Visenya's Topics (358)

"Yall hate woman" is a crazy reach and mind you, the majority of people reading this are woman. God forbid a mf isnt keen on the actions a CHARACTER has taken. Regardless of gender, find a better argument next time.

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It's crazy but you underestimate how unserious and misogynistic fujos can be. You can definitely be a woman and hate women. Both of your arguments are lacking

And you're saying that as if that's the majority.
Not every person who reads BL is a misogynist

girl u wanna be a victim so bad u shadow boxing with arguments i never even said
and if the shoe doesnt fit why u over here shoving it on you

Girl what? I literally put what you said in quotation marks, "yall hate womab" yo ahh suffering from memory loss?

did u get scared mid sentence

Happy 12th Birthday

This for real!!
If she isn't like a stand in for the fujo audience (yk someone to gawk and fangirl just like they do) they always find a reason to hate
To be fair, I think it's valid to dislike that she shared a secret that wasn't hers to tell, but you're definitely right about the internalized (and loudly externalized) misogyny in most of the bl spaces.

ur the one censoring urself brother u can type ass they arent gonna stop u tiktok teens forgot not every semi curse word is blocked

(also mb, didn't realize you two were still actively beefin)

"TikTok Teens" Pot calling the kettle black

ya i wasnt really going for a completely sound argument just annoying that any time a woman is shown in bl ppl find reasons to shit on her. like come on man the focal point doesnt have to be roasting her over the fucking fire cus she knows her friend is interested in the guy so she set him up to easily get with him. if it was a guy wingman i guarantee the hate would be halved at least.

i usually ignore the ppl who wanna act like misogyny isnt alive and well in this scene cus its like as a woman who's been a fujo for the past like 15 years ive seen a lottt of comments about how women dont belong in these spaces/we're fetishists or just overall are hostile to women when theyre around and its like insane to see people act like it doesnt still happen. if anything i feel like theres been a resurgence of shitty gatekeeping lately and sometimes i gotta at least attempt to open their eyes to whats going on

Yeah your argument definitely wasn't sound and bring your devil's advocate mentality somewhere with meaning. This is obvious not a case of misogyny. A person who happened to be a woman made a choice that others didn't find pleasing. Rightfully so, but it seems as if you're the type to tell your best friend's secret without asking them first so I'm not surprised. But since this BL is just for the smut, ain't even that serious. Yall just be chatting sometimes. Can't even dislike a character's actions around you people anymore

Yeah your argument definitely wasn't sound and bring your devil's advocate mentality somewhere with meaning. This is obviously not a case of misogyny that you're "speaking up against" . A person who happened to be a woman made a choice that others didn't find pleasing. Rightfully so, but it seems as if you're the type to tell your best friend's secret without asking them first so I'm not surprised. But since this BL is just for the smut, ain't even that serious. Yall just be chatting sometimes. Can't even dislike a character's actions around you people anymore

yeah im definitely taking ur personal attacks seriously you should make more of them

"Personal attacks" read my comment aloud next time

i was just gonna go to bed and ignore this but im giggling cus its like o shit misogyny has been erased because detective cheesiness investigated the case and found the yaoi community not guilty so i guess we've defeated misogyny and gotten it out of the community
keep up the good work officer the streets are safe with you around o7

Chile, you are in way too deep. "The yaoi community is guilty of misogyny" but mind you, we're just people not liking that the ML's friend told some guy his secret. In real life you'd be crucified just the same. Why even bring the crimes of the whole community on something that definitely deserves a bit of distaste? But yeah, you DEFINITELY need to go to bed.

I would still hate this kind of character if he was a man, lol. I read two stories in which the male friends were annoying and not a friend friend and I commented about them.

1) I didn't say that the majority is misogynistic, please stop projecting. I'm myself a fujo and I know we're not all misogynistic I already agreed with you on that their initial comment was crazy (very poorly worded) so no need to remain hostile which just alters the conversation 2) Fujos spaces tend to cultivate misogyny, wether BL fans are women or not has little to do with it. BL tend to sideline and vilify women, so BL readers take the habit of not empathizing with women hence hate them more. Many fujos don't bother thinking critically when it's a woman's action, they don't care about why she does what she does etc... so their initial comment was lacking. And your comment saying "you can't tell a woman they're being misogynistic" also is lacking.

I think she was being a friend friend tho. It's a specific dynamic, not some general "this is what friendship should be" model. She knows Arim's boundaries because she's such a good friend, and helped him get what he so desperately wanted. She's not really exposing his secret to a random stranger. It's the whole "confident friend helping shy socially anxious MC gets his crush", knowing someone so well that you can sometimes act on their behalf in risky ways because you know they want it but can't do it themselves. The manhwa exagerrated it all for drama and edginess bc it keeps the audience talking and engaged. Anyways it's smut so the characters are heightened and all a bit crazy. She's like the least weird of the three.

I don't think you know what projecting means but anyways that's what you made it seem like. Especially when the initial comment starts with "Yall hate woman" as a general statement. And most woman here aren't misogynistic simply because they don't like the actions of a certain character. I don't know why you decided to bring up the problem fujos and whatever argument you tried to make about them. It just doesn't make sense in the context that people are just mad at a bad decision. And you definitely worded your last statement horribly. And it's funny how you say you didn't say a certain thing but then butchering everything I said. Not once did I utter "You can't tell a woman they're being misogynistic" so let's re-read my comment again. I simply stated that the majority people who read this are woman who aren't misogynistic simply because they don't like a character's action.

bruh we didnt want her to lie, she could had just left and dropped some hints why the fuck would she expose his secret which only she is pry to

You've put strong emphasis on gender: "mind you, the majority of people reading this are woman.", and the wording was off then if you didn't mean it as "don't tell women they're being misogynistic". Anyways, my point wasn't that everyone who dislikes her is a misogynist, but that there's heavy internalized misogyny in BL spaces that leads to female characters being hated disproportionately differently than a male one. And her action wasn't a bad decision by most standards 1) Arim got his crush 2) we got quick smut scenes. Her actions were just propelling the plot forward. Y'all dislike her, fairly, because you're projecting your own ideas of what "friendship" should look like onto this fictional situation. But Arim isn't you, and that girl isn't your friend so this isn't tailored to fit your preferences.

Not a random stranger? But she barely knows him. I agree with you on the other parts but he is a stranger. We know he isn't lying but what he was a red flag and used this info to blackmail him? I loved her before she exposed his secret. She could've just dropped some hints but okay.

The wording was definitely not off, those are two completely different sentences with different meanings. Also, the action of telling your friend's secret without consulting them is not good in general. You're just not understanding, I fear. The people here just dislike the idea of someone telling their secret to some crush and she did exactly that. The plot is horrid and this is a smut BL, ain't nobody taking it that seriously. Everyone knows it's fictional by the way So bringing up misogynisy when actively knowing that the character made a questionable decision that many wouldn't like, that's also just used to move things along and cause activity is wicked work. But to each their own.

in this case, the problem wasnt her gender but rather her exposing the secret, if she were a man, pretty sure he would had gotten the same amount of hate, while i do agree misogyny is a prevalent problem in yaoi as women are usually potrayed as annoying people who get in between mlm relationships or ex that stir trouble for no reason,, this was not such a case.
you bringing 'misogyny' just to defend her, that oh you are a misogynyst if you hate her is dumb.
we are not projecting 'ideas of friendship' but rather aware that exposing a secret is shitty and that its not an idea but a standard for friendships. while I do agree her function in this story was to push forward the plot but that doesnt change the fact that her actions were bad.

literally its so juvenile LOL like its not that serious for people to keep saying she failed as a best friend and i truly feel like ML had a right to know! if you can look into my thoughts *AND* tell them to your friend, i have the right to know you can even do the shit in the first place! plus it was genuinely just the equivalent of your best friend telling your crush you like them idk why all these people are so fake mad LOLOLOL

Exactly!

hey i get it man i remember being 15 one time too, its easier to ignore a problem than to admit there is one

Should've known by the way you type that you wouldn't be able to comprehend a single sentence. A real shame.

Maybe this hits different because it's not so much miss communicstion in begin, and know the fixing will no doubt have miss understanding because they don't know anything about each other