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Omg, ditto. I had to just move through it fast.

Omg, ditto. I had to just move through it fast. It felt all over the place

oh glad to see i wasn’t the only one suffering through that, it was insanely messy, i thought i was delusional or something

STOPPP YOU’RE GONNA MAKE ME CRY

*voice not give

What's alst

Alien stage. You can find it on youtube ^_^

Ur funny. And what type of character do you mean that you dislike about Till that relates to this mc here? Till already had a crush, he didn’t use Ivan, and they’re really different from each other, including personality wise. And honestly the mc is only acting like that infront of the ml, he knows he is like the rest, using the ml for money and luxury.

Exactly!

I think you are a bit dumb man

I meant the naive fearless type that doesn't get that it just won't happen. It's just not for me, I couldn't care less about the romance in alien stage

Y'all quick to jump into conclusions about me when I'm not even talking about IvanTill (never mention Ivan and romance by the way!) but just him as a character. God forbid someone has an opinion and makes cross comparisons

Honestly me too I'm not really feeling his character and their whole dynamic because there's nothing 'genuine' going on, ML is obsessed with him just because of one tiny act which many MLs also do, but MC is a literal airhead who just feels a bit of a forced 'strong MC'? I don't know but to me ignorant righteousness doesn't equate to a strong character

Dunno if we read the same manhua but he's like that to everyone. All he sees in everything he does is money so far. Also he literally disregards every other factor besides what he believes just like when he dumps a bucket of water to random strangers, vandalizes property just because he dislikes someone a bit, always assumes ML is looking down at him or sabotaging him, slithers his way into opportunities and suddenly goes 360 when presented with money, I don't get why people are mocking the OP at all when they have every right to dislike the MC. Besides I've watched alien stage, they do have lots of similarities including them forcing their way, not reading the environment, having this guy who just swoops in and unconditionally loves them for the bare minimum

Thank you that's literally what I was trying to say. I'm just comparing this one character I dislike to another character I'm not really feeling. They're so hyperfocused on the IvanTill relationship that even when I never mentioned anything about romance or Ivan they think I'm pertaining to that. Wow I can't even dislike character personalities now?? Not everything is about romance lol and if you can't even distinguish that then you have no right to be calling me the 'dumb' one

Till was never the fearless naive type. And this thing is about romance so ofc I would assume you were talking about romance because you mentioned abt treating the ml better.

Yes God forbid you say smt and mention another character from another show, yes I am quick to jump into conclusions, and romance I would say was included naturally bc you mentioned the ml being obsessed with you and you being able to treat him better, also the story is about romance, so I did jump into conclusions

Yes we did read the same manhua, he is like everyone else, I’m saying he is a suck up, I’ve never mocked the op for disliking the mc, I kind of dislike the mc as well, but I’m saying the mc isn’t a pick me boy, instead he’s just a stuck up to everyone including girls and boys because he wants to gain smt from them. And clearly you have been watching alien stage with ur eyes close and only ears opened, Till had never forced his way into anything, he sung, he tried to survive, and basically stayed in his world, and in what world had Till never read the environment, you seem him 3 times total, his round, Ivan’s round, and his last round, not once had he not ‘read the environment’, and that ‘having a guy just swoops in and love them unconditionally for the bare minimum’ is the only similarities that isn’t even in their control?? Ivan loving Till is none of Till’s fault, and Till literally gets beaten up and sa’s so it’s no wonder he gets at least a bare minimum of help, also yes Ivan gets the bare minimum because Till doesn’t like him, he never knew until Ivan died, so literally none of them are similar. The mc here is poor, he openly uses people, but forcing his way? As in what? Trying to save the ml from stabbing him self on the stage in front of everyone?? Like what? And no, I dislike the mc a bit but they are nothing alike?? If your gonna compare at least make it someone who is alike, and no, one is mocking them.

No one is mocking the op*

Ok? Just because YOU think they aren't similar doesn't mean WE can't think that way. We already said why we think he's similar to Till in our perspective and YES Till is the naive fearless type because he always pushed his own way through without considering the consequences such as him literally always defying the aliens and then always proceeding to be punished for it HE NEVER READS THE ENVIRONMENT AND DOES WHAT HE WANTS. So it might be his personality sure but I'm saying I don't like that personally. And yes people ARE mocking the OP "You're funny" - basically already mocking their opinion "I think you are a bit dumb man" - It's self explanatory are you blind?? You're pointing out points where they aren't similar and IM pointing out things where they are similar. We're not even talking about the things you mentioned!

1. Ivan starts to love Till for one reason and keeps loving him despite receiving the bare minimum from him - ML loves MC just because of one incident and keeps loving him despite being used, mocked, and done bad things to by the MC (vandalism, talking badly about him, trying to destroy his clothes) he also gets the bare minimum of interaction from him which keeps him in love

2. By swoops in I meant loving them and being there no matter what stupid shit they do without feeling anything about it even though it would be a massive "Are you stupid?" reaction if they were a real person.

3. Both Till and MC disregards what happens to the people around them a lot of times and pushes what they want. Till sang whatever he wanted rather than the arranged song essentially killing his opponent without even giving them a chance to live -- MC was about to cut up MLs costume which will cause ML to flash the audience and essentially bring him into a negative spotlight which can affect his whole career badly.

4. They both have no regards for consequences or the environment they're in and still does whatever they want. Till constantly defies the aliens and does as he please despite then literally having absolute power over them then get jumpscared when he's punished. MC keeps on crossing paths with the rich and MLs career for example when he vandalized ML's poster and got surprised as to oh woe is me why did I get punished for my own actions by his fangirls!! They both ignore obvious consequences and proceed to do what they please.

Honestly you're tiring to speak to because you keep twisting words just to prove we're wrong about OUR OPINION. Even if it's something minor A SIMILARITY IS A SIMILARITY. Gosh, just accept that you're not right about everything and that people can have different interpretation for things that are THEIR OPINION

People might interpret their personalities differently and in a way Till might be strong, but in this context we don't view it that way, and in the first place I don't even like Till.

Did I mention about his romance with Ivan??? I literally specified his 'character'. Who cares if the story is romance not everyone is talking about that all the time I can literally refer to anything else.

I did mention that I did assume. In that case you want a sorry so I can be clear? I’m sorry that I assumed and I already give you the reason why I assumed. And I don’t get what you mean by, ‘who cares if the story is romance’ the whole point of this manhua is abt the romance so I would expect everyone to talk about the romance or anything related to it.

Bro be so fr, you stated that the mc and still are the same, you’ve never said in ur opinions, none of yall said in ur opinions or made it clear either way. He never reads the environment and wanting to not be controlled and get sa is literally not the same. And no sayinh someone is funny is not mocking them, I meant it genuinely that what the op said was funny about the demonstration of pick me for the mc in this manhua, and are you blind urself? I’m refuting against the claims that ‘makes the mc and Till the same’ because in no way is it even close to the same. And yes you are talking about the things I was saying bc that is what I was responding to.

1. Yes ur correct like I said, the ml likes the mc and Ivan likes till for the bare minimum because they chose to, also it’s pretty obvious that mc and ml had known each other in another life and the ml is obviously gonna keep pursuing mc.

2. Till never had a ‘are you stupid situation’ where Ivan ‘saves’ him. And where has the ml ever saved mc in this situation yet?

3. Till is a life and death situation, yes that makes his dislikfull as he switch the song to his benefit but in the end one of them was going to die anyways, shit idk what to say about the mc here, never said he wasn’t a bad person so I’m just leave that dude alone

4. Okay I can see and understand four, but would you really wanna get controlled under a bunch of ugly aliens

The last one, yes I did admit to my mistakes and said that I was assuming and the reason why I assumed, and I’m not even tiring to speak buddy? We spoke ONCE this is gonna be the second time, I’ve never really took this srs, I clearly asked and y’all got all defensive, and yes the first sentence about ‘you’re funny.’ Is to show that I thought it was hilarious they said such think and I was just asking why they thought mc and Till were the same and I pointed out some reasons why I don’t think they were the same. If it really was an opinion I’d rather you might as well say it in their sentences if they’re just gonna post a comment for everyone to see. And GOSH you uppercasing these letters are really not helping, this shit is hilarious.

Also someone saying, ‘I think ur dumb man’ isn’t really mocking, they straight up said it, and said ‘I think’ so just take it lightly buddy

What time is this set to? Cause how did y’all respond at 3 am and it’s only 12 for me, yall different time zones or smt? We can talk abt this tmr if yall need some sleep or something?

This level of denial is fucking insane you really can't take being in the wrong

Ok? And that's just the way I talk, of course I'm gonna defend what I said when you're contradicting it are you high??? And yes you're tiring to speak to if I say you're tiring to speak to. You make it hard to have a proper conversation when you're talking as if you're in a higher stand point making the other person feel mocked and disrespected. OP never said MC was a pick me?? They only said hes the type of "IM NOT SCARED OF YOU IM NOT LIKE OTHER GIRLS" which USUALLY appears in pick me characters but are not limited to it. By using words like "you're funny" "I'm not taking this seriously" and "this shit is hilarious" you're insinuating that you don't value anything the person you're talking to is saying so yes! I don't like you. You're tiring. At first I didn't really care either, but just the way you talk makes me not want to interact with you. I'd rather talk to someone with a varying opinion who doesn't constantly place themselves higher than me and accepts that other people have varying interpretations without any strings attached rather than someone like you who 'accepts' but always has an underlying tone to never lose out on anything.

Yes Till had LOTS of "Are you stupid" situations. Did you even watch ALST properly?? He was asked by his owner to SING while at a party. Simply SING. And he refused to and got punished. He was picked up by Ivan right after. That's already an example of it. ML saved MC from punishment by covering up his actions in the dressing room despite knowing what he wanted to do. He covered up something MC did that could've harmed himself (ML) that could've had MC punished. Basically-- saved. I don't care if Till was in a life or death situation he could've just done the song if he's so talented. He did it just because he wanted to, there wasn't a reason for him not to when literally everybody else followed with the damn rules and won. Similarly with the MC, if he's so righteous he doesn't need to hurt or violate others when he thinks he's so right.

If you think calling someone dumb isn't mocking then I fear what you consider is hurtful and mocking.

Yeahhh, ur not reading, cause I was making a joke abt it but alright

Girl, ofc I’m not gonna take it srs, we are on a manga, mostly about yaoi, sex, and random shit, ofc I’m not gonna take it srs either, I’m also not acting all high and mighty as you can see I apologize and asked questions and answered with good ass time if I say so myself. Also I never really took into account that I was mad over the op calling mc ‘THE MC IS LITERALLY THE MALE VERSION OF "IM NOT SCARED OF YOU IM NOT LIKE OTHER GIRLS"’ and literally that is the definition of a pick me. And Underlining tone of never lose out on something is something I’ve never did, I clearly said I assumed and my first comment was clearly a question and why I thought they weren’t alike, and I apologized when I assumed ty, and you came up with things that I thought they were obviously(to me) different on and you went ahead and just so you know.. I don’t gaf if you like me or not.. I just said that we barely even interacted with each other. Also you said that the way I talked made you not want to interact with me so please, don’t reply anymore atp

And when Till was asked to sing at a party but didn’t sing, you can clearly tell he had no energy, and his owner wouldn’t take Till singing half heartedly either way, you can’t expect someone to have a energy and sing for a Alien crowd when his crush is literally either missing or dead. Also Till got SA and he only got ‘saved’ after the deed was done and literally being the only one in the room left, Ivan never came to pull him out from being SA (no not blaming Ivan for anything just hear me out) or helped him in a crucial moment (okay maybe letting Till win on their round together works but you didn’t mention that soooo) your little demo was weak because everything was already done, the only thing he did was unlock the collar on Till’s neck for a while because in the end it’s gonna come right back on, and he is gonna be SA and played with again, also yes there is no point in saving the mc here because this is quite literally their trope atp.

Also no one said Till was sooooo talented, and I did say it was wrong of him and makes people dislike him for that and said smt random afterwards also no one said Till and Mc was righteous people and Till had never though himself as a righteous person either, only the mc had, ur just saying random things atp to include wtv you wanna say atp.

Nobody, literally nobody will take what you said as a joke except for yourself.

That's always the damn excuse bEcAuSe wERE In MaNgAgO-- yeah yeah if you have basic respect for other people you will because other people can. Also, not every comparison has to be fucking spot on to the littlest details! We can think they're similar even if just some shallow appearance of it is. I also never said Till was righteous I literally only referred to the MC as that. Just fearless to the point of disregarding consequences. You're literally just nitpicking at this point because you can't accept I have a varying interpretation and opinion than you. Honestly, this whole back and forth just made me lose respect for you as a whole because you could've just said something like "Oh this is my interpretation of what you said but I get why you would think that way cause..." And it could've ended there or it could've been discussed more respectfully, because most of us were WILLING to partake and explain but NO you keep on trying to insinuate that we are wrong for our own opinions and interpretations which no, it's someone else's interpretation it literally can't be wrong because it's how they perceive it, and you also keep on trying to deny what I literally FELT with how you talk?? It's how I felt based on what you say lol how the fuck are you gonna look at me and say "Ermm actually you couldn't have felt that way because there's no way I could've made it feel like that"??? If you wanna know where you made it feel that way it was once you started insinuating everything we said was just a joke to you.

You keep nitpicking shit we never even included in what we orginally thought was similar, making us feel obligated to also explain those things in defense to the point the whole thing diverged from what was originally being talked about. Yes, even if I just interacted you once here it's enough for me to know that I don't wanna see you around past this thread because if you cant just suck up a simple opinion when everything that was thought as similar was already laid out and you have to constantly draw it out instead of just accepting that that was how we interpreted it already tells me a lot about you.

I'm not gonna read this whole convo between you two because it's too long but all I can say from what I've skimmed is that it could've literally ended if you just accepted it respectfully that we have different takes rather than trying to pull out every difference you can find which clearly was not what was being talked about. Not every aspect needs to be similar, have you ever thought that I or Yoouskie or the OP were just referring to the similarities? Every difference is literally redundant to the argument because we're not talking about the differences, just the similarities. Do you think we aren't aware than in certain ways they are different? Do you really think we saw them as carbon copies of each other? Literally look at the wordings "he reminds me of" "he's kinda like" "he's a bit similar", never did someone say they were exactly like each other, only certain aspects of them are.

Exactly. Nothing made it feel like a joke. Denying it like this just makes it look like you're trying to rinse yourself of mocking someone else by trying to deny how it was perceived. If they felt that way then you or the other person did mock them.

Okay, personal laugh then, hahahaha horray

Yeah Ik it could’ve all been resolved in like 3 comments and reply’s but with time I could do this all day, their the one who said they didn’t wanna talk to me anymore so ion say nothing about wanting to stop

Okay, yk I really don’t have decent respect for people on here. Also there was no point in adding that about mc being righteous if you’re not even gonna compare them cause I really didn’t care about mc. Sure nothing has to be compared spot on, but literally none of them are the same, from appearance or vibes, or I guess ‘to me’ in my opinion. And reread how y’all replayed back to me cause it clearly wasn’t in a ‘nice’ or ‘respectful’ way, and bsf you never had any ‘respect’ for me. And if you were being respectful about it or at least be obvious that you were trying to explain to me, maybe then I would’ve been a lot more understanding, but I’m not just gonna reply nicely to people who clearly don’t wanna listen or answer what my question was and not trail off. And I’m skim reading this but yeah, everything yall said was a joke to me atp, because you didn’t need to add extra stuff or reply to me as if I was a moron in the first comment I made and you replied too. Don’t be a hypocrite and you’re the one to start using curse words, so respect where? I’m not nip picking instead I was replying right back to what you guys were saying but you wanna add some random things if you were on track I was talking about what was it that made you guys think that Till and Mc were the same, and you started pointing how mc character is, like no, idc about their separate aspects, im talking about their similarities. And literally we are quite literally not gonna see or talk to each other again so idrc how you think about me and if you wanna see my god forbidden ass again.

Coming back from this, yes you can dislike a character, never said you couldn’t, don’t even need a reason to hate a character, but it was just the comparison that made me confused. Good day maybe

Not reading any of what y'all said because that's your own argument I already stated my case that I was reminded, specifying once again, reminded only, of Till because of his personality trope that's similar to MC's in my perspective. Never said Till and MC were completely the same, I legit just said I was reminded of Till so I don't know what the whole fuss is about. Just literally move on because trying to change how other people see things is impossible and stupid in the first place because you cant

Actually yes, let’s stop the conversation here, don’t reply back to me actually because clearly this is getting us nowhere, we are writing essays that literally none of us cares about and god forbid us replying under each other because I’m just gonna move on with my day. Have a good day (●'◡'●)ﾉ

Also don't reply anymore because I'm getting tired of seeing your username or the notifs flooding me. This whole thing's was fucking stupid because everyone could've literally just said oh okay I see and nobody's feelings would've been turned sour. As a matter of fact if anyone else replies I'm just straight up blocking you so you cant. I appreciate those who defended my stand to no end and called out the mocking, but stop too cause you can't make someone who doesn't wanna lose step back. I appreciate you though thanks for spending a few hrs of your life defending my take

Lesson learned for everybody stop fucking denying people's opinions and perspectives on things because they're not wrong, they're interpretations! In regards with respect, had the conversation not started with your mocking tone it wouldn't have turned out this way. People did try to explain, but it's hard to talk respectfully when you're being disregarded as something not serious or a funny joke. Gosh I just took a peek at one of your replies and it frustrated me right away so I'm just gonna block you user 'Huh?', if you see me in the forums or in the comments of somewhere else, please don't interact with me, your way of spinning things really frustrates me.

i kind of get what you're trying to say, but it's also not the mc fault if he's already moved on no. and if it's really the blonde guy who left mc?? then blonde guy suddenly showed up then acts like nothing happened which is okay but ofc, he's part of the past, he'll be uncomfortable because he remembers the past while blonde acts chill and all, keeps talking to the mc abt whatnot like normal clasmate, but then he suddenly snapped back at mc like??? okay okay, he's stuck in the past and he's jealous, that's true already, but we can't really blame mc for trying to reach out. maybe if blonde guy will really clear the line to him, maybe he'll stop, right? but blonde guy acts nothing and mc don't know what he's thinking abt, that's why he wanted to communicate