Everyone's talking about what could've happened with him in the train but can we please talk about how beautiful he is? Like hOLY SHIT LOOK AT HIM HE'S SO FUCKING GORGEOUS AND ADORABLE WHAT THE HELL THIS IS NOT LEGAL
i love this manga so flippin much
Me too, slow and beautiful paced so that a meaningful relationship can be developed....
NOOO I WAS SO LOOKING FORWARD TO READ A NEW CHAPTER-
WHY R U DOING THIS T__T
wow what's up with that asshole seme?
uke deserves someone better than this little shit
when is this gonna update omg
It just did.... were you not looking?
Didn't you see.. when I posted that?
How would I know it'd update the next day lmao why so offensive
My opinion:
Hyoue Kuroda is definitely Rum. Why's that? Because Furuya was talking to him on the phone while referring to him as "Bourbon". And that he shall not forget to report to him about Shinichi Kudo. Also - Furuya told Conan that Rum is a very impatient person. And in the chapter with the church, you were able to see Kuroda talking on the phone with that one inspector, telling him to immediately switch over the call to the inspector who's Scotch's brother. He specifically mentioned that he should hurry up and pass over the call - "What are you waiting for? Switch me over!") Page: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/detective_conan/mr/hs_chapter-1030/pg-10/ That's a big hint for impatience, right? Kanenori Wakita (sushi guy) is also someone from the organization (probably a codename related to Whiskey) and got told by Kuroda, to keep an eye out on Bourbon. Because when Kogoro, Conan, Furuya and Wakita were in the train, Wakita said something like "I wish I had those kind of eyes as well, so you can see who a TRAITOR is", while smirking at Furuya. So I'm pretty sure, they're suspecting Bourbon to be a NOC - which is really bad. And about Rumi Wakasa - there was a shogi player called Koji Haneda who got murdered by someone of the BO. I feel like that Wakasa was somehow related to him.
1) They were both in the BO but Haneda was a NOC and tried to pass over information of the BO to the FBI or CIA - hence she referred to him as a "fool" or "foolish". Wakasa got told by the BO to kill that old lady called Amanda Hughes and Haneda, because they apparently had contact with the FBI and CIA. Plus, she was close to Haneda (maybe they were siblings or lovers?). And while they were fighting Haneda hurt her right eye so she needed to get a prosthetic for her right eye OR someone interfered while they had a conversation about her killing him and he protected her from that someone but she still got her eye hurt -> (That's why she clenched a shogi-shaped object in her pocket that one time). ((She then may have realized what she's done and is a NOC now as well?))
2) She's a part of the CIA or another group (but I honestly don't think that would make sense).
But the rest sounds pretty logical to me and I'm pretty sure it's exactly like that. What do you think?
Well
I really admire your memory
But that would be a right conclusion if we were reading another mystery manga that isn't related to Aoyama-sensei
But this is Aoyama-sensei we are talking about here you know!
Our logic doesn't work with him
Remember barbon?
In the mystery train, until the last moment he made it seem like "okea is the most suspicious one"
Like when ai went out of the room and he told her that her movements are predictable like her sister's
And before that he was always drinking barbon
The exception was when he bumped into Jody and told her sho's 50% 50% phrase tho
So here is my opinion...
I know it may not be right as i don't really have a good memory
But i think that wakasa is rum
And wakita is an agent who isn't from the FBI or the CIA who suspects that rei is a member of the black organization or as you said another member who thinks that barbon is a traitor
But the second probability is really far from what i can believe
If they were suspecting him, they would have asked okita to investigate on shinichi, right? It maybe not too
And when Aoyama-sensei make us suspect someone that make me think that he is innocent
Maybe kuroda was talking to barbon by his code name because he knows about him being a NOC and was reminding him of his mission
And wasn't kuroda the one who was kidnapped by irish in the 13th movie to take his place and get the lost thing of the organization back (forgive me if i was mistaken)
Why would they need to go through all of this if rum himself was there
Or maybe they wanted to make his picture as clean as possible in everyone's eyes!!!
But this is going too far as i see it, nothing is impossible tho
Well, i don't know
But this leave wakasa as the main suspect for me for now
I will hate it if she really was rum, i kind of like her personality, and she helped the kids in the school's case too and ai isn't scared of her as i remember
Aoyama-sensei makes me not want to suspect anyone as i would definitely be wrong in the end
Well, yeah! But he did turn out to be "Bourbon" in the end, with the small difference that he's a police investigator infiltrating the BO. And yeah, it's true that Aoyama always makes us think completely different than it usually is, but I feel like the hints were pretty obvious this time (though that might be his intention to think like that this time as well). But everything else wouldn't make any sense to me. And I don't think the BO would be as risky as to ask a random citizen like Okita about Shinichi. The BO is mysterious and they have their own way of handling things. "They're like a shadow, disappearing into the darkness", as Haibara once said. I don't think Wakasa Rumi is Rum, just because she saw Conan putting inspector Yamamura to sleep with his cronometer (the wrist clock). And if she already knew that Conan was capable of doing such things, she wouldn't ask Bourbon (Furuya) to investigate on Shinichi, when she already knows about Conan/Shinichi! And nope, Kuroda wasn't the one in the 13th movie! That was Kiyonaga Matsumoto. Matsumoto got promoted and now Kuroda is taking over his position. And the thing that supports my theory is, that Kuroda was thinking about the shogi player Koji Haneda once. And when Wakasa and Kuroda met, they uh, weren't on good terms as we were able to see. Which means, there must've happened something in the past between the two of them, we yet don't know about and can only guess.
People are debating if it's the sushi guy who is Rum but I think that he's only there to keep an eye on Furuya AND Kogoro Mori. Gin mentioned that Kogoro is like a "demon" that always gets involved in the BO's doings, and they need to finish him off while he sleeps, or something. So since Furuya is working in the cafe right under Kogoro Mori and has made himself suspicious already, there should be someone that keeps an eye on the BOTH of them. Maybe the BO thinks that Bourbon is a NOC that works together with Kogoro Mori and gives him information without anyone noticing. But maybe that's what Aoyama wants us to think and the sushi guy is Rum? It's so complicated, oof. It's either the sushi guy who is Rum or Kuroda, at least in my opinion!
Amazing conclusion
Your theory is indeed logical but can't Hyoue Kuroda be another special agent from the Japanese police..? In movie 22 too he was in contact with Amuro so I thought he knew he is from the police too.. It confuses me when I think what if Kuroda is Rum AND a police chief who knows Amuro's identity.. I too think that Wakita might just be keeping an eye on Amuro and Kogoro, and Rumi-sensei might not be from the BO.. Or she is but Haibara's senses have gone dull and that's why she likes Rumi-sensei? I don't know why even though she's suspicious Haibara insists that she isn't..
After watching the 22nd movie I also thought over my theory, to be totally honest! I'm soo confused. It could be that Haibara's senses have gone dull and I also think that Rumi is extremely suspicious. But I'm just gonna stick to my theory and trust Haibara's instincts!
You forgot that Wakata dislikes whisky. He said something about it during the first case where he appeared. The thing about Kuroda... he knows that Conan resolves the cases instead of Kogoro, but I don't understand why he doesn't do anything. It would be a child's play for him, killing him and making it look like an incident.
Maybe he is also infiltrated in the organisation. Sensei always puts hints in the movies, or takes part from it in the main story. Like Kid knowing that Conan is Shinichi. Maybe it is the same with the Movie about Curacao. Maybe Remi is/was curacao or someone who escaped the organisation. Wakata is watching Amuro for sure. But if wakata was from the police or something like that, I doubt he would call him a traitor, just because he spends time with a detective. That's why I think he is definetly releated to the organisation.
That's why I think Kuroda is just like Amuro.. Maybe his superior..