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OMG YEZZZZ ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ I REALLY LOVE THAT MANGA(≧∀≦)

Could you tell me the name of that manga?

Zettai BL ni Naru Sekai VS Zettai BL ni Naritakunai Otoko

read it(≧∀≦) It's really friggin funny

Thanks a lot!

it's just that a literal highschooler and a woman who is literally working an office job is weird lol

Really? I was in highschool not too long ago (1 or 2 years ago) and now Im working an office job. The time difference is nothing. Sounds like you're being influenced by the social stigma lol

she's like 8 years older than him which kinda makes me iffy

Sounds like negative social stigma Yeah this isn't really going anywhere. My response back to you is pretty much my original comment.
I think there are many more important factors here than age. People are all unique all with varying levels of maturity and varying levels of growth; your innate character and personality is also a factor.
We can already see what sort of character he was when he was younger. He calls out to fl and saves her from a dangerous situation, displaying not only an impressive sense of awareness and perception but also his courage and kindness by acting out in order to save her. Hell, I don't even know if the regular working adult is capable of that.
Now throughout the manga he continues to show these characteristics, he is kind and genuine, and guess what? seems like the fl is falling for him.

Let me put this another way. Lets say we have 2 people applying for a job, they are both equally qualified, both have shown exceptional knowledge for the job. The hiring manager is leaning towards one but then they find out their age and is like "Oh no, youre too young, that makes me uneasy, it's iffy"

Do you see what Im getting at? Anyways thats all I have to say

No matter how "mature" one seems at 18, you're never as mature as you think you are. I'm that woman's age, and I look back at my 20 year old self and I know I was kind of a dumbass. Aside from that, you're still dependent when you're in highschool; even if you're of legal age and in college, you're on risk of financial abuse or strong and toxic co-dependence if your partner is much older. The ideal is not just being with someone of legal age, but someone at relatively the same life stage, that's why a 30 year old and a 40 year old dating is nor a big deal anymore.

it's also the extreme power imbalance that's a problem ^_^ even if you think that you're not that different from who you were back then. that isn't true for everyone

What Ive been saying is that it's gonna be a different case for every person because everyone matures differently. For me I can say that Ive barely changed since highschool (I might have been smarter back then actually lmao, Im losing brain cells from lack of use).

Evaluating everyone based off the same set of standards is weird to me. Theres no set age where everyone suddenly obtains the status of being "mature". I guarantee you that yes actually, there are 18 year olds who are mature beyond their years and also vice versa; adults who will never grow up and stay immature, which is why judging purely based off age just doesn't work.

To me these two are perfectly fine together, I don't feel any "power imbalance" like another user said. They speak to each other as equals (actually ml has been the one teaching and helping fl all this time)

They're both mature enough to make their own decisions, and I think all those moral judgements and rules that society likes to impose are just dumb and also not an outsiders business as long as both are happy.

If yall are uncomfortable with it that's perfectly fine (you cant change societal conditioning very easily), but just know that I think it's none of your business to be judging if they got into a relationship

But is is true for some people. You're unconsciously proving my point; because everyone is different you can't evaluate purely based off age.

You're very sus and icky trying to justify this, m8. Just read articles about it because there's no use trying to convince someone like you.

"But she's very mature for her age" is legit the excuse pedophiles use. Our brains aren't even done developing at 25, just date people your age, or who already went through the most important stages of adulthood.

Lmao you think this is a case of pedophila? Maybe youre the one who should do some reading up.

So according to your moral rules of conduct that you want to force on everyone, you can only date if you're:
a) the same age and or
b) over 25

Brilliant stuff, just brilliant.

Hilarious how you straight up dismiss everything I say with no reasoning but "sus" and "icky" and yet your logic is just nonsensical moral policing

I guess the age difference is not the problem, it's because he's still in high school

^^^^

Are you getting payed for being this dense? You should, you're great at it.

You didn't miss the point by a mile, but by 10K kilometers. Just keep saying age is "just a number" and pat yourself on the back at it.

"Social stigma" ok pedo.

You're the one focused on reducing people to numbers here lol. Don't blame me for your own words that don't make sense ¯_(ツ)_/¯. Youll go around throwing these moral rules of conduct saying only ppl of "similar life stages" should date (whatever the hell thats supposed to mean) and yet you have no issue with a yaoi like Form of Sympathy where Yuri is straight out of highschool and is with his forner teacher

Dating a minor is definitely a grey zone. Just what gets me is that although he is able to perfectly pass off as a college student, because he's in highschool his love isn't allowed? Is his love not genuine? Feels like he is just completely dismissed from the equation. Then if they were to be together then oh, shes a pedo, theres a power balance and it's a bad terrible manipulative/unhealthy relationship amirite?

"dating a minor is definitely a grey zone" well that's a red flag LMAOOOOOOOO

Youre literally jumping at nothing mate. Im saying it how it is. Guess what? All those laws and morals that you guys have been spouting? There is absolutely nothing thats stops an 18 year old from dating whoever they want. The reason it is a grey area is that it's definitely possible that there could be a manipulative/toxic relationship BUT not all relationships with an age gap and an 18 year old are like this. toxic relationships are toxic; being 18 and with someone older does not automatically fulfill the criteria of a toxic relationship

LMAOOOOO THERE'S NOTHING THAT STOPS THEM?? YEAH CUS THAT'S CALLED BEING A PEDO. THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING PEOPLE FROM MURDERING OR ASSAULTING OTHERS, BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT'S BAD TOO?? YOUR LOGIC MAKES NO SENSE HAAHHAA (︶︿︶)＝凸

You think dating an 18 year old makes you a pedo then you do not know what pedo means. Im 19 speaking on behalf of the kid's perfectly normal and acceptable feelings love which you are all to happy to dismiss because O HES 18!! His feelings and emotions dont matter amirite? You are basically saying that he is not allowed to be in this relationship, it's illegal (no it's not lmao) and on the same level as murder and assault. I sure hope you don't truly think that.

The irony of this all is that kiko and nightwave who have been moral policing the hardest are the quickest to resort to personally insulting, slandering and sticking the middle finger. How very righteous of you two

They essentially tried to be an “adult” about it and resorted to insults when they weren’t coming out on top. The argument that just runs in circles. I don’t mind the age gap because it’s a fictional story and if it was in real life then it would depend on circumstances.
I know people who are way older than their years and people who should be mature but aren’t. Essentially I try not to judge until I know more about someone’s situation, especially if it’s a happy and healthy relationship With an age gap And they met earlier on. I completely get the discomfort but that also disregards other cultures and other normalcies.
And resorting to calling someone a Pedo just because someone views the other person as less intelligent about an issue or that they don’t think the same way is extremely immature and triggering in its own sense because it’s used in a vengeful way and not used properly.
Bottom line, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and you can’t force someone else to change their minds and if you’re put off by a theme in the story then you are more then welcome to stop reading it. If not then just enjoy the story.

Hi, I know it's a bit late to the party, but I wanted to quickly jump in. No, it's not illegal but it is extremely iffy if a 28+ dates an 18 yo. The fact that many actors or people in the public eye that are 50 date 18 year olds does not make it okay. You are only 19 and all of this might seem okay to you but believe me when you'll grow up you'll see it's not. I know it's a bit useless to say, I was not listening to anybody when I was at that age. When I was 16 I started dating a 24 year old (sure, it's a bit more extreme than here but if you think about it it's just two years from 18) and at that time I thought it was cool and nice because "I was so mature for my age". I kept thinking this till I reached 26 and one day it just hit me out of the blue that that was not cool at all. It's predatory. It might not be ILLEGAL but that doesn't make it right. I'm 27 now and if I discovered I had an unintentional crush on an 18 yo I'd feel disgusted with myself, believe me. A person this much older at this particular age has literally not one single reason to be attracted to a person that much younger. Of course, as you get older things change and for example 37 and 47 is not a big deal. But 28 and 18 it is, even if it's legal. You seem to see things from his perspective about his feelings, because you're closer to that age, but it feels like you're not considering hers, so since I'm closer to her age I'm trying to show you her perspective. I'm not attacking you or trying to force advice on you because you are clearly young and don't really realize what you're saying but please be careful in the real world. This is just fantasy and a story, but the world we live in is full of disgusting people, unfortunately. With this thinking somebody much older could take advantage of you and I hope it never ever happens. Stay safe and all the best to you :)

While I respect your side of the opinion, (and maybe my thoughts will change too as I age), but for now I can't say I exactly agree.

Putting real world examples aside for now and looking at this manga, the entire basis which is against their relationship seems to be that liking someone who is 18 when you are late/mid 20s is wrong. Why is is wrong? Because it's wrong to like someone who is that young. To be honest it just sounds like circular logic to me. You say that someone older could take advantage of someone younger and be a predator, but I think that's only a "could". It doesn't automatically make them a predator just by being in a relationship, theres has to be some sort of actual manipulation or predation going on which I simply do not see happening in the manga.

Unless you are a predator, when you like someone you don't like them because of their age. You like them because you're attracted to their character, what they do, how they act and carry themselves, what they say, their appearance, etc. If you fall in love with someone who is 18 but passes off as a college student perfect fine I don't see anything wrong with it.

I appreciate your concern as well as your perspective, however I don't think being younger or older necessarily makes an opinion more valid or not.

honey I will absolutely slander you for being pro-pedophile lmfao your whole "argument" is hilarious and disgusting, I urge you to reconsider yourself and hope you look back on this on the future and realize how effed up it is

Either you haven't read a word of what I wrote or youre literate at this point so this has been awfully productive.

lol *not literate*

oh, I definitely read it :) the only problem is none of it made sense and came off as a person who clearly doesn't understand the problematic relationship dynamics and power imbalances in play, or terms like grooming lolz... yeah, I totally agree about you not being literate sigh it really sucks when somebody won't cooperate in being productive

Yeah, please explain to me where the power imbalance and grooming is in their relationship

in the first place it definitely sounds like you don't want cooperation with the way youve been talking, heh

it's present in every relationship like that ... that's the point
there's a reason why she was so horrified lol

I genuinely do not understand how if they got together it is automatically grooming and a power imbalance. Like please explain this to me because I do not get it

You see, if u apply for a job and both of u have the same qualifications, you would still choose a person with experience. Also a bad analogy

He's a highschooler, he'd be 18 at most while the fl is 28, i wouldn't have a problem if he was 28 and the fl is 38 since both of them would've been grown adults who have the same lives. The difference between a full fledged adult and a hs student is huge, he is still swimming inside a small pond while she is already in the sea, living the same environment as the adults.


10yr age gap is not the problem, its the fact that he's a hs student who lives a completely different life as her, u cant date someone who could possibly be your student if u were a teacher in hs

No, its just the fact that as a grown human being, you shouldn't go after a child who hasn't fully developed yet, u can date a 22 yr old when ur in ur 30s, stop trying to justify it.

The point is, a 18 yr old can make a move on a 28 yr old but as a 28 yr old you shouldn't be entertaining an 18 yr olds advancement because as an adult you would know what is tight and wrong. Its just the fact that grown adults should not be in a relationship with ppl who are still in the development phase

Really? I think this depends heavily on the job lol depending on what it is you may want the younger person for varied perspective. Idk I think the analogy fits lol.
You're placing all highschoolers in a box and all adults in a box. You don't know what the 18 year old has gone through; you don't know what the 28 year old has gone through either. People exist beyond their age, thats why trying to set these definitive moral rules of conduct; that these ppl can only date these ppl at this age doesn't work.
As for your teacher student analogy, sure as a teacher you don't want to date your student because thats unprofessional. But if that's your standard of acceptable or not, he'll literally be graduating next year.

That's the point, children who have been through sh1t mature earlier than people their age but that doesn't mean they're ready for relationships with adults, i am mature in a way too even as a 17 yr old and that's only because ive been a vuctim of disgusting things but i will surely be thankful if a 27 yr old man doesn't take advantage of me even if i fall for him, yes im categorising them into 2 different boxes because an adult should never interfere with a students life romantically because it'll do kore damage than good. You are 19 yrs old so you wouldn't know what a 29 yr old would think

Im sure when you're 29 you wouldn't want to date a highschooler who is 19 because your life is really different from theirs and youd know as an adult there is nothing that is appealing from a 18 yr old to you as an adult

I think I don't understand how you're coming up with these numbers of whats acceptable or not. Im actually 20 now, a year older than before. And according to you, in 2 years it would be acceptable for someone in their 30s to date me by then. I guarantee you I will be pretty much the same in 2 years. 1 year passed in a flash so will 2.

Actually a bad relationship will do more damage than good. A good relationship is a good relationship.
What is the damage that will happen that you speak of?

Your last paragraph seems to be moral policing with no solid logic behind it. Idk if I would be attracted to someone who is 19 in ten years time. Im certainly not attracted to numbers so I would have to get to know the actual person who exists beyond just their age.

Age plays a big part on someone's life, you are acting as if its not. And we are talking about the manhwa here, he's 18 and she's 28, idk why you're trying to defend it

Yes exactly, u claim u are still the same as u are when u were 19 and u seem to think it is unfathomable to date a 30 yr old when you're 20
Or in your 20s, you also claim 2 yrs will go by like nothing, so by your logic, what makes u think a 28 yr old who will be 30 in no time is allowed to date an 18 yr old?


Then let me ask you, are you attracted to a 16 yr old? Because its not that much younger ger than u, and the reason why its unacceptable for a person who's in her late 20s to date someone who just became 18 is because of maturity,biologically they are still learning little sponges by that age. As much as i claim to be mature because of my upbringing it'll never change the fact that im still immature in a lot of things. The difference between my 16 yr old self and 17 is really big

Children grow in a fast pace, even a 16 yr old would be too young for an 18 yr old. An 18 yr old is still growing and will continue to grow as they get older. The growing slump in maturity is generally in your 25 because that's when your brain has fully developed. Its basic conscience for a grown adult to not make or accept advancement from an 18 yr old

Its basic human decency, if u think its me pushing my own morals then there must be something wrong with how u think about this situation.

Sure age is a factor. But you are reducing people into purely just their ages.
I am looking at him as a person and her as a person first and foremost and yeah, I actually do not care if they got together of not.

Lol what? I haven't said anything about who's allowed to date who at what time. I do not care if a 20 year old and 30 year old want to date. You are the one making up all these rules, you were the one implying it wasn't okay lol.

This is just a whole lot of circular logic at this point.
Maybe you changed a lot between 16 and 17 but not everyone does.
Everyone is different so trying to come up with all these set rules that everyone must abide to doesn't work.
Youve now added an additional rule that 16 and 18 year olds cant date lol, what else is there? Might as well just list everything down while you're at it kek

Basically what Im getting from you is that it's wrong because it's wrong. And me not having to same opinion as you is wrong because you are right lmao. This is circular logic at its finest

Yeah so base on your logic, pedophilia is fine?

Im not reducing anyone by their age, i literally dont give a f about who anyone dates, its just the fact that an adult should not take advantage of young person. You keep going on about social stigma and ppl reducing him to his age etc. And the fact taht he could pass on as a college student.

You were the one who implied that dating someone in your 20z with a person who's in their 30s with such a disgusted tone, you are trying so hard so let it be acceptable, its not social stigma bruh, its just purely disgusting for a grown adult to take advantage of a young person, thats it

I could pass as a person in he 20s, but if a 28 yr old man were to find out about my age, he should be discouraged in pursuing a relationship with me just like the fl here.


If you think age shouldn't affect someone's relationship that much, then can you date a person who is in their deathbed a 99 yr old because of their personality? If they have all the personality you want in a significant other would you still do it? There is nothing wrong with age gap, its just that age plays a huge part, you can say yes to the question and i wouldn't give a f because you're old enough, and 21 is the legal age in Korea, so to speak, he is not even legal yet

You have so many jumps in logic that I am very confused how you thought Ive ever implied any of that. You are just putting words in my mouth at this point.

I go on about those things because it's whats happening lmao

Lmao you must not have read what I wrote because Ive never made any rules at all about 20 or 30 year olds. Go back and read it. Youre literally the one whose just said it once again that for some reason 20 year old and 30 year old is bad and disgusting but then you also said earlier that it's okay for a 22 year old and someone in their 30s to date. I was pointing that out and how your standards and rules don't make sense. You are coming up with these numbers of whats okay or not based off of pure feelings with no legitimate logical reasoning.

Jesus christ none of your examples make any sense. You're giving ridiculous examples of prepubescent kids or someone about to die; this is what a mean when I say that age is a factor. Ill tell you right now someone I would date is kind, mature, intelligent, thoughtful, someone who meshes well with me and I am attracted to.

Man I kinda wish you would go on, as a person who knows nothing about table tennis this was interesting to read lol

Lol ask and you shall receive.
Another part that bothers me is basically the whole premise of mc's abilities. Maybe it's just something lost in translation but the whole "memorize the opponents attack patterns" is so funny to me. It's like the authors understanding is sorta there but not quite. As far as Im aware you don't memorize sequences of patterns that the opponent has lmao, nobody plays in patterns of the same thing over and over it don't work like that - the ball goes to different places, this is also dependent on where you place the ball. It's more accurate to say that you look for the opponents tendencies and habits and exploit them. For example, when I play the ball here, they tend to do this so Ill exploit it by doing so and so.

Lets say even if he did manage to memorize the opponents patterns, it is not realistic that his body and reactions would be able to keep up. There was one rally where the ball went super deep and angled to the forehand and he basically dived to get it and somehow managed to get the ball back on the other side. While this does happen in real life it's only at the higher level. The amount of body coordination as well as touch and feel you need to pull it off simply isn't something a beginner can achieve. I think Id have a better idea of his level if they actually showed what his training is and what sort of drills and exercises he's been doing but they dont actually show that very well ¯_(ツ)_/¯

lmao I remember they had one scene of him doing multiball (basically one person stands at the side of the table and continuously feeds balls to the person hitting) and it looks like the manager like, smashed the ball at him or something? and then was like, 'Is that all youve got?' like bruh Id throw my racket at them if my coach was like this lmao. Unless you're practicing blocking smashed or something (not very common to do especially if youre still a beginner) it's weird for her to be putting that much strength into the ball.

Im getting nitpicky at this point but I think some of the drawings weren't exactly accurate technique wise, but for the most part ping pong is very hard to draw because of all the nuances and fine details so I think they did a pretty decent job drawing it.

Another thing that makes me think the author may not be too knowledgeable on the sport is that they drew people tossing the ball with their hand over the table when serving which is an illegal move lol

Ya sports manga tends to not be too technical. It's more about the emotion and shit. Prince of Tennis, Haikyuu, Kuroko no Basket, Eyeshield 21, Ballroom e Yokousou are all unrealistic. Maybe it has to do with the history of the genre because old sports manga like Speed Racer and Captain Tsubasa are also more about the drama and less about the sport. The only sports manga I've read that feels more realistic is Ookiku Furikabutte. It focuses on the relationship of the pitcher and catcher which is very important in real life baseball. Also doesn't have super powers or anything.

I watched ping pong the animation and loved it. It's not your traditional sports anime and moreso an anime about life lol which just happens to involve table tennis. That's why I went into this manga hopeful, but alas.

Ive seen Haikyuu, Kuroko and Big Windup and yeah, they are very much your traditional shounen sports anime - but from what Ive understood from watching pro players reacting to haikyuu, the author had a very good understanding and grasp on the sport. While it might not have been realistic for highschoolers (?) it was still done well with believable plays and set ups that made sense. I think this is where this manga falls short. While I appreciate the mangakas efforts and Im thankful they wrote a story around table tennis, I think their knowledge on the sport is still lacking.

I hadn't heard of Ping Pong the Animation. It looks good. Will check it out :3

Ayy nice :3 be aware the art style is pretty out there and may take some time to get used to lol

That's fine with me. I actually like seeing different art styles (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ I dont even mind reading really old manga.