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yeah and its even hard to find one without any SA in them

especially when it's very obviously brushed aside/not handled with care...like I get it if it IS handled with care, but for it to be a random plot point with no real consequences.

sorry accidentally sent it too quick

but it pisses me off

THISSSS! like if it is done in a way where it shows that its wrong and realistic its something else! But i HATE it when its seen as normal or just not that important

Bcs it normalized now and it popular nowadays. Authors seem to have fetish for it too

You would love the forum

me personally do not like " feminine gay men " i find
"some " of them to be somewhat annoying . they act fem and girly like to the point where they slur the words that come out of there mouth, and do weird hand gestures . they act more girly than what girls would act like. ( i dont hate fem guys ) i just dislike the type that i stated . that's why most fem gay men gets hate , do to the overly fem type.

Dats like some of them not all... maybe the one's you met or seen or like dat but not all of them are like dat though.

I feel like unchecked and *unnoticed* internalized homophobia helps with that a LOT, they fight against offensive representations of homosexuality (and gay man have been represented as effemininate since the dawn of homophobia, like in old movies and shit) and end up forgetting that some ppl really do just be like that and it's not a meme, it's not a joke, it's how they wanna live.
Also, being cynical, I feel like it has to do with lgbt ppl having been bullied/mistreated in past a lot and when they see someone that is "easier" to mistreat bc they "look gay"/don't pass as het/make the lgbt community "look worse" they jump on it, acting like mean girls in a nursing course
But that's just my opinion and, as a sapphic, nothing pains me more than seeing the community turn against each other like??? things are hard, guys??? let's just be friends instead, no????

true

I dont hate femboy but i hate how almost 80% of bl’s author/artist (mostly artist coz most bl author novel never simplicity uke as girl-like appearance) glorifying femboy as weak,stupid,poor,dependent and in need of rescue from prince charming sorta thing and most buff uke are usually those that are in higher positions in society. The differences is too off-putting but then i understand coz quite alot bl artist is fujoshi so I can’t say much to that ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Omg I love dis take broo, your so right.I hate when they do dat like why are they so weak and the one I hate the most is the poor uke and the rich semen trope

Semen typo

Seme

Hold up, ur talking abt IRL community fckinhell im tripping. I thought its abt the bl manhwa or someshit. Anyways, idk which community ur hanging out with coz thats kinda fcked up. Honestly its all just stigma. But i do sometimes get annoyed with the “extra” from femboy, i gues they jst feel the need to be dramatic to uphold the “queen” status? Most of my friends are femboy so ive built tolerance with them

yeah i really dislike the drama queen type.

Tbh I'm talking about in real life and in bls

i'm aware.

You are right but when it comes to fiction it's not just abt being a fem guy but being heteronormative and it's fetishizing

Your so right

It's interesting, isn't it ? That even in the LGBT+ community there is still a need to tell who is '' feminine '' or '' masculine '' ?

I really like that conversation. And i especially like the word androgenous personnally, because it means there is space between
'' masculine OR feminine '' it's an inclusive word. it helps in this conversation i think ?? Conversation with the people who are desesperately trying to put people into boxes. I like that i can be a woman AND androgynous. Just as a man may identify as androgenous as well, (or not ).
Personnally i like to be called an androgenous woman, and i dislike being called '' a woman with a man mannerism '' or '' a woman who looks like a man '' because to me it just doesn't make sense. _ (okay it's sometimes helpful to talk about '' feminine and masculine '' it's just that personnally, i am more of a " yin yang " person !! :-)

I’ve seen this topic come up recently with men painting their nails!!
It lowkey, has to do with misogyny. The patriarchy has us conditioned into thinking feminine attributes in males and females are bad, because those attributes are associated with women.
So like when there is a metrosexual man or homosexual man who is in touch with their feminine side, they unfortunately get associated with the same negative opinion.

This also doesn’t include sexual preference, ofc you like what you like.
Women hating on feminine men (for being feminine) IS INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY.

No there isn't

Also fem men can be het as well. I wish we would stop associating fem men with homosexuality cause it's just incredibly limiting them in their gender expression

You right, thanks! All genders with feminine traits have been discriminated against by all genders. Because of a generalized hatred of women. ╮(￣▽￣)╭