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Whoever dislike this comment has no heart. I support the pause for Heonjae hate. Baby boy has issues mentally and because of that people has taken advantage of him. It's not his fault why became like that. It's the fault of the people around him

explanation ≠ justification

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Heonjae fan here too, but so far in the raws, the crimes of the teacher is him taking Heonjae's first place cash prizes in the races for himself and only giving Heonjae 1% of it, and him being a selfish prick who trained Heonjae so wrongly that his knee suffered and tore a ligament.

Last we see of the teacher, he became like a homeless guy that comes knocking at the construction company office where Jingi and Heonjae works.

Not sure how Heonjae ends up having s*x with the teacher yet. Hmmm, I'm low key guessing for money maybe?

ILYSM OMG FINALLY I FOUND ANOTHER HEONJAE FAN

Thank you for this my fellow Heonjae supporter

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Just because you were a victim it doesn’t give you the right to becoming an agresor. Which is what Heonjae is. I understand that he had a lot of struggles growing up, which led him to become the person he is now…. But… also… let’s be honest, he does not care about MC the way y’all think he does. He’s doing all of this for his OWN BENEFIT. He’s infatuated with the MC, he also HURTS the MC. He is no better than Jingi. ALSO. I am not ignoring the fact that he might be autistic. Again… it doesn’t give him the right to do the things he does. HES A CRIMINAL. I hate them all, lmao. However, I want to see where the story goes. Because it’s a decent story. Carry on. I enjoy reading y’all’s points of views. I think we can have peaceful discussions and makes this story more appealing, cause I want to see what people got to say! Haha

i think he might have some form of an obsessive disorder along with the autism. yes im autistic too and i can see some of that in his behavior

just bc he is a victim and neurodivergent does NOT give him the right to act the way he does nor excuse his actions. its simply an explanation. excusing this behaviour just bc of his childhood or mentality. it gives the rest of us a bad rep. we’re allowed to hate heonjae for how he treats meongill, we can hate him for his criminal record. but i do agree that hating on him for his neurodivergent traits without knowing why or how it affects him is pretty dumb. excusing his actions and shit on these reasons just places horrible stereotypes on us. hold people accountable for their actions. you cant just let people get away with shit for being nd. “oh dw about my friend here i know he abused you for years both mentally and verbally but its okay bc he has bpd, youll just have to deal with it lol he cant help it<3” thats literally the energy youre giving.

i misspelled myeong-il mb but yeah before anyone comes after me for this take, just know im autistic, have bpd avpd and cptsd. for the love of god stop excusing the bad in people with nd conditions and making the rest of us look bad.

THANK YOU!! That's like saying a man can rape a woman because he was raped in the past. It doesn't justify!!! Then using autism to say he doesn't understand no? I don't think half of these people know what Autism ACTUALLY is, because hes not so high on the spectrum that he can't understand right from wrong

my comment was just agreeing on him being autistic coded. I meant to add what you all have been saying. Im hoping that OP is just saying dont call him a weirdo for this teacher grooming situation? Just to give benefit of the doubt

i don’t think op ever said anything about excusing his actions ? he said to stop hating on heonjae for bs reasons, such as the autistic traits he displays and for potentially being groomed … not for reasonable stuff like being a rapist. bringing irl comparisons into this argument kind of also immediately makes it invalid as it’s not comparable at all as heonjae is not real and it comes across as a bit insensitive to me. op is saying to not call heonjae weird for the autistic traits he displays (which a lot of being accidentally do) and for being potentially groomed (a lot of people have been calling heonjae gross and victim blaming him for it) as of course heonjae will not see these comments bc he’s not real but victims of teacher-student grooming and people who have autism will see those comments. majority of people i’ve seen do not shame heonjae for his actual crimes but for literally everything else

i think a lot of you have this issue of seeing a fictional character on the same level as real people and don’t like to allow anyone to explore characters like this when the only time you *should* be exploring the reasons and motives of a rapist is in a fictional setting. and before YOU come at me, i’m also autistic with c-ptsd. op is also autistic like he said

How many of those are professionally diagnosed, genuinely asking and how old are you

friend i think you misunderstood my comment. i'm saying people need to stop calling him freaky or weird in this specific panel where he's clearly being groomed; also, no, autism doesn't excuse rape? I'm not sure where you got that from my comment

when have i literally ever said that his diagnoses excuse him being a rapist. all i said was stop hating on him *for* these autistic traits and stop calling him a psychopath etc because it's ableist. i never once said "you cant hate him because he's a rapist" BCS he literally is one. ik that. I'm mad at people mischaracterizing him and being ableist in the process. because yes he's a rapist. this entire manhwa has a lot of rape in it. they're criminals. no shit they're gonna be bad people

thank u for being the only person in my replies being lowkey reasonable.
yes it doesn't give him the right to become an aggressor, i hope you know i don't think that, him being a rapist is wrong even if he was raped. i definitely think he cares about MC in his own way, he cares enough to not want MC to think of him badly, to not want to hurt him (consciously) even if consistently violates boundaries and consent
i think him and jingi are on opposite ends of the same spectrum, both bad people but they definitely treat MC badly in different ways

thank you my loyal dickrider.

OMG ILYT WE STAND UNITED

my right hand man right here. we never rest.

I LOVE YOU TOO THANK YOU FOR BEING ON HEONJAES SIDE.

Ok I'm glad its what I thought you meant. I definitely agree that he shouldn't be called weird for this because he was a child and was abused.

im 21 and on prescribed meds thanks<333

if ur 21 then im concerned u dont have the reading comprehension skills to understand wtf I'm saying .

no i do get it??? im quite literally just saying it doesnt excuse his behaviour that hes nd. yes the people who hate him for his lack of social skills and whatever else is weird and wrong but also im simply pointing out that on top of all that, people still can hate him for the fact he has committed crimes regardless if hes a victim or autism coded. “if you hate him so much, stop reading” we’re allowed to read media with characters we hate. and those who excuse his actions because of those reasons are also wrong.

also criticizing anyone for lack of reading comprehension is insane considering you were just going on about an autism coded character and swearing youre not ableist. poor reading comprehension is quite literally an autistic trait

im ngl i did get carried away with my rant before and was not entirely accusing you of excusing his actions. however BECAUSE of my autism i genuinely struggle with reading and take things the wrong way. again, poor reading comprehension is an autistic trait!!!!!!!! the beginning of your comment came across as you defending him lowkey. i cant just magically know youre tone or intention through text. but regardless, thanks for clarifying and apologies for the misunderstanding and miscommunication

girl be quiet im sorry. is no one allowed to criticise you for completely misunderstanding something just because youre autistic? youre grown. im not op but i keep forgetting to mute this thread and this pmo so bad please just admit that your anger abt people using heonjae's nd traits to excuse his actions was misguided instead of implying someone else is ableist and only *then* admitting you were wrong. u have avpd right... then next time please can u just do what avpd makes u do... u know... avoid. goddamn

duddeee you clearly dont know what avpd is. we dont avoid everything hello???? primarily its severely avoiding social situations where we can be exposed to embarrassment, humiliation, or rejection. not discussions on a manga site also paired with bpd im gonna give back the energy given to me. i can admit i misunderstood the beginning of ops post but holy shit. theres no need to criticize someone for misunderstanding. a simple “hey this is what they/i meant” wouldve been lovely

why would i give you that energy when you started off being hostile to me and acting like I'm being ableist and spreading harmful stereotypes? expect people to reply back harshly when you do tf

also you're obviously in the right for hating heonjae for being a rapist but literally why read it at all? the manhwa doesn't portray rape as something horrible, it's porn mixed with plot. you're not gonna get much out of it. i just don't understand why'd u read it

and yet here u are embarrassing urself. duddeee i literally did that. you’re the one who turned this personal by immediately dropping that you have bpd, avpd, and cptsd for NO REASON! bringing up that you have autism i get cuz that was relevant to the topic, but seriously i replied to you saying that op was not saying what you thought they were saying, op replied to another person in this thread saying the exact same thing, yet you didn’t say shit. you only replied when it was something relating to yourself, so don’t sit here acting like you didn’t just try turn this into something it wasn’t from the get go

i mentioned i had those as i had used bpd as an example and didnt want people to tell me not to then attack me for using bpd stereotypes. avpd gets stereotyped badly as well. and cptsd was mentioned as its a criteria for most (if not all) personality disorders. can we not literally just agree that this was a misunderstanding and tone and meaning wasnt clear? still dont see how its so hard to just mention what was meant before picking apart what i said. genuinely i commented, op replied to my comments and others’ and i simply replied to op when they asked if i was diagnosed before being criticized for apparently having poor reading comprehension. to which i informed thats an autism trait and i didnt claim anyone was ableist in the process?? i apologize if it came off that way. after my first set of comments the rest were information. maybe i shouldve used tonetags. i get what was said, again, i was just pointing out that the neurodiverce isnt an excuse and those who hate the nd traits are gross. then i get my disorder trying to be used to criticize me further??? i understand i can come off as stubborn and blunt or cold or whatever but genuinely i was just giving info and am wholeheartedly trying my best to say i understand, its literally just that i misunderstood the first part of ops post. once again, i apologize for the misunderstanding, i apologize for the lack of tonetags, and i apologize for getting frustrated when no one understood my tone.

again i misunderstood the first bit of the post. im very passionate abt making sure harmful stereotypes arent going around as they directly impact me. but after being told i lack reading comprehension (despite saying i was autistic) was what hit me and i took it as a negative angry tone. therefore returning the energy.

ok i understand why you brought up those disorders now and also acknowledge that u misunderstood. i will say that it really did come across as u trying to call op ableist after he said u lacked reading comprehension as you directly mentioned him saying he wasn’t ableist for saying heonjae displayed asd traits as if him saying that to you contradicted it. your tone did come across as hostile initially and as if you were trying to deflect the misunderstanding back onto op — i do understand now that’s not what u were trying to do but i think i should still mention that’s how it came across so you can understand why i / op responded that way. the fact you had misunderstood the beginning of the original comment was only stated after the other comments were made which is why it came off badly. i’m also not making this clarification to try act like you did smth wrong because you’ve said it was a misunderstanding and i believe that, just want to clarify why the conversation seemed to become hostile. but ya i do understand, maybe i could’ve been less rude myself

REAL lmao

╮(￣▽￣)╭ pretty realistic. I've seen guild wars break out for even smaller reasons.

Yes but why is MC being so annoying about it. he's acting like he just got insulted irl. literally log out HELP MEEE

people commit suicide over cyberbullying

people commit suicide over a lot of things

ok thats not my point u said cyberbullying isnt serious yes it is

its serious when it affects your IRL life directly. if you can't put an end to it just by turning off ur computer or logging off as its impacting your irl relationships and life, that's beyond cyberbullying imo as it has direct involvement in ur real life ... but most cyberbullying is in fact, not that srs, or at least not so srs that you cant just log off and call it a day. if it affects your mental health, you still have control over whether it ends or not by simply turning off ur electronics, so its still not that srs

for example ... someone leaving hate comments on ur profile or whatever. log off, delete comments, turn off ur phone. not that srs... someone blackmailing you with something private you sent online and threatening to send it to all of your friends and family? while that's still online, it's impacting your irl life too, thats beyond cyberbullying and is now harassment

so, no... cyberbullying in its actual form isnt that srs, but im assuming ur using cyberbullying as a catchall phrase for stuff that happens online

So you obviously don't know how hate comments and harassment online impact a person mentally when it becomes a constant thing. You can't just "log off" or "delete comments" and "forget" just because you can't see them. Some people aren't that strong mentally. Fudge even the STRONGEST people fall to online hate.

1. The MC is not experiencing this in just the moment. The Mirror girl and her clique have been cyberbullying MC for a while now. It started before Mirror left the guild. Mirror was constantly ignoring and isolating MC from the guild. Now it's escalated and anywhere Mirror goes, she's bullying MC and her guild.

2. It doesn't have to be blackmail or harassment that devolves to real life to harm someone. Some of the most famous cases are Sulli, Jonghyun, etc. They weren't doxxed. But everyday, everyday moment of their online action was criticized. Those "not so srs hate comments" caused them to leave this world behind. So PLEASE stop tryna minimize how someone may be feeling. It's honestly chilling how you think hate comments online can't impact someone when in fact...it has KILLED people. You remind me of the people who hated and made hating Sulli online their entire career. They said the same exact things you said "Our words didn't kill Sulli. She killed herself". Disgusting.

do not bring up sulli and jonghyun in a discussion about a fictional character as that is beyond disrespectful and has completely different contexts as they were famous and had Thousands of people hating on them. though, im unsure if cyberbullying was even why jonghyun committed suicide, he had a history of depression even before debut. as for sulli, again, she had thousands of people hating on her daily to the point it impacted her career, aka her real life. sulli was harassed irl, and again, its different contexts as she is a Real Famous Person. the mc is both not real, and not famous, and has every chance to log off as he does not have paparazzis and bullies following his every move and action

1. Bringing up Sulli and Jonghyun in this context is not disrespectful because it is a moment of learning and acknowledgement of what was done to them. You minimzing cyberbullying is disrespectful and outright disgusting Bruce.

2. 1 hate comment or 1 million hate comments. It makes no difference. Both can send someone over the edge. Until you can learn that, do not speak about this being fictional or not. Real life or fiction doesn't matter. You don't get to minimalise someone's feelings BRUCE.

3. Different context? No this is the same context BRUCE. Online bullying. There is no difference Bruce. Again, as you seem to keep dismissing, "impacting real life" is not judt physcial but mental. That 1 hate comment can make someone become insecure. It can cause them body dymorphia. It can cause a multitude of effects that don't include doxxing, stalking, etc. So you can't just "LOG OFF" Bruce.

3. Don't be a disgusting person who says "it's fictional" so it doesn't matter Bruce. Disgusting online bullies use that same argument when they bully someone to death, "Oh it's just words, we didn't kill her, she did it to herself".

you really can just log off. you can log off right now you know. turn the phone off. put the phone down. you can do that. you don’t need to get this pressed, cyberbullying is seriously not that serious

ive known many people who have attempted suicide/have sh over cyberbullying. and no, occasional hate comments dont count as cyberbullying; i think youre confusing what i was trying to say. the mc of this story isn’t necessarily going through cyberbullying, but you keep insisting that cyberbullying isnt a serious thing. i also read the comment you wrote about how as soon as cyberbullying starts to have a direct effect on your life it isnt considered cyberbullying; youre so poorly misinformed. google is free! go do some more research before commenting ignorant and stupid made up shit again please.

I can stay logged on since I'm not preaching it. You can log off though Bruce. Lead by Example (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

I agree with everything you've said. I would say MC is experiencing mild Cyberbullying though, like the initial stages that could very well escalate if there is no intervention by either the victim or those around the victim.

"What Is Cyberbullying? Cyberbullying is the use of technology to harass, threaten, embarrass, or target another person. Online threats and mean, aggressive, or rude texts, tweets, posts, or messages all count. So does posting personal information, pictures, or videos designed to hurt or embarrass someone else."

Which MC is experiencing. Mirror Ignores and Isolates MC while she is with the guild. Than this escalates to her leaving and instigating a whole guild to engage in this behavior with her. Now they aren't just actively trying to isolate and ignore MC. They are trash talking/putting down MC in his presence. Making him feel inferior intentionally. It's very highschool wannabe bullying tactics.

It's always a slow gradual escalation, never full force.

i totally agree! i just thought that if i outright said that what the mc was going through was also pretty much mild cyberbullying the og commenter would get all mad and throw a fit about how "its not encroaching on his real life so its not harmful"

oh i just realized it was two people bitching and not just one oops...

Bruce is allergic to Cyberbullying.

it’s just not that serious though! >.< if cyberbullying is exclusively online, you seriously have all the control over whether it ends or not, unless it’s directly affecting and relating to your real life so is inescapable even when u log off (which i have literally already said). i’m not talking about mental health, im talking about the actions and how they directly affect your life. as for mental health, that does not change how it’s still completely in your control to just log off or move accounts or anything else. the equation of mental health being impacted is irrelevant to what i was saying. if someone kills themself because of cyberbullying, there is almost always an outside factor. which is why the other person bringing up sulli was extremely disrespectful as it’s not comparable at all, i know that wasn’t you but i thought to mention it

i also know people who have been cyberbullied, i know people who have been both bullied irl and cyberbullied. the former was always worse im sorry but if cyberbullying is seriously affecting you im sincere when i say maybe certain online spaces aren’t for you until you're in a better mental health state or headspace. i’m not “throwing a fit” i’m just very tired of ppl acting like cyberbullying is more srs than it is and trying to include themselves in conversations about abuse and bullying that they do not belong in

i hadn’t replied to you for almost 12 hours and you’re still talking about me, that’s what’s crazy! your replies are meaningless and make no sense, at least the other person seems to actually know what they’re talking about. i really won’t reply to you if you reply again because im not interested in a conversation with someone who’s clearly not competent enough to respond back >_<

Just log out Bruce

while i agree that irl bullying is almost always more harmful and impactful than cyberbullying, cyberbullying doesnt have to be something like doxxing, or like you said, “directly affecting your real life” for it to be serious. mental health IS as important as physical well being. expanding on what ive iterated, ive had friends who were of good mental health who got severely cyberbullied (hate comments, targeted posts) and became very insecure and depressed. i dont think you should invalidate those who have been cyberbullied; though i understand that it may seem that its not that serious because its online, there have been multiple scientific studies on the effects of cyberbullying on psychological well being. i think our discrepancy in opinion stems from the fact that i personally (and as defined in scientific studies and journals) define cyberbullying as repeated and aggressive harassment towards a victim, while you might be thinking that occasional hate comments or arguments with people online also count as cyberbullying. of course in cases like those its easy to log off or turn off your device.

i classify cyberbullying in the same way you do, but it's easy to put an end to it granted they don't have blackmail on you or any personal info like that. that's something i have never denied, i am aware there are nuances like that. i have also never denied the mental health affects it can have on ppl -- i struggle with mental health issues myself and have my entire life, but the way the actions affect someone does not change the severity of those actions

what affects someone in one way may have 0 affect on another person, but the action is still the same with the same severity. i don't think cyberbullying in most cases is severe or serious, even if it affects people in that way. do i think people should be cyberbullied ? no, i'm aware that cyberbullying is hurtful regardless of my stance on the severity of it, but do i also think it's that serious ? in most cases, also no

tho in relation to the bl we're talking about, that's an example of it being not serious at all, and the situation in the bl is what op was referencing when he said 'just log off.' i think the conversation has been derailed a lot, which is of course my fault too. i don't agree with you and i don't think i ever will, but i do respect ur opinion and that you have had people hurt by cyberbullying

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