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Slow clap for you dear. Seriously, I'm done with kids defending another kid. Smh.

Also the author knew fully well that any work she put out there, whether it’d be art, story, or even a tweet or picture, people will critique. It’d be stupid and really naive of her not expect this, and honestly? If she is this sensitive to criticism, calling it ‘bullying’, I wouldn’t want to be around such a sensitive person at all.

Agree 100%!! It's FICTION!!!
People need to understand what that means. Just read it and not bring real life matters into this.

I felt attacked about the Killing and Stalking one. I only finished season 1 and then I was like "FREEDOM" but oh my god, out of all the things I've read, Killing Stalking is literally the one thing that I don't think I'll ever forget.

Don't bother sweetie. There is always someone who will let you know they doesn't support rape and you're the devil for supporting it in a story coming from the mind of a human being like them. In a story driven by rape, like it or not makes you a rapist, expose a breakdown of the rapist makes you a rapist supporter and make a point about the flaw you find in the victim you're a supporter of victim blaming. Either way, you're fucked up, YOU ARE AN EVIL SUPPORTER, even when you despise such acts irl. I'm so tired of it but from time to time I go along with them when I'm bored...
I think that for a Mortal Kombat player like me, I need to go out, tear someone's ribcage and smack them with it...

Ah, well, I always feel obligated to try. Not to come up with a new response, since I just copy paste what I wrote here and it’s just so much work explaining everything over and over again, but you know. To defend all those who might feel guilty engaging with touchy manga, and encourage people to recognize the difference between fiction and reality.

And if I can help someone get their head out of their ass, then all the better

Killing Stalking is a masterpiece and it’s also goddamn horrifying. I love it but I don’t think I can read it twice

i agree but i think it's kinda hard for him to have character growth in that kind of environment. it's like new day new trauma for him.

I totally agree

That’s my point. This story is just a march of traumas for Nakyum, but he learns nothing from each experience. There’s no growth, he doesn’t adapt, there’s not even a reflection on what he’s been through. There’s nothing to say that’s he’s overcome, and grown as a person. Even if there were new traumas (which is to my point about how this manga is so repetitive with the same trauma except tweaked a little), Nakyum should still be able to use what he learned from his experience and adapt.

The most valuable trait of all animals is to adapt, because otherwise they would die. And Nakyum ain’t adapting.

it’s hard to mentally grow when you’re getting raped and kidnapped

I totally agree

He’s forever going to be raped and kidnapped if he doesn’t change his situation. Again, my point: Nakyum is acted upon by various characters, and he doesn’t actually do anything to change his situation or even reflect and think on his situation. He doesn’t even actively need to do anything for the bare minimum of character growth, he just needs to think about what’s happening to him or even why it’s happening to him. There’s no difference when one trauma happens to him or another, he reacts the exact same way, which is to just take it.

There’s no growth in character, minimal and repetitive plot, and quite frankly, it’s getting boring.

I don’t think you understand that beyond Nakyum as a character, he’s a character in a book we’re reading. And we as readers are fucking bored of the same shit. Does this happen in real life, where people are stuck in horrible positions and don’t grow for years, if ever? Obviously. But this is a story, and it needs to be moving. Otherwise, and rightfully so, people will be upset and frustrated and BORED.

I couldn't agree more. Nakyum has everything to be the dominant uke of the story. But we have to take into account that he had a fighting spirit. His fighting spirit was broken by In-hun calling him a prostitute.

Even if we as readers or Seungho always knew who he was, Inhun was a role model for Nakyum, he loved him and aspired to cheer him whenever he could. Before that he was fighting against Seungho, standing for himself, hated Seungho's behaviour even when he was afraid. The first time his mind was broken was because of Inhun. The second time was because of masked No name. I don't count Seungho and his lord bitches because he is just a means to an end for Nakyum.

I will give him some time to regain his senses. The author has to make it happen otherwise I will have to go with what you're saying.

I’d agree with you, but I’m still supremely frustrated how Nakyum is continually bending over and being a doormat.

Per my most recent comment, this is a story we are consuming for entertaining. Do people in real life stay for years in maladaptive environments and never grow? Obviously yes. But this is a STORY. Is Nakyum not a real life person but something we are consuming for entertainment? YES. So we expect character growth, and we expect plot progression, we we expect that both will come in a timely manner, or readers will be rightfully frustrated and angry and bored. Is this author accomplishing the goals of growth and plot? From all the comments, I’d say that’s an emphatic no.

So you want nk to grow but what about his rapist? Like this sounds really like victim blaming and it's disgusting. You expect the person being abused to grow? And do what? Survive where? He has nothing. Nobody. Sk is abusing his power to rape him and nobody cares. Make him grow to nut be a rapist. I don't understand y'all and y'all always protecting these trash ass rapists

Why there is always the need for someone to bring the term "victim blaming" when we are discussing about a character flaw??? I'm facepalming so much I could gouge out my eyes right now.... Do you see someone "victim blaming" anyone here? It's always mind-boggling to read a short-sighted reaction like the one you're making right now...

Omg. You really do like to make a mountain outta a molehill don’t you? Quit assuming, because that makes an ass outta you. I’m not fucking defending rape and rapists, and I can’t believe I have to state this, but I goddamn do not support rape. As a fucking woman living in this world who fears even going outside when it’s dark, who has to carry pepper spray everywhere, you don’t need to fucking impress upon me that rape is bad. I fucking know it, because I fucking live in that reality.

I’m not saying that Seungho is blameless. I even explicitly mention that he inflicts trauma on Nakyum constantly, and he’s a large part of why Nakyum is in a shitty situation. Does he desperately need character growth, if not complete abandonment of his character? Obviously. No one’s goddamn saying that he’s perfect. If you even analyzed my argument, the core is that I am pissed about how this story is going. No one’s doing anything except fucking, there’s barely any plot, and there’s barely/no character growth.

And honestly, you should get off this site and stay off it if you’re gonna get this goddamn defensive about rape. This site holds many unpleasant surprises for you

Preach sis

I've read your recent comment and I agree. We only differ in the timing of the events. I would have been more entertained if the abduction lasted a bit longer instead of being used as a cheap plot device to hinder the characters growth. But given the recent chapters that are a bit predictable, I will shut my reasoning for my entertainment now. It was good to know your point of view about the story.
I find those kind of discussion enjoyable. If it wasn't for the one up there in a competition for the next miss "victim blaming", that would have been really peaceful.

Yeah, I really enjoyed our discussion too! It made me realize that my frustration with the chapter wasn’t because of Nakyum per say, but with the direction and pace the story is going. And honestly, these rape comments pop up on almost every yaoi. I even have a canned response I give them. They just don’t bring anything to the conversation on that specific manga, besides ‘rape is wrong’ which I think we can all agree with.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. After all the shit he goes through, Nakyum doesn't lash out. The plot doesn't move. After Jung inhun was out of the scene, the plot really started to become slow and now completely stagnant. Was this sex/rape scene necessary at this point of story? If you assume someone is rejecting your romantic advances, do you have sex them and cling to them more? A normal person will try to distance himself if ever rejected this badly. Only a psycho will do the clingy/ rapey shit. Author is turning Seungho into a psycho. I understand that he had a troubled life but he still is the main lead. He reacting in this petty manner doesn't make him any different than a street thug. Why Nakyum would choose him over anyone else? What quality Seungho has that is so special?!

Highy agreed

YES PERIODT!! omg im so frustrated with nakyum bc he static as hell. like siz nakyum it's been 63 chaps just leave seungho's ass already. or idk, grow some balls lmaoo.

Lol, nice to see someone else who isn’t obsessed with just the sex scenes. I swear, some readers are like ‘they’re just two naked bodies’ and don’t care about plot progression or character growth or good conclusions/endings to stories. This plot is frustrating as hell because there almost isn’t any plot, because 70-90% of the chapters are devoted to sex scenes

This story is actu aslly on a crossroad right now. Will we finally see the char a cters grow, or will it continue to go like this.
Something tells me the author is doung this on purpose; upset us, and then come with something mind blowing.

Ugh sorry for bad spelling, I type faster than my phone can keep up XD

Omg this im like so is he going to spend his life like this ! People get mad at Seungho but Nakyum makes me really like bruh why do you keep letting people walk all over you. I can't like I said I love all the characters in this story but I can't with the timidly way he acts. Maybe it stems from my reality I do not know how to handle extra weak and timid people and it makes me mad ! Like stand up for yourself.

jinhwan (the dude who had hired someone to murder namkyun) had told him that if he told anyone what happened, he would make sure to kill namkyun. obviously namkyun just suffered through a v traumatic experience, he’s not going to think straight, especially after a death threat from his kidnapper :/

From a plot perspective:
This is getting repetitive. Nakyum suffers, sex happens, some relationship progress happens, only for it all to be reversed and you repeat the cycle again. There’s no satisfying end, no break to the rollercoaster, and if you couldn’t tell from the amount of readers complaining, they’re getting sick and tired of the same thing happening over and over again.

From inside the story perspective: Seungho can’t protect Nakyum? He’s one of the powerfulest people in the place, and he literally owns Nakyum. I’m frustrated because instead of responding or thinking over his actions, Nakyum is just always goddamn reacting. He’s not growing as a character from all this abuse, he’s just a shriveled up flower that just takes everything. It’s frustrating when you expect a character to grow from their trauma (Nakyum being sold as basically a sex slave as a favor for his old lover, Nakyum being raped multiple times, Nakyum being degraded and humiliated for basically the entire story) but instead he’s still the same old static character that’s ‘beautiful but weak and naive’.

Maybe I’m expecting too much from this story.

Lol I felt that last part to my core I wonder how the author will turn this story around or is she just going to let him stay "beautiful but weak and naive"?

i completely understand your frustration, but i’m also wondering what you expected from a story like this?

as you said, seungho owns namkyun. as you also mentioned, he is very powerful. there is a very skewed power balance between the two of them. seungho does not see namkyun as a person, he sees him as property, and because of his status, because of his physical strength, because of his wealth, he is pretty much able to do whatever he wants with namkyun, leaving namkyun unable to resist. that’s just how things are. it’s unrealistic to expect namkyun to know what to do in his situation. there are abuse victims in this day and age who never get out of their abusive relationship because they just don’t know how, and some are brainwashed to feel like escape is something entirely impossible. namkyun doesn’t feel like he can escape. he walks on eggshells. his continuous traumatic experience are teaching him to do nothing, because in the past when he has actually done something, he’s suffered greatly. it’s just not worth it to him.

also, in regards to seungho being able to protect him; the fact that namkyun was so easily kidnapped in the first place shows that he cannot. try putting yourself in namkyun’s position. he was kidnapped. two people attempted to murder him. the only reason he wasn’t murdered was not because they couldn’t kill him, but because they didn’t WANT to. he was let go, but under the threat that if he told anyone he would be killed. he was already kidnapped, and the only reason he wasn’t murdered was purely because jinhwan changed his mind in that moment, i imagine he’s thinking that there is absolutely nothing stopping him from actually following it out in the future. jinhwan already risked a lot by carrying out his plan to begin with, he really doesn’t have anything to lose by trying once again. he also has means to make sure that namkyun’s murder would never be traced back to him. it’s really not as simple as namkyun just refuses to speak, and that seungho could easily protect him.

this is a fucked up story. the characters are fucked, the plot is fucked.. everything is fucked. if you’re looking for a story where the underdog who was abused prevails and somehow comes out on top, you’re not gonna get that here. it’s just not realistic, especially for the time period.

I don’t think people understand this but. This is a fucking story, which means that we expect character growth and plot progression, and expect it in a timely manner. Otherwise people will rightfully be bored and frustrated and angry.

Do people in real life stay stuck in horrible situations and not learn from their experiences for years or if ever? Obviously yes. But that’s not the point. The point is that this is a STORY and we expect some progression in the story after goddamn 63 long chapters. We’re reading the same sex scene with slight variations in trauma over and over again, with minimal plot but maximal sex.

Nakyum is static as a character, forever the weak and naive beauty, never learning from his traumas or experiences or mistakes and forever being silenced or taken advantaged of. Does this happen in real life? Yes. Is Nakyum not a real life character but something we are consuming for entertainment? YES. So we expect growth and we expect plot and we expect it not to take forever and a year for both these things to happen.

People have the right it be pissed at this story.

(I appreciate your answer and the fact that you defended yourself. But it still doesn’t get to the core of why this chapter was so deeply unsatisfying)

Again, I completely understand your frustration. I was pissed reading this chapter as well. Things are not going at all how I had wanted, but I’ve come to accept that this is probably how things are going to be for awhile.

I understand that Namkyun is a character, and that readers are going to want him to grow throughout the story. I think that how Namkyun has acted is perfectly understandable, I think it’s realistic. That doesn’t mean it’s not irritating. I think the author is really going for a slow burn type story. I think I read somewhere that she likes seeing him suffer. I genuinely don’t see you getting the change you want anytime soon. At the moment, there really isn’t much Namkyun can do. Imo, how the story goes from here on out & how Namkyun grows as a character is going to rely heavily on Seungho & the side characters actions/thoughts. Hopefully in the next chapter Mr.Kim does something, because as things are now, Seungho is just going to stay the rage filled, emotionally constipated man that he is, and Namkyun is going to stay in this endless loop of abuse ://

I really do understand your frustration, reading the last few chapters has left me very upset & angry, but I’ve accepted the fact that this is just how the author intends for things to be. Accepted, but definitely not happy.

Thank you for understanding mate.
My head was spinning a while ago.

Just ignore them. Life is full of assholes, if you give them undue attention they’ll just be worse. Just ignore them, learn from your mistakes, and move on. You did the best you could and tried to fix your mistake and that’s admirable. This particular asshole just thrives off attention and being a ‘holier than thou’. Don’t respond any more to their messages.

Yeah
I'm planning on doing that

Thank you for uploading! Ignore the hypocrisy in the comments... I personally couldn’t be happier!! So, again thanks and it was appreciated! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Sunbae is so smitten already ●///////●

U r right