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I agree

Nugget-kun and squishy-senpai

DeGraDinG TerMs

Oh my, how dare they!

I don't think anyone refers to gay men as those things aside from in fiction? Also 'tops' and 'bottoms' are an actual thing(If that's what's upsetting you), displayed by many gay dating apps. Either way I don't think it's anyone intention to degrade anyone else with these terms.

What are u a sjw?
It’s literally just another way of saying top or bottom. Gay men say it all the time. On another topic best nickname on this site is “don’t close close mountain/redhead” lmao

faggot and faggot

Well...at least you’re self aware this is an unpopular opinion..

It’s just a term for gay fictional anime characters. People really don’t call real men the “uke” or “seme”.
No one outside of boys love even knows what it is anyways.

UKE AND SEME LITERALLY ARE WHAT POSTITIONS THEY ARE IN BED. sorry lol. uke and seme are japanese words describing what position they are. uke translated to english means receiving and seme in google translate means TO ATTACK LOL. no but i dont feel like its degrading, some people say in real life there is no top and bottom and yeah some people irl like to swap but there are also people who prefer a side. and since this is manga and manhwa and so forth there are gonna be people saying uke and seme because most of the stuff on here is japanese ;p. but i respecc ur opinion anyway. thanks for listening to my TED talk.

Uke/seme is the Japanese equivalent of saying bottom/top to us. Not much difference, just the language. So why would gay men who do in fact use the terms (bottom/top) be degrading to themselves?

New to yaoi? Haha if you're sensitive just visit gay porn websites and get matured.

Uke and Seme are just the japanese terms for top and bottom in BL mangas and fanfictions. Also for the mangas if you don't like usint uke and seme theres always the tachi and neko where tachi is the top and neko(meaning cat but in BL mangas it refers to the position of bottom) is the bottom. But if you are new to BL thrn get used to it cause most people call then uke and seme to make it easier to either describe or explain. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I agree that they're cringey and its, but not particularly degrading. Pretty well deserved if I'm being honest since most of the yaoi stories are just based around sex and most of the characters aren't even gay anyway 'cause If iT's YoU It'S oKay

I can understand that.

Part of the problem is unawareness - one can use the terms in that way because others do and so it appears correct and inoffensive; the other part is that BL creators (whether or not it's appropiate) generally sort their characters routinely into these roles, which means calling them "uke" or "seme" has a literary element such as "protagonist" and "antagonist".

Of course, that doesn't mean people should just live in ignorance and perpetuate an insenitive or generally inaccurate way of describing characters, and that other people shouldn't make them aware. It just means that there's less harm intended than mere general laziness and uncaring, in many cases.

I’m gay and it’s okay to say them when referring to fictional characters but u right it’s weird asf when ppl do it irl 0.o like why r u assuming who’s which...

Congratulations!! ☆*:.｡.o(≧▽≦)o.｡.:*☆

Glad you were able to make it out! I'm sure it took a lot of courage. :) You will have better days ahead

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you might like this???? its seriously incredible

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/koori_no_mamono_no_monogatari/
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http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/super_lovers/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/komatta_toki_ni_wa_hoshi_ni_kike/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/totally_captivated/
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or you can just go to my page and see my reading and completed list. I read just about everything. i'm not picky and because i read everything, there are a lot of diamonds among the rocks

These are all completed:
https://www.blobtranslations.com/lord-and-dragon/
http://snowycodex.com/translations/novels/tpcfc/
http://bltranslation.blogspot.com/2016/01/brother-by-ren-ti-gu-jia.html?m=1
https://www.wattpad.com/story/94128413-love-you-59-seconds

The main story for this is complete, but the side stories are not:
https://itslovetranslation.blogspot.com/2015/10/kill-lights-chapters.html?m=1

some of my current faves
-Quickly Wear the face of the devil (this one is the best!)
- Waiting for You Online
-The Founder of Diabolism
-Transmigrating into a Mob Character to Rehabilitate the Villain Plan

Cold Sands & War Prisoner. These two are awesome.

- Agreement of being gay for 30 days
- Rebirth of a Supermodel
- Feng Man
- Golden Assistant

Hua Hua You Long is my all time favorite

True Star

Where do you find them tho??

highly recommend Legendary master of wife.

novelupdates.com

Addicted (a must read!)
Advance bravery
Will you still love me even if I'm a man?
He is his excellency Zhi Li

I'm an idiot I meant uke but my phone thinks it's like maybe it uses the manga font?

True, I’m the worst with names I can’t even remember my classmates and siblings names and people think its rude but it’s just me + asian names are harder you know

I just have a shit memory, I don't even remember the names of my favourite characters

"Blue haired cunt"

So true. But I, personally, and just terrible with names, especially when I'm not familiar with them.

Is dark white a color? Isn't that light grey?
(Preparing for an argument about color.)

THAT TUMBLR POST ABOUT THE SHIRT

D A R K W H I T E

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i think also has to do with the fact that it's a foreign name so it's kind hard it commit to memory. especially the hard to pronounce ones.

as for me, i only remember the names of my favorite characters. others thousands of names are mashed together in my brain. can't help it.

Delinquent uke http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/shirouto_yankee_kikiippatsu/

Delinquent seme (pretty dark) http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sneaky_red/

Both:
Iberico Pigs
Dog Style (love this one)

Followingg

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sensei_punch/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/devils_honey/uu/devils_honey-chapter-1
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/rouge_katsura_komachi/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/ashita_wa_docchi_da/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/bxp_anx/ (Still ongoing!)
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kemono_ni_namida/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/wakaki_taketora_kun_no_nayami/

Woah what's the name of the manga?

What is the name ?

Name!

Name ?!?

name?

following

omgomg what is it

The name was If Only Time Stopped at the Moment We First Met

eh..thats like 80% of yaoi ╮(￣▽￣)╭ for me would be child abuse ╥﹏╥

If the dude looks like a lady

Sadly yes and eheheh like I understand if it's a character back story

Too many oh way too many

Shotacon

I'm probably the pickiest reader ever.

Rape/abuse turned to love trope - Pet/owner - Dom/Sub kink
Shotacon/ pedo
Flurry
Omegauniverse/ Mpreg stuff
Incest
Uke looks and behaves like a girl
Uke is supposed to be an adult but has the stature and face of a preteen.

That means 99% of Yaoi stories are out of my shelf.

Adultery, pedo and a few more i cant think of ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

is looking like a girl that degrading?

majority of yaoi is rape? ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
If I want to put a standard, I'd just read literature. I kind of turn it off when reading yaoi smut. In other words I have a veeeeery large threshold in BL. BUT if we are talking about plot, I frown at incest and adult x minor sex with super wide age gap.

I'm not the same anon who posted that but I have the same pet peeve with yaoi stories who make the uke look like a girl so I'll add my bit if you don't mind.
It is degrading when:
- it's done based on a stereotype of gay couples. It's not a coincidence that it's always the uke who is made look like a girl. Where this association comes from? From the very archaic and prejudiced idea that no real men would accept the role of being fucked by another man. Thus the trope of creating ukes that are resemble girls as much as possible or the so called 'chicks with dicks'. Another proof of this stereotype is that very few couples in Yaoi are sekes because who would believe a 'girl looking' guy to be a top?
- It's done based on a stereotype of girls in relationships. Again, it's always the uke who takes the appearance of girl and most of the time the girly uke is written with very stereotyped ideas of women. They are naive, submissive, they are abused, forgiving, they are the ones who blush and they are almost always the ones being chased.
10 out of 10 stories with gay men in Yaoi that has one of the partners looking like a girl do it to fit into the stereotypes above.
The problem is not that one of the guy looks like a girl but the reason why the story needed to make him look like one and that's what makes the representation degrading.

Thank you for explaining it to me! Cuz I was honestly asking why that opinion.
We actually think the same tho if those stereotypes aren't included and if a guy is a typical normal uke just feminine, I don't mind at all.

I honestly wish more yaoi avoided this it would make for such an interesting story. I hate that there are pretty much no sekes the role of uke is oh this guy is shorter or looks more like a girl, even though those things are simply not a factor. The stereotype type is so untrue of course there are couples that follow it but most at least from my experience aren't. I love the way you phrased this and personally agree with all of it

interesting. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ lots of fujoshi had this view as i notice but i'm probably one of the few who are okay with "chicks with dicks" though not as much as i love my manly couples. i think they are cute tho.

Realistic rape. Bad pace. Shallow plot and characters (=boring). I've dropped a few mangas like that.

i feel bad when i read this comment XD



plz dont kill meh i actually enjoy most of the stuff you just listed ;-;'
if i were to be honest, i would immediately put down a yaoi if all they ever do is have... you know... sex. like, window to window had a good plot, but after a while, all they did was just have sex. it was kinda disappointing. I like interesting plots and what not, having a dark back story would actually be very appealing to me. I also dont like it when the plot doesn't move. All they do is avoid each other and nothing happens. Whelp, thats all i got to say. GTG DO HW YO

good plan boi. I should try it. ヾ(☆▽☆)

A lack of communication i have to think of A Guy like you webtoon xD

sadly, but that describes Killing Stalking. There is absolutely no yaoi as far as what I am reading from Killing Stalking. （￣へ￣）

Whoops I replied to the wrong person! （/TДT)/ (⊙…⊙ )

XD I CAN RELATE BOII

There was this "yaoi" on wattpad I read and BOI did it have a fucked up plot
LIke I finished it and there was ABSOLUTLEY NO YAOI the guy ends up killing himself and leaving his raped sister behind to the creep
It was the authors first book but still I was fucked up
(๑•ㅂ•)و✧

bad characterization of character with no redeeming qualities yet still ends up happy without consequences of their actions, bad love triangles, tsunderes, cliches storylines, cheap plot where its just sex and no story, where one of them cheats and its apparently okay,where uke is weak and frail asf, and harem, where everyone attacks uke for a piece of his ass or where everyone is attracted to him.

Killing stalking is yaoi? why? ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Pedophilia, shotacon, rape/abuse to love, misoginya, machism, biphobia, stupid/unnecessary missanderstandings, too much fluids during sex (yk?), uke/seme trope like almost every BL, lazy narrative, misconception of BDSM, glorification of toxic relationships without a second lecture....

Omegaverse and bad or incredibly old art.

It's very odd, I don't like omegaverses because most of the time, it portrays rape in a deserved or controversial light. It conflicts with my morality although I know it's fiction. I'm actually fine with reading actually terrible rape because we all know and it's implied that it's immoral. Funny enough, rapey semes from normal yaoi manga only sometimes put me off because I think the uke can sometimes techincally get out of those situations. I think what sets me off is the fact that omegas can be knotted to basically their rapists and/or rape is dismissed in that universe because it is hard for alphas to control themselves.

I'm just very picky with art nowadays and I can't really do much about it. It kind of sucks because I might be missing out on a good story because I'm solely judging it on the art. For example, I used to love Sekaiichi Hatsukoi but now I can't even read the manga anymore because the art (and the stories now I guess) kill me a little.

These are just my preferences. You are free to like what you like and I'm not going to bash you for it.

Sekaiichii hatsukoi has an horrible art. It distress my eyes and the story is based in the most stupid misunderstanding I have ever read in a story and from that circles of the same situations.
Old style art used to mean bad and cliche/boring stories so I associated it and cant handle them either with exceptions.
Omegaverse is like a lobotomy in manga form. Fate and free rape to make lazy yaoi mangakas to thnk even less about their stories.

Lobotomy in manga form! What a great comparison! xD

Pedophilia/statuory rape, skinny/shy/feminine ukes, douchebag/rapey semes

I really wonder how you find yaoi manga to read ( ._.)
I swear that 98% of yaoi manga have at least one thing you dislike.
I wouldn't be able to read much yaoi manga if I had your preferences and I'm already nitpicky enough that I've run out of new yaoi manga to read :/

(I'm not bashing your preferences, I'm just genuinely curious as to how you find yaoi manga that you're fine with.)

i agree. i do like the concept of omegaverse because i used to read it in fanfics and whatever, but ever since it came to the manga world, it been a shit show. its all rape and its a hierarchy. it seems that people only like the story because the omegavese label is slapped onto it, even though the story is like any other typical non omegavese story. and i cant believe some morons on here actually want to live in an omegaverse world. and yeah, sekkaiichi and junjou is just getting old and boring. its like any other story, except the others are condensed into one volume while sekkkai and junjou are long and dragged out.

Yeah, yaoi manga has ruined omegaverses for me. As soon as I see the tag, I click off. In fanfiction though, I sometimes gave it a chance. I do find it very cute when the alpha does everything he can to control himself and take care of the omega and his heats.

hold my apple juice i have a list

- age gaps
- illogical rape (uke falls in love and forgets about the fact he was abducted, abused then raped)
- body design makes no sense
- children are included
- the dudes look like women
- it's a fanfiction or dj
- incest
- bad story line
- the characters are stupid
- the story is overdramatic
- the story has 0 logic
- the characters are just dull
- it's just fucking and then they're lovers (I want some development)
- Really bad art (eyes are oversized, faces look weird, no body proportions)
- dude has a harem
- tsundere ukes
- one of them never stops the other dude or even attempts to

etc.

challenge: name a story that you like.

same. I wanna see which yaoi it is that passed this huge list test. Must be one good manga.

Hold my green tea

most of my favorites are shounen-ai, but here are my yaoi favorites lmao. they might break some rules but i let it pass just cause it was super funny or super cute.

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/liquor_cigarette/ (bootyful art, I love the pacing, it's pretty great)
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/december_rain/ (at least for now, the story got me, hooked man)
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/shinyuu_tte_soko_made_shinakucha_ikenai_no/ (just funny as heck, a bit awkward scenes that don't flow well but overall pretty enjoyable)
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_perfect_relationship/ (don't know yet, but like this story line is pretty interesting af too)


dunno if y'all will like those, but these are my preferences.

shotacon. I can read one or two? But more than that and I just cringe.

i can relate but throughout the years i've learned to be more lenient. i mean i'm a wide reader since young so i have a lot to compare. so i say: "fuck my standards (╯°Д °)╯╧╧" and proceed to read everything. perhaps it may not be applicable for everybody but i enjoy yaoi more by that.

Shotacon, bestiality (including characters that can turn into animals), seme abusing uke, omegaverse, idiot characters, too much porn and no plot or simply boring, nonsensical story.

Same stuff for me also I will forever use the phrase "hold my Apple juice"

Ahh the bestiality thing I showed a friend of mine this popular omegaverse where the seme was a wolf or something and yhey had children, anyway I did this as a joke and now they won't stop saying that it's my favourite and everything I read is it. God damn bestiality

foe me i don't like the shorter seme and the taller Luke AT ALL !!
also the incest i am not into it
and there is some fujoshis who like the uke being fat/short and seme being thin/alot taller i can't understand what is so awesome about it
and yea i have started hating BARA also

Sounds like you only like stereotypical stuff. Short uke and tall seme. I get that incest would be a turn off for most people because its pretty much morally wrong, and bara, because its geared towards gay men, not straight women, but seriously, taller uke and shorter seme? And do you have something against thicker people or something? Is you for real?