victoria's Topics (157)

I know right and he’s (Yuyang) kinda stupid about it, because he’s also hurting himself and missing a great chance to be together. In the beginning of the story and even in the other story from the same author, he was a badass but now he’s just being silly. They just need to sit down and TALK about their feelings, also Lihuan is kinda silent, doesn’t speak much so I understand that Yuyang doesn’t understand him and doesn’t understand WHY he likes him. But never dismiss someone’s feelings.

Yeah and tbh he could end up giving Lihuan some trauma or deep insecurities due to his behavior.. Still love both of them tho.Yuyang will fix it

sameee plz (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Not sure if they are similar to each other but I really loved the manga Black Haze and they have a similar feel. Unfortunately Black Haze isn't as video game centered but still a good manga with fantasy genre. Check it out ^w^

Tower of God (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

True, but it is highly recommended one of my favorite manga

Yeeessss, absolutely agree with you, Victoria-san

I honestly don't understand this dislike for a romantic subplot in a shounen manga

if the author is good then they should be more than capable of writing romance while keeping the action interesting.

and we've already established that this is an amazing mangaka so what's the big deal.

btw, I've read my fair share of HORRIBLY done forced romance in shounen **cough cough BLEACH cough** BUT I've also read shounen with great romantic subplots:
Feng Shen Ji, Shen Yin Wang Zuo, Until Death Do Us Part (creepy but still good), Dead Days (even creepier but still good), Feng Shen Ji, Dance in the Vampire Bund, Btooom!, Marry Grave ╥﹏╥, Feng Shen Ji (i <3 Feng Shen Ji)

i could go on for days!

check out these mangas if you still think romantic subplot is "uncool"

1. The story will not focus on romance. Heck even jinwoo and haein aren't focused on each other
2. It's not unnecessary
3. It won't ruin the story, if that's what you're worried about.

The female character was just introduced a few chapters ago and you guys are already jumping to conclusions. Just scroll down the comments and you can find topics talking about how this "romance subplot" is not even considered a problem to novel readers *sighs*

That's a good concept:D

Yes ... hell yes ヾ(☆▽☆)

I prefer to see Chang making a mess of Ed but that also sounds good sis

I think Lancer also films verse and not exclusively tops because when Ed meets Lancer in the club for the first time, Janine said that Kyle and Lancer just finished filming a “flip-flop” lmao which is basically taking turns as being top/bottom

Lancer already did a flip flop with kayle...whom he lives with btw so no deflowering but it would be interesting

I second that motion! Chang x Ed ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Chang is so fine I can't wait to see him get it on

Right I completely forgot about that! Love that he’s not opposed to switching

Yeah that’s cool she designed him to be open minded about his performance!

I ACCIDENTALLY CLICKED DOWNVOTE KJASFKLJSAKJ

I am questioning about how you see things in this site

1. 8.6 is already a low rating in this site... I have noticed that the manga reach even 7.9 or 8.0, they are actually the "most bland" manga, manhwa, manhuas written.

2. Rape trope in my opinion is the roots of plot progression in a typical yaoi manga. And I do think that the "Japanese community" is not that much the super progressive type that they would change views easily...
yaoi is actually like a porn type of content..

3. Young ones are reading this.... At the first place, they should not read this at all... I am sure that explicit content are throughly checked in printed sales but in this site, anyone could just reading anything to our wildest imagination with us monitoring too much

4. Standards of yaoi is already that low since from the beginning.....

Damn. Couldn’t have said anything better. This were also my thoughts too.

1. Fine, 8.6 is considered 'low'. It's still abysmal.

2. Why should rape keep being perpetuated as a simple plot progression? If used, it should be in a way that brings light to the very real traumatic experiences people go through and written in a way that watches the main character who deals with this learn to heal and find solace. I understand the traditional views of the "Japanese community" and that this trope is common in yaoi, which is why I don't often read it and prefer to stick to shounen ai.

My issue is that, as a survivor myself, it frustrates me seing how easily these tropes are defended. I get that yaoi is a type of porn, but there are also plentiful yaoi stories that are deeply plot driven and intricately written. And then just when you're getting into the story, a random rape scene is thrown in there just for the sake of it; because often times authors have no other way of making the two characters become aware of each other than to have that deeply traumatic and painful thing happen to them. And instead of having these characters come to terms with it, maybe even have the rapist feel some sense of remorse and try to apologise, they just brush it aside like it's nothing. I understand that some people enjoy the trope - I have absolutely no issue with what people enjoy, as long as they aren't harming anyone. But this trope is so overused and often times unecessary in a lot of yaoi. It's highly triggering for someone like me to be getting into a deep yaoi manga with an excellent plot, for it to suddenly pop up out of nowhere, as a completely unecessary 'plot progression'. I work alongside male victims of abuse such as what's common in yaoi and it's very hard for me to read about it being used as such a flippant plot device; just a means to an end. I wrote my dessertation on the common rape/abuse undertones in porn on how that affects people's perception of healthy relationships, because I know that when people are only subjected to one type of thing they find it hard to separate fantasy and reality - and when that thing is so highly sensationalised and romanticised in a genre that's become more than just 'gay sex from a females perspective', it's disheartening.

3. That's my worry. Because the ease of this type of content is so easily accessable now it's important that we understand the impact these types of stories can have on young, impresionable minds. It has become such a normalised thing that if you express your discomfort for the trope, you get belittled and mocked.

Everyone likes what they like. Personally, rape shouldn't be used a plot device in yaoi mangas where the plot actually means something, unless it's about how the MC overcomes it and doesn't fall in love with their abuser, but someone who can help them heal. It's a very serious topic, and if it should be used as a joking, light-hearted trope to cater to those who are inclined to that fantasy, then keep it in the more 'porn/smutty' sides of the yaoi genre and not in the mangas that are likely to reach a bigger audience, where having rape in it is just unecessary.

Yo, buddy as long as i have a computer I can read practically anything. So, us "young ones" can get access to crap worst than this and this type of yaoi manga isn't rare at all.

Edit: This IS Yaoi not some Shounen Ai c.

;-;;;;; ummm..... it’s getting a bit tense here..... I’m just going to um.... so.. I get that you are against this, and no hating there, it’s just.... it’s good to spread awareness of this.... but it’s just um.... just a story.....;;;-;;;;; but spreading awareness of the fact that you can’t take stories seriously.. like this rape thing.... um... yeah..;-;;;

Dude, it's not like we aren't aware of this. We know that this kind of plot is intensely repeated and you're not the smartest one here. The thing is, we aren't a factor in the production of these series. We can't really walk up to the author and tell them what to do with their stories. Even if we did live in Japan, that would still be pretty impossible. So instead of whining and repeating what everyone already knows, do something about it so we can take it as an example. Because fairly speaking, you're not the first one to talk about this and just whine about it. All of you are at fault as much as the rest, do something, not (as you said) point out the obvious

dude ... this is yaoi with great art and smutty scenes...
pls discard all rationale of yours before reading...

Umm.. I'm sorry but if you don't like this kind of plots could you... Umm.. please NOT READ IT and look for something else to read/do 'stead of bitching 'bout here.
*No offense just stating my honest opinion （￣へ￣）

I'm sorry for what happened to you. I was sexually harassed too when I was 14. I get where you came from, so my advice is stay away from this kind of yaoi manga.
Before you read the manga, make sure you read the TAGS. I saw this manga has a "rape" tag, so I knew what to expect. Sure some raoe-based yaoi have great story that includes how the rapist try to apologize or how the victim survive the trauma. But most of rape-based yaoi mangas are typically like this. It's Japan, if you ever watched Japanese porn, well, you won't be surprise to see rape on mangas.

Just like you said, some people enjoy rape story, so you basically just wasting your time to read it then complain about the "obvious theme" on the comment section.
I respect your opinion, but again, this is the reality.
And I'm sure most of the people here aware that rape isn't acceptable for whatever reason.

Just, don't waste your energy on reading this type of manga. Stay away from it. That's all you need to do. Shounen ai is a great genre to read if you want some deep love story.

Have a nice day :)

Damn wth is happening in here #－.－)

guys... lets drop this ....
its completely the persons fault...
THE TOP TAGS SAID "RAPE" and he/he still read it...
"ignorance of the tags EXCUSES NO ONE"
(╯°Д °)╯╧╧

typo: he/she

If you want to know what're the popular tags, before you read the manga, click the rate (stars). Then you'll see a pop up to rate the manga. You'll see the popular tags of the manga there. Make sure there's no "rape" tag before you read the manga. Then you can just close it without actually rating the manga.

I can't believe that there were so many thumbs down to your comment. I am honestly dissapointed in fujoshi/fudanshi community here.
Sure, I'll admit. There are some good comics with a rape tag, and I've enjoyed some... There are five types of comics that can have a rape tag and still be good.
1. Rape happened, both parties acknowledge it and the rapist repents while the victim comes to terms in a realistic way. Not falling in love with the rapist overnight.
2. Rape happens but there are circumstances that lessen the traumtizing aspect, for example: the uke was taken advantage of when drunk and didn't hate it at that moment; one of them was under influence of some kind magic 'aphrodisiac'; the uke didn't want it mentally but he felt good physically; there are some good comics with this trope played right and honestly while I think it is horrible in reality, I can overlook it in fiction and I myself am guilty of actually liking a few comics with that trope.
3. Uke was raped by someone else, some bad guys or a jelous love rival. It can actually deepen the plot if the story setting is dark and grim.
4. The uke is being a tsundere and saying no without meaning it. I'll tell you one Japanese kink - during sex saying "iyaa", "dame", "yamete" is considered sexy, because the bottom looks more innocent and cute that way. Also, translators tend to translate "ya-" (cut off yamete, eng. stop) and "iyaa" (eng. no) as stop an no, but actually some of the ya's and iyaa's are just meaningless moans. Kind of like westerners like saying "yes yes ohh yes" during sex, in Japan they say "iya ya aah aaahn". There are a lot of manga's that got lost in translation because translators changed every ya to stop and no, and therefore tagged with rape where there wasn't any.
5. The uke is as crazy as the rapist seme. Or the seme forced himself on uke in his weak state, but later uke beat the shit out of him and set him straight. I know some comics taht made this work out with strong ukes.
BUT! This comic is none of that. The uke was already vulnerable, seme took advantage of him and that was the worst rape I've seen in yaoi in a while. The seme just shoved his dick in without any regards to uke, who was humiliated, violated and in horrible pain both mentally and physically.
To all people saying to look at tags... Firstly, there are a lot of comics with ridiculous tags just for a joke, so you can't fully trust them. Secondly, as I've stated before, there are 5 types of comics that make the rape trope work out fine. I knew there was going to be rape, but I didn't think it was this bad.
I wholeheartedly aggree with victoria that rape trope is unneccessary and overused in a bad way though. This comic is a particularly bad case.

Your opinion is clear and loud but if you don't like this kind of theme then better not read it. The top tags in this manga includes rape lmao

And sorry for what happened to you I was raped when I was 6 as well. And as a victim I'm happy that rape victims in yaoi finds love rather than suffer more in depression which I experience.

If they're happy then I'm happy for them as well.

I get what you want to say.... rape being used too simply, sometimes it has gotten too cheap....

but someone mentioned in the comments above... we are outside the "community" that these mangas are written. They could not hear our thoughts and reactions about this matter.
And also, writting and sketch manga stories is a business.... You cannot bring something profitable, then you are doomed.. Yaoi started off with brushed off rape in it (the first types of yaoi released is a shotacon type with questionable use of rape in it and that actually because a issue).... and that element makes this type of manga to be profitable... sadly, I do think authors would just follow it for stability purposes..

maybe some authors are not liking this "normalization" and they write off beautiful stories and I have appreciate them for it.... but this is harsh reality, everything in a yaoi mangas, is a hit or miss and sometimes it has become too disgusting to stomach it but you have to bear for it....

We could just pray for ourselves and to others that they know how to separate things between the bad reality of rape and just a poor representation of it in fiction and things might shift to a brighter place

I am happy that we have the same reaction of this one...
Not that I am defending because the comment above has some sense but..... sadly we cannot do something about these core issues of this manga type.

Well, I have accepted the bad and good sides of what I am reading...
We are not reading a socially acceptable type of comic and reading this type of manga is toxic if you don't take double check of your principles... And also people have different taste as you, so sometimes, even you find something too disgusting but many praises it, you just need to stomach it in..

Learned this one in a hard way.... fighting against majority is a painful and a losing battle... sadly....

I agree. People need to stop treating rape so lightly. I really dislike mangas that use unnecessary rape scenes as well. Hell, the rape scenario can be a good plot device if handled carefully. And why should people stop whining about it? Whining about it increases the chances of it getting heard, and it increases the chances of

spreading awareness.

That rape scene totally made me uncomfortable. Like, why. That must have hurt a lot. And then at one act of kindness, everyone's squealing like... that guy just raped him y'know.

And it had such a good plot as well, except those rape scenes :(

i agree with you

such dislikes. totally dissapointed

I know, right? Actually, it could've been a redeemable manga is seme at least tried to make uke feel good. But he forced him twice. I know there is no way you'd feel good when raped in real life, but through the magic of yaoi it is possible in mangas and while I don't particularly like when that happens, it certainly dulls the feeling that this is rape. But tu put actual realistic rape into that and make uke fall for seme later is just horrible storytelling.

hmmmgg idk

Oh my god, yes ! A person who can critique a manga, without getting overly defensive about it's shortcomings ! I have heard this "iTs JuSt FiCtIoN!!11" excuse so many times that it genuinely irritates me the moment I hear it. Yes, captain obvious, we all know that it's fiction and not real life. But unless the manga denounces all sense of reality (presents itself surrealistically), the story is still based on reality.
The rape trope irritated me not because I'm an overly moral person with frigid views, but because it's handled so carelessly. If it's handled carelessly, it's just bad storytelling. I have actually read mangas which Have handled the rape very carefully, and actually touched on the issue as an issue (Not like "ehehehe you raped me now i luv you eheheh"). Basically, it didn't feel like a toddler got to know that something controversial named "rape" exists, and just throws it around for the sake of shocking others.
So, before anyone says,"iTs JuSt FiCtIoN" , "LoOk At ThE TaGs!11!" or " If YoU dOn'T LiKe It, Dont ReAd IT !!!1".

1.) Yes, it is. It's badly written, shocking for the sake of shocking, and pandering fiction.

2.) A person can read the tags if they like, or not read it if they don't like. They can criticize the story regardless. Tags aren't the best representative, considering a lot of mangas have really unfitting tags. Also, the "Rape" tag doesn't represent dog shit, because most of us are fine with "Rape" in mangas (not including those who feel psychologically triggered). Unless the tag says "badly written story" or "rape handled very carelessly", it still doesn't help. I have liked mangas with the "rape" tag, so what's y'all's point? Oh, you have none... ;)

3.) Well, we have read it and we don't like it. So what? I don't consider reading bad things a complete waste, neither do I view criticizing that a waste. I have the right to criticise, and express my opinions. But you telling us to "shut up and don't read it if you don't like it" is EXTREMELY HYPOCRITICAL. Why did you read and reply to the comment if you didn't like it? Are you a special case, who is immune to your own principles ??? Don't your holier-than-thou rules apply to you as well? Well if they don't, then you're a massive hypocrite.

Agreed. That epilogue was just the worst. And I think the author/artist just wanted to draw smut.

Lmao ikr. How are we supposed to assume that they're going to have a happy ending when the seme was shit lol