Fuck.
Normally I don't swear in much manga's but the in og before the chapter was out out i couldn't tell what was happening, now that I know it kinda makes things worse.
I still decided to read the raws- although thou, I just wanted to do a mini rant.
The seme is a lil bit yandere? Like each action, threatening to kill the one his endebt to or at least crazy?
It really brothers me what the seme did, Normally
i don't mind but maybe rn I'm just mad but just even knowing the situation, it still bugged me. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
I mean I understand why but that kind of stuff bites you in the ass in the end.
Wait he didnt lie tho? He rlly didnt remember until he told him. Or was that not what was being said?
So it adds up, i did like them as a couple though, i never give up on them being together plus it's hard to clear your head in korea when everyone says "gross gays" "no-talent" ect. I mean could you?
Idk where to find them so, and where to look.
Found them, kinda tired so.. Sorry for the useless comment.
where u find them
On mangarock
Thank's~~~
I feel like people are being way to hard on siwon (a fictional character) if you were in his situation would you really react better? I mean I don't think so considering the type of people who read manga and or webtoons you would probably not even know what to do.
As for the whole gay thing in the webtoon there not in the US where being gay, lesiban, and bi or anything with the LGBT isn't accepted. Siwon parents probably wouldn't accept him and his friends most likely wouldn't there is way to much loss of he does in fact come out, I mean his dad only wanted him to study not draw to go to college, get a job ,meet a girl.
This is a good webtoon at least the seme didn't rape the Uke like in other manga's my point is I like the story, I like the characters, I don't want manga's (shounen ai or yaoi) where the seme is the bad guy turned good (too cliche, not my taste) and I want characters with REAL flaws besides the fact that there too much of a good guy.
Yes, literally ANYONE would react better than he has.
I do agree with you actually. Everyone are too harsh toward whole manhwa. Relax guys, im sure ending will be great.
Haha okay how would you leave he did try to leave before ya know? If I said I probably wouldn't react better and as for the gay thing you'd be fine with your parents not accepting you due to your sexually? Sureeeee just as well as I would considering everyone's only worried as too what everyone thinks. Are they not? siwon dad most likely wanted him to get married (collage, job, and finally marriage) due to how strict he was on siwon to study.
I agree too. Everyone thinks they would do better . But nope.
He agreed to meet up with the guy who attempted to rape him, kidnapped and graffiti'd his best friend and who released a photo to the general public of his sexual life, all of this AFTER having been warned to stay away... But i guess you'd rather just look at AFTER Siwon get kidnapped because the BEFORE events are a problem for your narrative. If you're wanting to talk about AFTER, anyone else wouldn't have stayed in the same house after the 1st night's sexual assault, wouldn't have trusted the guy's handmade food and would've KEPT trying to get away WITHOUT feeling sorry for the human trash who has done all of this to him and the most important people in his life JUST because he got injured... He only tried to escape once, now he's having beach strolls and talking with him about his past... Lol. Siwon is fucking retarded and you don't have an actual argument in his defense because he doesn't leave you with one, you have to ignore events and only look at the positive, k, bye~
dude SIWON agreed cause he didnt know he was gonna get raped or kidnapped. Even if he did disagree he would have got kidnapped anyways. How did DONGHYUN get trapped? u think he agreed to XURUAN . ofc not..he was also trapped. if siwon's best friend couldnt escape ..then how will Siwon
secondly Siwon needs to eat. DUDE PEOPLE GET HUNGRY
HE DID TRY TO GET AWAY . READ THE MANHWA PROERLY
i dont understand people always point out everyone's flaws but not their problems or pain
Siwon was not raped, he was sexually molested or abused at best. I don’t hate Siwon, he is fundamentally a naive person that sees the good in others. Jinha never revealed his past with Lu Xuan to Siwon and just instructed him to stay away. If Siwon found out all the things (blackmail photo, posting an image of him and Jinha kissing, etc) was due to Lu Xuan, he would react differently. But he doesn’t know Lu Xuan’s true nature until he is kidnapped and isolated from Jinha. I’m sure most of us would be armed with a grenade launcher and go after Lu Xuan, but that’s where Siwon differs — he is good-hearted. And because of that, Lu Xuan took advantage of the situation.
Meant to say if Siwon found out all the things FROM not due to Lu Xuan, lol. Lu Xuan already filled Siwon’s mind with doubts about Jinha, so of course Siwon would be in disbelief hearing it from Jinha.
Yep, but I don't agree people wo uhh of react better, let me ask what do you do all day of it's reading yaoi or shounen ai and or YouTube among other things, you would think you wouldn't have a chance, I just couldn't/wouldn't believe the people would react better in his situation themselves people are pretty weak in this day and age. I believe people in the 60s would react better. Not to look down on people but do you know Martial Arts or Taekondo? That could really help you? If you do I think you would have a chance of getting away and you right he doesn't know Lu Xuan so neither would you if it really happened to the people of this generation they'd just be scared nothing against anyone but I just don't think so people are more tempted then they think.
I mean yeah that was stupid of him to do I agree I wouldn't meet up with someone like that, but the only reason I can think he went was because Xuan said he was going to tell him something about Jinha. You can't just leave out why he went. I would say he should've gone to Jinha to talk but we all know how that'll end up especially since Jinha probably would ignore him and Siwon would get mad/upset...it's happened before.
I think all of you need to actually read what i said, i see 1 of you talking like i said Siwon was actually raped by Xuan and 2 of you trying to argue that his reason for choosing to go with Xuan is at all relevant. Both of these counters are fully countered by what i already said in my 1st response. Not sure how his reason for going, that being "this dangerous guy said he'd tell me something about Jinha", is even a valid argument considering the past between the two of them that i already mentioned and I didn't say he was raped, i said it was attempted.
I also never said that it was Dohyun's fault he got kidnapped and graffiti'd either... What is this reading comprehension. I'm out of here, there isn't a valid counter that any of you could POSSIBLY bring up in defense of Siwon, none of you like him for any reason, you are all just looking past all the stupid shit he's done while as we hate him for obvious reasons that we can actually state. We have reasons for hating him, you only like him because you're REALLY patient, to the point that it effects your opinion on things.
Also, Jinha warned Siwon to stay away from Xuan WAAY early. Before Xuan started his manipulation. I believe it was when the 3 of them 1st ran into each other. Siwon thought Jinha was acting weird around Xuan and then Jinha told him to stay away from him after Xuan left. So no, Xuan isn't an excuse for Siwon's decisions, he fell for them AFTER having been warned and continued to interact with Xuan even after seeing what happened to Doughyun.
Fair enough but I also like the story, it's hard to find good shounen ai stories where it's not just the seme turning into a good guy which which has been done before a million times.
I just like certain stories that others don't and it bugs the crap out of me.
I don't hate the story, i hate Siwon. I want to see Jinha happy still so i'm still reading.
And i DO want to see Siwon's dumb ass get liberated, admittedly... Xuan is just annoying rn, i want this island scenario to wrap up so SiwonxJinha can be a thing again and maybe Xuan can get himself a man so he can actually develop a personality outside of "i'm a bad guy".
Ok first of all no need to be mean about peoples reading comprehension skills.
He wasn't almost raped if I'm thinking about the scene you're talking about, Xuan just took photos of his naked body to send to Jinha. I don't think he actually touched him in a sexual way since at that moment he was obsessed with Jinha.
I just read back and yeah Jinha did warn him about what Xuan did my bad. Though my point still stands he went to talk to him because he was curious about Jinha's past I believe. Was it a stupid reason yeah. I'm not trying to defend him here I'm agreeing that he made a mistake but what I was saying is we shouldn't be so harsh to one character when they've all made mistakes.
That remark wasn't directed at you and i said it because they took what i said and went to an extreme strawman where it seemed like i was somehow blaming Doughyun for what happened to him... Luckily that's been resolved now. Idk what YOUR point was, but the topic of the conversation is "don't blame Siwon, would you have done better?", so your point of "other people have done things too" is besides the point when we're talking about Siwon and whether or not HE should be judged for his actions. In the 1st place, that's not even a good argument, "don't judge him, others have done things too". What? There is also a distinction here, Siwon's mistakes are always stupid and completely avoidable, HE puts himself into these situations while as Jinha's "mistakes" are just him tired of Siwon playing with his heart so he'll get angry and say some mean shit. That's a whole other argument that i'm not going into though. The type of mistakes Siwon makes are just stupid mistakes. Over and over. As far as the attempted rapes, you'll have to look back, i'm not going THAT far into all this, i don't have the time to look back and cite pages.
And again, you saying "he went with him to hear about Jinha" isn't a valid argument, it doesn't justify the stupidity of the decision. I already went over this.
I give up clearly we can't see eye to eye. I shouldn't have brought up others mistakes like you said this is a thread about Siwon. My bad.
I wasn't trying to justify his decision merely say why he even went, like i've been saying.
See eye to eye on what? All you keep doing is bringing up his reasoning. I understood everything you said, but you were presenting it as an argument for why Siwon shouldn't be judged and unfortunately it wasn't a good one. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
We see eye to eye on that Siwon had a reason for going with him, but no shit, that's part of the story.
Here, i'll apologize for being harsh and insulting that guy's reading comprehension. Maybe my way of talking rn is too much?
Hey if this thread is still continuing stop, I don't care anymore I won't deleted though cause it's still my opinion, just don't add anymore to the thread, I really don't care for it anymore. Cheers.
It's stopped back then.
Just saying just in case.
Made me want tea but it's 12:05, so can't make some ╮(￣▽￣)╭