P.S. these are only my thoughts and I am in no way trying to fight/defend anyone because I myself am not sure where I stand in this debate
Isn't murder/stalking also illegal? If so, why can I only see people defending those characters who experience pedophilia and rape? Where is that energy of "it's disgusting and it's illegal, you're sick for liking this" when it comes to fictional books that heavily focus on topics like murder? Because as far as I can see, I only see people "praising" such serial killers/psychotic characters. I'm not trying to fight, I'm really just wondering. I myself do not support the act of rape, pedophilia, murder, etc. I read these types of things because I like reading books/novels/illustrations that dwell on dark concepts. Concepts that are typically not accepted in the world and are considered immoral. However, that does not mean that I support the act in itself.
Would love to hear your thoughts regarding this. But let me reiterate that I am in no way trying to start conflict of any sort. I just wanna have a civil talk with anyone who might be interested in replying :>
LMAO WHAT? how was this a fair comparison at ALL? you’re acting as if we’re going to go out and kill people, meanwhile this actually happens in real life, children get sexually assaulted/raped by adults daily and the fact that people are romanticizing it are weird. that’s the fucking difference bozo
Then Im going to reverse your argument, "you are acting as if were going to go out and [sexually assault children]"
and who's romanticizing? if we read this pedo dj it means we are romanticizing it?
so are you also romanticizing murder since you read it?
See? your argument is being reversed, its just that it is normal to see murder in fiction, while pedo isnt
don’t you think there’s a reason why pedophilic acts aren’t normal in fiction? it isn’t right morally and it is very disrespectful to those who have been sexually assaulted/manipulated/raped by an adult as a child, and to play it off and say “it’s okay because he liked it” ??? like why are you trying to justify people reading this? you’re like actually weird bro, get some help lol. you’re telling me that all the people saying “this is hot” “i wish this happened to me” AREN’T romanticizing this? there’s a thin line when it comes to what’s okay to write about and what’s not.
also, i am not romanticizing murder for reading it. but the people in these comments are saying this is hot, what part of this is hot? if you can’t tell they’re romanticizing it then.. that’s sad. if you still got a problem with me add my discord cuz i ain’t about to argue in some mangago comment section luka#2000
I dont want to reply each of it, but lol Im not trying to defend people here, I myself didnt like the chapter 4, but other chapter werent pedo in my eyes, albeit pedo is considered 16 years old in other countries while pedo is considered 13 in other countries. I didnt considered it as a pedo because itadori wasnt even look like a child [except chapter 4]
Im defending my pov here. not other people's pov
people also die everyday, and serial killers like ted bundy are romanticised. look at the number of movies that have come out about him and he even has a Fanclub. dir you don’t go around calling people who are into true crime or watch ted bundy movies or slashers serial killers do you? or are you going to cancel the whole horror genre whilst you’re at it?
how is it you’re able to understand the separation between fiction and reality when it comes to killing stalking which sexualises murder and abuse to its extremes but can’t do the same for this shit? i don’t even like this stuff and people like you are so annoying. can guarantee you haven’t lifted a single finger to help real victims of csa yet you preach so freely here. gtfo with your pathetic performative activism, you look stupid getting all witch hunty by hijacking serious issues that impact real people only to trivialise it to bullying people over which anime boys are fuckable. go outside and join a charity
real boomer moment with your qanon crazy witch hunting lmao, yeah stay delusional. on your deathbed be like ‘heck yeah i saved those children besties <3 itadori thanked me personally’ life achievement unlocked. meanwhile real predators are running around
this you? https://imgur.com/a/DlmkNYD
you understand killing is obviously wrong so when you read material sexualising it you’re fine bc you know it’s not real and is not an indication of your morals irl. but the fact you can’t do that in this case means that you don’t think it’s inherently wrong since apparently all it takes to be a pedophile is to read a doujin - that it’s apparently an indication of your morals irl. the fact you think this way is dangerous because it implies you don’t have the understanding it’s wrong in the first place if all it takes is a doujin to sway someone’s morals.
pedophilia is a disorder. trust me, anyone can be a pedo, and it doesn’t mean a doujin or problematic material is an indication of one
so i’m a pedophile for pointing out that it’s weird to be turned on by this and say this is hot? yeah ok.. especially when it comes to straight women, always fetishizing and speaking over mlm! do you also think watching “loli porn” is okay because it’s not real and no one would go out and do the same acts? even though the female has the body and mindset of a child? anyone with a working brain would know that a minor and an adult is weird no matter if it’s fictional or not. shameful! anyways why you arguing with a 15 year old about whether it’s okay to read 2 men fucking, one being a minor at that. add my discord tho cause it’s kind of annoying to have to write all of this on a site!!!
it’s okay to be weirded out by it. that’s called having a squick. what’s not okay is slandering people about it which is what you are doing. you have no idea why people read certain things
like some are apparently okay with it if it’s confirmed that the Uke is 18+ and just assume that the uke is petite for example and others might say it doesn’t matter bc to them the uke looks like a child due to the size difference. everyone has a different idea of what is acceptable so it’s a never ending argument. which is why it’s just better to don’t read if you don’t like otherwise it just turns into a witch hunt with moving goalposts - it never ends because fiction is malleable and people will interpret it however they like.
i despise lolishota stuff but im not going to harass people over it or slander because whilst it’s distasteful, there are no real victims. and even if they were pedos id much rather they wanking off to fictional children than real ones. bullying people online does not help victims and just makes the internet a more volatile place and miserable. maybe some people read it because they are victims of csa and it’s their way of coping. it’s not my place to educate because i am not a psychotherapist or anything and as long as no one is hurt - whatever.
straight women fetishising? sure some might be, but personally i think the benefits outweigh the negatives. firstly it’s no where near as large scale as msm. secondly, this genre allows for good representation and exposure to mlm relationships if people are in a homophobic place/society. and thirdly, not all people who read yaoi are straight women - some might identify with other things, such as identifying as a gay trans male for example. ik every now and then i see topics come up saying ‘i wish i was a boy in yaoi’ and such and it is probably because it’s the first time they’re exploring their own sexuality through fiction. this applies to women as well who are used to always being under the male gaze and portrayed as an object of desire. instead in yaoi it is the man who is the object of desire. even lesbians might relate to the struggles of a mlm relationship idk. also are you mlm? if not, aren’t you speaking over them right now?
also you contradict yourself you weirdo, telling me off for arguing with a 15 year old asshole then inviting me to talk to your discord? bruh
"Some read pedophilia content for sexual interest, while some read murder for the 'horror' and psychological warfare"
That's actually kinda interesting. I can agree to it to a certain extent. Wow, thank you! I never really realized such things. This makes me understand a little more from both sides of the spectrum. Once again, thank you!
i’ve read the replies regarding your first reply in this comment and damn you can never win. many pedos are gathering up, how can you? they can never make sense when it comes to arguing. your point is so clear, but they can’t even understand it, bc they’re busy trying to find things just to defend that they’re not “pedo”. fucking hate it here.
agreeing with you, i'm an actual survivor of sexual exploitation when i was 11, and it pains me to see people acting like this when they could be dealing with helping actual survivors. it's helping nobody to act 'nobler than thou' whilst ignoring actual people. (i recognize that although there is a possibility that some may actually donate to charities, it's highly improbable as they're spending their time getting into arguments in a comment section)
i’m not invalidating your feelings towards the victims, and what i’m going to say doesn’t mean that you deserve what happened to u when u was 11 years old, no one deserves tht. but you are tolerating pedophilia in fiction world. pedophilia is pedophilia. if you actually care about the victims, then why defend pedos? right?
tolerating pedophila ≠ caring ab the victims.
it’s not arguing, it’s educating that is becoming a slander. why would it become a slander? if a person gets educated, that’s that. but if they’re not willing to get educated, they’re going to defend themselves or even give their whole mindset as a comeback but their mindset is toxic so it’ll offend many people. so people will go hate you bc they know that you’ll never listen bc ull stick to your mindset (we call it mindset for a reason).
imagine, u want to defend pedophilia victims by joining charity or making people join charity. defend pedophilia victims by giving them justice because they don’t deserve it, meanwhile you enjoy (or defend people) reading an adult having sexual relationship w a minor that’s equal to pedophila. isn’t that pathetic? isn’t that disgusting? you’re defending pede philip victims while on the other side, you’re romanticizing or even sexualizing them bc you enjoy or let people enjoy read this kind of things.
the hypocrisy.
THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING! it’s honestly sad how they’re sitting on their asses replying to this thread to make excuses for their pedophilic behavior, i’ve been done w/ this thread! everyone replying is fucked in the head and they can’t grasp the fact that this just isn’t right fictional or not! how could you write and illustrate this thinking it was OKAY? like ??
exactly. they’re telling people to care ab real life victims and join charity when they’re here defending pedos or themselves for reading this shitty manga. how low can they be? they’re not making any sense even if they explain everything to you bc overall their point is “it’s just fiction” when the fiction they’re talking ab is literally ab an adult having sexual relationship w a minor. these people need help.
hey, i’m only replying bc i saw your message. i’m a csa survivor too which is why i feel so strongly about this. they only care about predators when it’s yaoi related and cause more harm than good over thoughtcrimes. idk i feel like they don’t have nuanced takes on what actually helps survivors vs attacking people to feel better about their performative activism. like it’s disappointing how much energy they put into this when they could be helping real people. hypocritical how they blast people over fiction but don’t give a second thought to how they bully and harass real people.
these folk so easily point fingers without giving thought about the fact there is a real person behind the screen. like im kinda used to it now, but it does get jarring to be called pedo pedo pedo when i give my pov and considering my own experiences. they say it so freely but it cuts deeply bc these are thing that either we have experienced or have loved ones who have experienced it. just because it happens does not mean everything else in our lives comes to a halt. we are not a media portrayal of trauma
but yeah, don’t let the bastards grind you down my friend. it is extremely online discourse after all, and these people aren’t in touch with reality
speaking over csa survivor is not exactly done in good faith is it? well done you absolute asshole
for you to compare the works of fiction to something that affects people takes away from the people that need and deserve the help you so graciously say you give. you are a complete piece of shit to think you are helping anyone. if you had one ounce of empathy or sincere care for the people you think you are defending you would
1. put trigger warnings on your fucking arguments.
2. stop using the fucking p word every other fucking word because of how fucking ignorant it makes you sound you dumb fuck
C) stop with the fucking with the bullshit of you are so "holier than thou” as if you have the right to lecture anyone, all “look at all these sinners to condemn" when slandering people over a fucking yaoi and somehow making it to be for some greater cause against pedophiles, whilst also claiming to speak for survivors, helping ‘victims’ yet speaking over them you patronising fuck
you’re a can survivor, i’m sorry and you don’t deserve that but that doesn’t mean u can use that as an excuse to get away and if you’re a csa survivor shouldnt u know better? i’m not trying to be the bad guy for saying this but you’re a csa survivor which means child sexual abuse (correct me if i’m wrong) and then you’re here defendinh people or you’re even the one who’s reading these kind of mangas where the uke literally looks like a child. it’s much more disappointing that you know how much you suffered and you know how much trauma had put into you since you’re a csa survivor, but then you sexualize them. make it make sense
“they only care ab predators when it’s yaoi related” that’s bc you only read yaoi w children having sex in it, bc u think everything is ab u, and u only.
“don’t let the bastards.. etc” says the one who replied my reply to that manga, where the uke looks like a child, talking ab the age is not confirmed. and they’re also here for defending people or themselves bc they really like seeing a child having sex w an adult bc yuji is minor even in manga, and obv gojo is an adult. you have no right to use your csa survivor card (again i’m not invalidating you, you don’t deserve that, no one does) when we’re literally talking ab how you cannot sexualize minors in any way, bc it’s illegal and it’s so fucking creepy esp when i hear the phrase “it’s just a fiction, learn how to separate fiction to reality” to a csa survivor who shoulve know better. this reply also goes to that other csa survivor in this comment section.
it is child porn. “there are no victims in fiction” but there are victims in real life like you and the other csa survivor, that can trigger their trauma. shame on u if you use your csa survivor card just to say things or get away w things. it’s even shaming if it’s not true, but i believe you set aside what you just said ab fiction and reality even in pedophilia bc no one rlly deserve that.
r u that obsessed w pegging? lmao.
how low can u get, you’re even including my dad. oh sorry, don’t u have a dad? trying to force yourself to other people’s father.. poor you. defending pedophiles are disgusting enough, have you reached the rock bottom? u can peg satan there, u guys r perfect for each other <33
you really can’t take what you dish out, sure i peg satan <3 if satan is your dad <3 my dad is a probably a pedo sooo
you think me telling you i’ll peg your dad is equal to me actually forcing myself on him irl? honey, you sound like kaitlin bennet calling lil nas a pedo - we really recycling conservative points used against montero? i haven’t even come out as a queer yet. who’s really reaching? seeing a pattern here
you do know that there’s diff right? you’re literally taking advantage of it, thinking that we’ll let u off. you’re using your “csa survivor card” bc that’s what you’re doing. what? do u want me to just say that we’re sorry and we shoulve listen to you bc you’re a csa survivor? fuck tf off. yes i’m sorry bc u don’t deserve that, no one does but i’m not sorry for calling you out or slandering u bc u literally sexualize yourself and other csa survivors thinking its okay bc YOURE CSA SURVIVOR. pathetic
omfg did i say that?? YOURE THE ONE WHO SAID THAT NOT ME OMFG. “you think me telling you i’ll peg your dad is equal to me actually forcing myself on him irl?” that came out, out of your rotten brain, my love. or u just didn’t get what i just said bc you’re dumb af to realize it? i’ll explain ha, “trying to force yourself in other people’s father” what i meant is you’re trying to force yourself to other people’s father bc clearly you don’t get enough love.
slandering real victims? r u fr? damn, this is too damn funny.
“uwi chika chika chika i’m a literal idiot for sexualizing minors in fiction even though i’m a csa survivor and i shoulve know better but i chose to sexualize myself and other csa survivors just bc i don’t feel my trauma getting back at me when i read yaoi manga like yuji and gojo because it’s fucking fiction, uwu <3 i’m so fucking pathetic to use the csa survivor card just to get away from everything bc i thought they would go to my fucking side. chika chika chika <33”
youre sick in the head, go to therapy.
if anyone has a say it should be people that yk you claim to be helping. but you clearly dgaf because you care more about creating imaginary villains to make yourself feel better. people like you claim to speak for me and to help me - as long as they don’t disagree with you. now i’m the supposed hypocritical traitor to survivors, and it’s me pulling the csa card lmaooo
same words, clearly didn’t understand what i just said bc ure busy proving your so-called point. what’s your damn point? your point is that it’s okay to fuck minors even though you’re an adult bc it’s fiction? you have that kind of mindset when you’re csa survivor ?? shame on you.
who would even disagree at my point when it’s clearly the bare minimum. you’re the one who’s weird don’t force yourself to find pity here. ofc you’re pulling the csa survivor card bc you’re literally taking advantage of it, cant u see what you’re doing? cuz if u don’t, i’ll tell you. you sound so dumb as fuck, even if i’m a person who agree w your point i would find you funny bc you just proved the person who has the completely opposite opinion (which is me and it shouldn’t b a completely opposite opinion bc it’s the fucking bare minimum but let’s give that as an example for you to understand how dumb u sound) bc u just look like you’re trying to beg for pity.
“goodluck i’m saving children or whatever” says the one who took advantge of their csa survivor card. i must pity you... you really look like you need it. trying to look superior and all but it won’t work though. it would’ve worked if your point’s valid, unfortunately it’s not. you’re at the rock bottom, and a whole circus for liking manga like these when youre a csa survivor.
plus if you’re a kid you shouldn’t even be here, like. it’s your own fault you came across something gross - sorry to break it to you but the internet is a dark place. like maybe fuck off and avoid tags you don’t like if you aren’t able to critically consume content without turning into a pedo - since you equate fiction to reality. like just lyk you can be classified as a pedo at 16 according to the apa, and most pedos are aware of their attractions around 12-14. so yk
i don’t even like it tho, i just hate people like you lmao, i said whatever bc you clearly dgaf. bet you haven’t even done the bare minimum like donating to a charity or something, it just disturbs you as long as it fucks up your porn journey and that’s the only time you speak up about ‘predators bad’. guaranteed you haven’t contributed a single positive thing irl because that requires work, so it’s you who try to feel superior by coming here and pretend to be enacting justice or smth
how does being a csa survivor make me superior? there’s something wrong with you
am i a kid? excuses and more covers... what do i even expect to someone who took advantage of them being csa survivor. “you came across something gross” if it’s gross then why like it? if you’re talking ab the sex itself ofc it’s not gross, what’s gross is that you like children even though you’re csa survivor.
i don’t like children tho? wtf LOL weirdo, projecting much
>helped 0 survivors
>invalidated survivor when disagreeing w you
>accuse me of pulling a csa card
>imply that i force myself on your dad then take it back
>assume i have daddy issues with emotionally abusive language
>claims to educate ppl (minors i’m assuming too bc you bring them up so often) over the ‘right’ kind of sexual content and doesn’t see anything wrong w that
>basically called csa survivor a pedo
and you still think you’re the arbiter or justice? like you don’t think the way you talk to REAL people is a problem? or do you care more about fictional characters that much to feel like a good person?
what’s embarrassing is you don’t say shit until i you think i stop replying lmao. stick your snake ass head back up your rectum where it belongs, rich coming from someone who cares and speaks for survivors but only as long as they agree with you. you can label anyone as a predator on the internet after all and if that’s all it takes to win an argument for you without any critically thought out rebuttal then maybe your argument isn’t very good. qanon looking ass
this you https://imgur.com/a/DlmkNYD
because i’m not on mangago 24/7?? i have a life outside of my phone and this website? you’re so chronically online if you tell anyone you read something about an adult fucking an underaged boy, they’ll look at you strangely. please go outside and consider therapy! seeing you get worked up over this is actually laughable but if you want to continue that’s on you
i am in therapy lmaooo the fact you say it as an insult says enough about you but im not surprised. unlike you i do go outside and am also a mandated reporter bc of the work i do which is why people like you piss me off
https://prostasia.org/blog/what-purity-policing-fans-get-wrong/
then why have you made an account on a site that supports it. doesn’t that go against your principles. you realise that if it was the same level as cp it would be illegal right. i wonder why that’s not the case huh. yall are so tiring find some real causes to fight for
like wb incestual relationships in game of thrones? danaerys is a child bride to the khal and had “consensual sex” at 14? does that mean george rr martin is a pedo? steven king wrote a fucking orgy betweeen 12 year olds? is he a pedo? wb twilight? a relationship between a 17 year old and a 100/200 year old vampire? Jacob is even younger i think, does that mean jacob stans are pedos? does that mean the author of 50 shades (which was originally a twilight fanfiction) is a pedo? does that mean stephanie meyer is a pedo? does that mean everyone who reads this content and enjoys it is pedo? shouldn’t it be even worse if it’s in the mainstream, unlike something niche like doujin??
girl u always talking bout something irrelevant pulling game of thrones out ya damn ass, like why are you bringing up a game and some books completely irrelevant to what is happening in this conversation??? kind of weird how you know all of these books with pedophilic acts in them weirdo, i’d recommend finding a better therapist or disappearing off the internet completely thanks! also now that i’m rereading your comment you said “does that mean everyone who reads this content and enjoys it is a pedo?” YES lol
i mention game of thrones bc it is kinda a hallmark of popular media with taboo content. like the show itself drew 10 mil views regularly, and the books around 90 million sold. like you’re calling 90 millions people pedos?? what the fuckk
you say it’s irrelevant to the topic but it’s not, game of thrones can technically be classified as romanticising taboo relationships, the examples i gave are very popular media that are consumed by millions which are equally if not more problematic than this doujin. im pointing out how out of touch you are when problematic media, fiction is depicted in the media all the time. yet there is an understanding that this solely exists in fiction, whilst yall make the wildest accusations over this doujin. like bruh im pretty sure my therapist is more qualified than you??? the heck, but if you’re interested in accredited work here you go
https://driv1s2PL7TcWJfxDGzKn1M7jnMLViOI6Dvj_e.google.com/drive/folders/
and also casey lytle who is psychology professor, who also happens to be on tiktok briefly touched upon taboo fantasies
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdsBEvqm/
he’s on linkedin too if you want to check his credentials
uhhh first link is broken, here you go: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s2PL7TcWJfxDGzKn1M7jnMLViOI6Dvj_
Look, im all in for somnophilia but WHERE THE HECK WAS THE CONSENT !?