I genuinely think authors need to retire the victim x abuser trope. It’s not cute it’s just sad. It frustrates me that every time I come across a story like that, people react like, “Oh my God, I can’t wait for his redemption arc. I can’t wait to see him fall to his knees, fall in love, realize the error of his ways” blah blah blah. Like please.... It’s tasteless, It gives nothing I seriously can’t wait until more people start to realize that
It’s not romantic, it’s not deep, and we’ve completely lost the plot with the ‘enemies to lovers’ concept. I’ve seen way too many people confuse that trope with straight-up abuser-victim dynamics as if that’s the same thing. It’s not. Not even close.
There’s something disturbing about how comfortable people have become with romanticizing pain, control, and manipulation. The idea that someone who has emotionally, psychologically, or even physically harmed another person can suddenly be redeemed by love isn’t just unrealistic, it’s dangerous.
I wonder if we’ve all collectively lost the plot when it comes to romantic storytelling enemies to lovers is never actually what it is anymore lmao. What once was a fun, dynamic narrative about conflict, tension, and eventual understanding has now been twisted into something unrecognizable. Too often, people conflate ‘enemies’ with ‘abusers’ But those are not the same, one is built on equal opposition and emotional complexity; the other is built on power imbalance and harm. Sighh
Exactly!! It’s not even enemies to lovers it’s straight up Stockholm syndrome. There’s nothing romantic about someone ending up with their abuser and I’m sick and tired of people hyping up and popularizing abuse stories. They also say it’s toxic like no that straight up abuse. Toxic relationships only work if they’re both toxic, not when someone’s getting brutally raped by the other. (⊙…⊙ )
So many of these authors writing abilities are straight up fried, they prioritize those scenes instead of good sensible writing and the worst part is that it works (a huge amount of ppl read it i mean). Its gotten much better than it was years ago but its still rough
I genuinely feel like I can't escape this trope its like EVERYWHERE
exactly omg. I swear 90% of the story's these days are becoming abuser x victim or just rapist x victim(basically the same thing), and the story's don't even have a half decent plot, its all just trash with a trash plot and a trash trope. I really wish people would stop producing story's like this and we could go back to the days where this wasn't such a big issue, but unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. I also wish more people would stop consuming and enjoying things like this which is also contributing to the mass production of story's with plots like this. I seriously hate this all so much and just want to be able to enjoy story's again without having to encounter rape or abuse.
It pains me cause I used to be SUCH a huge #1 stan of enemies to lovers like that was MY SHIT but saying that nowadays feels like a crime and people confuses it, mishears it as "yes I love seeing the person who just made the other persons life a living hell get with them and become a sweetie pie out of nowhere" like NO I LOVE RIVALRY THATS IT, ACADEMIC RIVALRY EVEN
Because it IS everywhere let's not lie
If you are interested in this manhwa I tend to promote it kinda has enemies to lovers forbidden love trope
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sangyang_the_wanderer/
Dom/sub verse manga recs please
Thanks pookie
Collar Kiss
Kimi no Ahimoto de Ai wo shiru (my fav)
Sugar to Mustard (not exactly subverse but similar)
Kocchi Muite Glare
Zettai, Fukujuu Meirei
Forgot to include it
Read them all cause I'm a freak for them but all if this is peak
I think subverse is lacking manga/manhã etc it's a shame cuz I also love them
Oh realll, its better then omegaverse too ngl
WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FREAKING HELL WAS THIS
SORRY IT WAS THE ONLY ONE I COULD THINK OF THAT WAS BDSM
I'm actually traumatized, you have no idea
Freaky shit with phone sex recs please, begging on my knees and all.
ts is so buns but it fits what ur asking for so here ig
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/obscene_phone_call/
omg i beat my shit to this like twice a month i love this author
girl
i think we getting a little too comfortable on the internet
saying that w that username is crazy
I will continue your legacy queen, trust
Thanks Queen
appreciate it never end the cycle
lmao thanks but like Queen said so boldly, I also just wanna beat my shit so whatever's necessary
tmi i just read that one and i just finished it and wow you will love ir
Yeah its kinda good but idk if its lust is taking over me fr
OMG BYE
the first ch was okay its just that the semes lwk cringe asf "heh ik some dark psychology" ahh ml
I love this author + this story too, thanks tho
Whoever said 9 inches was too big well they're fucking lying, it don't even hurt fr.
(=・ω・=)…
What
The question is how THICK it is? Lmao
big dick propaganda smh
We got big dick graduated expert over there
I know for real you got a big one twin
depends on the girth and where it's going ngl
The bigger the better!
Like my pookie Lau from Sangyang:The Wanderer has a penis as tall as him
are u speaking from experience ho cus imo...
right..
trying to decipher ur tone makes me feel like a stereotypical hacker in a crime movie "now if i do this.. ill get into the dataframe.. haha! easy
BRUH STOPPP i was js tryna side w u bro DAMN
YOU SAID "right.." MDR HOW AM I MEANT RO KNOWW SKAJAHA
oh shoot damn i read this wrong i thought u were tryna say i'm the hacker MY BAD GNG LMFAOOO fuck
Im acc crying so bad bro my ass would NOT push my glasses up my nose and call u a hacker im DEAD
IM GONNA FOLLOW U HOME NOW
whipped my head around like u were behind me
follow me back gng i'm quite funny too aha
brother get up off ur knees jesus christ
my brother in christ i accidentally deleted your message my bad bruh LMFAO lemme send a message back
Nah, length is definitely important if you don’t want your cervix getting hit. I can’t barely get through a pap smear lmao. I actually remember an interview with the guy with the world’s longest dick which we are for some reason keeping track of. He said there were girls who’d sleep with him out of curiosity and they hated it because of how big it was.
Oh that's interesting ╮(￣▽￣)╭ I'm not a girl tho hehe but yeah I get your point (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Y'all ever be in a story's comment section and be like "damn they dumb asf" or like "those are definitely kids omg".
me w those isekai manhwas that are actually godd but evetyonr just calls tjem trash bc of one thing that the fl did that was "stupid" or wtv when its such a reasonable thing to do in her situation like WHAT do people not get that we arent the characters but the readers???? And its just ONE thing that the fl did that led to a bad rating when its such a masterpiece like ong and the ones that get good ratings from these types of people are the most BASIC most frustrating type of stuff to read like what ?????
Yeah jinx comment section all the time
Those are just mentally deranged people.
They always have the most basic repetitive opinion and people are still sucking their d because of it, they can't bother forming a thought of their own about a story that they just read, sometimes I wonder if they didnt just skip to the scene everyone talks about to complain about it too lmao.
for sure
Me with every bl story with a toxic ML, they be doing cartwheels trying to explain why the bad guy is the MC and not the (usually) r@pist
The victim blaming is real in yaoi
When people start calling the ML a green flag, forgetting the fact the character's first meeting was when the ML assaulted MC. -> Jaeshin...
Fr I was re-reading Love is an illusion and the amount of hate Hyesung got was crazy like you saw his backstory and everything he’s going throught right now so his reactions are appriote with how he’s reacting since he never got professional help Σ(っ°Д °;)っ
Pearl boy’s apologists lol they glaze it so hard
Nah ong They be hating on him then go straight to licking the ML’s nuts like hes all that
hidoku shinaide.
this foolishness been going on for years like im tired.
funny I was talking abt this one lmao. Since it got popular again bc of the sequel I be fighting for my life in the comment sections defending him from their stupidity and victim blaming
When people shout "OMG RED FLAG" over a character flow that makes them more human. Like let them make mistakes and be imperfect?? Otherwise how are they going to have a character development.. i hate those picture perfect characters who does nothing bad and everything they say is right. For me, it makes them lack personality and so unmemorable.
And when comments can't understand morally grey characters like it always should be either black or white for them.
Ps: I'm not talking about rapists who are that for no reason and only to make mc and ml have sex and then forget about it
This is exactly what inspired me to write this question, I hate it when people immediately shout "red flag" especially when it doesn't even apply at all. It's so easy to throw shade at the character but not easy to try and understand them, I know not every story needs analyzing to a degree, not everyone takes seriously a complex character, but if you're not even making an effort don't even suggest utter the words "red flag" and reduce a character to only that. People like that are so insufferable and I wonder why they read in the first place.
OMG RIGHT like youre not even 50 chaps into the story and youre making judgements alr...
Give me 3 manhwas from my "want to read" list that you think is good enough to distract me on this boring day.
Its 5 but these, also Moritat is just brain damage so feel free to read that as well if you want a confusing story that no one has the answer to lol
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sleeping_dead/ https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/gokurakugai/ https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/papa_x_papa_to_de_sorezore_yattemasu/ https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/totsukuni_no_shoujo/ https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/baraou_no_souretsu/
Sleeping Dead
Goodbye Nameless Violin
Ito-San
Sorry, Itou-San
Thanks ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Thank you (〃'▽'〃) i'll put moritat on hold tho
“No home” and “dream away” !
Tokyo Shinjuu (totempole)!! underrated imo
seconding Sleeping Dead and No Home (but i think you already read it maybe?)
Dream away
Goodbye, Nameless Violin
Love gym
I've heard if no home and since it's my favorite author I plan to read it soon but not now since it has way too many chapters and dream away seems cute I'll read it, thank you<33
Sleeping dead is definitely 1rst to read on my list since many people are recommending it lmao thank you (▰˘◡˘▰)
That’s fair! Definitely would need to free up an entire day or two for no home lol but it is very easy to binge
I'm actually reading love gym rn and it's kinda cute, i'll read dream away as 2nd since it's been recommended twice and I might check out nameless violin thank you tkook pookie (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Yeah but I wanna take my time ( I barely finished read their other work "room #305") i've been kinda in a reading slump sadly I can barely read stuff that has more than 60 chapters but i'm trying ☹
Omg that’s so real I have a rlly short list of things that take less than an hour to read if u wanna check that out <3
Oh thank you I followed, i'll check out some things, it also seems i've already read some good amount, it's a good list really thank you again love<33 (▰˘◡˘▰)
Suggestions for age gaps/old men bl please for this list y'all can check out!!
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/2945946/
Anything by Cheingtak honestly
Show me some of their work pls :)
Ah damn, I just noticed you've added this to your list
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/midnight_rain_ctk/
Here's another
'Koi ga Ochitara by Ueda Aki'
I already have them both and I love them so much, thank you tho :3
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/joou_to_shitateya/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/otoko_yamome_mo_hana_ha_saku/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/wadatsumi_no_yometori/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/old_fashioned_cupcake/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/tonari_ni/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/koko_wa_yes_to_ittekure/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/coffin_jackson/
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/on_doorstep/
I highly recommend doorstep if you haven’t already read it
Oh thank you, some of these I need i'll check it out also
I'm asking this again bro I'm looking for it everywhere but I can't find it, so basically it's about this guy who has a butler an old butler like very old but the guy loves him and he tries his hardest to flirt and get with the old tired butler it's so funny and he fails every time but you can tell the butler has a soft spot for him but he doesn't actually believe that the guy who has every girl after him who's handsome and young could ever love an old tired man like him which is what the other guy is trying so hard to prove.
It's a comedy manga or manhwa? I barely remember, it had this unique artstyle which I can't differ so I genuinely Need to find it, I remember it was only 3 chapters on here so I wanna know if it ever got updated. Please and thank you!
maybe you can find it here -
https://www.anime-planet.com/manga/tags/butlers
Thank you ig ╥﹏╥
Is it this?
Bamford Koushakuke No Shitsuji
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/bamford_koushakuke_no_shitsuji/
No... (╯︵╰,)
Maybe the old guy was actually a cleaner, idk I barely remember but he was definitely working as a housekeeper for the guy like washing stuff bro.
ohh maybe you'll find it here then -
https://www.anime-planet.com/users/AnnaSartin/lists/housekeepers-in-bl-132111
Bro is this shit the one piece? It's not there either lmao, but thank you for the housekeeper list, I love those I seriously need to find the story or else i'm gonna lose my damn mind.
What's worst is I thought I definitely kept it in my notes/lists but I didn't find it, it was definitely a manga since I think it had a Japanese name.
I hesitate to say this, but you can filter out stuff better on MRM
oh damn, well good luck finding it
I'm not going there it'll take 500+ awful cheap yaoi porns to get to what I want no matter how much I filter stuff, it's a very short unpopular manga too.
I give up （/TДT)/
Do you remember anything about how they look or age range of the butler? Was it updating when you were reading it or was it possibly an abandoned series? Older men are my favorite and I might have it hiding in the abyss of things I've read on another site.
Okay so, the older guy looked kinda tired, white hair and I think the other guy was tall with dark hair or brown? I don't remember, the old guy wasn't those super tired old guy but just chill??? He's not too old.
It sounds so familiar. I'm going to do a deep dive in my lists later to try to find it. I'm curious now, too!
Please and thank you so much, you give me hope and faith to continue searching for it too (┳Д┳)
the dude here is a super star and he keeps asking his old housekeeper to stay for longer and the old dude is like r u gna pay me overtime? im pretty sure its the one ur looking for
OH YESS YESS YOU YES YOU I FUCKING LOVE YOU, THANK YOU SOO MUCH BRO I BARELY REMEMBERED WHAT THEY LOOKED LIKE THANK YOUUU, I WISH I COULD FUCKING KISS YOU, I'M SO HAPPY o(╥﹏╥)o(づ￣ ³￣)づ
OMG YAY IM GLAD(⌒▽⌒)
I'm looking for it everywhere but I can't find it, so basically it's about this guy who has a butler an old butler like very old but the guy loves him and he tries his hardest to flirt and get with the old tired butler it's so funny and he fails every time but you can tell the butler has a soft spot for him but he doesn't actually believe that the guy who has every girl after him who's handsome and young could ever love an old tired man like him which is what the other guy is trying so hard to prove.
It's a comedy manga or manhwa? I barely remember, it had this unique artstyle which I can't differ so I genuinely Need to find it, I remember it was only 3 chapters on here so I wanna know if it ever got updated. Please and thank you!
old man + unique artstyle sounds like a manga by Naono Bohra, I only found this oneshot
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/zurui_otoko_crafty_man/
It's not that but it's okay, thanks for trying :)
Why aren't we allowed to have fancy names on here anymore what happened
Wait, what? What do you mean?
Like your name, everytime I try to do something cool with my name it changes it to simple
like as in fonts??
Ppl were messing with the website through their usernames so now special characters don't show anymore.
Yes!!
Aww