This is a manga with LGBT theme for straights...
Would it have been for gays if they showed sex scenes????
You must be straight.
No, I am bi. Now tell me what you meant by lgbt themes for straight O_o? I am very confused by your statement. '--'
They show how being gay is "oh so difficult and painful" but when it's to actually show a happy relationship they cut it short. It's like being gay is kind of ok but people don't want to see anything that actually make them LGBT.
That makes like 10000000% sense.
Weird seeing people shipping Hime with Hamuro. It's pretty obvious she's a lesbian.
It’s not weird. Hime isnt really a lesbian tho. If you based it off on hime having feelings for akira then incorrect lmao. Since she likes her as a person not based on her gender.
Y’all know other sexualities exist, right?
Akira is a woman so it makes of her a lesbian.
I know. But a lesbian is a woman or NB person that ONLY likes other women or NB people. Hime never showed interest in men so that makes of her a lesbian. I don't know why people have the need to ship every lesbian with a man.
Yes
But she fell in love w her before finding that “he” was a she. So therefore, she’s pan
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Yeah, I also think she’s pan... but unless she says it we can’t really tell....
Nah she always kind of knew (felt?) Akira was a woman that's why she didn't get in conflict with her identity when Akira came out. It just made a lot of sense. There's even that talk between Hime and the other lesbian friend, basically the author hinting about her identity as a lesbian.
Yeah but did she say she likes her because she’s a woman? Or because she likes Akira exactly the way she is as a person?
LOL she was surprised when she found out. And there was also that scene where she was upset because she was in conflict with her emotions. But her friend help her realize that she’s pan. And didn’t like akira just because of her male body.
I completely support your point.
In chapter 40 akira asks if hime liked her before she told her she was a girl and hime said yes and that she liked akira as a person. it's page 7
Also another supporting point:
In ch 7 pg 6-7, akira says "I can't be anyone's boyfriend" and hime's internal thought bubbles/squares said "Those words made me feel both relieved and depressed". If she originally liked akira as a woman why would that make her depressed? I mean later on like in chapter 13 she realizes her love for akira wasn't because of her gender but there were times earlier where akira was drawn more "manly" and hime having "heart pounding moments" (sorry i don't know how to explain it haha;;), so i think one of the main reasons hime was conflicted about her feelings for akira until chapter 40 (but more so earlier on) when she confesses is that her loving akira meant she wanted or saw akira as a boy (or at least akira would interpret her feelings as so rather than loving her as a person). Of course there's also the fact that akira didn't like hime the same way but i didn't think that was the main reason hime was so conflicted. if hime kind of knew akira was a girl since before she came out and liked her because she's lesbian, wouldn't that have spurred her to confess earlier rather than feel conflicted? If she had been attracted to females from the start and her best friend, who she had feelings for but was "male" until coming out, wouldn't she have felt more confident in confessing? I won't deny hime may have had a feeling that akira wasn't a "normal boy" before coming out which is why she wasn't particularly surprised (although i wouldn't say completely unfazed as if she fully knew all along because there was a panel in ch 1 where hime was speechless) when akira came out but i don't believe that it's because she's a woman that hime fell in love with akira. It just wouldn't make sense why hime became conflicted with her feelings after learning akira was the same gender that she's attracted to when she has always loved akira ever since before her coming out (reread the first 2-3 pages of ch 1).
In regards to a comment OP said earlier on, hime showing no interest in men does not automatically make her lesbian. I'm not saying there's no way she could, but i personally also lean towards hime being pan because she said explicitly that she liked akira as a person regardless of her gender. That being said hime didn't explicitly say she was pan (compared to akira saying "I am a girl" so many times) so she may not be, however it would be a likely assumption that she is pan because she fell in love with the personality not gender. Unless the story shows hime falling in love with another person and how/why she fell in love (official twitter says there's only 3 more chapters after 47 so probably not, therefore we will never know for sure), her sexuality is all an assumption.
I also think yukka's sexuality is also only an assumption, as she only fell in love with one girl and she didn't say she liked girls in general, she just said she liked THAT girl, so we can't just assume she's lesbian. However the mean girls in the last few pages of 16 DID assume she was lesbian (because they said "does that mean she's been watching us up to now?") and we all know what they did was wrong right? Assuming someone's sexuality based on one incident without straight up facts and then claiming it as a fact is equivalent to what those girls did, despite it not meant to be harmful. It's not wrong to have assumptions and some assumptions may be more valid than others when presented with proof, but we all have to realize that they're all just assumptions unless the author explicitly says it's a fact.
hi, so it ended and she married hamuro and had a kid so shes def not a lesbian, she could still be maybe bi or straight or any sexulaity except lesbian :) ur theory DEBUNKED
indeed
Part of it is genetics. Half my family is made up of gays. My brother, 2 cousins, me (the lesbian) and I'm not sure about my father and other brother. The girl I'm seeing also has a gay brother. I had lesbian tendencies when I was a kid years before I'd know about my brother.
The way the brother puts Yohan liking Moogyeong as something bad irks me. It totally sounds like internalized homophobia. Sure they are going to suffer in the society but at least at home they should feel loved and accepted.
I like how Yohan is like me, maybe it's the second gay child syndrome. While the first one remains passive about it all, the second one pushes foward.
I wonder how much truth there is to that. My sister is asexual and I'm probably trans and gay. We suspect our mom is some sort of demisexual or whatever. I'm always wondering if other family members are sexual minorities in hiding. I'd like to see some proper studies on it. Though at the same time, I don't want homophobes to misuse that kind of information.
hard disagree
Maybe the genetics (nature) part is true but I think that families with multiple gay members also proves it's partly a social thing (nurture) too. Like, that because you are familiar with situations like that, your mind is more open for it and there is a bigger chance you won't restrict yourself when it comes to love, no? But I know that way of thinking is dangerous because if people believe that part of being gay is because of a state of mind, then people who claim it's 'curable' would have a point (if you believe in brainwashing, that is) and I obviously don't support that. So I guess it needs to have a biological dimension too then? But I still think a big part of it is a social/cultural thing because otherwise you wouldn't see 'clusters' of gay people in certain periods and places like with the artists groups during the fin du siècle or ancient greece were certain homosexual practices were the norm. Sorry, I'm just rambling here, please ignore this.
I'm not meaning any harm btw, I'm a lesbian myself and I've studied queer theory and history before
I disagree. You are giving really specific situations and they are always related to gay men.
I think it's easier to realise our own sexuality when we are LGB when we have relatives like that around us. We were like that from the beginning but relatives showing us that not going through the "straight way" is also an "option".
Even before knowing of my brother or cousins people would ship me with my male friends and I would get GROSSED while all the other girls were already thinking about kissing. The only person then I would really feel comfortable with was my only female friend, she was my moon and stars.
No, I gave two specific situations as an example, but the second one counted for women too. Just wanted to add that. There were a lot of LGBT women in late 19th century artistic circles. That's what my historic research was about at university.
That 'realising' is what I meant with the 'state of mind'. That it is 'in' you already (biologic side then probably, though I am more of a believer in nurture than in nature) but in specific situations (like when you have gay relatives), it helps you to realise what it means/ come to terms with it. So we were sort of saying the same thing. Because of this I believe that there are people in different cultures that might 'be' homosexual, but will never realise if they don't accidentally fall in love with a person from the same gender and even then they probably might not even realise it is love. I think this is éspecially the case with gay women and I think the reason why female homosexuality is more visible now (in the western world) is precisely because of more women realising that 'lesbianism' could be a thing in first place.
That's nurture/culture.
I'm not saying homosexuality didn't/doesn't exist in other places/periods, but it is a fact that (at least in the Western world) 'sexualities' as a concept have only been a 'thing' since the late 19th century. Before that, gay ácts could be criminalized, but not 'being' gay because people thought differently and the idea of sexualities was not known to them yet. So that doesn't mean people couldn't be gay, but they wouldn't realise they were 'gay' because 'gay' didn't exist yet as a group defining term. That's nurture/culture too. That's why I said that during certain periods of time there seem to be more homosexual people, because the cultural situation allows for them to be like that.
I'm rambling, sorry. I just find this a very interesting topic and it's one that sparks a lot of debate amongst sociologists and historians too.
Since I started playing the classical guitar I've been talking a lot about music to my mother (she was a classical guitar teacher before she married and gave everything up). She told me once that real musicians are either LGBT and/or married to music. We can see here why.
I think the blond guy isn't trying to have sex with these minors. Sunghee (I fucked his name right?) even tried "seducing" him to travel together which probably would have them having sex but he refused.
He probably feels lonely and wants to talk with minors to reminisce about when he was young. But at the end of the day he still feels lonely because he can't be understood completely by youngsters either. Psychlogically speaking he feels no one can understand him because he can't comprehend himself. He needs someone that will make him open.
He sends dick pics to middle schoolers and he attacked the black haired guy from the first story and only stopped when black haired guy hit him (he was also turned on by seeing him injured). Besides, he's into minors because he thinks of them as innocent. Once they turn into adults he has no interest in them anymore because he only tries to fulfill his sexual desires with them. Yes, he's lonely and he didn't rape or had sex with the MC but he probably didn't do it because he knows it's illegal and that he could end up in jail for it. That's why his friend always tries to stop him. Because having sex or sending dick pics to boys in middle or high school is a crime.
You can feel sorry for him but let's not make up excuses for the crimes he already committed or wants to commit just because he's pitiful.
Just in case you don't know. He said he was 18 but that's his Korean age so he's actually only 17. That's why his friend said that the MC only had a little bit of time left (in South Korea you're an adult once you turn 19) since the blonde guy has no interest in adults.
I didn't say that he doesn't have pedophilics (is this a word?) traits, I'm pretty sure that if he doesn't stop he's going to have sex with one of them someday. I'm just saying that right know his main goal doesn't seem like it's sex and by no means I think what he's doing is right (damn, my brother was raped when he was 7).
Still, I liked that you pointed out he doesn't have sex because he's afraid of going to jail. It's a good perspective.
It's not any random kid's responsibility to fix blondie's problems by being in a relationship with him, if we're taking his pedophilic "preference" as a mental issue. It's generally a bad idea to get into relationships based on fixing the other person and/or their problems anyways. If he was in any way serious about fixing his issues, the very least he could do is stay away from minors and seek professional help. He wouldn't be doing what he's been doing.
I never said the kid should date him. Also Korean people don't look for professional help cause it's taboo.
There seemed to be that implication with "He needs someone that will make him open" but if you didn't mean it that way then I stand corrected. I know that there's a lot of stigma surrounding mental health and therapy in S. Korea, and that there would be more if he went to address his pedophilia specifically. I just wanted to point out that relationships shouldn't be people's form of therapy or counseling. That's not fair to a partner. That's not to say a relationship can't help in some ways... but it won't help like that.
I think on page 8 the MC says he won't have sex if he's not the tachi (seme).
I like seeing translators are humans as well. I really love you translator <3
I hope next chapter the staff make all the pages in the chapter colored just to make you all angry lol
Actually I pity the person (people) that color it for you all to come and complain about it. Wasted talent and time on you guys.
You shouldn’t have roasted the kid like that, the troll is already too hurt
He’s gonna be so mad and say bs to you
But I do agree
It’s really pathetic to make a fool out of yourself because of some colored pages
Doesn’t he/she have homework rn?
Is internet an appropriate place for these kids
Gonna analyze...
So both of them are at wrong but the main people at fault are their parents.
Hayato and Yuki were negligenced and that's parental abuse. At an age where they should be protected, cared and loved they were left by themselves to struggle together and who knows what else more (since we don't the whole story about their fathers).
People that are abused usually have a need for control (and power) and this can come in various ways: from being passive (a victim) to being violent (an abuser).
When Yuki started having sexual desires for his brother he was indeed disgusted by it all but he was afraid he wouldn't be able to control himself. Actually by that time Hayato was in danger of being sexually harassed. If that happened Yuki was going to feel the first taste f being in control of another/the situation and he wouldn't be able to stop anymore. For him not to do that he went through another way that still was being abusive to Hayato, but in another way.
He was the third person to negligence Hayato and not only that, there was also psychological, emotional and physical violence.
Hayato even before the problems with his brother was already showing self-satisfaction for manipulating Yuki because it proved that Yuki (at least him) cared for him, so he liked having this control. Psychologically speaking the worse to Hayato related to his brother was being shunned out because this meant being rejected once again and that was something he couldn't deal. By then he started having thoughts that he was the cause of it all (probable low self-esteem), but since Yuki was still living with him he was able to repress his feelings. When it got unbearable since he realized after years the distance between them and how it was probably not going to change he became obsessed.
The last blow was when Hayato realized Yuki was sleeping around. It reminded him of his mother leaving them for her "important person", a man. What if Yuki found his important person and left him as well? Then he finally snapped and made sure to control Yuki in all the ways he could do.
So right now, Hayato is the abuser and Yuki is the abused but both of them feel protected/in control in this kind of relationship.
They should search for help because none of them are ok. I pity them.
Ewww the ending was horrible. The author only put it on a marriage between 2 girls because they knew some people would complain about this bullshit of the main character having a really normative relationship. Akira deserved so much better as well. At least give her a partner. I don't know what's worse this or ao no flag.
meant to dislike because I don’t agree with the points your making , I don’t think the author only put two girls getting married so people wouldn’t complain but no one but the author knows that and I do wish akira had more time and got a more happy ending instead of just a content one but if I’m remembering correctly (I haven’t read this in a while I only just read the updates now) Hime was bisexual so she doesn’t need to end up with a woman in the end she’s still bisexual wether it’s a ‘normative’ relationship or not and last time I checked Ao no Flag is marked as a Shoujo not shonen ai even if the Mc and his friend end up together( I presume that’s why you found Ao no a Flag bad but my presumption could be wrong please correct me if so) , also if what I’m saying doesn’t make sense I can re phrase it I’m pretty tired rn cuz it’s LATE LATE and I’m just have a little rant ,, but anyway I respect your opinion I just wanted to add my own too , have a wonderful day/evening / night (▰˘◡˘▰)
I will not get involved in discourse with you. But my problem with Ao no flag is because the lesbian character ends up with a guy and the author wasn't able to show the main characters together not even for a chapter. You don't need to answer to my post since you're a guy and has no idea how society (and media) puts stress about how a woman will only be happy if she's with a man. We have this here and we have it in Ao no Flag as well.
i read this to my sister (cuz u said i wouldn’t understand as i’m a man) and she says (btw she’s a lesbian) that with Ao no Flag she agrees that the lesbian shouldn’t have just ended up with s guy and that wasn’t really a good move but that in this manga it was clear that Hime was bi and it wasn’t the author being like “woman will only be happy with men” but just up to the individuals she liked and she happened to end up with the boy she liked over the girl that she had liked.She also said that the idea that media pressures Bi girls into ending up with men or saying women will only be happy with men doesn’t happen often anymore and she’s never experienced that or been exposed to it ,, i can see where you are coming from but i just don’t completely agree with you on all your points,good day (≧∀≦)