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It wasn’t rape the Seme never forced the Uke

To be fair, fumi continued a sexual rs with zono without telling him anything, not even a confession, so zono couldn’t possibly know fumi has already long moved on from loving kaede. They weren’t dating, they just continued their sexual rs, so it’s not exactly considered cheating.

Ah but I still do respect your opinion.

This is fiction, no real child was harmed when making this.

I still don't think that makes it ok. My point wasn't that an actual child was harmed, it was that it sexualised children and normalised pedophilia which is not a good thing.

It does not normalise paedophilia. One of the key things about this medium is that way it is drawn (unrealistic) separates it from reality. This is why next to everyone who read this won't condole an actual child getting raped. The art style its self is what creates a line that separates this from reality. The "child" does not look like an actual child.

Additionally, the mc gets punished for what he did.

Just because it's drawn unrealistically doesn't really seperate it from reality. If it was written in a way that potrayed the act of pedophilia as wrong then I wouldnt be complaining about this, for example in manga such as killing stalking or kings maker, however in this one it was heavily sexulalised to the same level as it is for normal yaoi relationships. It's less about how realistic it is, and more about the idea that pedophilia could be ok. Yaoi really does count as a fetish, and the fact this is included within that genre does fetishise pedophilia.

You know that this is mostly shotacon? The author of this story always deals with messed up relationships although they don't consider them healthy. Almost everyone reading this understands that it's not ok.

Also, the unrealistic art style does have the effect of separating it from reality. I studied this stuff (not yaoi but media) so I know what things are important. The closer that thing could get you to being attracted to children is to find the character sexy. The fact that the "child" does not look like a child is what stops us from viewing the "child" as an actual child. We all unconsciously draw a line between those two things. If the art style was actually realistic then that line wouldn't exist but if it did it would be very thin and blurry.

But lets talk about context since this is the main thing you seem to be considering:
-He does fuck a child (around the age of 8 and 4)
-The child seems to be crying and begging to stop through most of it.
-He has his mouth covered and is clearly forced so it's obviously rape.
-The rapist doesn't realise that his mental age is deteriorating just like his physical age (or at least how old he looks like.)
-During the second time they have sex he is shaking
-The kid is crying and coughing.
-"I was wrong," said the rapist. He himself even admitted that it wasn't ok. Although he is still an asshole.
-By the end, the rapist ends up with no money to buy food, can't have sex for a month, gets hit. Which shows that although he did not go to prison, there was still some kind of a punishment. Yeah it could have been bigger.
-Yes he did seem to enjoy raping the child but should anyone expect a rapist to be sad and remorseful while committing the deed.

Based on all of that I can say that if anyone read this and found this to be enough to make them attracted to children sexually then they must lack any kind of human empathy at all just based on the context.

Which is why I would like to make an important point myself. Maybe almost all yaoi relationships are not ok and cause people to start seeing crying, asking to stop having sex and forcing someone as just normal sexualising? Thus when they see those things they don't recognise the issues with them. I mean this is partly why usually when people on here talk about rape there are so many people who don't actually know what rape is.

I do partly agree with your statment about the unrealistic art style seperating it from reality, but I also think that's what makes it easier for people to justify it to themselves, because the art style is unrealistic it's a lot easier to think "It's not like I'm a pedophile for liking this, it's just manga anyway". The fact that none of the other characters in the story see anything wrong with what he's doing also promotes this kind of detachment. The comment section is clear evidence for this, and also devaalues your statement " if anyone read this and found this to be enough to make them attracted to children sexually then they must lack any kind of human empathy" Example:
" -- 3/5 -- Harada- Hot"
"This is the goddamn manga that made me a shotacon （￣へ￣)"
"I still like though."
"Ok y did he turn SO SMALL AAND CUTE EVERYDAY I WOULD DO THE SAME AS THAT GUY IF I WAS A BOY BECAUSE who could not resite loooking at that KAWAII KID, but that's FUCKING child abuse But it was worth it(๑•ㅂ•)و✧(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ლ(´ڡ`ლ) i want MORE THOU its like BOKU NO PICO!_! "
"Oh its Harada sensei being Harada!!!! "
"This is disturbing. But even more disturbing is the fact that I don't hate it. "
Based on these comments, quite a few people found it sexually attractive contrary to your prior statement. It also disputes the statement "Almost everyone reading this understands that it's not ok." I have read most of Harada's works and I do enjoy the phycological aspect in them but if you look at his other work Nii-san, which deals with the same topic, and compare it with this the differences are made quite clear. Nii-san doesn't try to pretend that pedophilia is ok, this one clearly does as none of the side characters show objection or disgust to what he does and treat it like a couples fight, and the "punishment" the mc gets is in the style of a comedy, with 'health bar' appearing when he's told he can't have sex for a month. The lighthearted tone at the end of the manga honestly was what really annoyed me.

How can they see they see anything wrong with it if they don't know about it? Also, about those people, the only reason that they see this as acceptable is that they are used to it. If they saw this being done to an actual child they would see the grim reality of it and wouldn't be able to say those statements. There might be few who would still stand behind those statements but those people need mental health; they are the people that deserve the label of being called a paedophile.

My statement was that reading this doesn't make people attracted to actual children, they might find the characters attractive but I would be shocked if they could say that they find real human children attractive. I think I should have been a bit more clear when I said that most people understood that this was not ok, I was referring to real life. If they saw this in real life then they would be against it.

Like I said before, the other characters don't seem to know about them having sex. I do have to agree that the ending was lighthearted.

Personally, I'm not gonna lie but I did jack off to this and a couple of other Harada's work, However when it comes to real life children the idea of doing the same thing makes me want to vomit.

Oh my god what is wrong with you?? You literally just admitted you jacked off to a scene where a child was raped, how do you not see how messed up that is???? To me even finding the idea of a child being raped attractive is so so messed up, even in fiction context is important. Yeah it wasn't a real child, yeah it's unrealistic, but you know that's a child from the context of the story and you still find it attractive?? I actually agreed with some points you made and I thought you were a decent person but no decent person would masturbate to a scene where a child is raped.

Nothing actually and it isn't an actual child. I'm just a fan of BDSM and similar stuff to that. There is a huge difference between a real child and an actual fictional character.

So do you regret agreeing with me on those points? You know that whenever I masturbate to yaoi or not doesn't affect the points I have made and it would be ignorant of you to take everything you said back.

You know that this wasn't a scene where an actual child was raped. It's a different thing. Keep saying that I'm not a decent person if you want to but you should know that you're equating two separate things. You see me as someone who is not decent and I see you as someone who has a hard time with dealing with different concepts and ideas.

well since u don't like such stuff u can always avoid them
since there is shotacon tag right there at the top

Yes Harada Army finish her/him!

You’re right, it’s fucked up. Tbh I’m surprised your comment has so many dislikes, I didn’t expect people to enjoy this sexually it’s messed up

Yeah, it's fucked up but it's not real. If this was a porno with real people then trust me, the amount of disliked on this comment would have been 0.

Who cares if it’s real or not? It’s the message which is not ok

And the message was?

It’s ok to sexualise children that was the message and it seems like that message worked cause you are entirely convinced you have the moral high ground here -_-

And how does it send that message? The only character in this that knows about what the antagonist did is against it and pissed at them. It does present sexual actions with a child as fucked up and shows that it's harmful and that children don't have the mental capacity for such actions. I don't know how to you that made it seem as an acceptable action.

Harada presents many fucked up topics and personally, I would say that they handle them well.

How am I convinced that I have the moral high ground here? Look, I'm just trying to argue my side with you and trying to come to a mutual understanding.

No need to be so rude. Geez.

The guy literally fucks a kid what are the repercussions? No sex for a month? taking issues like this and dealing with them lightly pisses me off.

There is no art in it. Just for entertainment, and the fact it is sexual can psychologically fuck people over. Maybe not to normal people but if you see stuff like this all the time it becomes the new norm. Seeing kids in sexual situations can make people have attractions which are not ok. I’m not talking about this manga specifically, but looking at the picture picture it’s taboo for a reason.

Making a mass media of stuff like this “fucked up” I’m not trying to argue with you but stuff like this should be recognised “not ok” <— this applies with a bunch of Harada’s other works btw

What repercussions do you expect? Do you expect the guy to go to prison and to get called out publicly? Well yeah, that would be great. But IRL that doesn't always happen and they get away with it for years. But yeah I do agree that the punishment at the end should have been more extreme. Like the guy could have beat the crap out of him if he didn't want anyone to find out about what happened,

The guy is shown as a selfish predator. The uke is not into it, he wants to stop and hates it. If the author was trying to show that such things are ok then this would have gone differently. Oh the uke would have loved it, the same would have been shown as this great kind sweet guy that everyone aspires to be.

This type of stuff won't normalize pedophilia and make people attracted to children (not saying that you're saying it will make people into pedos). There are factors that do increase the chances of someone being a pedo:
-offenders might have been victims of sexual child abuse themselves
-genetics may play part in increasing someone's chances
-people with lower IQ
(Not causes, just stuff that increases chances)

I would say that the whole "not ok" thing applies to most yaoi. They include things such as rape without even realizing that they are rape and brush them off. Personally, I would say that brushing things off and not acknowledging what they are and what negative side effects they have is a way to normalize those things. Yeah, Haradas works are fucked up but that's the intention with them and they as an author do not present those things as normal. I'm sure that there are plenty of shotas that do normalize sexualizing kids.


Btw, what you mean by "there is no art in it"? I don't get what you mean.

Your analogy of my point isn’t right but ok bye

Not an analogy of your point, just a similar point. Honestly, you could answer at least one question I gave you but whatever. Bye.

hey man, i am super late to this thread but i see literally no one is agreeing to you and just a heads up youre 100% correct. what this other person is saying is fucked up. it’s so incredibly disgusting to jack off to this and ur 100% right. ur points are literally just right on the mark. people here are just mentally ill if they find it attractive. i do love harada’s other works where she doesn’t sexualise toddlers and such and portrayed child rape as an actual bad thing without making it “hot”. so thank u for trying to educate people ur hard work will not go unnoticed!

Oof this is so old

yeah yeah i know lol i was just rereading harada’s works and i didn’t realise i skipped over this one so i went to the comments to check it out and wowowow so many pedophiles lol

Well yeah there are a lot of weird ppl online but this comment section is pretty tame cuz no one is gonna literally stalk you and call you homophobic for not agreeing with an adult X child relationship between two people of the same sex.

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