they’re so similar to each other i’m gonna pretend they are twins
Do you know if they're the same height?
i think very similar though the seme is probably a little taller
i don’t think i’ve ever read a webtoon as bad as this one. it’s so stupid and nonsensical it’s actually funny. it’s an equivalent of a wattpad story written by an edgy 14 year old who thought they just had the best idea in the world and no one had ever written anything as good as this. the plot was ass, the characters were ass, the plot twists were ass, the sex scenes were ass, the artstyle was ass. the only way to improve this story is to fucking delete it altogether. complete waste of time. and the pure exposition in the extra chapters felt as if i was reading author’s personal notes about this story, but they didn’t know how to convey this information in any way so they just copy pasted it into the actual webtoon. absolutely phenomenal storytelling, especially the part when the mc tells the reader that even though he lost his memory twice, he still remained gay, and that’s precisely why he got a girlfriend. i refuse to believe anything in story was written seriously.
also, with the amount of direct explanations we’re given at the end, no one mentions who the fuck that blond chick actually is. it’s kind of implied by the psycho guy that she’s that blonde guy from the mc’s high school years, but at the same time everyone says he died and neither the characters nor the story itself ever denies it. so who the fuck was she? no one knows, probably not even the author themself. the psycho guy told the mc that he decided to kidnap only the people who made the mc’s life a “living hell”, and then there’s this random ass girl whom he keeps in one of his rooms and it’s never even explained.
anyway, i think that the fact that this story went through all those editors at l*zh*n, got accepted and then fucking published on a website where you have to pay real, hard earned money for each chapter, serves as a good reminder that no matter how stupid you think your idea is, it’s still probably better than this one. so go for it, write that silly little story of yours and make your dreams come true. if this garbage right here got published, then literally anything can.
LMFAO i love this and i completely agree w your thoughts on the side stories like atp don’t even bother with the art they could’ve made an authors note just explaining everything since that’s exactly what it seemed like and i think hayan truly was just some random ass girl the author threw in so there would be a love interest that yoojin could end up with (bc it sure as hell wasn’t gonna be gyuhwool) to really top off the happy ending
people bitching about every bl having rape and sa clearly forgot they have the choice to just not read such things. there are tons of bls that don’t have any rape or sa, and are wholesome, or can be even on a darker side yet still have consensual and respectful relationship between the main couple, so when there’s a story that starts with rape and is clearly about sexual abuse, why bother and read it if it’s not your cup of tea? even the cover was such a huge indicator of what the story was going to be about. at this point y’all are doing it to yourself on purpose. if you really want to waste your energy on saying how there’s rape everywhere, you should at least go for some webtoons that have sa but never address it and brush it off because the main couple need to end up together with their happily ever after, and addressing the noncon by the author would ruin all of that. at least this story doesn’t promise their relationship is going to pretend to be healthy and happy, when the mc is clearly not in his right mind by the end of it. i understand discussing the plot in general or whether the ending was good or not, but saying the story is trash just because it has rape in it? just hit the back button in your browser or close the tab and get out if it’s not something you fw.
Yeah I mean I think it's fair to complain about how prevalent abuse is in BLs as well as complain about stories that justify/romanticize rape, but this story was very obviously just gonna be rape porn. Like why are you complaining about it it's pretty obvious what it was gonna be but you so choose to read it lol
A lot of people’s complaints come from the fact it has become such a norm to create manhwa like this or even include it in a story where it’s not needed.
For me, a story like this one seems quite redundant because it panders to those who enjoy rape but again why try to pass it off as such a normal thing to write? Rape isn’t a morally good thing to do or even write about so recklessly without no substance so people are for sure gonna complain.
I believe if the story was maybe written better and had a good theme and direction it sure wouldn’t get so many negative reviews compared to positive reviews but this story just turns into another rape porn manhwa
my only complaint with bls that have sexual abuse is when they don’t address it and the abused character just accepts the abuse without any deeper psychological issues, as if it was the most normal way to have sex, only just a little more rough. and it’s not even the fact that there are stories that do that, but that there are soooo many of them and they barely have any plot, instead relying on sex scenes (that sometimes can’t even pass as dubcon) every three chapters. i don’t see anything wrong with showing abuse in bls but if the only plot is going to be abuse (that’s never even gonna be addressed) and the characters are gonna be bland as hell and just another version of the same well-established stereotypes (seme is aggressive, uke is helpless), then it just gets boring over time. there are so many ways of showing and exploring abuse and abusive relationships, and it doesn’t even have to have a happy ending. but i guess some authors want to rely on some formulaic plot points instead of coming up with something actually creative.
just because someone writes a story about rape doesn’t mean they’re trying to “pass it off as such a normal thing to write”. as long as it has proper warnings, anyone can write about literally whatever they want. writing about something doesn’t equal endorsing it or treating it like a “normal thing” lol. and of course rape isn’t a morally good thing to do, but so is murder yet no one complains when there are people killed in fiction. i agree that it’d be nice to address something as rape in a story that actually contains it (and this webtoon clearly doesn’t treat it as anything else) but at the end of the day, it’s fiction and anyone can write about the things they want, as well as anyone can complain about it. and what’s so wrong about this story pandering to people who enjoy seeing rape in fiction? as long as it’s only in fiction, then i really don’t see a problem in it, and i’m one of these people too. it was clearly a story written as porn with rape kink and i don’t think it tried to be anything else or more. i believe there’s place for stories that take rape seriously and try to show how damaging it is to a victim, but also for stories that treat it as nothing more but porn material, because yes, even rape victims can enjoy the latter, too.
(just because someone writes a story about rape doesn’t mean they’re trying to “pass it off as such a normal thing to write”.)
Cause its already been normalized??? This is a common porn trope so it didnt bother me to read it but i was more intrested in the art.
(but at the end of the day, it’s fiction and anyone can write about the things they want)
soooo people writing about children in these situations are fine to you? Cause that is a thing even on this site, even with it being illegal. Fiction does infact affect some peoples reality and being so desensitized to these things isnt a nat positive.
Also you cant compare fake sa to fake murder??? They dont share the same connotations, and alot more people know what sa is like in reality than it is to be murdered. And people do complain about fictional murders/murderers so idk wym.
Bud basically every bl manhwa has rape and like 1% and if we were to go by your logic if child pornography is portrayed in some kind of fictional story you’re basically stating that it’s okay to like it as long as it’s fictional?
rightttt ppl nowadays really ain’t afraid to say they enjoy rape it’s so disgusting.
Because these dumbass authors never expand on the effects of rape, if you’re going to include SA in your plot don’t just plonk in there with no rhyme or reason otherwise it serves no purpose explain why it’s happening, the effects both physically and mentally why is rape is such a huge thing in BL but they never show a torn ass hole bleeding? Because it’s a cheap trick to romanticize rape. And unlike some i like my plots to have actions that actually are well thought out. Look at a perfect example of a rape scene impacting characters in a way that drives the plot with purpose walk on water vs lets say jinx which is just a useless BL with dubcon sex that serves no purpose other than both characters being one dimensional and stupid and the author just wanting to draw violent sex just because its easy and sells.
This is exactly what I’m saying. Part of why it so much more annoying now to see rape included in manhwa now is the fact that it really serve no purpose. Like they not making it apart of the story plot and develop on it they’re like "well x character rape x character and moving on". It so dismissive and pandering like you said.
Fr like u can choose ur own thing they made the book so it’s there’s
simply writing about any topic isn’t illegal. you can argue about morality of such things, but as far as i know, you can write about anything you want, so yes, even cp, and it won’t be illegal, because it’s fiction. producing sexual images of underage fictional characters is actually illegal in some countries, but in others it is perfectly okay and you won’t be punished because they’re fictional. so it’s not just “illegal” and that’s it, it depends on what country you’re from. it’s illegal in south korea but it’s legal in japan. again, you can argue about morality of doing such things, but legality of them is a different thing. and i’m not saying that fiction doesn’t affect reality in any way, but if you’re a healthy adult with a developed brain, you most likely are able to separate fiction from reality. and if you’re not, then you simply shouldn’t read such heavy things. as long as there are proper warnings, engaging with such content is always the reader’s responsibility. and they always have the possibility to just stop reading.
of course people in real life would know how it is to be sa’d rather than murdered, lol. i don’t think there’s a single living person who knows how it is to be murdered. but that makes murder so much worse in real life. maybe they aren’t comparable one to one in fiction but i still don’t see the reason why murder can be so prevalent in fictitious works, while sa can’t. again, you can argue whether the trauma after sa is depicted “properly” or not, and you can criticize it however you want, but saying that simply depicting sa in fiction is equal to “normalizing” it is just stupid. but you’re entitled to your own opinion.
I didnt say depicting sa in fiction is equal to normalizing, its already been normalized, which is why unhealthy relationships are so commonly depicted in fiction and non fiction. Especially queer fiction here but thats alot thanks to fetishization.
Which brings me to your bio cause wtf "fetishize normalize romanticize traumatize never apologize" take some time off this website perhaps.
not gonna waste my time on arguing with you anymore because you won’t change my opinion and i won’t change yours. have a nice day or whatever
*shits* *howls*
ohhhh prisoner and prison guard? this looks yummy. i really hope they won’t turn wholesome like in the author’s previous work.
i’m more than 20 chapters in and this story is just boring. there are some things going on, there is some development between the mc and ml, but god it feels so dragged out and filled with scenes that are just unnecessary and don’t make the plot progress in any significant way. not to mention these “comedy” moments that are just stupid and unfunny, and take away from the tension that has somehow managed to built up. and the mc seems kinda dense. the only interesting aspect of this story is ilay but idk if i should bother with reading the rest of it just to see more of him.
The story gets progressively same as any other bl story with Possesive Ex with an extra possesive Male lead but what makes this story different from the others is its showing a different side of entities such as *cough* UNESCO *cough* 's helping nature in war & politics with a supernatural element of how lucky charm works for people. I'm not only unable to move on from the UNHRDO fiasco but also curious to find out about Jaeui the genius weapon developer. If you have patience read atleast season 2 ends if it still doesn't interest you then there's more good food out there. Happy reading
thanks for letting me know. at first, i was really happy when i saw that the main couple didn’t already fuck in the first few chapters as is the case with many other BLs, but in chapter 20 i started to get really bored. i don’t really like the mc, and this whole organization doesn’t make a lot of sense to me and there seem to be too many inconsistencies with it. i was happy that there was some actual plot here but the more i read, the more underdeveloped everything felt. but i’ve read only the first 20 or so chapters so i know a lot of things can still change later. i think will give it a second chance and decide then, because the seme’s possessiveness makes me really interested.
Ngl, I'm in the same boat as you. Dropped it once cuz I found it quite boring, but now I started re-reading it and I'm at chap 71. Tbh, it's still boring. The whole military and brother plot is quite lacking and uninteresting. But I'm still ready because somehow, I'm very curious to see how the mc and ml's relationship will evolve, although it's nothing groundbreaking. I'm skimming through more than reading I would say.
yeah even after 20 something chapters this whole organization and brother thing was really all over the place and lacking. i kinda already got the feeling that all the inconsistencies and things that didn’t make sense wouldn’t be actually resolved or explained later, and judging by your comment i was right. i’m happy that the author decided to actually work on some plot to engage the reader on a deeper level than just by showing two characters fuck, but unfortunately they fell short on the execution of it. idk if it’s just the webtoon problem or it wasn’t much better in the original novel in the first place, either way i don’t think it’s worth any more of my time lol
off-topic but what kind of christmas movie were they filming in chapter 10? a soldier who runs away with some secret information and dies at the end? who watches things like that on christmas?
sounds like a parody of Die Hard which people insist is a Christmas movie lmao
lol i didn’t even know that. never seen that movie so. but if it was done on purpose here then that’s pretty funny
this is hot but has too much plot for something that’s basically porn. anyway, waiting for the three remaining chapters (i hope there will be just sex and no more poor excuses for a plot lol)
finally a webtoon where the bottom actually enjoys sex and isn’t all “oh nooo stop itttt don’t put it thereeee wait nooo”. brett just knows he loves dicks, especially having one in his ass, and i’m here for it
I agree, yaoi devil.
the true power of yaoi devil is finding more stories where ukes love being fucked
exactlyyyyyyy i am really growing tired of that narrative, I need some recs where the uke actually likes having seggs
i can give you some
- wet sand
- under the green light
- flashlight
- ouroboros
- saezuru tori wa habatakanai
though the last two ones contain some serious topics (sexual trauma though not between main pairings), and ouroboros was generally a really hard read due to how good the portrayal of sexual trauma was, but it’s definitely one of my favorite stories of all time, like in general. the sex scenes with uke are really hot though kinda sad to witness because all this hyper sexuality stems from his sexual trauma (that’s the same case for saezuru, but in ouroboros it’s more of the focus on the story).
Damn wish I possessed that power TT maybe all I need are tentacles..
ohhhh thank u so much!!! I’ve read most of them and though I liked wet sand’s plot and narrative, I couldn’t really with the love triangle . I absolutely LOVE saezuru!!! it was one of the first yaoi i’ve ever read and it’s one of my all time favs just like under the green light! I’ll check the other two thought!!!
no problem! i also love saezuru, i saw the movie adaptation and it single-handedly made me go back to reading yaoi after a 3 year break lol. flashlight is relatively new, with only 12 chapters so far but i personally like it and i think i’m kinda picky with the stories i decide to read on a long run. i actually made a list to add more stories like these when i find them, so you can check it out if you want. there are still only the ones that i already mentioned though but i’m on a personal mission to find more yaoi where uke is having a blast while being fucked, because i’m really getting bored of seeing him being constantly forced to do something and then it’s brushed off and treated like just a normal way of having sex lol.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/2836261/
the look of utter terror on uke’s face when he saw his brother’s humongous cock…