Is this guy in the hoodie the red haired bully?! That would make an interesting aspect (=・ω・=)
There are still so many people who call him 'pedo'... Please guys, it's not a term you show your anger with. You can sure hate him as much as you want, but even if he is a pervers stupid fool (what he definitely is), I won't put him on a level who suffer from this illness, or felons, rapists and children abusers. That's, by definiton not right, and (from what I think) not fair. I feel sorry for him, because he needs psychological help and has to account for the past. He needs to stop dating young men, that's sure. And I won't say that what he did is morally acceptable, because it's clearly not. But I don't see him as hopeless. There are so many signs that he has deep down a good soul, but because it's too 'realistic' , he is treated worse than real fictional villains?
I spend too much energy in finding my answer to this question, because I just can't understand the hate. And I found many good replies and really interesting discussions.
But seeing so much hate again, I just stop here.
There a two parts, one that tries to see more of his character and one that think too realistic and just want to see him in jail. At some point it's not fun to discuss anymore.
So as my last comment here: I like the blonde (as a character) and I will like him the same way I like Loki, Hisoka, Freeza and every other beloved FICTIONAL person. And some of them are so worse.
*dropping microphone* (づ￣ ³￣)づ
(Sorry, I really wanted to do this microphone thing for so long xD ) (≧∀≦)
There is something really wrong with you if you are really defending his actions, being fictional or real it's not the point.
From a fictional analysis point of view he's not an especially well-rounded character though. Flat and boring with two personality traits, he's a mooch and he's attracted to minors. That's it, two negative traits. I'm guessing the plot right now is gonna be used for some of his character development, but I don't see him getting a lot more interesting anyway.
There are a lot of really well queen fictional villains I definitely prefer over him, simply because they aren't flat characters, they have understandable and maybe even agreeable motivations and they are interesting.
What I discussed before is some people in the comments argued that he's not actually doing anything wrong (assuming he didn't send the picture to the middle schooler), which I take major issue with. He obviously is doing something wrong, which is also reflected in his boring and unlikable personality.
It is the point. Don't tell me, there is no true villain on your favorite list? If so, then okay, then you are the most morally good person in the world.
Please don't say something is wrong with me because I can tell apart whats fiction and whats real. Of course I wouldn't like him as a real person. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
That's a point I understand. When you think that he is uninteresting and flat, well that's how you see it.
I think that he has potential and I don't think he is flat, that's where opinions part, but that's totally okay.
But people hate him because they treat him like a felon and that's why I compared him with other villains (who maybe too were flat or are flat, like Freeza - I mean, he is just pure evil and they still sell merchandise of him).
And yes, saying that he didn't do anything wrong is wrong too.
SAY IT FCKING LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE BACK
Oh wait u used a microphone YES BITCH U SAID IT
The story is set in the real world with characters that act like teenagers and have teenager problems. It's supposed to be realistic so of course people will judge the characters in a way they would judge real people. Unlike Loki, Hisoka, Freeza who are all unrealistic characters in an unrealistic story.
That's the reason why some people want to see him in jail and it's neither unusual nor unreasonable to do this.
If you want to analyze the character then do it and see what happens. Judging by the people who already did that you probably won't encounter that much hate.
same. i usually like villains or really cruel characters. people generally hate them. it’s just fiction. obviously we wouldn’t like them irl.
You're wrong. A pedophile has a fetish for minor. He is a pedophile. (Which he can't control)
But he's not a rapist. (Which he can control)
Get it?
By definiton:
A pedophile has a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.
His type is 16-19 years old. That doesn't make it better, 'pedophile' is just the wrong term. So yes, I got it - by gathering information. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I'm so sad about what happens to this comment section.
There are so many people who are so focused on labeling the blonde guy pedophile, that they call everyone, who tries to analyse his character beneath the surface, a defender of pedophile actions. I really hope you don't just push the down vote button and at least read what I have to say, because that's what a respectful discussion is about: Reading, thinking, answering. Not blaming, not bashing or hating.
It has gotten to a point where people who want to talk about psychological circumstances of a FICTIONAL character have to defeat their moral positions.
I really like, that people are protective and have high standards of moral. The question is, how good moral minded can you be, when you say things like:
"So the Blond man fans are shotacon fans too"
"please don’t have children"
and so on.
When someone disagrees with you, you can at least be respectful and hear him out.
What I find sad too: The wrong use of terms that should be chosen carefully!
Pedophelia is a serious illness and nothing that should be used to label someone just because he did something out of your moral standards.
By definition a 'pedophile' is "an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children." So just from the point of offical definition, the blonde guy is not suffering from this illness. It's important, also for people who really suffer from this, to use the term right.
And I read things like: "He literally tried to rape".
Of course, 'rape' means various things to people. Some of them think 'sexual harassment' is the same as 'rape'. Some didn't even see 'sexual harassment' in any of these chapters. I think, 'sexual harassment' fits the situation better, because, and that's just my perspective, he did not intend to have sex with Park in the car. He tried to kiss him, he got pushed away and after that, he did nothing more than listen to what Park had to say. He didn't forced him to anything. And no, of course IT WAS NOT RIGHT! It was just not rape. Please, use words more carefully.
Some people are just to emotional to get their facts right. I like to discuss things, because you learn and get to know other perspectives. In this case, there is no way to reason with people who are so convinced that the world is black and white, and the blonde guy must be to 100 percent an 'evil dangerous boys-raping felon'. There is no way to talk about the various shapes a character has.
And to make it clear: What the blonde guy is doing, is wrong. But:
I really needed to defend the people who just want to discuss things objective. Because I myself feel really missunderstood. I don't defend the blonde guy, at least he is a perverted idoit. But it's so sad, that I have to defend my own moral standards just because I'm saying, he is by definition either a pedophile nor a rapist.
He is not a felon. He is a fictional human. He has many traits and it should just be fun to analyse him as a character in the story. You can hate him as much as you want, you can blame him and curse him.
But please don't treat us like this as well.
i have to agree with you. Its not that i like him not dislike him but, i see people use the wrong words all the time here and the blonde dude. I just think he's an interesting characters that keeps the plot going. Without him the story could have been possibly worse.
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Where is the share button? This post speaks not only for this manga but also for every comment section I have encountered. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
This^ is exactly what i've been saying too... I have SO many people trying to misrepresent what i'm saying or straight up calling me a shotacon or implying i'm defending his predatory past rather than the bits of good he's shown as a character. It's ridiculous. I've clarified myself VERY well, i have stated SO many times that i'm not defending his predatory ways, but these people gravitate towards saying i'm arguing that pedophilia is okay and once they "establish" that it's just a matter of calling me disgusting and insulting me... At that point all i can say is that it's just fiction.
I 100% agree with you. Finally someone said somethingk thank you~
Bitte nicht wundern, dass ich in Deutsch schreibe aber ich möchte nicht, dass sich eine bestimmte Person angesprochen fühlt und es wieder auf eine endlos Diskussion hinausläuft.
An und für sich würde ich dir ja Recht geben wenn es denn jemanden gäbe der nur daran interessiert ist die Figur zu analysieren aber so jemanden sehe ich hier nicht. Was ich sehe sind haufenweise Leute die Blondie verteidigen weil er ja so nett war und er könnte ja eigentlich verliebt sein und alles ist ganz unschuldig. Vielleicht wurden ihm die Fotos nur untergejubelt und überhaupt vielleicht war der Andere ja gar nicht so jung als er das Schwanzbild bekommen hat usw.
Noch dazu wird hier seit Wochen versucht die Hauptfigur schlecht zureden und selbst jetzt gibt es noch welche die den Blonden verteidigen aber den Teenager kritisieren.
Das hat halt mit Analyse nix zu tun. Da gehts nur darum das Verhalten von Blondie besser aussehen zu lassen.
Question: Everyone here is speaking in english, the entirety of my conversations with you have been in english, why're you speaking another language? What even gave you the impression that anyone here can understand? Genuinely curious.
(I will answer in german this time, because I was asked to, even if I would have liked this conversation would have been for everyone understandable)
Ich glaube, die Leute verteidigen ihn nur in gewissem Maße. Sie sagen keineswegs, dass seine Handlungen harmlos oder gerechtfertigt sind. Es geht darum, mehr als nur sein schlechtes Verhalten zu sehen. Du sagst, du siehst niemanden, der an einer reinen Analyse interessiert ist. Zu dieser gehört aber auch, seine netten Seiten in die Auswertung mit ein zu beziehen. Er ist gegenüber seiner Kollegen und seines Bosses/Freundes durchaus nett. Das entschuldigt nicht sein Fehlverhalten bezüglich der jungen Männer, die er sehr wohl ausnutzt. Keiner hat ihm die Fotos untergejubelt und dass der Adressant minderjährig war steht wohl außer Frage.
Wenn jemand den Blonden verteidigt, dann weil viele das, was er tut, aus teilweise persönlichem, subjektivem Empfinden heraus, aufs Schlimmste verurteilen. Ich würde ihn keinesfalls mit Schwerverbrechern wie Vergewaltigern oder pedophilen Triebtätern auf eine Stufe stellen - das ist in diesem Zusammenhang einfach falsch.
Das Verhalten von ihm wird nicht ins bessere Licht gerückt, es wird aus dem Pulk aus Hass gezogen und (im besten Fall) neutral kategorisiert. Beide Seiten reagieren auf dieses Hin- und Her-Schieben mehr oder minder emotional und einige versuchen dann natürlich, sich durch weniger sinnvolles Abwerten des anderen Parts (in diesem Fall der Hauptfigur) Luft zu verschaffen. Das ändert jedoch nichts daran, dass man den Blonden durchaus auch einfach als Charakter sehen kann, der Potential besitzt - sowohl ins Negative als auch ins Positive.
Ich habe in einem älteren Topic mal erwähnt, dass sich, zum Beispiel, niemand daran stört, dass Vegeta aus Dragonball ganze Völker vernichtet hat. Er hat sich geändert und ist inzwischen der beliebteste Charakter des Franchises. Das ist deshalb möglich, weil Fans ihn eindeutig als fiktiv betrachten. Und obwohl diese Geschichte ebenso fiktiv ist, ist es hier anscheinend viel schlimmer, wenn jemand für den Blonden Sympathie hegt.
Was ich mit meinem Kommentar aber eigentlich aussagen möchte ist, dass ich es nicht in Ordnung finde, während einer Diskussion Leute mit anderen Ansichten herabzuwerten und ihre moralische Kompetenz zu hinterfragen, anstatt mit Fakten zu argumentieren.
I think it was easier to answer in native language and because I'm german too and the reaction applies direct to my topic it's written in german.
This comment is everything. Thank you for this! (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Mir wäre es auch lieber wenn ich in Englisch schreiben könnte aber ich hoffe du verstehst warum ich mir das nervlich gerade nicht zutraue.
Das mag für dich zutreffen aber eben nicht für Alle. Du siehst ja sicher, dass es die letzten paar Seiten nur darum ging, dass manche Leute immer noch versucht haben Blondie in Schutz zu nehmen und nicht ihn zu analysieren woraufhin die "Gegenseite" explodiert ist.
Natürlich gehört zu einer Analyse alle Facetten seiner Persönlichkeit miteinzubeziehen aber wenn die Betonung immer nur auf seinen positiven Seiten liegt dann ist das für mich keine Analyse mehr.
Zumal die Tatsache, dass er zu manchen auch freundlich oder nett sein kann nichts außergewöhnliches. Selbst die schlimmsten Verbrecher der Menschheitsgeschichte werden/wurden manchmal von den Menschen aus ihren Umkreis als unauffällig, nett etc. bezeichnet. Trotzdem wird jedes Mal wenn eine kriminelle oder moralische zweifelhafte Figur auftaucht mit denen manche aus welchen Gründen auch immer sympathisieren versucht sie mit solchen Gründen zu verteidigen.
Ich kenne mich zwar mit Dragon Ball nicht aus aber ich behaupte mal Vegeta vernichtet nicht mehr ganze Völker. Blondie jagt aber immer noch Minderjährigen nach. Gerade die letzten zwei Kapitel waren eben für viele ein eindeutiges Zeichen dafür, dass er sich nicht geändert hat.
Es hat auch nicht geholfen, dass die diejenigen, die Blondie noch mögen teils eher aggressiv reagiert hat. Mir wurde z.B. vorgeworfen ich wäre nicht in der Lage die Geschichte zu verstehen und dann wurde die Diskussion für beendet erklärt.
Und ich glaube das wars was hier viele so wütend gemacht hat oder immer noch macht.
Damit will ich die generellen Beleidigungen nicht verteidigen aber sie kamen nun mal nicht aus dem Nichts.
Und das wars eigentlich. Mehr hab ich dazu nicht zu sagen. Im Prinzip hat es mich nur gestört, dass es in deinem ursprünglichen Beitrag so klang als wären nur eine Seite schuld an der aktuellen Stimmung hier.
Oh cool.
I agree that it's important for us to remain respectful in comments sections. I also think its admirable to look at the circumstances of a character and not see them as just "black and white". In fact I'm actually a fan of the blond guy. He's a very interesting character. I look forward to seeing what will happen with him next. I'm rooting for therapy. I think the author did a tremendous job of getting people engaged and thinking in depth about this topic.
I think its hard for many of us not to be pretty passionate about the topic of this discussion. We've gone a lot into semantics about what is or isn't pedophilia and what is or isn't legal. But I think in most threads it can be difficult to surmise if people at the very least understand that his actions are very very wrong. Personally, I think its much more important that people know that this is morally reprehensible than know the exact definition of pedophilia. It doesn't matter to me that the blond guy is nice in person or that I kinda liked him until now. It doesn't matter if he is an ephebophile. It doesn't matter that he's a lonely, broken-hearted person. Regardless of how you classify it, his actions will never be okay with me. Maybe that's because I grew up in the era of tv shows like To Catch a Predator but maybe I would have felt this way wherever I grew up.
If everyone is in agreement that he has a pattern of doing terrible things and deserves to see some consequences for it, then I certainly would have no argument. I think in general the comments section would seem much less intense. It would also be an easier climate to discuss the minutia of his preferences, motivations, or consequences. A respectful discussion where no one defends sexual predators, and people only dissect characterization and plot without attacking each other is the type of comments section that I would prefer too.
(But if people don't agree with this, then most respectfully, I have to say I think their morals are completely out of wack, and maybe they should try listening to what everyone is saying as well.) （￣へ￣）
I see what you mean by being careful with words because they have their specific meanings. I've acknowledged that in past comments with people who are really fixated on letting the rest of us know the difference between pedo/hebe/ephebophilia. I just don't think that it's worth it to focus so much on those particulars because what's the point? Is blond guy redeemable if he's an ephebophile rather than a pedophile? That's what some people seem to be saying. That's what I'm taking issue with.
That's the same argument that people like to bring forward when they argue that all forms of sexual harassment are rape... Then you've got these "rape victims" who compare their experience of a guy grabbing their boob to the experience of an actual rape victim who was held down and penetrated against their will... No, neither is morally good, but one is worse than the other, the two aren't interchangeable. This is especially made clear in that pedophilia is classified as a mental disorder while as ephebophilia is just a sexual preference.
Wait, wait, wait... Why is everyone saying the blonde guy is a pedophile? His type are school boys in the age of 17-19 (which is creepy, I know) but a pedophilia means that an adult has a "sexual attraction to prepubescent children", so childeren under 13 years. He doesn't like children, he likes innocence, school outfits and young MEN. Of cource it would be better to find someone his age. But just take a look at:
Junjou Romantica: Misaki Takahashi 18, Akihiko Usami 28.
Super Lovers: Kaidou Ren 15 (!) , Kaidou Haru 22.
Fushidara na Hanatsumi Otoko: Kotaro 22, Ayumi 32.
And the blonde guy doesn't force anyone to kiss or something. Yes, he tried with Seungtaek, but he stopped when he finds out, that it's really not a game played Seunghee.
Want examples for "from 'forcing' to love"?
Finder, Sekaiichi Hatsukoi, Royal Servant, Scent of a witch, Caste Heaven, Boku o Warui Ko ni Shite, If you hate me that much and so on.
There is a big range from 'rape' to 'I say "no, I don't want to" but I actually want to' in mangas, but this blonde guy here gets so much hate, while often 'it's ture love' in the other mangas? (the opinion of the most readers)
In some comments, the blonde guy is treated like a felon! And I just don't get it.
Everyone loves Vegeta from Dragonball - Vegeta killed thousands of people.
Everyone loves Chrollo from HxH - He killed children because of making money with their eyes.
Everyone loves Sebastian from Black Butler - He is a DEMON.
That blonde old guy is just a character like Vegeta, Chrollo and Sebastian, but he gets all the hate? Why? Because he what? Dates an 18 years old guy?
I really needed to say this ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I still love the old blonde guy (not yet as a person but as a character in the story). And why do I love him? Because he is interesting! He is not that bad to hate him and not nice enough to get bored. I liked him from the moment, I knew he would be a bigger part of the story. Of course at the beginning I was like "oh nooo, not a jerk like that!" but I think he is one of the characters that will change. And so I'm sure that he at least respects the main character. And I think they really share some empathy for each other. That doesn't mean, he is not someone who likes to date young boys or that this is not a bad thing. But when he talked with the main character, I saw some hope for him and I think he honestly felt something new. Maybe he is still a jerk towards other people, but liking a boy for who he is and not because of the school boy look, is the first step in the right direction. So, from what I see: He is a jerk, but a nice person deep down, who really likes the main character and who has to change - and I hope that he will, because that's what makes a story (and a character) interesting! ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Vampires are always like "I don't want to live forever, I'm a monster, I'm lonely".
I mean, first, you don't live "forever", there are still many things that can kill you. And second, who doesn't want to have more time and be stronger? Also, even the human life consits of meeting new friends after a while or losing someone, that's nearly inescapable.
Of course, blood drinking and not going in the sunlight is hard, but if that's all, here I come! ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Yeah they don't live forever but they are able to meaning that if all the people they care about aren't like him they are going to die. And I who wants to see all their friends, family, and lover die one by one. Another thought he's he could make new friends but it wouldn't be the same.（￣へ￣）
But they die, if you live or die after them/before them, it doesn't matter. Vampire or not, it's hard anyways.
I like that, chill out millenial vampire
"Yeah, I keep losing friends, but again, who doesn't! ╮(￣▽￣)╭"
Few more minor points being a vampire or Immortal besides their weaknesses:
# You still need money to buy stuff, because come on, clothes doesn't live forever and money won't save up themselves. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
You'll work forever and keep changing jobs to not let your secret out why you don't age.
(unless you find work you can do at home)
# So keeping a secret is hard, unless you decide to tell and become a forever living experiment.
# Then you have problems of registers, forever paying taxes, and other bills (unless you know how to live like a caveman then you'll be fine -I think)
# It also depends on your age when you turned to be one, since you won't age. So if your still a minor you forever must go to schools over and over again (unless you can somehow trick society that your an adult having a baby face. You might get the chance on drinking or smoking if you need that)
Personally I would hate all that haha. Life as a human already sucks (￣∇￣")
Just imagine the worst of being a human and multiply it FOREVER XD
Also living with a perpetual "kids there days..." mood, forever grumpy XD
xD that's kinda right ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I think there are many ways to earn money. Of course it would be hard in the first century, but when you've built capital (and you would have enough time for that) you can invest or something. When you fail or lose money, you would have enough time too to rebuilt your capital without being afraid of your pension. You would also learn with the time, what best to do with money and how to change jobs and identity and so on.
And yes, the age could be a problem, but I think a good range is from 20 to 40. But it would be the taste of the vampire on what age he turns you. When the vampire is not in kids or old people (in drinking their blood or whatever), the chances are mit that bad.
And well, if that's the price for skipping death for a few centurys or even more, I would do that. Because, who says: "I'm so tired of working and living and of the great things in live too (because they still exist too), I just want to die now." (I mean a not depressed person of course) Well, personally, I'm not that type of person. There is just to much to do in this world, time is so much worth. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Hmm I rather have the power to travel in time, then can do the things I forgot to do, or redo the mistakes I made rather than live forever, and seeing things you never imagine to come out. (Still life is limited doing so)
Who knows what the future might be: I don't wanna live forever when global wars breaks out or the apocalipse finally came. Then I don't think there's gonna be time for joys rather living a lifelong hell on earth Σ(っ°Д °;)っ
But looking on the bright sides of things there are some fun stuff if people stop being stupid and hungry for power. Then Immortal life would be much appreciated
(except if it turns out the whole world gonna be a Immortal being then they shouldn't make more babies. Imagine the earth being to crowded with all immortals living on it the earth might explode haha)
This is interesting. DG askes Jiwon that kind of question?
To get to the point: I think no one of them loves the other person so far. DG only likes Alex not Jiwon. When he said he loves Jiwon he just projects his admiration towards Alex on Jiwon. There is no way he could like him as a person, because he doesn't know much about him and not enough to be truly in love.
And Jiwon still suffers from his previous relationship. He is a natural born love-at-first-sight-person, who is traumatized and trys to gain strength by only focusing on superficiality. He is about to feel again, not in love, but quite about to overcome his fears.
What they need to really fall in love now, is trust. And that will be a long way to go.
And I'm excited to see that ヾ(☆▽☆)
I'm so unsure about what happend. Should I be happy or sad?
Sangwo is a murderer. He is also a victim. He is a mentally ill person.
So, does he deserve death? Or just to be stopped and helped? I'm emotionally so confused! I can't stop thinking about how innocent he was as a child, but he also did horrible things... Thanks, Koogi, for ruining my sense of justice (╯°Д °)╯╧╧