
yes leo was an annoying and inconsiderate boyfriend, but JJ borderline raped him in a garage. somehow yall have assessed these two situations and decided to start acting like leo is the spawn of satan. letās put our thinking caps on now! for some reason a whole lot of yall have either gotten collective amnesia from the garage incident or are too yaoi brainrotted to realize that it was fucked up. also, did JJ ever sit leo down in a serious conversation to communicate why his behaviour upset him? i donāt think so. if leo had no idea that his behaviour was upsetting JJ then what do yall expect him to do. the way yall are whining like leo being immature and oblivious makes him luciferās hellspawn and JJ is a poor helpless victim is actually crazy. especially when JJ has been far from perfect himself.

leo DOES NOT listen to jj, did you not read the latest chapter when jj was talking about probably a very significant change they would have to adjust to and leo just dismissed it? imagine how many of that has happened in the span of their relationship? and no one is excusing jj of whatever happened in the garage, i fact everyone here has berated him for it

Bro JJ is not supposed to be raising a son. He has supposedly a boyfriend. And suppose JJ wanted Leo to sit and talk but Leo dismisses him. Does he need to drag him like a 10 year old to sit down and talk?
And yes JJ raped him, out of anger and revenge for Leo having sex whenever and wherever he wants. But look at Leo - he didn't think of it that way because he sees it as something they have been doing before - doing what Leo wanted even if JJ didn't want to.
JJ did what he could and put effort in the relationship and stood up for himself when he was being taken for granted. That's not being a victim, just doing what he can as he should.

reread my comment again. did JJ ever sit leo down in a serious conversation to communicate why his behaviour upset him. the answer is no. if his only form of communication is just offhanded comments then of course leo wouldnāt take it seriously. and yes, people absolutely have forgotten/excused the garage incident based on the fact everyone is portraying JJ like a poor innocent victim.

omg the previous comment ā and yes he raped leoā¦.but look at leoā that should not even be part of the same lil paragraph thatās so wild fr omg idk why the leo haters donāt understand that we arenāt saying leo is the best guy every cause heās flawed but when we say jj is flawed as well they wanna act like we crazy omg you donāt just get mad and rape someone no matter how much you put up with in a relationship

Jeez just reply to me directly. I'm just recognizing what everyone is saying. I don't even mean to justify is because it is JJ's fault. But that was it. If the topic is whether JJ was right or wrong when he forced Leo - then yeah JJ was wrong. If the conversation is who is flawed in the relationship that led to a break up then it is on Leo. Relationship being within those 5 years before they broke up.

Bro I can literally read your reply lol. My bad that I am not clarifying that I am not justifying anything. But at the same time don't jump to conclusions. JJ recognized he was wrong and apologized for it - should he have done so immediately? Yes, he should have but he didn't not because he didn't want to but he was preventing Leo to have an easy pass and write off everything since JJ apologized.
JJ being flawed in the relationship when during those 5 years he did what he could and even when he fucked up outside their relationship, Leo just writes it off as debt when he asks for outdoor sex next time. So IDK what is sick anymore.

idk how deluded you have to be to think that just because a victim of rape āforgives themā that makes it okay. also in the leoās thought bubble he literally states that he was downplaying his feelings because he doesnāt want it to affect JJ. the whole āwho messed up the relationshipā is a whole different conversation but ur whole attitude with the garage incident is the most concerning. maybe check to see if your moral compass has been swayed by yaoi brainrot.

Misinterpreting again. It's like its my fault that Leo can't hate nor put JJ to jail ffs. It's not my perspective. It's LEO's. He doesn't even care because he thinks he sort of does that already.
"That was it" was never to minimize the act but I am just pointing out what JJ did wrong vs what Leo has been doing wrong.

the whole āwho messed up the relationshipā is a whole different conversation - but it's literally combined in the OP. I am again following the OP. I honestly cannot word it enough to convince you that I am not condoning the act. In fact, I think it was poorly done on the author's part. It should have just been a blow job to tease/irk Leo more.
The OP was literally combining the two when it should have been separate.

saying āthat was itā to describe RAPE (which i hope we can agree is worse than being inconsiderate/a bad boyfriend) IS very much minimizing the act. do you even hear yourself? u keep complaining that iām bringing up these two situations together, but when the entire comment section is babying JJ and acting like he is the most pure innocent angel in the world it is absolutely relevant to point out that he is NOT and that he is equally if not more flawed than leo. and like that other person said, you saying āyes JJ raped leoā¦ but look at leoā is so gross. youāre the one whoās trying to make it seem like the rape incident is some completely irrelevant thing that we should all get collective amnesia for.

Their relationship is about accountability. This all started because Leo does not think he is responsible for the break up, claims he doesn't know anything and has done nothing wrong. It was claimed that in the 5 year relationship, JJ did not make any effort and did not communicate. Purposely hurt innocent Leo for petty reasons.
But as flashbacks are uncovered, JJ did make efforts and Leo on multiple accounts dismissed JJ. If we tally them up during the relationship, JJ was indeed innocent. That was the whole point in the comment wars, was Leo really broken off without faults?
When the garage scene happened, anyone who said JJ did the right thing was wrong. It was never right. And JJ recognized it. He apologized because he acknowledged it without second guessing. The ONE grand time he fucked up, he owned up to it as soon as Leo was willing to listen. And if you think it's gross then fine, but Leo who could've taken that more seriously because not only was it wrong but it was all of JJ's frustration never recognized was somewhat chucked down the drain. Like it was all for nothing. Idk if I relayed it well but essentially Leo is dismissing it, the problem is with Leo. So no, my intention was not to minimize even if you insist that I am. I am making tallies and even what JJ did was more grave than Leo's multiple fuck ups, JJ owned up to it in the same level of what he did, Leo albeit already apologized still taking things lightly.

i genuinely donāt understand why jj 1. broke up with leo and 2. is acting so bitter towards himā¦ like everyone in the story is acting like leo deserved to get broken up with and that he was neglecting jj yadayada but i literally donāt see that??? to me it always seemed like leo was the one head over heels and jj not so much. unless the story is purposely not revealing something leo did, i donāt think he did anything to deserve the treatment heās getting right now.

righttt like i theorize that when the author shows us the backstory of their relationship and what caused them to breakup itās probably partially due to the fact that jj made their relationship too work oriented and didnāt properly communicate the extent of his feelings to leo, causing leo to get used to a certain dynamic and then their relationship having certain roles (this is a complete theory tho)

nah bro youāre just not employing critical thinking. jj himself is not magically making leo lucky. the reason why leo does so well with jj/performs poorly without him is because heās emotionally dependent on him. itās obvious with the way they set it up that the reason why leo started doing so well after he met jj is because jj renewed his passion for the sport. he literally joined a low-level league just to be with jj, and this was before he started performing well. i think youāre assuming this manhwa is similar to other yaois with shallower concepts where one party magically gets lucky after having sex with the other (like Jinx for example). itās not. and with the way that JJ is being portrayed right now as being super mature and smart, people are confused as to why he either 1. doesnāt realize that leoās an idiot who is emotionally dependent on him or 2. he DOES realize and is being an asshole either way. iām pretty sure itās the second option which is why i wrote my comment, but other people in the comments have expressed similar things. if u really thought this manhwa was like Jinx i highly suggest u read it again carefully.

I did read it again carefully but Iām still sticking to what I said so you can baby leo as a victim then go ahead an also when did I saw this was like jinx cause honey i didnāt say it was like jinx maybe read my comment carefully idk what you see I guess yāall just never see a bottom as bad an not just used to it but whatever makes you sleep

me making the observation that leo has objectively not done anything bad enough to warrant the treatment heās getting right now is not ābabyingā him. idk why ur so hell bent on trying to be different and whining about bottom this bottom that when itās literally irrelevant. am i not allowed to think that a character is being treated poorly bc they happen to be the bottom? also i used jinx as an example to reflect ur claim that leo is āusingā jj for luck, which once again reflects a lack of critical thinking.

holy shit i just wanted to come on here because iām watching the anime right now and itās literally got me standing up and pacing aroundā¦ tell me why the most recent chapters of the manga say that tsukasa CRUSHED and KILLED HAYASHI???????? AM I READING THAT RIGHT??? PLEASEE can someone explain what happened or tell me if hayashi has a chance of coming back iām actually so devastated. like please just let him and satoru live a happy and peaceful life!!!!
PLEASE can they continue this story?!!!!!
I think its not possible................. BUT DISAPPOINTING!!!!!!!!! this should've been a series