This is honestly gross. The ml is no better than his father who tried to buy Soorim as a sex slave. He knows that Soorim is emotionally vulnerable, traumatized, and has been groomed for many years, so he takes advantage by dangling his mother in front of him to get him to offer up sex (the only thing he has to offer), and consistently pressures him for more than he is comfortable with during the encounter.
He’s essentially just knowingly taking advantage of all the abuse, brainwashing, and grooming his captors inflicted on Soorim to get him to sleep with him, all while pretending that he’s somehow better than the human traffickers.
He made an offer to find the only person Soorim ever loved after he has been a captive since childhood (and even now) knowing full well that the only thing he could possibly have to offer is sex.
Just disgusting. What makes it even more disturbing is that he knows that Soorim has been manipulated and is emotionally/psychologically stunted due to trauma. He understands how vulnerable and damaged Soorim is and proceeded to use it to his advantage almost immediately.
What??
Did you read ch 11? This is the exact opposite of the plot.
As much as I would totally agree if this was literally any other character. Soorim is the one that is trying to get ml to sleep w him, literally demanding, not even begging. And you saw how Soorim prevented getting sexually involved with his captors, he even said it himself that he never had sex before. When his captor did get close, he fucking stabbed him lmfao. Dudes a badass even when he first got kidnapped by the ml, if he saw the ml was taking advantage of him bro would most definitely retaliate and make sure ml regrets it. Saying the ml is taking advantage of Soorim is basically denying How strong and capable Soorim is. Even if bros kinda dumb. But I also agree with a lot of what you said
I am aware that Soorim is pursuing him and has made several overtures, but my problem is how the ml went about it. There wasn’t any flirting or giving in to Soorim’s offer. It was very deliberate and manipulative. He’s just trying to put all the responsibility on Soorim for offering even though he corralled the situation in such a way that it was clear he was trying to elicit sexual favors. Soorim has been imprisoned for almost ten years since childhood and he still is, just in a nicer cage, so dangling any freedom, rewards, or reunifications is incredible manipulative and would likely result in a desperate offer.
I am not denying that Soorim is a consenting adult who has defended himself against unwanted advances, but my issue is that the ml has stated that he knows how psychologically vulnerable he is, and still chose to leverage finding his mother to get him to make a sexual offer. He is technically holding Soorim against his will. Soorim cannot leave if he wants to, and if you make a vague offer in exchange for undecided compensation to someone who you know has no money, possessions, education, marketable skills, or valuable information and refuse future monetary compensation it’s pretty obvious what you’re angling for.
This is only tolerable because Soorim had already tried to come onto him, but the situation would have put a lot of pressure on him to sleep with the ml even if he didn’t want to so he could find the only person who has ever loved and protected him. Another issue I have is that ml has no idea whether she’s dead or alive, or somewhere they could get her, but still made the deal as if he would definitely be able to bring her to Soorim, which again, is not necessarily sociopathic, but speaks to a lack of care and manipulation.
Yeah, thats what I agreed with, I think the ml should've been able to hold off on mc's advances due to what the mc went through, it was really disappointing how easy it was for him to basically lose control. And it was weird to use his mother to make him stay, no matter the reason for why he has to. I mostly think he should just tell Soorim why he's holding him against his will, because from the backstory and how hostile he is against his father it seems like it's not just pure greed and shit. And I mean, ml seemed to be raised by his dad.... I wouldn't be surprised if he inherited some of his.."traits". I think most of the problems stem from a lack of transparency from the ml.
Yes, he apparently considers mc mature and stable enough to consent to sexual encounters, but not to know the truth about why he has been, and still is imprisoned, the nature of his body, and why he needs to be “protected”. I think it’s just laziness. Ml just doesn’t want to go through the trouble of having these unpleasant, complicated conversation, and as long as Soorim is in the dark, he doesn’t know enough to make informed decisions that may be counter to what ml wants. I just think it’s very toxic, the way the only thing mc is somehow qualified to decide is to sleep with the ml, while he is deliberately kept ignorant of everything else and not consulted in the most basic discussions/decisions about his life. They don’t want him doing this or that because he doesn’t know anything and hasn’t recovered from the trauma of imprisonment, but they’re all just excuses to disrespect his autonomy because ml had no problem soliciting and receiving quid pro quo sexual favors from that same person
Have we been reading the same thing?!? Soorim is the one making ALL the sexual advances....
He was just kidding around with Soorim when he said to him so what can you offer me. And Soorim, still wanting to sleep with him, from the get go, said I'll offer up my body. He's been wanting to sleep w/ the ML from the beginning. The ML held off all of his advances. And ML would never let MC be hurt so he kept him there. If left to his own devices his father would have gotten a hold of him. And sex will be forced.
I don't think ML was raised by his dad.
If he was kidding around, he would have immediately shut it down when Soorim took it seriously. And also, if that’s the case, he’s still horrible for jerking Soorim around about finding his only family that he has no means to find himself and hasn’t seen in a decade.
My issue is that there are very obvious discussions with other characters where ml is clearly aware of all the abuse, grooming, and sexually inappropriate behavior Soorim has endured from a young age. It’s this awareness that makes him an exploitative asshole.
Soorim has made many advances, but are they genuinely of his free will? He is ml’s prisoner. He is not allowed to leave. He doesn’t know anything and is not given the respect and consideration of an adult for his “protection”. He is being treated well for now, but that could change depending on ml’s whims, and Soorim knows it.
He hasn’t been socialized or had healthy relationships at all since he was a young child. He is very vulnerable mentally, which means he is not able to properly protect or advocate for himself, even in basic social situations, much less one as messy as between him and ml. Again, my problem is that the ml is aware of these issues and is still happy to take advantage.
Him trying to initiate with ml is more of a subconscious survival mechanism. Whether he understands it or not, he’s trying to curry favor with the one who has all the power over him. And whether ml is aware of it or not, he’s capitalizing on Soorim’s past abuse/trauma and current imprisonment in a roundabout way to obtain sex.
The ml knows how vulnerable he is and whether he took advantage, though he doesn’t want to acknowledge it. Offering a desperate person who you have absolute control over for a quid pro quo favor in exchange for the thing they are most desperate for is not a “joke”. Ml was leading him into the offer. He knows that Soorim has nothing else to offer and ml’s imprisonment/isolation of him makes it impossible for him to find her himself or obtain anything but sex to bargain with.
Ml knew what he was doing and what he wanted. He would have been a nasty jerk even if he had immediately turned down the sexual favor. The fact that he accepted says everything.
If he finds himself attracted to Soorim, why do you have so much against that?!? He has time and time again refused him. He never considered him more than a baby brother at the beginning. See him for what you want. I agree he shouldn't have kept him in the dark, but maybe he was trying his best to protect him in his own way.
I don't think ML is trying to take advantage in anyway. He literally is just trying to keep MC safe. I don't see where is he trying to take advantage. I don't remember but I think that was the first time MC had made physical sexual contact by kissing him. Maybe the kiss was very alluring. And that broke him. Idk
We don't know how much time has lapsed for him to have grown up/mature/understand things/heal. It wasn't indicated in the story.
Whether Soorim feels legitimate attraction or not isn’t the issue. They keep every bit of important information from him for fear that he won’t be able to handle it. They don’t let him exercise freedom because they don’t trust him to make good decisions for himself. The ml uses his trauma, lack of experience, and psychological issues to justify why he can’t be informed about the most important things that affect his life or allowed to make serious decisions for himself. They note his childish, emotionally stunted mentality
, but somehow the only thing he’s mature enough to decide for himself is to have sex with the person who holds complete power over him? And if this was a matter of ml just feeling legitimate atttraction, why would he even make the offer? As people keep mentioning, Soorim has flirted with and tried to proposition ml several times. If he wasn’t trying to be manipulative, why wouldn’t he just do the same?
Lol MLs will jump through flaming demon filled canyons, heinous battlefield, and the literal bowels of hell with zero hesitation, but piss themselves at the thought of actually communicating with the fl. I get that Rutger was raised poorly and had a lot of negative influences, but come on man. He spoke like 3 sentences to her the entire marriage and he wonders why she got the wrong idea.
Also it was the third marriage she was sold into, after one husband died and the other took their child and abandoned her, so yeah, she needed at least a little affection and reassurance
Dohyun is way too manipulative and controlling. It really ruins all of the other relationship developments and events between them. He deliberately tries to isolate Seohyun from existing and potential friends, has other people secretly keeping tabs on him, and even inserted himself into his home life (Seohyun’s mom seems to take Dohyun’s word over his without much thought).
He’s essentially a coward who would rather puppeteer or derail his friend’s social life to the point that he has no choice but to be with him than actually try to win him over and confess. He doesn’t want to risk rejection because he knows he won’t be taking no for an answer.
He has the audacity to throw a tantrum when Seohyun dares to hang out with other people or go somewhere without informing him, and paints Seohyun as the problematic one for his reaction when the entire situation was his doing in the first place.
And sure, Seohyun always forgives him, but that doesn’t alleviate how creepy he is. It illustrates how well his methods are working because he’s such a central part of his life that Seohyun has a hard time imagining life without him.
Abusive and violent relationships rarely start that way. They start with entitlement, possessiveness, and control, and things escalate from there. It’s just become clear that Dohyun gives zero thought to Seohyun’s happiness and only cares about owning and controlling him through any means.
That entire chapter was solely dedicated to Sienna catching a frog and an old woman publicly dragging her for being an orphan…
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I really love this story and their relationship, but sometimes I feel like the Femdom label gets used for any story where the woman isn’t just a blushing doormat in bed. She knows what she likes and wants, but it’s not like she’s actually trying to dominate him.
I think people conflate a female character actively pursuing her desires with her partner with Femdom when it’s just a normal person with opinions and a personality.
I feel like when it comes to sex, the fl just always being embarrassed and bashful about sex (no matter how often they do it and any prior experience) and taking her partner’s lead is way too normalized.
Why does the chosen one have to be a kid in high school?! The involuntary summoning premise is rough enough without marriage/reproduction pressure added in (these premises can be done well with some delicacy and nuance to neutralize the more problematic aspects) but on top of that the mc is child. Couldn’t get through the first chapter. Do not waste your time
Might be a hot take, but I still can’t see Rosephine as a true villain. All of her villainy stems from the cruelty and disregard of others. It’s been shown that her family regards her only as a tool to expand power, so she really doesn’t have any support. Dionel used her as an emotional replacement, let her think they were dating for two years, then dumped her in an extremely cruel way before immediately bringing in a replacement.
While there were definitely political factors, it seemed like she genuinely liked him as well. He was her primary partner at events, he let her use his money to get all sorts of stuff, he never corrected her when she talked like they were a couple, and he never did anything about the widespread rumors of their imminent engagement. It would have been stranger if she didn’t think they were in a serious relationship.
Both she, her family, and all of high society thought they would be getting married. Dumping her so suddenly was not only traumatic, but humiliating and severely damaged her reputation. Bringing in a new girl (and one who looked so similar to Rosephine) so quickly only added insult to injury.
And even after that her father put immense pressure in her to recover the relationship, despite how clearly Dionel had communicated his disregard for her and severed ties. She was spiraling and it was easier to blame the other woman when she A) seemingly had a decent relationship with him for two years until she appears and B) still needs an engagement with him.
Dionel literally gave them the exact same dress, which was bound to end in disaster… and most definitely created more friction and a publicly humiliating situation. I’m not saying she isn’t in the wrong for pushing someone down the stairs, but her entire villain arc could have been prevented if Dionel hadn’t used her and thrown her away like trash merely for his personal convenience, or if her family had actually cared about her beyond securing a royal marriage.
Rosephine’s entire story reminds me of those villainess time turner stories where the villainess belatedly realizes that everyone was manipulating/exploiting them and that all their previous actions were wrong, but they only realize too late.
I honestly feel bad for her even though some of her actions are inexcusable. She’s a circumstantial villain. If anyone in her life had respected or cared for her as a person, o thing ever would have escalated this far,
Woo kyung is definitely full of shit for demanding payment for for finding Soorim’s mother. He knows Soorim’s has no money, possessions, skills, or information that would be of use to him. He also knows that Soorim has a weird, unhealthy, and transactional perception of sex as he was essentially being prepared to become a concubine since he was young.
As such, Wookyung knew how desperate he would be and that he only had one thing to offer in exchange. He’s honestly really horrible for that. It seems like he hasn’t come to terms with his personal lust, so he created a situation that would make Soorim offer and insist, so he wouldn’t have to feel guilty about pursuing someone so vulnerable. He should feel guilty
Nothing is free in this world you know there's always a price to pay for every actions you make so it's reasonable enough for finding your mother you'll also need to give something inexchange
That’s not the point I was making. Wookyoung keeps talking about he’s not like his family who want to take advantage of and exploit the Illishine, but in the end he’s doing the same thing, just without overt violence. He’s not any better. Soorim is not allowed to leave. He is a prisoner who has had no education. He has been held captive, drugged, and groomed to be a concubine since he was a child. Wookyoung knows that he has a distorted perception of sex, is in an incredibly vulnerable position/mental state, and has nothing else to offer or bargain with.
I’m not saying that he would have been obligated to spend millions of dollars finding Soorim’s mom for free (if she’s even alive), but the offer he made was designed solely to get Soorim to offer up sexual favors. If he was worried about an inequal bargain, he could have given Soorim a job to pay it off over time, etc… The fact that Soorim is a prisoner means he is also incapable of things like getting a job, completing a GED, getting a higher education, all steps that would be necessary for him to accomplish or pay anything on his own.
My point was that Wookyoung was trying to paint himself as benevolent and unlike his father, but the second there was a bot of temptation and a clear opening, he took advantage of Soorim’s desperation, trauma responses, and lack of options to sexually exploit him. If that was the only payment he was willing to accept, he never should have offered.
Just because somebody is desperate and has no better options doesn’t mean another person gets to avoid judgement for pulling some quid pro quo sexual exploitation
You are saying facts. I was so disappointed in him I did think he would get better but that never really happens in BLs.
He is just using the mom as an excuse to get what he wants and maybe even rub it in his father face.
Cause he is pretty much just one or two dimensional. He doesn’t really care about the MC in a loving way just wants to be better than his father in my opinion.
I think he was just trying to make a joke tbh lol
Right, thank you. Like way to have the scene go over your head
If it was a joke, he wouldn’t babe allowed Soorim to actually kiss him. Besides, what about Wookyung’s character seems like a jokester? It doesn’t mesh at all, and even if he was 100% joking that’s still fucked up because he would have dangled false hope of finding Soorim’s only loved one and elicited his most desperate and only possible offer just for shits and giggles.
You're writing an entire paragraph. It was a joke. Over analyzing the hell out of it. It's alot simpler than you're making it out to be. Chill.
You didn't get the point soorim have been captive for 10 years without education and have a mental issue why would he let him free when he knows his father is a horrible man what if his father kidnapped soorim again then abused him
And beside where not in half of the story yet so there's more story we haven't read yet
He was totally joking. But these ppl be so fxkng srs about it.
It's an assumption I would like to forget but if he's left alone his father will get him and he will be most likely raped and made to produce offsprings.
I’m aware that he’s being imprisoned for his “protection” and that the father will abuse/assault him, but my primary issue here is that ml is also trying to take advantage, just in a less overtly violent way. Soorim has been imprisoned, abused, and isolated for more than ten years. He is still imprisoned and isolated now, just under better conditions.
Even if we assume it was a legitimate, though seriously messed up attempt at a joke. What kind of sociopath “jokes” by telling their prisoner they can find their long lost mother for them, but only if they receive something of equivalent value in return, while noting that their prisoner has no knowledge, skills, possessions, or money (and no means to obtain any as long as they are imprisoned) that you would accept?
Either he’s the most socially inept, inconsiderate, and tone deaf person alive, or he made a slanted offer to get Soorim to offer the only bargaining chip he possessed without ml having to be the “bad guy” by asking for sex outright.
You're taking this too far.
Everything, except for the abuse MC has gone thru, is legit. ML has been refusing ALL of MC's advances this far. He's resisted this far. But at some point he broke. I'm not sure why you would label him as a sociopath. I think you're just hell-bent on painting him in a bad light while the real culprit is out there. Seems like this is not your cup-o-tea, or you're just out to diss the ML. Apparently you're not enjoying the story very much. If the ML really wanted to take advantage of the MC early in he would have been able to do it. Why wait until he feeds him, heal him, to then bait him?!? He can't be playful?!? Why do you act as if he has ulterior motives?!? It's so funny you've read so much toxic stories out there you need to paint one of a caring ML for once and can't see it?!?
Anyways, I'm so done with all of your threads saying the same thing. I'm out.
With the AMOUNT of the MC throwing himself at the ML and the ML's not even thinking of him anymore than a baby brother and taking care of him and not just giving in because a piece of meat is being given him to take and he refused it and you still think he's being manipulative.
I'm assuming by now.
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He had called on a partner (his current) to have sex to relieve himself after having been turned on by MC. So he doesn't go all the way. He took all this sexual frustrations out on tennis with his bodyguard/secretary the next morning, works until the late hours.
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Kicking the MC out when MC snuck into his room while he showered
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Not putting his hands on MC at all.
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There's only so much ML can do to resist someone who keeps throwing themselves at them.
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And it's not like he can distance himself entirely from MC.
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MC keeps going looking for him. He's not confined to a space so he has a lot of leeway to approach him.
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It's typical to make a joke, so what would you do for me if I do this for you?
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If MC thinks, well, I don't have any money to give you, I can "do such and such for you" which could mean, I'll cook a meal for you, or paint something for you, give you a massage, idk. Something NONSEXUAL?!? But MC immediately goes there because that's what he wants to give him?!? Idk.
Ml has not changed at all. While Yan is mentally regressed with amnesia he basically tried to rewrite history and groom him into a relationship while he’s vulnerable and unaware. He knows that Yan will not want to be with him once he regains his memories so he’s trying to permanently mark him now so he can’t leave later. This is the equivalent of getting a friend/acquaintance to sign marriage papers while they are mentally incapacitated after a serious accident. His top and only priority is still his wants, and he still doesn’t respect Yan.
He learned nothing. Yan rejected their relationship to the point of psychosis and self harm. If his memories come back, he learns that he lost his powers that gave him safety/autonomy are gone, and he is marked so he has no chance of another relationship is he going to settle in and be happy? Probably not. It’s more likely that he will turn to self harm or spiral into depression again.
Actually, he didn't get to mark MC..He stilled at the last moment..
That is why MC dialogues after that is "what are you afraid of, I am all yours" hinting that ML didn't get to mark him.
I know, but my point is that he’s seriously considering it. He still only cares about himself. He’s trying to do something permanent to someone who he knows would not be in a relationship with him if not for his amnesia/mental incapacitation. He’s also not being truthful about their prior relationship when Yan asks. He’s trying to paint their history in a positive light and rewrite history. And consider this. If it’s because he thinks Yan is too weak/mentally young/vulnerable to handle reality, this man is seriously considering marking/marrying him as he is now, so let that sink in. He knows the real Yan won’t let him get away with everything, so he’s trying to trap him while he’s still naive and vulnerable
I won't say you are wrong as that is your opinion and I have actually finisbed reading the novel a long time ago so there are points that I didn't remember clearly so I can't refute.. The thing that I remember the most which makes me paints ML as isn't that bad is because of his childhood.. both of his parents aren't a good role model either in showing love. So growing up, he didn't actually believe in pure love so he just think of protecting Yanyi from his father (ML dad is the true scum here btw) After Yanyi tries to leave him, he finally realize his fault and there you have it, there will be chasing arc after Yanyi gains his memories back and another (true) redemption arc for ML.
I definitely agree that ml didn’t have great role models, but that doesn’t excuse him for his toxic and abusive behavior later in life. Yan had a much more traumatic childhood and the same role models, but he never abused, controlled, or tried to take advantage of his “loved” one. My point is that the chasing arcs themselves show how little he has actually changed. He may feel a little guilty, but he still doesn’t respect Yan’s opinions or autonomy.
And I’ll go out on a limb and guess that he’ll show up to save the day when Yan gets attacked/kidnapped after he runs off because he regains his memories since he’s permanently weak af now due to ml’s selfishness. Yan I’d essentially permanently crippled because of him. No level of guilt or gestures of repentance could truly even that scale
No, no this is not the true chasing arc yet.. Ahh, I wish I can spoil more but that won't be fun. Just trust me, it is worth to wait
Don’t bother reading, major abuse and multiple SA right out of the gate
1. Mc is forced to marry dragon guy against his will by both the dragon and his family
2. Dragon guy altered his body against his will, basically making a vagina/womb that causes weird side effects
3. Dragon guy proceeds to ignore the MC when he says no and stop repeatedly and physically assaults him
4. Dragon casts weird magic linking on the MC to connect his hole to a sex toy so the dragon cab basically fuck him even if they’re not even in the same place
Dragon did not receive consent or agreement for any of this, and never gave any warning in advance, just did whatever he wanted. Anyone who enjoys this should do some cold reflection because it is all SA