knowledge and self respect to know when we are in a situation that is not our fault. Also, do you really believe that victim blaming is okay, and that not victim blaming is just people blaming others when it's their own fault??? Seriously??? I don't even know where to begin. Believe it or not, abuse isn't something anyone deserves, no matter how selfish or insensitive they may be, saying it's their fault for being abused.. ????? It is the abusers fault, not the victim. I just....
    Anyway, I know probably no one is gonna read this because it's so long but I've just never met anyone who has these kinds of opinions and I'm so frustrated rn!!!! Like I really just wanna talk to you for like an hour and try to make you understand what I'm saying, because I don't understand your opinions on this, there's just so much wrong with your mentality.

    zeromae June 2, 2020 3:40 pm
    I can't... every reply you've written here is just... saying that Chanwoo was abusing MD and not the other way around??? Huh??? You need to research about what emotional manipulation and abuse is. Chanwoo has b... Scarleto

    omg this!!!!! i agree with everything here! it’s so hard trying to explain why this relationship is bad and why MD is being abusive and toxic. like i mentioned before, i’ve been in a toxic and emotionally abusive relationship so i recognize what MD is doing and it screams red flags. also i’m not gonna say i’m credible but i’m a major in psychology and just that whole post talking about how “psychology works” i was like wtf?? no that’s not how it works. abuse isn’t only something that takes time, yes in many cases it happens with relationships over time, but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen in short periods of time. abuse is abuse no matter how long it’s been. it’s crazy seeing how many people hate chanwoo bc he rejected MD so now he deserves everything that’s happened to him. and everyone just saying “chanwoo is an adult he can leave at any time” is so problematic. people aren’t understanding what manipulation is and just how much it can hold people back, no matter how old or young someone is. i knew the bl fandom was toxic and problematic but this was just something else. i normally never comment on anything, but this really bothered me and i just wanted to try and explain to people why MD is toxic and what he’s doing isn’t okay, no matter how “bratty” or “selfish” chanwoo is being. i just hope people don’t think these things are okay if they happened in real life. i know i’m probably reading too deep and this is literally fiction, however i believe fiction and what we read/see has a huge impact on our actions and i just want people to realize what toxic relationships are and what abuse can look like ):

    Scarleto June 2, 2020 10:04 pm
    omg this!!!!! i agree with everything here! it’s so hard trying to explain why this relationship is bad and why MD is being abusive and toxic. like i mentioned before, i’ve been in a toxic and emotionally a... zeromae

    Yes!! I so agree! I get that it's 'just a story' but regardless I think people thinking Chanwoo isn't being abused is really worrying, because who's to say they wouldn't say the same about people in real life going through situations like these?? Idk, but I just think people should be more educated about abuse. Also, you do a great job at explaining!!! And you seem so calm and civil and nice about it, I get a bit heated so I have such respect for you!

    zeromae June 2, 2020 11:46 pm
    Yes!! I so agree! I get that it's 'just a story' but regardless I think people thinking Chanwoo isn't being abused is really worrying, because who's to say they wouldn't say the same about people in real life g... Scarleto

    thank you!!! i try really hard to be civil and every reply i’ve see to my posts scares me bc i never comment on anything and some people have gotten really heated. at some point i’ve just given up on explaining why this is problematic bc some people just don’t see my point of view. i especially worry about the people who think he deserves everything bad bc he rejected MD and it just screams so much incel energy and in real life situations, that wouldn’t be okay. i guess i just want people to understand that rejection is okay and people don’t owe anyone they rejected anything and also what forms of abuse can look like. it’s not always physical, manipulation is a huge part of emotional abuse and some people don’t understand how bad manipulation can be (:

    Scarleto June 3, 2020 6:20 am
    thank you!!! i try really hard to be civil and every reply i’ve see to my posts scares me bc i never comment on anything and some people have gotten really heated. at some point i’ve just given up on explai... zeromae

    Yeah, I've seen a lot of people try and explain, but I've gotten to the point where I feel like there's not much people can do to change others' minds, as sad as that is. I'm just hoping that people are encouraged to try to learn more about abuse, because a lot of people seem to not understand.

    abthurd June 8, 2020 5:33 pm
    Your whole analysis crumbles the moment you remember that he picked the one who just tricked him on the same exact criteria as his boyfriend.That's the problem with Chanwoo, he ALWAYS goes for the same good-loo... Meruemshu

    This reply doesn't age well isn't it? Well, I told you so. Glad we have this dcssn.

    Meruemshu June 9, 2020 12:19 am

    I don't know why this discussion is still going on. The author demonstrated that people who defended MD were right all along about the characters' feelings and all.

    We are right you were wrong period

Moylyn May 27, 2020 2:37 am

Sunji?? Hmmm

Moylyn May 27, 2020 12:41 am

I don't feel one bit of sorry or pity for Chanwoo
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