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It doesn’t justify the things he’s done but he’s a very human character and people relate to that. I enjoy him as a character

Yeah, his traumas molded him, so people can relate to that

For the interesting people downvoting, here’s a cute little list of all the shit he’s done!

1. Sexual harassment (self-exposing to women to discomfort them)
2. Intentionally (and dangerously) distressing an animal because it wasn’t responding to him
3. Told his GRIEVING FATHER that he hates him (for something that wasn’t his fault) and acted like an overall shithead, then got traumatized when the father stopped liking him.
4. Blackmail
5. Attempted murder, assault
6. Spent like half the series trying to isolate Skylar, who was trying to heal from previous social trauma
7. Has issues with his own vulnerability, yet capitalizes on Skylar’s vulnerabilities
8. Intentionally tried to depress Skylar

Etc etc etc. Truly a piece of work, manipulative, unlikeable shithead of a character.

He’s definitely well-written, and a very interesting/strong character. But the way people LIKE (outside of a character-writing sense) Cirrus astounds me. He’s definitely a ‘human’ character, but absolutely a morally red character.

womp womp

u when mentally ill person does things that a mentally ill person does:
cirrus is HEAVILY implied to have bpd, which obviously doesn't excuse his actions but it definitely helps to understand him more. HE WAS A KID!!! WHO JUST LOST HIS MOTHER!!! DID U EXPECT HIM TO JUST BEHAVE LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED???? both him and his dad suffered but the difference is that CIRRUS WAS 7!! HIS DAD WAS A GROWN ASS ADULT did u forget how he said he would rather cirrus die insead of his wife AND CIRRUS HEARD HIM SAY THAT TOO JUST WHEN HE WAS ABT TO GO APOLOGIZE TO HIM FOR HIS BEHAVIOR. "distressing an animal" bffr once again he was just a kid and he was acting on impulse because he had no one else there for him and when even an animal rejected him, he just lost it but as he said, he didn't actually want to hurt it, it wasn't his intention. "attempted murder" this bitch fucking deserved that lmaooo "intentionally tried to depress Skylar" tf does that even mean.
i would reaaaallyy recommend for u to look up what bpd is and maybe reread the series cause it's clear u completely misunderstood it and cirrus' characters. there's plenty of explanations on tiktok and twitter of how cirrus is bpd coded too. it baffles me how someone can misunderstand the story so much tbh i feel bad for paskim that people like u read her work lol

“He’s just a kid” “but his mom died” notice how none of those things are reasonable or acceptable reasons for sexual harassment, animal cruelty, attempted murder, assault, etc? At 7 years old, you would intentionally distress animals and unjustly blame/hate people for huge things like someone else’s death? Sounds like you have some issues.
I can live with personality disorders and disabilities without being a disgusting, manipulative, intentionally-harmful person. Hope this helps!

Ps, Cirrus intentionally tried to depress Skylar by constantly placing him in situations he knew would make him feel despair/hopelessness. This is a re-occurring theme in the story, as Cirrus doesn’t give a flying fuck about what’s best for Skylar.

Literally everyone knows Skylar has BPD, doesn’t make his actions excusable or reasonable. Not that you’d know much about that, given you think a woman with a selfish, bitchy personality who minds her business for the most part deserved to experience attempted murder. Also, this is the SAME ARTIST who wrote sheep’s mask, so to pretend like when she writes a clearly disgusting character she intends to make their actions excusable is crazy. Cirrus was a nasty piece of shit to his father BEFORE hearing him say that he wishes it was Cirrus instead.

Girl not you getting mad at pixels in an illegal website. And the way your analysis of Cirrus’s character is so wrong and downplayed. Go worry about real life problems

Quote exactly which part I said that is incorrect, i’ll wait ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I'm just gonna say this, if you expect this man to be some kind of perfect character then this ain't for you, cirrus is obviously a complex character that has faced extreme isolation and abandonment issues, he's not gonna be perfect lol, human beings don't exist in a vacuum. Like that person said those are reasons as to why he's like that. The story doesn't excuse his actions, but give reasons to them. I'm not defending him, I just think you don't understand him as a character. People like him for whatever reasons, and they are allowed to. As they say if you don't like it ignore it

I don't condone his behavior but his dad was definitely a POS first. He said to his GRIEVING SON that he wished him to be dead instead of his wife. He was an adult who was supposed to help his child to process the grief. If he couldn't do it himself he should've paid for professional help. Money doesn't seem to be a problem for him. Instead he traumatized his son even further, left him with no support at the most vulnerable time of his life. Which resulted in Cirrus' SA because predators love that shit. That dad deserves to burn in hell.

I totally agree that the dad is a shit character that completely let his son down, but it should be noted that he said those things (wishing it was Cirrus instead of lover) AFTER hearing Cirrus say that he hates him and started rejecting his affections. Cirrus was the first one to be outwardly nasty in their relationship, not that it would excuse the way he treated his kid

It makes sense that his awful personality stems from his experiences, i’m not saying that he’s poorly written or bad as a character-build. He’s just a terrible terrible person, which is why I can’t understand people liking him as a ‘person.’ (As in the personality and heart of a character, not the quality of the writing)

Girly I think your forgetting he's a child, that is normal for children going through grief to act out, they don't understand the situation so they act out. But yeah his dad deserves hell, I agree with you he's not a good person just a mentally fucked up one

You drastically overlook the power dynamic between the 7 year old kid and an adult man who is supposed to be his caregiver.

Cirrus was being “nasty” cuz it’s how kids grieve their parents’ death in some cases. Especially when his father didn’t give him a chance to properly grieve his mom’s death which you can see in a piano scene (ch 74) where his father lets himself cry but when Cirrus tries to express his grieve, he shuts his mouth with his hand.

In ch. 75 Cirrus even goes to his dads room to apologise for throwing a fit (which you conveniently ignore) while his dad literally a middle aged grown man never apologised for hurting his kid.

You can hate the current Cirrus as much as you want but don’t try to villainise a child who had a good faith in every adult: his father, first stepmother, teacher, nanny but ended up being abandoned and betrayed by all of them.

You say that Cirrus is well written, but you definitely don’t understand his character at all, regardless whether you like him or not.

Exactly what I mean. That's why his dad should've seeked professional help for both himself and his kid. He had hard time handling grief himself yet expected Cirrus to somehow just get over it. And I still can't forgive him for allowing one of his mistresses to throw away all of mom's belongings treasured by his child.

i dont know who you are but shut the fuck up please. Hes a mentally ill child whos gone through so much shit and you expect him to be a fucking green flag?

I'm not trying to make you like him, since you have the right to dislike who you want, but if you care to read my opinion about it:

You are right, Cirrus is a mentally ill person who is very manipulative and nasty, i can't "defend" him in things revolving Skylar (blackmail, isolating, purposely putting on stressful situations) since he was actually a pure asshole there, instead i can only explain the reasoning behind other items you mentioned.
Number 2 and 3: many have already said but he was a child who lost his mother, and that DOES excuse it. Seven years old aren't actually that mature and if not given proper advice and vigilance around how to treat animals they WILL mistreat it, in Cirrus case he acted out because of his neglectment and resentment towards his father mistresses, and i know many people when as a child indeed up hurting and even killing small animals because they didn't know better! (For example, my dad and his brothers once killed a bunch of baby chickens by throwing them at the wall like balloons, sad and terrifying, i know, he isn't proud of that but he was a child younger than 10yo). And about him telling his GRIEVING FATHER that he hate him was because he actually was a GRIEVING CHILD! He was confused and emotional with the sudden change in his daily life without his mother, yes, the father had the right to mourn and get hurt by his kid words, but the problem is that he was grown man, Cirrus wasn't. And the most heartbreaking thing is, Cirrus actually understood that he hurt his father and went to apologize, then he heard that whole "i can't love him anymore, etc", that affected him a LOT, but they could have bonded over it if his father had simply gone after him, hugged, apologized and heard him cry. Even if it took him some time (minutes or hours to regain his reasoning), he HAD to reach out and talk it with Cirrus. But instead he decided to be a neglectful father who brought many unknown young women and let them be 24/7 alone with his child who can't deal with changes, what a great idea right? And here i thought you had to be smart to be rich lol...
Welp, now, to the sexual harassment part, yup he was NASTY, not the best way to deal with it, but would doing something else really fix the problem? Those women weren't there to be his parent, they were there for the money, I wouldn't want to live with a unknown woman who is supposed to be my mother but don't give a shit about me, and pleading to his father didn't help, so those women wouldn't leave for anything except if he wasn't inconvenient. So i can excuse him a bit in that one, and did that really harm those woman? Just was like i said, inconvenient, it isn't like they got emotionally/psychologically hurt by seeing a teen's dick.
The attempt murder was REALLY bad and she didn't deserve to die, but for sure be punched. She isn't innocent, she never cared for him and was only polite when they first met, she don't give a fuck about his personal space and does the same things Cirrus do (puts him in stressful situations like Candy "dissappearence", sexual harassment: fuck his father in HIS room knowing there's a cam and manipulation around his father), and the worst part is, she is a bystander to his father abuse, she prefers to see him get spanked just so she can live in luxury and get revenge for his petty acts (embarassing her in front of her "friends"). And she must have done a lot of things who weren't show ever since they started living together who triggered Cirrus to be so extreme. So yeah, doesn't change that fact, but obviously explains it.

Basically, he is relatable because he is HUMAN, he adapts from his life's experiences and surroudings! Throughout the series he is a very mean person but you can see him gradually changing by having a positive influence on him: Skylar. They are like "negative + negative = positive" because both are mentally ill people who actually gets better by being with each other and facing their dark past because of their exposure.
Him changing is what makes him likable, he gives us hope, i'm sure that all the readers and enjoyers of LTOC are people who suffered things that molded them into who they are now, and feel like they are incapable of changing, but by seeing this piece of shit who also suffered tons of shit actually change is inspiring. Paskim did a good writing because she could show that slow change, and that's why people are saying you didn't properly understand the manhwa or the character.

Kinda embarrassed of how long it is and of the wording mistakes, but would appreciate if people with different opinions reply! It's always nice to have others pov's since I can be ignorant in some points when talking about things I'm interested in...

This would make sense if there were even remote signs of him becoming a better person over time, but so far he simply has not. He’s still extremely self-centered, and intentionally distresses Skyler despite Skyler recovering from his past. And i’m not sure why everyone in this comment thread is acting like 7 years old isn’t WAY beyond old enough to understand basic empathy and know to not abuse animals, especially due to the fact that before then (the death) he had evidently grown up in a loving home. The father absolutely did let Cirrus grieve (ex: Cirrus screaming for his mom literally all the time and blaming his father for it, actively mistreating his father at his grown ass age) but eventually couldn’t take it anymore. Not saying him covering Cirrus’ mouth was right, but it’s not like the father thought he could openly grieve while cirrus couldn’t.

Also, I personally wouldn’t use the excuse of not liking someone to literally sexually harass them as a MINOR, but that’s just me apparently

When Cirrus attempts to apologize to his father (conveniently when he feels like going to his room because he’s scared), he focuses on his most recent tantrum (where he screams that he HATES his father and demands he bring his dead lover back?? At his grown age??)
His father lets him openly grieve and even blame him for a long time, and tries to keep his own grief behind closed doors (only crying when cirrus can’t see him clearly or once when he reached his breaking point.) The treated Cirrus with particular tolerance.

Just go read another book. No one force you to to read all 93 chapters with him in it...smh

You just called 7 years old a grown age… that says more than enough

At 7 years old, I wasn’t a complete brainless idiot that took my anger out on everyone else around me including ANIMALS. Hole this helps!

Can you ead? I never said I didn’t like it, I even said that Cirrus is extremely well-written. He’s just a piece of shit character, gain some literacy skills.

Wow you were so mature and amazing, you must’ve had so many great people around that helped you and guided you

Unlike cirrus who was left alone to process his grief and emotions. If you treat children like they’re adults you’ll have teens who can’t process normal emotions the same way. If you need anymore help, educate yourself by reading a article or two! It’ll safe you from being ignorant.

Cute try, but I was neglected as a child by both parents medically and emotionally, grew up with unattended to neurological disorders and was bullied all through my developmental years for disabilities, and never once did I abuse animals or behave the way Cirrus did at his (WAY old enough to know better) age of 7. It’s called having bare-minimum empathy and decency

Cirrus was never expected to act like an adult by his father, and his father actively stated that they would ‘get through this together.’ Cirrus’ father allowed cirrus to blame him for his own lover’s death while he himself was grieving, and made an obvious effort to keep his own depression and panic under wraps by crying when cirrus can’t see him. Obviously he had a breaking point and lashed out, which is wrong, but cirrus was obviously being cruel.

well that's good that u grew up to be a normal person but take in mind that not everyone lives through traumatic experiences the same. u keep on saying how he abuses animals but we literally explained to u why he behaved the way he did when he was 7. did u forget how he literally has a dog which he treats like she's the most important thing in the world for him? he cares for her A LOT.

cirrus was 7, his dad was a grown ass adult. i don't know if u forgot but cirrus was also grieving, he just lost her mother HOW THE FUCK do u expect a 7 years old to behave after something like this. he won't behave like an adult. u should understand that kids saying that they hate their parents is a common thing and it shouldn't really be taken seriously. they react this way when parents tell them that they can't do something that they want or when they take their fav toy for example. they don't know what they're saying BECAUSE THEY'RE KIDS AND CIRRUS WAS A KID TOO FOR FUCKS SAKE. his dad was supposed to be strong figure in his life, he was supposed to take care of his son and be there for him. yet gave up after a very short of time and completely neglected him. kids fight with their parents all the time because they're not yet fully aware of what they're doing but its not a reason for their parents to wish they were death for this, completely neglect them and abuse them. why do u blame cirrus for ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, u completely don't understand his character and how much of a scar his childhool left on him. it's a good think u grew up to be a normal person even with trauma but as i said, not everyone will do the same. u literally have no empathy. with the way u blame cirrus for everything I wouldn't be surprised if u also blamed him for getting SA'd by his teacher huh? which he couldn't tell anyone abt because, guess what, HE WAS NEGLECTED BY EVERYONE, HE COULDN'T TELL ANYONE. he had to live with this alone for 10 YEARS

I’d expect a 7-year old (old enough to be intelligent and empathetic and sensible enough) to NOT blame their remaining grieving parent for their lover’s death. I’d also expect a 7-year old to not mistreat animals, because at that age they absolutely know better. His father DID try to be there for him (ex: we’ll get through this together, comforting him despite his own grief and hiding his own distress until his breaking point). I don’t blame cirrus for absolutely everything, just saying he’s not a good person and never has been for the entirety of this series. Not saying cirrus deserved literally anything that happened to him that made him even worse, but yeesh.
Also, very typical for you to jump to the crazy assumption that I think he deserved SA, when one of the reasons cirrus himself is a dislikable character is the fact he sexually harasses MULTIPLE people. Maybe put your thinking cap for once and stop making up random false-emotional shit instead of defending his shit, disgusting behavior? ╮(￣▽￣)╭

You think there are reasonable ‘explanations’ to committing by-definition animal abuse? Yikes, that dog is literally the only thing cirrus doesn’t try to manipulate and mistreat lol

You don't have to shit on my comment you know... Anyway I understood your reasoning but I kinda get influenced by comments to not read books so your comments only kinda made me hesitate...

I definitely recommend reading it as it’s emotions and series of events are super extremely well-written, the art is great too. I was just saying that I had no idea how people could like a specific character, and a bunch of POS defenders came for me lol

Well in my opinion I don't exactly hate him nor do I like him. I mean compared to other red flags bl I think he's the greenest red flag
What do you think??

But to be honest I did feel like strangling him sometimes but that will be after he sends his dad to hell lmao (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

You’re so right, It’s true that he’s definitely not the worst out there, but there truly are zero green flags about him lol. Comparatively, (to the usual fetishization of complete psychos in BL) he isn’t too bad ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Can you recommend some manhwa if it's not a bother. I prefer action with little to no romance but any is good.
Your read is probably interesting(▰˘◡˘▰)

Finally someone else gets it! Skylar shoulda just been with Chan-il and Cirrus shoulda been in THERAPY.

chan-il has a gf hope this helps!

Are you a stalker? You replied to my other post too. The point of the original post still stands tho.

i didn't even notice that it was the same person bruh not everything revolves around u i just got a noti that someone commented on this topic since i also responded here befote

And I hope it stays that way. They're cute(〜￣△￣)〜

SO TRUE i love ri-in and her with chan-il together, i wish we saw more of them

They’ve spent days whining under this comment about how it’s a bad thing I don’t like a manipulative character who commits sexual harassment, attempts murder, and abuses animals lol. Not much of a life to argue with

Skylar not being with Chan-il makes sense because Chan-il is straight and preciously in love with his gf, but there’s no need for Cirrus to be adding salt to Skylar’s wounds by being an absolute ass lol

Do you prefer serious action or like comedic action? I don’t read many non-romance (as I read manga more than anything), but I have a couple!

Both and some fluff romance manga if you could (=・ω・=)

Allright! I’ll try to make a good list, but are you ok with obscure art styles? Lots of the ones I’ve already read definitely have those

As long as it's not too bad I don't mind

5. attempted murder, assualt.
You mean when he strangled the bitch of a stepmother?? you say it like its a bad thing lmaoooo

Idk about you but being selfish and manipulative bitch isn’t really a crime deserving of murder

When I first read it, it seemed like a cop-out to me. Chan-il getting a gf seemed like the ONLY way for skylar to be able to move on and even begin to consider cirrus after he blackmailed and SA’d him. But you’re definitely right about it making sense; it was just wishful thinking on my part lol.

Lol shitting their pants in the replies when someone doesn't like a character who was written with blatantly unlikable traits. And majority of the readers plus the plot itself is already on their side so was it ever that serious? Like your little psychiatric inpatient escapee is going to get a happy ending relax. Honestly, it’s best to just let them ride out the wave of emotions. If nothing else, it’s entertaining to read.

its not, but i dont blame him for acting that way towards her, shes actually evil

y'all mentally ill atp for defending PAST cirrus tf yall superficial af

we like him cos hes painted as a bad person, when he IS a bad person. hes not like jaekyung where the writer tries convincing everyone that hes a good person. we like him BECAUSE hes horrible, and he knows that, and so does the writer. we like him as a character, because hes a complicated, well written character. a character doesn't have to be good morally to be liked by the audience. if youre only capable of liking morally correct charas go read an isekai. its the same way people like the joker and harley quinn. a character thats good no matter what and has an inhumane level of empathy is boring and very very very unrelatable, + most the stuff you mentioned happened when he was a toddler and incapable of emotional regulation. he didnt even KNOW what death meant at that age, + he clearly was alr struggling with some sort of mental issue at that age, so imagine how bad it got when his mom disappeared, his dad wouldnt let him be sad, and then his dad said he wished cirrus died and he hated cirrus. a child cant process that. obviously he said he hated his dad, all he wanted to do was grieve but his dad wasnt letting him or himself be vulnerable and cry in peace. in that situation, you hug the child and say you miss the mom too. you let them come to terms with their sadness, and understand that the mom wont come back no matter how much they cry. you let them depend on you. You DONT force them to bottle it in. thats how you raise an emotionally instable child. this is evident as for his fathers happiness, he forced himself to not be sad when he was doing the coloring. summary; he was too young to understand ANYTHING, and hes traumatised. he needs therapy, a good break from human beings and a massive hug.

Do you lack the ability to understand nuance? I don't think anyone here is defending him the original comment painted Cirrus as a character that should only make black or white decisions, he's a flawed character but you also need to understand the reasons behind that. Y'all are simply hating on Cirrus to increase your ego, most ppl understand he isn't a good person.

Here, because evidently you failed to either read or understand this,
“ He’s definitely well-written, and a very interesting/strong character. But the way people LIKE (outside of a character-writing sense) Cirrus astounds me. He’s definitely a ‘human’ character, but absolutely a morally red character.”
You saying ‘if youre only capable of liking morally correct charas go read an isekai’ would be EXTREMELY idiotic if you actually read what I said lol

You're right just like how u could never like ceaser from roses and champagne

I didnt read what u said, mb, but im not fully computing what u mean by outside of a writing sense tho.. like as in, him as a person??? like excluding what he adds to the story n stuff?? cus even so it makes sense to like him, even if it stems from pity. i like him cos hes relatable and js tickles my brain the right way. wld i wanna be friends w him irl? not a fucking chance. wld i wanna be his therapist? hell yea cos he reminds me of myself

You’re so REAL Ceaser is awesome design-wise, and is a well-written character, but I cannot for the life of me understand people liking (as in being attracted to) a violent rapist. When I read RAS, I ended up interpreting it as a dark comic opposed to a romantic/love-centered one

I’m talking about people liking Cirrus as in being attracted to him and finding his character to be ‘cool’ I like cirrus in the way that he’s EXTREMELY relatable, and you can empathize with him and his situation because he’s a VERY well-written character, and his emotions are really clearly expressed! You’re so right that he does tickle the brain and make you think. I think everyone interpreted my comment as ‘Cirrus sucks as a character,’ which is absolutely crazy given how clear I was

OHHHHH YOU MEAN ATTRACTED TO HIM LIKE THEYD DATE SOMEONE LIKE HIMMMM omg ur absolutely right bc in that case the person attracted has to have some sort of mental problem no shade!! i think people interpreted your 'like' as in just believing hes a well written chara. not like as in attracted to his personality lol im so sorryyy