After seeing the art of that man, I wouldn't care if I hardly understood what was happening. That 2D man is FINE, wth.
The art has made serious steady improvement. It's wild how noticeably nicer it looks. In the beginning, Carlix was straight up ugly half the time. Carlix is still a trash human being, but the artist is getting really good.
junk unfortunately snatches my interest pretty bad because I'm a dummy for psycho-n-forbidden stuff, BUT Delacroix is *chef's kiss* hubby material.
ML regret is still the yummiest part for me, though. The novel felt more harsh, but he's got 'abandoned puppy' vibes in this.
to watch the sweet, sweet suffering. Lemme just say- the story has taken a great turn. The FL genuinely feels like her old naive, cotton candy self is changing at a slow but steady rate, actually considering her ongoing reality. We'll see if the character depth holds out.
for this world... but OMG the art for the ML and is so good, whyyy. He's so pretty! And the subtle humor... oof. I really like how this adaption is coming along.
Please fix my mental illness. No sane person would think this nuclear-waste-toxic ML is hot.
Please fix my sick brain.
or my soul would be gone so fast... dude got made a horrible mistake, but this chapter shows it all. He's the true goes-crazy-from-passion-not-obsession kind of yandere. The opposite of Caligo. Pass is so *chef's kiss*
This low key me! Pass wouldn’t stand a chance against me! I would fold so hard
is revenge served ice cold, worse than death, for almost every single person. A small harem (I normally hate them but) to cater to her will and needs, striking down enemies left and right, religiously/politically/physically destroy the enemies and putting her in power... the uncle begging forgiveness and turning on everyone else, creating a better world with the family he should've supported from the beginning... uuugh. Something about the FL is unlikable to me, but I support her 100%.
I hate f*kboi+virgin for different reasons. I'm SICK of people being all 'sex positivity' about men but ignore the fact that they're doing the 'good girl was staying virgin' cliché on the FL! If they were going to be all 'sex positivity is fine' then they need to start using it for both genders! And no, they are NOT doing so in this- it doesn't matter she didn't marry the ML before the sex because she's not actually breaking the cliché, she's going to end up with him! It's still giving her virginity to the man she'll stay with or whatever! It's still demanding purity on women while pretending it's not, but gives some weak and flimsy excuse for men to still get to sleep with multiple people before 'settling down'. If anything, we've got a handful of people in these comments saying 'experienced men are better in bed anyway, blah blah' as if it wouldn't be a good thing if he had still been a virgin. I can't stand people looking down on chaste men (whether by choice or not). No one is a loser for either sleeping around while single or NOT. This should apply to women, too, and I'm tired of it. Don't pretend we should defend the ML sleeping around because of sex positivity but then not notice the obvious misogynistic bull where they have the virgin good girl 'going bad' and giving her virginity to someone before technically promising each other their lives or whatever. I'm not mad he slept around, I'm mad at the stupid repetitive double standards and the way positivity is being twisted.
Good lord. F. BTW I'm not mad at anyone, just maybe giving a few a sharp look. I'm just frustrated at the way these comics twist junk. I love twisted stuff... but not this subtle tricky misogynist junk.
im going to reply to this in the morning because i don't have the energy and brain power to dissect and just destroy every single part of your argument/idiocy. i'll see you in the morning.
wakey wakey Shan.. (I’m interested in the discourse that follows.)
I'd love to see how equality is an idiot thought to you, but honestly I kinda already said my piece and won't respond. Just wanted to let you know, so you don't waste your time if you had wanted a debate. Have a good one.
LMFAOOAOAOOAOA i was busy for the past 2 days so like honestly HAHAHAHAH omg i swear i've never read a stupider comment in my entire life
i dont know if you read JUST the first chapter and ran to the comments and read the first fuckass stupid ass comment and was like omg this is definitely like the cliche ass virgin x fuckboy ! BECAUSE ITS NOT. i dont know if you actually read the story and you just didnt comprehend it, but i feel like the plot just went STRAIGHT over your smooth brain. hey, guess what! the story's subverting from the cliche by the way. "sex positivity this sex positivity that..." okay and its defending the ml from SLUTSHAMING?? like not once did anyone complain that the fl stayed a virgin OR NOT. its not like she promised to him when they started sleeping together, you know? she slept with him ON A WHIM. SHE SLEPT WITH HIM because she got cheated on and her emotional reaction to that was to take revenge on her cheater fuckass boyfriend AND TO TAKE AGENCY OF HERSELF.
"It's still giving her virginity to the man she'll stay with or whatever!" DID YOU ACTUALLY NOT READ THE MANHWA. she wanted to try having sex for the first time. and she was scared of STDs. and he GIVES HER HIS TEST RESULTS (which is MUCH BETTER THAN OTHER MEN HELLO???? bar is on the floor but at least bro brought a fucking pillow and a blanket???) and she has sex with him? why? because shes comfortable and she knows shes not gonna get diseases from him okay. shes comfortable because she knows him. THEY'VE BEEN FRIENDS. THEY WERE FRIENDS. shes just trying out sex. shes doing this out of spite and experience. SHE DOESNT EVEN KNOW IF THEY'LL END UP TOGETHER.
"It's still demanding purity on women while pretending it's not, but gives some weak and flimsy excuse for men to still get to sleep with multiple people before 'settling down'." purity????? did it just ROLL OVER YOUR HEAD??? sure she might end up with him only but the point is that SHE SLEPT WITH HIM for a messy ass reason. shes reclaiming her choice and HER BODY by choosing WHO SHE WANTS AS HER SEX PARTNER. and for the men still being able to sleep around before settling down? hey dude, no one said anything about a girl not able to sleep around. sleep around for all i care. every fucking tom dick and harry is criticising the FUCK out of the guy. like they're slutshaming him ACTING LIKE HES APPARENTLY LESS for having experiences. so obviously people are gonna defend him??? no one said anything about the girl. SO OBVIOUSLY NO ONE IS GOING TO BRING HER UP BECAUSE theres nothing wrong???
"I can't stand people looking down on chaste men (whether by choice or not). No one is a loser for either sleeping around while single or NOT." girl you not slick. i know you fucking sneak dissing me. I NEVER LOOKED DOWN ON CHASTE MEN tf. you people LOVEEE oppressing yourselves when no one is oppressing you oh my fucking god. i aint never said men who get no pussy are fucking losers that should just crawl into a hole and die. no i didnt say that. i just said that experienced men are better because you dont have to teach them. AT LEAST MOST OF THEM. some inexperienced men know their shit because they study?? okay good for them. i dont care man. Jessica, this is a fucking opinion.
"Don't pretend we should defend the ML sleeping around because of sex positivity but then not notice the obvious misogynistic bull where they have the virgin good girl 'going bad' and giving her virginity to someone before technically promising each other their lives or whatever." you know what i cant understand this fucking word salad. its so messy you're just EVERYWHERE. anyway because I CAN INFER... let me tell you... youre just fucking wrong at this point. she never once promised herself to him. MATTER OF FACT SHE DIDNT EVEN LOVE HIM?? WHEN THEY SLEPT TOGETHER. so the whole promising each other thing? that shit is out the window. so your point is VOID.
"I'm mad at the stupid repetitive double standards and the way positivity is being twisted." why? what's wrong about defending the ml from being slutshamed? how is being twisted? not every dude is a prince charming. people can have history. fuck who you want dude, the people others sleep with is none of your business. he was sleeping around BEFORE they had this arrangement. theyre not even dating rn. i dont get your point.
and then you talked about misogyny right? how this story misogynistic? it doesn’t romanticize her virginity. it treats it as just part of her story, not her value. youre not actually looking at the nuance of how the story handles those elements. shes a complex character with emotional depth to her. she makes impulsive and stupid decisions out of spite. so no this isnt a normal cliche story with an experienced guy with an inexperienced girl.
but hey THIS WOULDVE BEEN A valid rant if it was actually a MISOGYNISTIC story. next time you wanna talk your talk, you better read the whole manhwa and KEEP IN MIND that the fl and her friend is probably an unreliable narrator because its all hearsay AND THE FACT that this manhwa only has 11 chapters so dont jump the gun so soon.
with love,
shan!
you actually do have a point dw about it, unfortunately the plot do revolve around her virginity and his experience which in essence is twisted but well that's what u get on a pxrnhwa.
Oh, forgot about this. I skimmed and saw a lot of caps lock and maybe insults. Definitely a teen who's gonna grow into an unhinged hag, so I approve. You'll get there.
Unleash your rants, honey, it's okay <3
And thank you, Etoile, you summarized my point without the unhinged part, so thank you for gettin' it. I agree, it's just expectable, so eh.
its okay
I think they were just trying to explain that while their history is a central factor to the story (him sleeping around, her being a virgin) it’s not the main point. It’s character building and it’s not their motivation for sleeping with each other.
She clearly has her own autonomy to choose this for herself, so the story isn’t romanticizing her virginity, or rather—her choice of virginity. Maybe it highlights her inexperience, but at the end of the day—her reason for staying a virgin is something she no longer believes in.
The ML just so happens to be the first guy she sleeps with. Not because of love, not because she thinks she’ll end up with the her friend, but because she felt like she deserved to have fun. That’s not purity.
Well done for everyone’s talking points. I also believe the story isn’t necessarily on par with virginity it’s just that she has it. And that’s all. She’s not a puritan the manwha literally gives us a gist that she’s curious she’s just not into it with people or so she says.
Dohyeon sleeps around yes. He’s had girlfriends in Highschool which is normal. He fooled around in college too okay yes. People do that. He wasn’t with our Protagonist, they were just friends and it was her emotional response to them falling out of their friendship. The manhwa’s direction isn’t to show slutshame onto Dohyeon and isn’t Showing purity on our Protagonist either. They are both freaky. Our protagonist is just emotional about her partner not giving the time to let them both not engage in intercourse. She’s conflicted to try it because of the emotional response (her making herself drunk to cope.) Dohyeon allows that as an outlet. We as viewers only hear the ‘rumors’ and ‘gossip’ from Friends/Classmates in the story. We don’t have a background onto Dohyeon yet! So we should look forward to it. 11 chapters isn’t enough for a full analysis
i hate ignorant illiterate people who don't want to understand what they read