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May I know where you read? And what chapter should I start from here on?

here babe https://shanghaifantasy.com/moonlight-madness-chapter-3-part-2/#google_vignette

Thank you!!! I'll read this then go to therapy later based on the comments here, i think i should brace myself

Fr . Out of all people wonyoung would never do that if he was in right mind . Poor baby

Honestly him doing this seems so OOC.

author trolling u this is so funny

I'm moved with the fact you had the courage to pick it up again even with that thought in mind HAHAHAHA

wait so the kids wasn’t born out of incest?

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No. The kid’s father is someone else

OHHHHHH. i did not pick up on that. why were they telling everyone they fucked then?

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To protect the father of the child since Carmide would kill him if he knew the truth. Also it was somehow “better” to tell people that the child was a product of incestous relations because the Royalty of Timayev preferred inbreeding to “preserve the bloodline”.

Yes, TJ is the reason why Ian is in this predicament. From joining the gang, to his injury, to the debt he is trying to pay off it’s all because TJ pushed him towards it.

You’re only correct about the last two. Wrong about the first.

Did TJ not enable Ian to join?

No. We don’t have an origin story as to how they join. We know TJ got them to switch who they worked for since their last leader enabled for one of his business partners to r*pe Ian, which led him to drugs, and led TJ to scheme and kill the man, leading to his eye injury

Also, to clarify a few things:

- TJ told some of the guys working for him to keep Ian there while he rushed there, Ian refused to wait, the boys got rough with him, Ian fell down the stairs and injured his leg. When he saw him at the hospital, TJ felt so guilty that he started telling him it was his fault, but Ian stopped him from saying the words because he didn’t want to be given a reason to end their relationship

- when Ian killed the guy who broke into his apartment to kill him, he told TJ he didn’t feel anything about killing someone he actually knew and he was scared that he was becoming a monster, so he wanted to walk out of the gang. TJ could’ve made someone else take the fall for it and just made it so Ian didn’t do any jail time, but he was convinced that Ian just needed some time to clear his head so he let him go to jail for the crime and indebted him with jail protection money so that even when he came out of jail, he wouldn’t just leave.

- they have a major fight about this midway through season 1 because TJ finds out Ian was just pretending not to know everything, etc.

Yeah for this part of the story, I looked over the Korean raws out of my own accord so I may have created nuances that aren’t there or misremembered important pieces. I haven’t looked over the past chapters in a while so I’m a bit rusty on the timeline lol

Yeah, we kept getting nonlinear flashbacks and it was the part of the story (the gangster stuff) that interests me the most so it frustrated me enough to try and read it a second time to better understand the timeline. I personally dislike how the flashbacks were handled

Omg yes, when I first started reading Wet Sand, the flashbacks are so hard to piece together because they add details that won’t be seen until Season 2, although I think that’s a form of foreshadowing. Regardless, I feel that the flashbacks provide context to a situation BUT they add extra details that won’t be seen later on in the story, and you don’t pick up on it because you’re already focused on what was happening before the flashback. The two flashbacks that I got mixed up with so much was Ian’s broken leg incident and when Ian murdered that guy.

Also, dude, I went back to read the first 20 or so chapters, ugh, TJ and Ian’s relationship is hitting me at full force again. No because genuinely, their relationship is so addicting to look at and read.

There is so much left unspoken between them because they recognize each other so well, anything left unsaid is a language in itself between them. Yet because of that Ian and TJ spiral into this extreme relationship of dependency and attachment. Ian enables TJ when he doesn’t say clarify anything, and TJ gives and gives rather than professing wtv the fuck he wants to say which is that he fucking loves Ian and wants to spend the rest of his life with him, he literally tip toes around those words constantly… yk now that I think about it, I’m really unsure if TJ and Ian ever clarify what type of relationship they have. They never call each other boyfriends or lovers or even exes, they just exist within something adjacent to “love.”

That’s exactly right!! I think I didn’t even realize that Ian also loved TJ until TJ’s car accident. The way he reacted to that and went all homicidal, and became so careless about his own safety that he willingly walked into the funeral of a gang boss was what made me look at their relationship differently. The things they said to each other in the car at the funeral also made me realize TJ’s car accident made him grow past his belief that he NEEDED Ian to succeed in life. Ironically, he only came to realize while Ian was in prison. It’s also what made me realize that Ian lowkey enjoys tbh king TJ needs him. When TJ vanished on him and Ian started stalking the places where TJ and he used to hang out was another clue for me that their relationship meant so much to him. I think that as much as TJ did everything to keep Ian close, Ian never truly fought to leave, though maybe he would have managed to do so if TJ didn’t find his fake ID, but now we’ll never know I guess.

TJ and Ian’s relationship has bloomed out of shared history and trauma-bonding. Their attachment stems from the feeling of being abandoned. I’m still unsure of what Ian’s true feelings were about TJ when they were younger, but if I recall correctly, he knew TJ had feelings for him but he did not want to break their established bond. Then again he does the same thing in the hospital where avoids breaking out of what they have. It all comes from a place of fear of being on your own.

Ian doesn’t even need Jo, but he thinks he does. He slept around with people before him, because he can’t be present with himself. I don’t remember, but there was a character like Ian who I have read about before. He slept around with people even though he was already in love with someone. He wanted to be embraced because he didn’t want to feel alone at night.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that, Ian needs to heal.

Just want to say, trauma-bonding isn’t what they have. By definition, trauma-bonding is an emotional attachment that develops between an abuser and their victim. It’s essentially a version of Stockholm syndrome. With Ian and TJ, they’ve gone through so much trauma together that they couldn’t trust anyone but each other, which led them to become co-dependent. TJ broke out of that after his accident because he realized that if he’d gotten his way this entire time, Ian could’ve been in the car with him that day and died. He realized he’d been selfish and prioritized Ian’s safety by disappearing on, since Ian didn’t want to let him go.

Also, the reason why I said he loved TJ is because of that one scene in season 1 where Jo asked him if he’s ever been in a relationship before and Ian said no, but he’s only ever loved one person, then we have a flashback of him and TJ. Then after TJ disappears on him, and Jo’s worried about the way Ian is constantly distracted, they go out to talk further. As Ian explains the situation without divulging too much information (basically his friend just vanished), Jo looks at him closely and flashes back to that conversation they had about Ian loving just one person in his life and Jo wonders if Ian realizes that he still loves that person. It’s also for the first time that Jo gives him an advice that was selfish in nature, because he wanted Ian and TJ to stay apart (though we learn later that his first selfish act was in season 1 when he got in the way of Ian running after TJ and TJ walking back to Ian after their first big fight)

I use the term trauma-bonding based on what the words literally mean together not the proposed idea for it, sorry I keep forgetting that it means something else. So what you explained is my version of how I use trauma bonding.

You can love someone for so long, you’ll start believing that’s what love means. Because you’ve never had someone else before or after them to define love to you. That’s just my thought of Ian and TJ. He definitely loves him, but, that’s because they’ve only had each other for so long.

The difference here for me is that in this case, Ian didn’t seem to realize or know that he still loved TH that way, it was only through Jo’s narration/thought bubble that it was made known to me as he realized it through observation. Anyway, there’s not much use debating it. We’ll see where the story ends I guess (unless I drop it) because I didn’t really feel engaged with the second half of the second season.

Basically, he thought he was cheated on by his over with his sister so he get his revenge by sleeping around to provoke his lover.

author didn't really specify if it, but i do lowkey think it might lean towards Kihun (blue-haired guy) since they did like each other but broke up because of a misunderstanding and Kihun still clearly loves him. they broke up bc silver guy thought he was cheated on by him with his sister (misunderstanding) so he kissed the military and had sex with other people after that (early chapters where Haekyong ran into them).