Ok, besides the fact that this situation is really worrisome, as a Motorsport fan I just have to point out, yet again, how I really appreciate the accuracy of all the different terms and procedures concerning the race, the cars, the personnel etc. Those little details are extremely satisfying and wholesome to me.
The author has worked with racing before, that's why she knows so much! I also appreciate the details very much <3
Yes, I read before that they had experience with racing stalls. It really gives a whole other sense of realism to it when you take from your own experiences!
A bit disappointed to see that Calen's backstory wasn't actually forgotten but apparently actually wilfully ignored by the author.
I don't quite see the point in creating such a vast and complicated universe and setting if you don't plan to follow it through to the end.
Now Calen feels pretty empty as a character. Some more depth would really have done him good.
She feels betrayed because Junyoung hypothetically had an affair with her boyfriend. And it IS a betrayal to her because to Junyoung it was the truth right up 'til the misunderstanding was cleared up. Does it actually make a difference whether it was real or not? Because although he agonised over it, Junyoung still consciously made the decision to continue seeing (what he thought was) his best friend's boyfriend.
Try to see it from her perspective.
Now, I feel that she went overboard here, but I also think that she's just venting her anger, and that it's a step along the way to accept him again as a friend. This is probably the course the story will head in.
Mari needs to chill, but so do you guys.
But also consider the fact that she was dating a married man so either way it's only fair to say that she doesn't really have a right to be mad.
Well, yep, you can't take her anger that seriously when she said she would devote her entire life to making Junyoung miserable... That she'd steal all his lovers, men or women... Lol, that kind of dedication is almost admirable. What if Junyoung dates people she doesn't find the least attractive? ...Her tantrums are starting to become funny as hell.
I get that she's mad about that and when you think about it from her point it view, what Junyoung did was wrong. But to be mad to the point of threatening to steal every single one of his future lovers is just insane. It's creepy and stalker-ish. You can definitely see that there's something wrong with her.
She's not a saint, and Junyoung remarked upon her flaws as well - she's supposed to be a flawed character. But this has absolutely NOTHING to do with her and Junyoung's relationship. It's not relevant to their trust in each other as friends. This is something Junyoung was aware of before, too.
I disagree. If they were in a stable relationship and he wasn't married then this would be a big deal but considering that all he did (actually not cuz he dated her brother) was a help to destroy a messed up a relationship.
Yep she can be mad, but no where near to this point considering the situation.
I think you haven't really addressed my point here.
To clarify once again: Junyoung knows about Mari and her relationships with married men from the get go - and he doesn't care. They are still friends, this matter doesn't affect their relationship. Things are initially neutral between them, at 0. This is known, Khaleesi.
So naturally the above isn't an excuse to disregard or simply brush off something that has been done that harms their relationship - aka Junyoung going out with what he thought was her boyfriend. This puts them somewhere below 0, and Junyoung initiated it. He is responsible for the cause which grinds a gear between them. Again, this isn't really something debatable, it's simply how things have actually progressed.
It may have been a misunderstanding, but only really on Junyoung's part. If Shihoon and Mari had actually been together instead of being siblings, it wouldn't have made a difference for Junyoung - this is what he always believed, and he acted knowing only THIS.
Now, you can debate how bad you think going out with your best friend's partner actually is. I personally would be very upset with my friend, but maybe you wouldn't be?
I don't think you understand my point. What I'm saying is that she should consider the context and not be mad to this extent. I'm not saying that she should brush of what happened.
I wouldn't be that upset at my friend and act like a crazy person. I also wouldn't date someone who was married and expect them to be royal to me while they are cheating on their wife.
You can respond to me again but frankly, if you're not considering the fact that mari was dating someone that was married (doing something even worse than what her friend did) and thus she doesn't have that much of a right to judge someone for that (she does have a bit of a right to do so but that's only because they were friends) I don't think we will get very far.
Like I said, the fact that she dates married men (which btw is the fault of that very man more than hers, he's the one who's made a promise, a commitment, and is breaking it, not her) is something Junyoung already is well aware of and accepts. This is the basis of their friendship as we know of it in the series from the start.
So what I don't get is how you won't even humour the notion that this is something between them as friends, and that it doesn't have anything to do with what they do outside of their friendship.
All I'm hearing is you babbling about some morals, and I get that you, well, have them. I just don't see how YOU think it's relevant to Mari's and Junyoung's relationship when THEY don't.
Not really, it's both her and his fault equally.
Well, would you rather break up the relationship between your friend and some guy who is loyal to her and doesn't have anyone else or some guy who has a wife and children? This is both between them as friends and other people. You have to consider or the factors or you're not making a judgment based on the full picture.
I don't think the first thing the potential partners that Mari meet says is "Hi, I'm married," and it's not my impression that she goes after them because they are married in the first place. If we consider this, Mari would then just be meeting a guy, while the guy who is married has already decided to be unfaithful. Even if you say that she already knows, she's already been scolded by the latest ex-wife regarding this, her flaws has been remarked upon and exposed in front of both her brother and Junyoung - that she's just an attention-seeking princess that wants to be pampered.
There's no question that she's done wrong, but Mari also has a right to be angry. While actually going through with her spoken revenge would be too much, she's probably just venting, wanting Junyoung to be punished somehow, as well. We don't know the outcome, so we can't really judge it yet.
You said this before: "the fact that mari was dating someone that was married (doing something even worse than what her friend did)", and I can't help but think that you must have forgotten how Junyoung is actually guilty of the same thing. He thought all along that Shihoon was married and had a family, but also had a lover in Mari, and still went through with it. So Mari can't possibly be worse than him when he first did something equally bad - the exact same thing - AND betrayed his friend.
Of course there's a bigger picture, but how is all that relevant when what we're trying to look at and judge here is the relationship between Mari and Jungyoung? It's not a pissing contest between them of who did the most bad things. We only NEED to look at things that are relevant to and have an impact on their relationship.
Let's just agree to disagree. I would read your whole reply but I'm tired and I think we will just end up repeating the same things over and over again.
That was a little too drastic of a change. You barely have words to put in your mouth when you're confronted by such illogical and aggressive demeanour, but he gathers enough courage in about a second to pull out something just short of a speech.
The sentiment gets through, it's just a little too obvious.
Maybe not put so much pressure between his eyebrows? I don't think I've ever seen the guy furrow them, if even make another facial expression than a neutral one xD
Ughhh my fat fingers made me dislike :(( noOoO
This was all very jumpy, and it didn't feel like there was much of a red line throughout it all. The goals were fulfilled effortlessly, and the only real dilemma was that of Makoto and the situation with his dad.
Sometimes it felt as if I had missed a chapter in between. It was as if the author couldn't quite decide where they wanted the story to go, and moreover was unwilling to trade slower development with the relationships (which still would have been better here, imo) for the sake of exploring the setting and world more thoroughly.
I feel like there were some plots that weren't followed through. For example, it seemed like Calen's memories were supposed to tell us a lot more about him and his previous life, but we got nothing of the sort, and we probably won't either.
I like Calen's looks, but he's pretty much the only outstanding character in the series, and the lack of female characters bothered me (everyone but the main couple were side characters anyway, calm your yaoi-tits).
It's not actually a bad read overall, though. I just feel like it had so much unfulfilled potential.
Oh, also this: "It is unforgivable to take lives for any other reason except eating."
Just what... You're saying you need to breed and kill animals just for your taste buds - and that's completely fine - but not defending your very lives from monsters that wants to kill you? Where the fuck is the logic.
Maybe they mean in a more hunter logic kind of way. Natural bred, in the wild. I mean, they said there is the farmer job. Maybe vegetables are considered living plants too. Who knows. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I want to recall that even Calen remarked upon something about them breeding animals, when he was introduced to the world.
Well, we knew it was coming eventually. We all knew it was going to be resolved. What I'm looking forward to the most is to not read in the comment section the same repetitive comments venting their frustration about the misunderstanding which, again, they knew was going to be resolved. Good riddance, you can finally get on with your lives.
As for the chapter, I really like how straight-up and honestly Junyoung told him about his perspective of things. It was almost too insightful. But then again, he's probably been thinking a lot about what he was going to say if he got the chance to. And the author, of course, wants to come squeaky clean with the whole situation, as well. Refreshing, overall.
Is this author kidding around? They're just gonna drop the ending THIS abruptly, leaving everyone confused as hell and feeling like nothing got cleared up, and then fucking fill in everything in some creator's notes?!
DUDE. All of that should have been IN the comic. What did you even go through the trouble to come up with all that for?
I'm seriously dumb-founded. Just... what.
I don’t know why you expect someone’s FIRST project to be perfect or anything close to it. The author even states in their a/n that they agonized over this ending, so clearly it was trouble for them.
This doesn't have anything to do with my own preferences, it's about the expectations that the author themselves have built up for us. It sounded like they put a LOT of thought into the series and how it should end. And it's been going pretty smoothly structure-wise through it all. So why rush it now?
Maybe there's some reason for it - we don't know and probably never will - but the truth of it stays the same: it's a hella shitty ending.
This is worded just right. It felt like they had a much more complicated, well-thought-out ending in mind, but decided to rush and ret-con the flow of events/relationships that they themselves had built up.
Apparently some huge shit went down with Lezhin (the original site this story is from) authors weren’t getting the amount of money they were promised or something like that and on top of it were on unrealist deadlines. I think it was this one actually where there were several hiatuses from the issue. When questioned on tumblr the Lezhin ppl either denied the rumours or flat out ignored them. This sadly isn’t the only story that suffered a rushed ending due to what happened.
*Unrealistic sorry. Very cold hard to type.
As a continuation tho. You’re right, where this story seemed to be going could have been fantastic.
Yes, I was afraid that was the case with this story, as well. It really is shitty that they have to put up with Lezhin's shit like this, and I could understand that they felt as if they had to rush the ending because of it. I also get that they can't exactly badmouth them directly in the afterword, but we're not really getting a clear picture of the situation. Critique-wise it all still stands, but of course I can be lenient about the circumstances.
The ending was a little abrupt, but otherwise this was pretty good! The setting and characters are very unique and refreshing, and I also appreciate that it's not too sexualised (I mean how the acts are actually portrayed).