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Seme did something fucked > uke disappear from seme's life > seme kept chasing > uke never gave in > uke moved on > seme suffers in the end.


is this satisfying plot so hard for mangakas to do with this kind of stories?????

ABOUT THE “GIRLFRIEND” ISSUE:

Magnolia said:
I was actually confused about that part too but after re-reading I don't believe that Ian got himself a girlfriend. For starters, after they came back from visiting the family's house, and Jeremy's confession before Sandra's grave, he was finally able when confronted by Ian to accept being loved. Of course, Jeremy's soul and heart are still scarred, so it isn't possible for him yet to lead the life of a normal couple with Ian but the relationship hasn't ended.
[Jeremy: Can you love me even though I am a killer? Can I test your love?
Ian: That day I finally felt he was born]

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/zankoku_na_kami_ga_shihai_suru/mh/v17/c086/44/

Yes, this is what Ian was waiting for because this is the start of catharsis … so why would they break up? Why would he get himself a girlfriend, even months after that? Jeremy has already challenged him about the love issue, and Ian, being as steadfast and stubborn as he is, would never back up, would never fail to prove to him that he can have faith in his love. When Ian broke up with Nadia, he told her that the only way he can communicate with someone like Jeremy is through love. Throughout this difficult relationship, he was waiting for this opening either to be told that he is loved by Jeremy or that Jeremy accepts to be loved by him. He was going to lose hope and end things with him though he was reluctant about it, seeking for excuses to meet up with him again, however Jeremy finally accepted his love by saying the words I quoted before (so there won't be any other partners, lovers or else everything Ian has done up till would have beeen futile and he still has hope that this relationship will progress more … there is a hint about that in the last chapters' pages).
Some readers have suggested that Jeremy was jealous from the lady friend who was accompanying Ian so he referred to her as being his girlfriend (this is very plausible because Jeremy isn't direct with expressing his jealousy).

Finally, Ian explicitly spoke about love: during September throughout November, Jeremy alienates himself and avoids Ian because this is the period when he was entrapped by Greg, but during December, this is his “winter celebration” where he can finally monopolize and embrace Jeremy, so he is waiting for that as much as Jeremy is waiting for it, waiting for the fun (he said so explicitly), when they get lost in their imagination/ vision, overlooking the cliffs.
If Ian had a girlfriend (a companion/ a partner), if he had grown out of his feelings for Jeremy, he wouldn't have said that. It is not even a possibility because if he had, the last chapter would have completely been different so the end lies in these words “I've been waiting too the December that I can monopolize him and embrace him. That is my winter celebration”.
“How often does LOVE go back and forth between the threshold of life and death” (death: September --- November; life = December)
:)

It is a very beautiful ending (the last page about Schubert has a meaning too as Ian invited Jeremy before with a promise but I kind of forgot what is was – kissing him maybe – I am not sure)

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/zankoku_na_kami_ga_shihai_suru/mh/v17/c086/60/

Gigi’s reply to Magnolia:
Magnolia I totally agree with what you said it's true that their love still has hope . You may not realize or notice those ceramic Jeremy made in the last chapter when he come to see Ian- it's the two hand grabbed each other. This is the testament to love , two people closer together and hold each other . But there are many thing that didn't resolve well in the end but at least love will grow more and in this cruel world still has little light of happiness

Magnolia’s reply to Gigi (ceramic hands):
Ah, you are right. It does have a meaning but I've omitted it in order to shorten my interpretation. You see, I originally had associated it with the beginning of the healing process Jeremy went through. The reason for this is that the first hand he sent to Ian is after they had a fight and Jeremy said to him that he won't need him anymore. Of course, Jeremy wasn't able to accept Ian's love which was conveyed to him by his will to possess him (don't go to the massage center, don't let yourself be embraced by other men even if it is just sleeping next to each other).

However, Jeremy was being influenced by his love for Ian because he created a normal hand instead of the one he created before with needles. Perhaps (as a hypothesis), the hand Jeremy created with needles, symbolizes on a subconscious level his rejection of any form of help, kindness or support which might be offered to him because of his guilt feelings (needles equal punishment). However, when he started to open up gradually to Ian, even though he stopped seeing him after their fight, he created a normal hand (again that might signify that he was starting the healing process which reached its climax after the confrontation in front of Sandra's grave).

Therefore, you are absolutely right, the fact that Jeremy sent Ian the other hand and the way Ian arranged them, mean that they've finally reached a symbiotic equilibrium in their relationship. It is a very powerful symbol in the last chapter like you've pointed out.
Finally about the last sentence you've wrote, the ending, no the whole progress of the series, is well thought of. It is expected that the recovery process will be very slow – perhaps Jeremy won't be able to return to being fully normal after all of this. He was literally shattered into pieces and brought back from his inner "hell" only by a miracle called love. A subtle and sincere love which makes this ending very touching, symbolic and realistic at the same time!

My own comments:
The ceramic hands symbolize Jermey’s relationship with Ian, and how now Jermey is more open toward being loved. The first time Jeremy made the hand, it had needles in it. But on chapter 86, the hand is without a needles: this shows how Jermey is now able to love Ian without hurting anymore, and that now he’s more open to being emotionally vulnerable (open to being loved). Furthermore, since the hand is holding hands with another hand, it symbolizes the love between Jeremy and Ian, and does show that now they are in a relationship or will be in time (but maybe not a traditional relationship).

Also, Ian says that he will “monopolize” and “embrace” Jeremy as a “winter celebration” every year. This shows that their relationship has not completely ended, and I doubt that if Ian had a girlfriend, she would allow him to “embrace” someone else. Moreover, the page says! “How often does LOVE go back and forth between the threshold of life and death”. And as Mongolia said, death is symbolized by September and November when Jermey is away, while life is symbolized by December when Jermey is with Ian as a “winter celebration”.

Lastly, I agree with whoever said Jermey might have said “girlfriend” because of jealousy. If we look at the page in context, Ian says “We had a huge fight in summer, didn’t we?”, and Jermey replies while blushing “That’s because you tried to force your girlfriend to buy my pieces.” Jermey is clearly flustered, and as we all know, Jermey is rarely honest about his feelings to Ian. Even if Ian has a girlfriend (which I doubt), I don’t think it will ever be serious or on the level he has with Jermey. Both Jermey and Ian is going to be connected for their whole lives, no matter what. Other people won't even compare.

Don't read ahead if you haven't finished the story.
The ending might seem open-ended but it really is not. Ian and Jeremy's attraction to each other started on that river when Ian sang Schubert for Jeremy while rowing the boat. Then, when they started looking at the photographs together so that Jeremy can get through the trauma, Ian promises that when it's all over, they will go on a boat-ride and sing Schubert together - http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/zankoku_na_kami_ga_shihai_suru/mh/v12/c069/28/. The last panel is them together in a boat again and Ian singing for Jeremy again indicating that they managed to get over the trauma and start over.

for people who wanna know, Claude becomes mentally insane/unstable, and has a breakdown after aeroc’s death. The eldest son leaves the house, the second eldest gets struck by Claude during his breakdowns, and all his other children leave him.

Then it switches to current timeline (second au where Claude and aeroc meet again). In this timeline, aeroc remembers what happened in the past. He tries to give space between him and Claude. Claude already has a crush on him the first time they met at the garden- he gets random nightmares of his past life, and it messes his feelings for aeroc bc he gets conflicted emotions (ex: I like aeroc but he’s an alpha, who parades himself like an omega slut). He tries to get rid of his feelings for aeroc, who he thinks is untouchable by getting with rafiel- they date and Claude is ready to marry him BUT aeroc shows up in his life again, seeking his help bc he doesn’t know how to work finances and keeps getting into scam.

Aeroc throws another party and knows Claude is gonna propose to rafiel, he sets up this orchestra and performs this sad song in front of them to show his feelings- Claude tries to propose but gets angry at the sight of 2 random alphas semi-fucking in the garden. Proposal ends badly- him and rafiel break up, Claude pursued aeroc bc he thinks, now that rafiel has passed he will try aeroc. Then boom! Aeroc is suddenly turning into an omega- tries to buy suppressants in the brothel area, almost gets assaulted and Claude saves him. They both get into rut/heat, and after having sex for 3 days, Claude immediately thinks they are together, will get married, and needs to lock up aeroc bc he’s an omega and no one should know.

I haven’t finished but there’s 4 volumes (1st is past life, 2nd is present life, 3rd was when Claude remembers past life I think, and the 4th one might’ve been if both of them remembered, but I’m not too sure I’m only on 2nd volume)

i'm so invested to this manga.... i wanna see how everything turn out even with our youngest Aoi's mate that we gratefully showed a lil hint of. heck i wanna know who kyousuke's gonna end up with too, he's the best beta bestie

Is that the End?! oMG, my heart it's sooo good . So tell me how come they didn't show his face in modern world? Aaarrrggghhhh (≧∀≦)

Hey there. I came here because the number of people who recommended this manhwa to have "consensual", "healthy", and "accurate" representation of BDSM is quite concerning. While, yes, this is just a fictional story and the portrayal of BDSM shouldn't be 100% accurate, I believe that people who are digesting such content should be educated of what a Safe, Sane, and Consensual (SSC) BDSM is like. That being said, I’m not here to solely find faults in this work and the like, but rather, I would like to provide everyone an insight of how BDSM should be by enumerating some of the red flags I have seen in this manhwa :)

Common misconception: BDSM is always about/leads to sex.
   BDSM doesn’t have to be sexual in nature. Although, some people’s kinky relationships and BDSM play are focused on sex, the types of relationships included under the BDSM umbrella are plentiful. For some, it’s a way to reach catharsis or a heightened state, and no sexual contact is involved. Some people practice kink with their romantic and sexual partners, and other people practice it with friends who they’re not attracted to.
An example of a nonsexual BDSM is: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_sensual_m/

Ch2 pg3: The translator’s note that says sub=bottom, dom=top
   The submissive role is not limited to the one being penetrated. Likewise, the dominant role is not limited to the one penetrating. A bottom can be dominant, and a top can be submissive. See this list: http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangalist/603799/

Ch3: The dom and the ‘assumed’ sub
   BDSM is NOT SPONTANEOUS and it usually DOESN'T OCCUR BETWEEN STRANGERS. In real life BDSM, everything is negotiated first. In a good kink relationship, the parties go in knowing their limits (or with a plan for figuring them out), and trusting that those limits will be respected. Many kink venues have a safeword, and they always know that if they call that word, the play will immediately stop. Even when people participate in pick-up play (similar to what the uke was doing, which is engaging in kinky pastimes with folks they’ve just met) there is a conversation first.

Ch3,4: The dom established the rules ON HIS OWN while the play was about to start.
   Like what I mentioned above, at a SEPARATE TIME, the people who will be taking part in the BDSM play should go EVERY detail to openly discuss things (like what plays are ok, not ok, soft limits, hard limits, etc) IN ADVANCE. The dom/sub just doesn't come up with rules RIGHT ON THE SPOT. You just don't go slap the person and say "oops I forgot to tell you. I can hurt you all I want for sexual pleasure, just say the safeword if you don't like it". Nope. The ‘assumed’ sub didn't even have a say on that. The people involved should also keep in mind that the things discussed can change at any time. If not all, then most of the things that were discussed will be included in a BDSM contract.

These are just some I have found. If I were to enumerate ALL then that would be too long HAHA And as I’ve read along, the plot and the plays do improve. So, I totally understand where y’all are coming from. As I said above, I just want you all to be provided with an insight of what an SSC BDSM should be :)

Hmm if I were to recommend a closely SSC one, then I highly recommend this http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/aporia/
And If you are interested in learning more or have some curious questions about BDSM, ask Squibbles! She’s a bisexual dom with 10+ years experience ;>
http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/5929808/
http://www.mangago.zone/home/people/181308/home/