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mingixx2 August 31, 2023 1:01 pm

maybe its because im not into BL so im not desensitized to sexual crimes but this dudes introduction was that his character basically raped the bottom when he couldnt pay rent... and now theyre meant to be in a relationship...? no matter what happens whoever takes over the tops body or what if something like that happened theres complex trauma and a power dynamic involved it is not ethical or safe for them to be in a relationship... there needs to be THERAPY... i just feel so uncomfy with them brushing past that?????

    mei August 31, 2023 1:03 pm

    Yeah, i get what u mean like he is just nice to you now you like him.

    mingixx2 August 31, 2023 1:17 pm
    Yeah, i get what u mean like he is just nice to you now you like him. mei

    this^^ and like i think in chapter 4 or 5 the bottom is literally scared he will be asked to use his body as payment again... and the top LAUGHS???? hes literally SCARED dude?? if anyone here cant see how forcing someone into a corner and making them use their body as payment isnt rape you need to reassess your morals

    kulay rosas August 31, 2023 2:52 pm
    this^^ and like i think in chapter 4 or 5 the bottom is literally scared he will be asked to use his body as payment again... and the top LAUGHS???? hes literally SCARED dude?? if anyone here cant see how forci... mingixx2

    I mean sometimes people laugh I’m certain situations where people usually don’t smile widely when someone is crying and I try to hold back that but it’s hard to do that when you’re smiling widely. Although I do that because it’s awkward and I do feel bad for them, but not knowing what to do.

    —- August 31, 2023 4:59 pm

    I think you misread. The side top i.e. original Jaewoo never laid actual hands on Hyeonjin, but would taunt him to pay his late rent by using his body (which is still very bad). This ends up in Mujin killing the original top for constantly tormenting Hyeonjin like this. But to be very clear original Jaewoo never raped Hyeonjin, his crimes were eyeing him in a predatory way and taunting him to pay his rent using his body.

    Anyway I think you should revise your expectations a little, this is meant to be a meta BL manhwa that addresses BL tropes. I mean reincarnated Jaewoo even gets strangled Mujin and he still dumbly helps Mujin.

    mingixx2 August 31, 2023 7:25 pm
    I think you misread. The side top i.e. original Jaewoo never laid actual hands on Hyeonjin, but would taunt him to pay his late rent by using his body (which is still very bad). This ends up in Mujin killing th... —-

    its still a sexual crime. that is sexual harassment. "even demanding he pay with his body" ch 1 "those disgusting eyes that he undresses me with" ch 2 and ch 4 him literally laughing as the bottom is crying and upset because " can only come up with the cutest insults ever" followed by cat ears and just absolutely disregarding his fears. along with this, the CONSTANTLY bringing up "will you ask for my body". I can definitely see the possibility that i misunderstood youre right however it still makes me uncomfortable as its not that much better if the bottom never gave in... theres STILL the power dynamic, the sexual harassment and the brushing past issues. i know BL are usually like this dont get me wrong, thats why i said its probably because im not desensitized to weird stories like this but i want to be able to speak my mind because i dont like the glorifying or causality of the abusive dynamic oh wait new guy nvm forget it all it never happened <3 i apologise but i just do not feel comfortable with stories like these. i can say though i may have misinterpreted the sexual harassment however it IS still sexual harassment.

    mingixx2 August 31, 2023 7:27 pm
    I mean sometimes people laugh I’m certain situations where people usually don’t smile widely when someone is crying and I try to hold back that but it’s hard to do that when you’re smiling widely. Altho... kulay rosas

    hi, this is definitely not the case! he laughs at him because he thinks "hes too cute and innocent" for the insults hes saying and the words hes expressing. i would be fine if that was the case.

    mingixx2 August 31, 2023 7:29 pm
    I think you misread. The side top i.e. original Jaewoo never laid actual hands on Hyeonjin, but would taunt him to pay his late rent by using his body (which is still very bad). This ends up in Mujin killing th... —-

    anyway im not trying to come at anyone its just how I personally feel as someone who isnt use to seeing sexual harassment or abusive relationships in manga. i do know its common in BL but i personally believe thats an issue. its also seen in hetero straight manga as well and just like with this one, i word my concerns with them.

    mingixx2 August 31, 2023 7:31 pm
    I think you misread. The side top i.e. original Jaewoo never laid actual hands on Hyeonjin, but would taunt him to pay his late rent by using his body (which is still very bad). This ends up in Mujin killing th... —-

    sorry not crying*** i began typing a different sentence and forgot to delete that. however he was visibly upset

    —- September 1, 2023 11:18 am

    Hey I don’t have time to read all that but if you read my comment I made it clear that Jaewoo was still in the wrong, I’m just clarifying so no misinfo about what Jaewoo’s crimes are spreads

    —- September 1, 2023 11:45 am

    Meaning I agree with you

    mingixx2 September 2, 2023 10:08 pm
    Hey I don’t have time to read all that but if you read my comment I made it clear that Jaewoo was still in the wrong, I’m just clarifying so no misinfo about what Jaewoo’s crimes are spreads —-

    Yeah i know all good! Sorry if it sounded like i was attacking you im just very passionate about the topic loll TLDR for the long comment; sexual assault is still a crime and nothing changes.

    Toffnokk September 3, 2023 10:09 pm

    When I read you complaints, I wondered if I had missed something when I read it the first time. So I read it again, and I still don't understand what your mean with your comment.

    First, the current Jaewoo hates that he became the lousy sidetop. He mentions that all the time. He wants to help Hyeonjin in anyway he can, because he genuinely feel bad for him. That's why he makes all the food, try to take care of all the housework, wants to pay of the debt. He even agrees to work for Mujin, even though he really doesn't want to have anything to do with the guy that is supposed to kill him. He's a great guy. He doesn't do anything to hurt Hyeonji.

    So I don't understand what you have against the current Jaewoon, he hasn't done anything wrong.

    Chuuya September 3, 2023 11:32 pm
    When I read you complaints, I wondered if I had missed something when I read it the first time. So I read it again, and I still don't understand what your mean with your comment. First, the current Jaewoo hates... Toffnokk

    THIS- idk why are they blaming the current jaewon - my boy has not once laid a hand on him.

    kulay rosas September 5, 2023 1:39 am
    hi, this is definitely not the case! he laughs at him because he thinks "hes too cute and innocent" for the insults hes saying and the words hes expressing. i would be fine if that was the case. mingixx2

    I see. Well then that’s just awful, and I’m disappointed in the mc.

    Toffnokk September 5, 2023 3:11 pm
    I see. Well then that’s just awful, and I’m disappointed in the mc. kulay rosas

    I don't think he giggles at him because he means anything bad about it, he just think Hyeonjin is cute. He doesn't mean anything bad about it. It wasn't this Jaewoon that harassed Hyeonjin.

    Jaewoon is nothing but nice to Hyeonjin throughout the story. A really great guy.

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