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I think you're missing the point of the story. It's because she doesn't act like other ladies that is she gets away with what she says and does. Honestly the only one pointing out her flaws is her cheating bastard of a fiance, everyone else actually likes her. And the prince......well he's not exactly the commanding type, now is he?

The post was about the girl following the writing not the mc

I mean, she is the antagonist for a reason. She's supposed to be hated

im talking about the girl who thinks shes the "heroine", not our main girl

Her behaviour is fitting of an antagonist. but the way other people let her get away with it is too absurb. If she was a princess I could understand but she is just a low rank noble so for her to insult someone from higher rank (the main girl), and act like shes an equal to the prince is a big plot hole.

Antagonist can be devilish AND both interesting/ realistic done too. This one wasn't it for me.

Sorry, the other girl registered so low on the memory scale that when I read "Heroine" I thought only of Yulia. Now that I'm on the same page, you're right. Her behavior is not something that would normally be tolerated, but for the sake of the "plot" and the fact that those involved in correcting her already know what's going on, she is being allowed to continue for now. Plus you have to remember her biggest support is coming from the son of a Marquis, which is a higher title than Baron or even Yulia's father, who is a Count. With Yulia's idiot fiance backing the idiot Baron's daughter, there is little Yulia can and others can do other than reprimand the "heroine". The only one in that group that has a higher social standing is the prince, and he doesn't want to even get involved.

r/pussypass

well about her being ridiculously disrepectful and things but others just did nothing, i simply think it's Matilda's power since the flow in the story up til now, Banana is still the "mc" or something (sorry idk how to express in detail..)
but about the prince part, his behaviour toward Banana just makes my image of princes break down srlly :((
he's kinda cute when he's with our real MC but idk i dont sense the strong cool his highness-vibe from him :vv
well it makes sense for the *ikemen* page of our Yulian :))))

It stared updating again this year on the official (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

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well not really a "sequel" but side stories but still im happy to be able to read more ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

I think it was good that Tia shows to move beyond her fear, rage, and any sense of vengeance against Blue Boy. It would only hold her back. I don't think her moving on was about forgiving him, but about forgiving herself for all she endured out of her own sense of duty and what she thought was love.

The biggest legacy of such abuse is how, when a person escapes it, they look back and wonder, "How did I put up with that? How did I think that was love?" It's destructive to the sense of self. I was once in a very unhealthy relationship and when I left I was haunted for a long time by "How did I let myself become someone who thought that was all right?"

We like to think we would never become a victim of abuse, yet it creeps in so slowly and we become blind to the problems. Yes, the other person hurt you, but you also feel that you allowed it and that is far worse.

To me, Tia is working through not being someone who lets herself get so caught up in her obligations to others that she forgets her own heart.

I feel like none of the current male leads really suit Tia. She'll have to lower her character to work at all with them. She's become such a strong lead that it would take a completely different type of male protag to suit her. Probably the author will just settle with Blue Boy since Tia will likely decide she wants to be the Empress in the end to protect her family and friends.

She could just forgive and forget but why in the world she fall for him all over again, why can't she just moved on and lead a different life? Maybe the present Prince was a bit different from before, but even in the present, He still hates and resent Tia. I remember when The Chancellor praised Tia in front of him for the Luxury Tax. and The Prince openly show his hatred, even if Tia doesn't remember her past, she could still sense such hostility, and still The Prince have the audacity to ask why Tia Fear him so much, when he never do anything to her (yet). I could also ask The Prince the same, why he hates Tia so much when she never did anything to him?

I predicted in the past the reason why The Prince hates Tia because He always being compared to her, and his father treated Tia so dearly but cold toward him but I thought there is more than that but reading the spoiler, it really isn't. Whether in the past or the present. he suffered from inferiority complex because Tia was better than him. that's the reason why he hates her and his petty jealousy lead him to abuse Tia mentally and physically. And I could never forgive him, he know Tia long before she turn back in time, the innocent and gentle Tia who treat him with pure affection, and he also close with her mother, in her final moment she even asked him to take care of her daughter, even if in the past, Tia later on become a cold person because she lived in such environment, still she never do something wrong nor did him any harm, so his action are unforgivable.


I like the story so I'm not gonna drop it, I just gonna ignore the shitty ending, because the character development was so well build unlike others reincarnation story where the female lead given a lottery ticket in their second life, Tia wasn't, even though she knew what would happened, she still need to overcome everything with her own strength and I like her relationship with her father, I cry a bucket every time they came into picture.

I think prince has more reasons to hate Tia, especially in the past ( I think Tia said something about her mother that made prince completly hate her, but we don''t know what) plus there is some major spoiler in which a THING probably was meant to justify his way of treating her. I said probably, because I only read someone's comment spoiling the novel,but I believe author wanted to make our hearts lighter by giving him some kind of excuse for being cruel. I don't forgive him fully, but past is past, people need to know when to let go of things and I think Tia is doing great.

However, even if Price didn't like Tia for many reasons in the past, I can surely say that he does NOT hate her now, just how she changed, everyone aroud her started to change too and that makes him better person I guess (I hope).

At the point where I am in the history, I don't especially hate her ending with the male lead, I just hope to be able to see him as a better character and communicate with her better (oh and he could throw that Japanese-daughter-of-god-girl out of the freak*ing palace for all i care, she annoyed me too much).

I dont't see her with green boy since his kinda psychotic and obssesive, red boy would be a great choice but I somehow can't imagine Tia being in lobe with him (friendly feelings) and I don't think a new super duper boy would appear (I would feel kinda confused if the author would do that). The best choice would be to live happily with her father, but she will marry for sure, we know that xd

The prince has more reasons to hate Tia? I am really really curious to know just what are these reasons for the prince to hate Tia. please, do enlighten me, because I want to know just what crime did Tia commit for the prince to murder her child, her father, ruined her family and shamed her life to death.

Also, like I said, the author made a mistake. She/he had created a setting scenario where the past prince's cruelty was over the top dramatic, then failed to justify it sensibly, and tried to patch up the plot by forcing Tia to move on.

If the author was ever a victim of abuse, I am sure the writing would have been completely different. Trust me, the experience that Tia has went though, as much as I wish she could give her past a break and focus on the present/future, once I tried putting myself into her shoes, I know it would have taken much much much more for the prince to earn that ground zero with her to ever be a love interest.

Of course he does. Like you mentioned earlier, he was overly jealous for his father praising Tia. He was a child back then and he always was pressured to do perfectly and yet I don't remember his father being affectionate with him and praising him, but he did so to some girl, who was said in prophecy to be a great child. She was praised for a reason, of course, but he was a child and unhealthy jealously started creeping on him. Its really scary how children sometimes tend to catch such dark feelinga and then let them stay with them for years, causing deeper and deeper despair.

Another thing is abput Tia's mother. We do not know much yet, but it's clear she was dear to him. She respected her very much and as I already said - there is something about past Tia telling him that really made him start being cruel. It's not like he was madman from their wedding (he was not nice either), but If I remember correctly she though about that situation for a second and then needed to do other thing so she forgot again (that sparked my curiosity). If prince did not receive any parental affection from his real parents, then Tia's mother must have been incredibly important for him and I dare to say that she was the only one important to prince in the previous life. So, hearing her say probably something heartless about her made him angry. I know past Tia did not know or remember her mother and she probably did not mean to say any harmful things, but we know she was kinda "icy" in front of other people and no one really knew what was on her mind (we gladly do). She was most likely misunderstood and the fault lies within both of them.

I do remember also reading about him being constantly poisoned. I don't remember exactly how it worked, but his bipolar thoughts were horrible. Like, how the hel you love someone, but also want them to suffer, you marry another girl and have baby with them a few moments after finding out you already got one woman pregnant...

Tia's guilt in her previous life was trying to be too perfect, which caused her to lack in communicating with others and that led to other things, whiile prince's was... well too many for my lazy ass to count. I don't remember every detail in the story since I started reading it long time ago, but this made me want to read it again even if im gonna feel sick in first chapters.

Also I'm not saying prince is justified for what he did, he is not, but let's not forget the MOST important thing - the PAST prince did some horrible things to Tia, but not the current one. We need to remember that. Why? for example, if there is a person whos brother/parent is an alcoholic, do we assume the sibling/child is one too? I know its quite a serious example, but it does apply here. Usually a person needs to prove his worth, the past prince did no good, but the current one still have a chance. We see a difference in him and this is what Im holding onto right now.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, by saying "the prince has more reasons to hate Tia" I meant more than what you said.in one of the comments above ;) I didn't mean that he had better reason to do so than Tia now, because that's incorrect. English is not my first language so I tend to not clarify my thoughts enough sometimes.

I agree. I think the author probably went too far to create trauma, but she passed what was forgivable to the reader. Even if the Prince is a different person we know he's just as capable of being that same person. That cruelty is still in him. It just may not be against Tia now, but he'd still do such things against someone he hated.

He and Tia didn't meet that often in the story until recently and even then it's not that much. The idea that someone he met a few times in his childhood has this profound enough affect on him to turn him into someone else is hard to believe.

He's still that same guy. All that changed is he doesn't hate Tia now. So he might be nice to her just like he was nice to Jieun, but he'll find someone to treat like trash. That's why I can't trust a character like him.

All that has changed is the target of the abusive side we know is in him.

Actually, I do not agree. Like i wrote, he was poisoned to the point of bipolar behaviour. It's not like he was born with such cruelty, the enviroment and various things happening around him shaped him like that (it was also his own choice so the fault is within him too).
Moreover, he is not the same guy and only a few meeting between them changed so much! Tha fact that he does not hate her means so much! Just a few little "chats" if i can say so and he does not resent her, does not want to harm her - I believe it's a pretty big change for him.
Also, Tia might have been his target, but that does not mean someone else will end up like her just because he does not hate her. I don't understand the logic - he hurted Tia in the past because he thought she gave him reason (which was not true), but that does not mean he's going to find another person to be cruel to. It's not his hobby.

So you read the novel? I don't mind the spoiler, but from the Spoiler I read, people have different interpretation so correct me if I am wrong,




The present Prince doesn't hate Tia, but he still has that victim mentality, Tia was more amazing that her past, make the Prince feel more inferior that make him some obsessive jealous fucker and make Tia works her ass off for him. And the Korean girl blessed God child also reborn with her past memories, she blamed Tia because after Tia death, she need to works and she is not good at it and The Prince constantly compared her with Tia, and drove her crazy, in the end she was exiled and commit suicide so in her second life she decided to take revenge on Tia. What with this setting, they are really match made in heaven, both have victim mentality who think Tia is Villain who took everything from them. Not to mention that Vita God, she gave Tia reward (more like a curse) with a right to inherited the throne that make her a threat to The Prince and target for another power craze, and Tia left only has two choice, get rid of The Prince and become The Female Empress. or belong to the Prince whether it was as a Queen or Knight, in the end she can't become free. With this setting, one could say Tia was born to be tragic figure in the tragic story.

No, a few chats do not change the core of another person that much. Now maybe the environment he grew up in changed. Maybe because she did not befriend his father like before that changed that. But no, the fundamentals of him would not change. Just his target. The cruelty is still in him.

It's not normal to rape someone, murder their father, behead them, hurt them and do everything he did just out of intense dislike and feel nothing at all. Someone who can go as far as he did without a single shred of empathy is a person with the traits of a psychopath. Those don't just appear because you were raised in a "poisoned" environment. They can be lessened or worsened by the environment, but they potentional is in the person.

And I agree with shyshy a lot. Blue boy still has that damn victim mentality even in his present form. "Tia doesn't like me? But I didn't do anything to her? Waaaah". He still makes it all about him. I still like him.

But if you think he's a catch for her, Quenkani, that's your opinion. Let's agree to disagree. Coz I think Blue Boy is a total loser and Tia deserves way better.

I still don't like him* Typo.

Youre looking at the prince (both the past and the current one) just as a victim. While the past one was a victim, none of the serious "trigger" did to him was ever done by Tia.

What you're saying sound very much like how a rapist would justify his raping a person because that girl was being attractive and caught his inner darker desire so he had to raped her. I cannot agree with such mentality, so if this is how you look at the situation, we can just agree to disagree.

Also, like i have said, if the author was ever a victim of abuse, or if he/she was able to empathise more with abused victims, I'M SURE his/her writing would have been much different in how this past drama would be wrapped up. I have nothing against the current prince, but for him to become a love interest without a clear break/ redemption plot - its undermining the PTSD effect on abused victim and unfair for Tia. Why? because even if others don't remember what happened, Tia lived and suffered greatly in that life.

The current prince doesn't get a free pass from all the trauma the past one did to Tia just because he wasn't the version who did those things. Technically, they are not "cousins" like your example, they are two sides of a pea. So for Tia to be able to make a clear break from two versions, she needs to be able to forgive the past one's actions first before she can move on to accept the current one.

This is where the author has failed to develop. The author has chosen a difficult route for the final romance, because to attempt to fix a past relationship that bloody and messy is much harder than going for the easier route of a "clean, new romance." And considering how the author developed it, I had to say it wasn't really successful - because if the justification/redemption was done nicely alongside the plot, there wouldn't be such debate going on for this final couple.

I did not read everything, so i stopped in the middle of your comment, sorry. :( I do remember quite a lot of spoiler from other people's comments (and I had partly read novel, through one of my friends), but I do not want to know everything now, I'd like to see the comic version first. ;)
It's not like I'm rooting for the prince, but I do not want to see him as only bad person. I do remember chapter of him crying and Tia's mother appeared beside him, that's one of the reasons I dont think he was born bad, he did get some bad habits albong the way, but I do not believe it's bad this second time. I want to give him a chance, but I do keep in mind that he might become capable of those things. It's just that he's not like that now and it's likely he won't be.
Sorry if I didn't answer you fully, but stopped in the middle of your comment :( I really love seeing novels to come out as comics first. :(

And sorry for the spoiler! I was going to sleep and didn't though this throught. :(

No, blue boy is definitley NOT the catch for her. Its just, you know, how stories work. He's the most logical option, even though not the healtiest one for Tia.

To be fair, in second life prince might have that mentality, but I would think the same if I met someone for the first time and they were scared of me. We know it's justified, because we know all the things he did to her, but he is guilty of nothing in this life as the story is now.

And no, all the things he has done were sickening, but I want to try to believe this phrase "forget and forgive" . I think it's the best solution for Tia to accept what happened and leave it behind her, because now she got much much more than she had earlier and she needs to focus on her present. I'm not saying she needs to fall in love with him because of that - no, she just needs to do what she want and that, I believe, protecting her family and firends.

I don't believe he's 100% a victim, but yes, he wasn't poisoned because he wanted to, right? I was against him till I learned about this. Now I see him a little bit differently because I pity him - but I don;t like him. Besides poisoning he still picked up a person he simply didn't like. But I just can't put the previous and current prince in one bag. I want to see his actions more precisely and learn more.

I totally agree with you about the author. She could have made that a lot lighter and that would be easier for people to accept final ccouple, but maybe that was her purpose? Maybe she wanted people to make this quite controversial, to enagage us more into discussing it, wondering why? I don't know.

"And considering how the author developed it, I had to say it wasn't really successful - because if the justification/redemption was done nicely alongside the plot, there wouldn't be such debate going on for this final couple."

Exactly. It's definitely a challenging one to pull off. For it to work the author would have to have made if very clear where things went wrong and what caused the prince to become so malicious in the original timeline and why he is a completely different person in this one.

Unfortunately, as you have described, she failed to show how he had a sincere change of heart. As readers we doubt he is truly different from that other person. And the only reason given in an expansion of the novel for why he become so cruel to Tia before is because she made a callous comment about the mother she has no memory of.

If it was that easy for him to become so cruel to Tia, what's to stop it from happening again?

To pull of a romantic arc for him and Tie we would need to see not just how she has changed, but how he has. For example, if in the original timeline he was somehow the victim of black magic that corrupted him and turned him that way, but this time he has been spared a romance between them would be acceptable. Or if in the original timeline Tia caused a grave injustice, say she caused the death of a loved one, but this time she avoided causing that it might work.

The author should have flipped Jiuen's miscarriage and showed that maybe Tia was plotting against Jieun because she was jealous and she really did hate her. The author wanted to make Tia too much of a victim and someone who was innocent of wrongdoing. Tia who is supposed to be clever and diplomatic and a skilled Empress, literally had no idea what was going on in the court? That's crazy. A skilled Empress would have eyes and ears everywhere. She would be aware of rumors and plots against the throne.

Tia was consumed by grief and jealousy against Jieun, yet the worst she ever did was scold the brat. Tia only stabbed the Prince when he killed her father. She only reacted.

If the author had balanced the two leads better, showing both gave into their own hatred, bitterness and jealousy, it could work better between them now. In her jealousy at Jieun, Tia could have also used her keen mind and skills to get back at the girl who stole everything. If she had done some evil herself, it might be more justifiable for the Prince's hatred of her.

Then when she was reborn decided, "I won't let myself ever be evil like that again. I will live free of hatred". But the author wanted an innocent lead and that leaves her relationship highly imbalanced with the prince.

To be honest, I feel like she doesn't bare hate just because she loved him until the end... We see that she describes him, even after her death as the "man she loved". The girl was really in love and that is how she didn't lose her mind, suprised she had that psychological attack only once in his presence.

so true