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Your compassion is admirable, but I feel it is displaced. Child abuse is much more than "selfish". Bottom line: she's the adult. When times get rough, it's her duty to protect her child.

OK, now she has her child gang raped while she is watching, while he screams for help and the men enjoy themselves. How can it be "normal",or forgivable . I give up, the thing is she should be sentenced for life, or at least karma should follow her. And NO, Momo had it worse. I can't believe at such comparisons.

Was she forced by her parents to be gang raped while she was a Child? Probably 6 years old? And not once, but daily . Can you picture such a scene and still think she is "human",while the child screams ......it's just horrid. Come on, she probably is a sociopath, they can be raped too. Even the author made it clear, no fake tears, just I hated him , he is trash, I used him for money, don't care what happens to him while I get married, I pretended to be a good mother at first. She calls him "that child" not her son. I never hated a character this much

I agree with you, guys. She's a psycho! She just watched and did nothing to protect poor Momo and she still finds a stupid excuse as "he's the child of a rapist" or "I didn't love him". F#ck you, monster!(▰˘◡˘▰) Even if she had a hard time, she still had to educate and protect her child.... And when you realise there are parents like this.... （￣へ￣）

I don't mean to defend what mama momo did to momo cuz it was wrong, but people have to understand that not everyone is ready for the responsibility of being a parent. Parents make terrible mistakes, even in real life.(raise your hand if you are a byproduct of bad to terrible parent/s (●'◡'●)ﾉ ) She just had a baby kinda forced on her while she was young and immature, not even having her own life together, so yeah she'll make some shitty decisions. So how can she be a good mom to momo when she barely knows how to be a good person? So when people say I hate her and whatnot, I understand, because IT WAS WRONG. But in the same token, understand the situation first. Isn't it kinda the same with rape victim who got pregnant? Should she love the baby even under the circumstances? It's still ultimately up to her. And before people get mad at me, again, SHE. WAS. WRONG but people do really wrong things in the first place.

I will give you an example from a psychiatric case. A man was abused and raped during his childhood, he ended up marrying a woman whom he abused and stabbed to death. The man went to trail and said he lost control and how much he loved her. It was fake since the man felt no empathy at all, he was sentenced to death while doctors agreed that his childhood triggered his behavior but that first of all, he was a psychopath. The same goes with momo's mother, despite what happened to her, in the end she was a sociopath not capable of guilt or sadness over the pain she caused.

You forget she was a child herself when she was, as we can take it from context clues of this chapter, raped. Her entire family abandoned her and even degraded her by saying it was all her fault. Like I said previously though, I'm not saying what she did was right-- but she was pretty broken before he was even born. Coming from a single parent household that has had more of our fair share of ordeals I can kinda see what sort of mental abuse Mama Momo went through. Now, did I say it was justified? No. She let her jealousy get the best of her. Her jealousy and rage at the child that was forced on her-- and the child of the man who completely destroyed her life. Do I think she wanted to reconcile even a little bit? Yes. It was obvious by her attempt at a final farewell before she left the country for good. Both were too stubborn to move an inch but yanno, like mother like son.

Hmmmm but you forget that she was raped herself. And I also never said it was justified what she did. I'm not sticking up for her, which is what you people are seeming to get from this. I was just stating that the whole situation between the two was heartbreaking. Do you honestly think she wanted those things to happen to her or her child? Do you honestly think she grew up as a small child praying for a life like that? She was raped, completely disowned by her family and when she had finally gotten it into her head that she wanted to raise Momo the best she could she found out that he was sleeping with all the guys she was dating. That broke her already fragile mind and pushed her past the point of no return. She was already pretty broken before he was born, being forced to have him and bear the consequences when it wasn't her fault. ONCE AGAIN. I AM NOT. STICKING UP. FOR HER. I'm just trying to get you guys to see that she isn't your stereotypical psychopath female figure like you guys are always so hungry to find in bl.

You forget the part where she said that she wanted to try and raise him normally. The burden on her mind was too much to bear and him going behind her back and having sex with the guys she was bringing home was the final thread. It's actually quite funny reading you guys' feedback-- even though I never stated I was sticking up for her.

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You can obviously tell she was feeling remorseful. She wanted the cheap plastic toy ring Momo gave to her back but she tried to play it off. Harada is good at these head games. You gotta pay attention to detail. //patpat

You guys keep forgetting the part where Momo was already having sex for money behind Mama Momo's baaaaaaaack. Yeah, she probably shouldn't have brought guys around and had sex with them with Momo around but he had already started doing those things before she abandoned him.

She was a rape victim. She calls the man that impregnated her a "criminal" so we can only guess that's what she meant by it. And I don't know where everyone is getting this idea that I'm saying I like Mama Momo or that I'm defending her. All I said was that they both had it rough and that what she is doing presently is a common practice. I don't appreciate people automatically assuming that I'm sticking up for what she did. It's more like I'm trying to explain that she wasn't really sound in mind when the past events took place. Her whole world was literally destroyed because of one guy. No one stood by her side. Her family left her to take care of the child by herself despite her being a child as well. She wanted to do right despite the hate she felt towards the man. She tried so hard to look past it but couldn't. She made poor decisions by bringing men around Momo and letting him find out about prostitution. Hell, she probably had no choice but to do her job at home seeing as she had no financial backing other than the men she was roping in so it probably couldn't be really avoided. And it's not like she coulda gotten a better job. She was forced to drop out of school to take care of Momo and her family left her. Anyways, when she found out that Momo had been having sex for money with her men that's what broke her. She saw herself in Momo and couldn't take it. Seeing both her broken self and the man that raped her in one child was too much for her to take.

Once again, I'm not defending her but I'm also not going to "hate her guts for being so horrible" either without first paying attention to detail.

She could have easily just left the country and no one would've found out about Momo. But she didn't. She wanted to at least say farewell and wanted to see if Momo had the ring he had given to her when he was little. The look on her face and the final line of the chapter are pretty evident that they were both just being stubborn 'cause they had left so much bad blood between the two of them that they just--well-- were too stubborn to apologize. I don't think Momo fully blames her for everything and Mama Momo knows that what she did was wrong. THEY ARE BOTH JUST SO DAMN STUBBORN THAT IT HURTS.

First of all, he didn't have sex... It was a blow job, while she forced him to go all the way. Second of all she admitted she only pretended to love him, third of all if a bf touches your kid you kill the bastard, fourth of all at the start of this manga momo admitted of not knowing that what he did was dirty. Cuz in the end he was an innocent child. Now, I believe Harada isn't protecting the mother at all. She showed us she was raped and what a good mom she was at first and we thought maybe she has regrets, what she did next? She showed us that she only pretended of being a good mother, that she is happy now, that momo was in her way of having a bf, that she doesn't call him her "son" but that child . Harada dehumanized her, not tears, no guilt, nothing at all. I will give you the same example, in a psychiatric case the man was abused and raped during his childhood. He ended up marrying a woman whom he abused and killed. During the trial the man said he lost control and that he always loved her, it was revealed the man felt no sign of guilt nor love. He was sentenced to death while the doctors agreed that his childhood might have triggered such behavior but that first of all, he was a psychopath. Momo's mother showed no sing of pain, nor regret, when she met Momo she accused him of being her cause of problems, a child nborn from hate, she said those things to a child she abused . Like in the psychiatric case, despite what happened to her, she is first of all a sick person, prpbably a sociopath with narcissist undertones

Bad blood? She's a criminal who abused and sold her own son. He was a child. This was child abuse. She needs to be held legally, morally, and criminally accountable.

So the unrepentant child abuser who sold her own son to rapists so she wouldn't have to get a real job didn't leave the country without wanting pity and emotional validation from the son she abused and then abandoned without a way to support himself? The child abuser has no right to be stubborn. She should be on her knees and in a prison. She is a hardened criminal, no matter how she got to be that way, and she is toxic.

Momo isn't being stubborn at all. He's not doing enough to protect himself, and Yata should be telling the bitch to go to hell. What hurts is that people who are supposed to care about Momo now aren't standing up for him and making her go the hell away.

He was a child. Six years old---six! No six year old understands those kinds of things. If the child abuser put him around people who would do things like that to him, it's on her. I'm sorry she was raped at 16 (almost an adult) and I'm sorry about her family--but none of that lessens her responsibility for her own criminal and immoral acts, or makes the crap she's trying to pull now okay.

Oh how I wish I could just mass quote you all right now;

Lemme put you in her shoes at the age of 16. Let's make you all go through the same thing she had to go through. You've got a greater chance of going insane and killing yourself than you do of coming out normal. We are forgetting the mental and emotional strain Japanese students have on themselves, especially around the age of 16, and then the whole "you can't dishonor your family" thing. She was basically torn to pieces, no shred of humanity left, by the time Momo was born. Yes, she saw Momo as a child born of hate but who could truly blame her? Most rape victims get abortions or even do at home "remedies" to get rid of the child. But she tried. Even though she was forced, she /tried./ Despite all the hate inside of her, she-- /tried./

Now, am I saying what she did to him AFTER finding out he had been sucking dick for money from her clients was right? No. I do believe some sort of action should've been taken or at least let Momo deck you in the face one good time. But I can't say that she did all of this with a sound mind. Nor do I believe she was born that way. It never says that she was mental to begin with and she even says that she didn't expect anyone to believe her 'cause that was obviously the way her peers and family were from the get go. For all we could know she grew up in a shitty home life as well and Momo was just doomed to follow that same course. BUT WE DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE ALL WE HEARD WAS FROM HIS CHILDHOOD ON.

I understand what you mean about being in her shoes, and it doesn't change anything. She should still be held fully accountable for her actions. If there is more that explains how she got to be a criminal, that wouldn't change anything either. She says she tried, but actions speak louder than words. If she couldn't handle it,she should have given him up for adoption or left him to foster parents because anything is better than the abuse she gave and innocent child.

Here is a point to consider: Momo grew up with only her--and we know she abused him and then abandoned him. Did Momo choose to take it out on others (as she did)? No. Momo sacrificed his home and lifestyle for a woman who was going to have a baby with his owner. Momo tries to make Yata happy and not sponge off him. Momo tries to get a job and do the right thing, even when people from his past don't want to let him succeed in even the simplest thing.

So, if Momo can be such a good person despite all the abuse he suffered from an unrepresented criminal,why couldn't the child abuser manage better than she did? Yes, she was dealt a shitty hand--but then she had a choice--and she chose criminal actions against her own small son. there are a million other things she could have done, but she chose to do that, and she still hasn't taken responsibility for it.

As I said before, I understand it was hard and she was in a bad place--but then she mad choices that were criminal, immoral, and demand consequences. Once she takes it out on a child, her problems, and her emotions no longer matter at all. She's crossed the line and needs to pay for it.

exactly what my heart was screaming

Actually, my friend killed her child after he was born and then killed herself. It was on news for a week. And after that our government made steps to avoid this kind of thing happen in next time. Oh! For your information, my friend was raped by 10 drunk men when she walked home from school. They tied her and raped her till night and tossed her in the street after 3 days. A truck driver found her screamed for help anf help her.

That's why i agreed with you. She was sick.. and actually need help.

That's horrible--I am so sorry you and her family had to go through that. But I can see what she did as the result of severe depression nd a possible psychotic break. I am sorry she didn't get help.

A person who waits six years and then makes a choice to systematically and repeatedly abuse a child is different. I am not saying she could not use help--but she knew what she was doing and she made her choices. It wasn't a one-time act of extreme desperation--it was a way to make money. That may mean she is a psychopath or has some sort of borderline personality disorder or something, but it isn't the type of extreme depressive episode that makes it impossible to tell right from wrong.

Yep that's very horrible dude.. even i told her, me and my mom is willing to help to take care of her child. But she kept having this horrible nightmare every night and screamed every single days. Her family took her to psychiatric. They gave her medicines. And everytime she gone berserk or tried to hurt herself, the must tied her and injected medicine so she will sleep that instant. But that day, they were careless.. because she can't gave birth in a hospital due to some adminiatration problems (she isn't married but have to give birth. Some hospital don't want to help ) so she gave birth at home. After one day, when everyone is sleeping, she stabbed her child , 7 holes with scissora. And then she killed her self.

And about momo's mom... whtever i remember how we found the baby's body, i can help but to hate her. I still cry everytime i red this story, nd yet i thought : "thanks God momo is still alive... "

I am so sorry for everyone involved. And what kind of Hippocratic oath did those doctors take that they wouldn't give medical care because of some victim blaming bigotry? That is a very sad case.

Here, lots cases when a mother left their childs in hospital after gave birth are often happens. Mostly they don't have husbands. That's why mostly hospitals don't want to take care that kind of patients.

For what it's worth, OP, I totally agree with you. While it's easy to cast judgement on the mother, what I like about Harada's work is how it details how complicated relationships can be, especially between broken and deeply flawed people. Momo is well within his right to hate his mother, but he obviously still loves her and wants her to love him back. She still has some affection for her son as well, but as a rape victim and teen mother, she was not, and will probably never be, emotionally equipped to love her son justly. Both of them have very tragic histories, but if they are ever going to get past those histories and save themselves from being tragic people, they'll have to make peace with the past.

No one would blame Momo for hating his mother for the rest of his life, but such hatred will shackle him to the past and he will never recover from it. If he's going to be happy in the future he will have to let go of the past and forgive his mother.

Let's say we're all Momo. If we, as a 6 yo, were abused and our mommy didn't notice our pain, I think we'd approach an offensive behavior to distance ourselves from mommy(the one we trusted). We didn't do anything behind mommy's back because we aren't a ploting child with amazing inteligence, we are a child who acts on instinct (and we want money because mommy is strugling to have them). We can't blame Momo for what happened 'cause he didn't know better as a 6yo. But his mother was 22 and, as an adult, it was her responsability to show what's good and bad to Momo. Well, it's understandable she had some mental issues after the rape, but she could've left Momo in an orfanage. Mama Momo didn't do that and that's why I think SHE WANTED to abuse Momo(maybe because he was the son of her rapist). (●￣(ｴ)￣●)

Such a tragedy, I don't know what to say about the mother.... She clearly needed help, but that child was innocent, yet I can't imagine someone killing a newborn baby. It's too much, it's a tragedy, and she clearly needed psychiatric help.

About Momo's mother, she is nothing more than a sociopath who got triggered. Nothing more and nothing else.
Kenneth Taylor (if I'm not confusing him with someone else, anyway the case was similar) suffered abuse and was raped during his childhood . He ended up marrying a woman whom he abused and killed. During the trial he said he had lost control, he loved her and oh, how they couldn't understand what he had been through all his life. The problem was that he felt no remorse, no empathy towards the victim, it was him, him, him. He was sentenced to death, and doctors agreed that his childhood triggered him, but first of all he was a psychopath . Actually many killers come from and abusive childhood, yet they still remain sociopaths or psychopaths who lost control, and maybe their abuse played a role in what they did. There has been a research in prison, and it was noticed how psychopaths, after being charged with rape and other crimes, would get out of prison sooner because they acted well and faked remorse. Also many rapists come from abusive backgrounds, yet they are nothing more than sick people who got triggered.
So yeah, to me, momo's mother is nothing else but a criminal. You guys remind me of charles manson, I watched a video of him where he said to the judge that it wasn't him who killed those people, it was society ahahaha. Useless to say, he is just a psycho.

Agree. Just a quote " Unlike psychotic individuals,psychopaths are rational and aware of what they are doing and why. Their behavior is the result of choice, freely exercised" it perfectly fits the woman, perfectly aware of what was happening, of the damage and it was her free choice to damage the child.

Since when do you have to know how to be a good person to not sell your small six year old boy to be raped by multiple grown men for money? There is literally no blurred line. Also I think that you should understand that Harada is not trying to get you to sympathize with the mom. Harada is completely 100% trying to show her as a criminal and abusive mother who does not take responsibility for herself. Harada is not trying to condone what the mom did, Harada is writing a very bad person and trying to make it clear that you cant sympathize with the choices she made despite what happened to her. You are missing the author's point.

Totally agree,Harada wants Momo to be completely free from any doubt about his mother,no "what if she loved me". But it's pointless, they go on and on with the same logic ╮(￣▽￣)╭

YES. THIS. HOLY MOTHER OF-- THANK YOU.

I'm not very good with words so it was hard for me to explain this point correctly. I was never defending nor judging either of the characters. I was just stating that the both of them had it rough and later on went on to explain in several other posts that it made it difficult for them to be able to truly reconcile. Mama Momo is obviously living trauma as well as Momo. They are both still struggling with their demons that they caused for each other--intentional or not. Mama Momo never grew up with intentions to do that to her own child and Momo never wanted to be born out of rape and hate and then cause his mother any grief whether intentional or not. There's so much sadness in their relationship that it's heart breaking. And that's what Harada is so good at. They know how to take those heart strings and personal morals and pretty much tear them to shreds. Harada knows how to make us question ourselves.

This honestly reminded me of that oneshot that was uploaded here recently that basically sent this big message about female characters in bl/yaoi works. They suffer to make our love stories come true. 90% of the time they are made out to be the bad guys so we don't see their suffering. Now, like I said before, I don't think her actions were justified towards tiny Momo but we can't look past the pain she went through either.

Also, if someone could please point out where it states that Momo was 6 when he was gang banged that would be great. I am not seeing this evidence of Momo being that young. All it ever said was that he surely was young and pretty but that's about it. For all we know he coulda been 13 with that baby face of his since it would fit the time gap of them not speaking for like 10 or more years. And with being raised by his unstable mother his mental maturity could've also been younger than that of his actual age. Just a little side note here.