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I knew I their personalities seems familiar

Langa has insane levels of confidence and poker face though, so I guess I don't really see it, but I get what you mean with the dynamic! Btw, have you seen the OVA?

it's the face that resembles for me and the aura (and their dependence on their partner like them being an empty shell without their lover)? both are pretty boys so that's just me i guess (￣∇￣") and yes i also have seen the ova it's so good i need 20 more episodes

DON'T GET ME WRONG THO!!! i fucking love this manhwa it's an absolute masterpiece because despite having the common tropes it does not feel generic at ALL.

The way I read ur comment nodding and agreeing then I spat out my coffee seeing he title lmao

Yeah it’s a bit icky actually it’s a lot icky but I think in this instance he won’t really mind because of who it was and he already thinks it’s his own fault for being in a rut. Sometimes I like omegaverse but most times I don’t because of how I think going into heat/rut seems like an excuse to say “its ok to rape someone cause they need it” like that’s gross

Sorry for the rant hahaha

I agree! Although both of them are in the wrong in this situation, i think haewon still has the shorter end of the stick :(( i still think he deserves to know what fully happened that night because he was too intoxicated to consent, regardless of what will his reaction be, he still has the rights to know what happened. and i agree with you thinking that he wouldn’t really mind which is indeed icky

THANK YOU!!! and ppl keep acting like the alpha was at fault when he's the one that got assaulted

i dont think it will be addressed at allll ot it will be swept under the carpet after a 3 panel discussion

What is even the point of introducing this conflict when beta did the exact same as omega as taking sexually taking advantage of alpha. Like this truly is gaslighting your audience and thinking they’re stupid in making this an “apples and oranges” argument so to speak when it’s literally the EXACT same wrongness the literally only difference is a main character committed rape so we are suppose to not care. I’m just truly tired of such dumb Bain rot writing.

and here he is, assaulting him yet again. "let me help you"

DAWG I THOUGHT I WAS READING A WHOLE DIF MANWHA THE WAY THESE PPL KEEP BASHING THE BLONDE LIKE THESE ARE THE TYPA PPL THAT DONT SAY SHI WHEN THE TOP RAPES THE MC IN OTHER MANWAHS. I AM SO GLAD I FINALLY FOUND SOMEONE WHO AGREES

exactly bruh, do they not hear themselves acting like they know it all talking through their asses i genuinely can’t w them

confidently hating on blonde mc when he was the one who was taken advantage off and right after that he was left confused thinking it was his fault, basically putting all the blame on his self as to why his stupid ass “little brother” won’t talk to him when that bitchass was full on conscious during the rut jfc stop victim blaming y’all

I think in both situations we need to understand what's going on. Labeling one as a victim and the other as one who's at fault is dumb. Mc should've been more responsible when tracking his rut and he technically almost forced himself on Ml. The ml should've 100% left after giving medicine and its not like he didn't try to. Ml isn't ungrateful, i feel this chapter shows exactly how grateful he is, but in order for him to shove his feelings down he's colder. He's actually quite respectful, he doesn't confess bc he knows it will put the other in a hard place and he's aware of how it will only hurt himself in the end bc he knows ml doesn't see him like that. I understand this comment is directed at ppl hating on the Mc, but you can't expect the Ml to not act like a child when he literally is one. ML isnt even rude to mc he's just distant bc he KNOWS he won't be accepted. Its not easy to be close to someone you like that yk doesn't like you back and even worse considers you "family"

Clock it! It’s so complicated, I’m getting a headache!

you are correct!!!!

i agree with you! but like you said, this is directed for the people hating on mc. the one’s who hate on him despite the fact that mc never intended for his rut to spiral out of control, we need to remember that mc specifically started taking pills so he does not have to burden ml by taking a stranger home just so he could cure his rut. he knows ml is uncomfortable with him doing that so he stopped, i know that he almost forced himself on ml but ml actually was able to break away from mc, he could’ve just left. we shouldn’t excuse those kinds of actions and i know that you’re not making an excuse for ml but we can’t just completely ignore all that fact actually! and that is directed to everyone who’s hating on mc

i love coming across mgg users with working brain cells!!!! <3 thank you for this

"but you can't expect the Ml to not act like a child when he literally is one." are you referring to ch 15 alone or talking about yun-oh based on the entire story? Bc hes been acting cold and mopey to his hyung for the better part of this story and last time I checked, a korean university student is NOT a literal child

this too! let’s not baby a grown man, ml is an adult. he may be younger than mc but he’s still an adult let’s not forget that fact one of the key points as to why i think mc was obviously assaulted because first off, he’s unconscious and ml could’ve left, secondly, ml is an adult, he should know that having sex with someone who’s calling you a different name– a sign of being unconscious, is wrong. yes he has the rights to avoid mc, but for as low as not reciprocating his feelings you chose to distant yourself on someone who raised you and sees you as his only family leaving him confused thinking it was him who fucked up? yeah i think mc’s a complete victim but idk about the others…

Im referring to in this chapter where hes a highschool student. He has his uniform and everything. I feel like we also need to acknowledge he could also perhaps still br mentally young due to the abuse he experienced and mc doesnt treat him like an adult

Again he LIKES him and ismt tryna push his feelings onto him. I wouldnt exactly be chipper abt constantly watching my crush date a bunch of people and not even be able to confess bc i dont wanna ruin our relationship bc bro considers me as a "Brother" its a difficult situation for both of them

I agree with most you said except the "he couldve broke away" bc in the chapter when he pushed Mc off of him and tried to leave Mc grabbed his leg and he fell easily bc he was drunk. Both of them were under the influence, HOWEVER ML definitely had his head in a better state and shouldn't have gone that far. Ik your comment wasnt for ppl who dont victim blame MC but i do disagree that the ML is whiney and ungrateful

I guess this is just a matter of different opinions bc i dont necessarily see Mc as a victim (besides the technical SA) In this. Maybe its a bias towards the ML bc of how hard he tries to act as what mc wants him to be and sacrifices himself to uphold the relationship Mc wants them to have. Not to mention the fact bro helps Mc's ex's bc he sees himself in them even though he's never dated mc just hurtsss. So maybe my pov is a little muddled but i definitely dont agree with ppl bashing mc...for simply not realizing/acknowledging Mls feelings bc he doesnt see him that way

and he was still able to break away from mc actually! ml was even able to take mc to the bed and from then on he should’ve left at that. and i still do think ml is whiney and ungrateful, and you don’t have to agree with me. cause in my perspective, he may not push his feelings towards the mc but he’s still giving him an attitude and that’s him being ungrateful. chapter 13 is the prime example to that and that’s the chapter that made me see ml as an immature character. when mc is trying to have a talk with ml to ease things down, he lost his temper and he wouldn’t lose it for no reason; it’s because ml is giving him attitude. when mc said it’s not that big of a deal pertaining to them sleeping together, ml was hurt because he thinks that was a step for them to have something more– another reason why he started avoiding mc more. to me, he’s not avoiding mc because he doesn’t want to force his feelings to him. it may seem like that for the earlier chapters but now it seem to me that ml is just avoiding mc because he’s upset that despite them sleeping together, he’s still not a step closer into mc’s romantic space. and that’s him being mopy and ungrateful, doing the best he can just to avoid the person who took you in just because he did not harbor the same feelings.

um…? being sexually assaulted literally means you’re a victim…

Yeah thats why i said "(besides the sa)" when im talking abt "Victim" i mean relationship wise not physically

i misunderstood then… but that doesn’t change the fact how mc is still a victim despite it being in the “relationship wise” he was still assaulted and he may be fine with it but that does not undo what happened to him so nothing should be excluded we shouldn’t be making excuses to that it’s weird ass hell

I disagree. Having an attitude ≠ ungrateful. Its actually seen in chapter 15, ML doesn't like depending on mc cause he doesnt wanna be seen as a burden. ML knew Mc wouldn't see him the same even after the rut cycle but he was hurt bc Mc labeled it as smth so casual at the time. And it was ALSO proven ml distances himself bc he "Dont wanna be thrown away like that, so Endure" his words not mine and flinching at any touch from mc.I feel like its perhaps not my pov thats clouded. Ml is avoiding him not bc his "feelings arent accepted" but bc hes afraid of showing his feelings and being tossed aside. Not to mention although to YOU ml may seem ungrateful he's proven time and time again hes not at all. Old chapter 19 shows how hard hes tryna hide it bc he wants to maintain a relationship with mc. The chapter where hes drinking with friends shows it too. I feel like you just dont like him AND THATS FINE but the mischaracterization is insane to me. We mostly see Ml from MCs perspective so if hes not seeing him as ungrateful but just more distant than usual i personally dont see the ish. Ml snapped in chapter 19 bc Mc is always asking abt his relationships with women despite not telling him abt his. But if thats your opinion on him and you're set on it, it is what it is. I have no desire to convince you otherwise

Im not making excuses for Ml assaulting Mc? I literally acknowledged it multiple times. Im just saying in terms of mental discourse of their relationship hes not a victim. He knows exactly who he wants to be to Mc and is not put thru turmoil to achieve that

is it really mischaracterization when you said so yourself that ml is giving mc the attitude? we both agree on that but we don’t view it the same way and i also don’t intend to convince you think so the same way as me. but i think your views really are clouded. you said so yourself that it’s your bias towards the ml and those are your words not mine. mental, physical, external, or internal, mc was still assaulted and he’s still a victim. nothing should be excluded like i said. you’re forgetting the fact that the reason his rut grew out of control is because mc is being considerate towards ml because mc knows ml is uncomfortable with him bringing a stranger home, and on your first response you said “mc should’ve tracker his rut better” so your bias is a bit too much. from a stranger’s point of view (me) you’re quite literally so adamant on defending an assaulter despite saying so yourself that you acknowledge it. just by saying that you acknowledge it is not enough, you shouldn’t put what ml did aside just to point how mc is “not a victim” mentally or whatever because mc doesn’t even remember the full details on what happened during his heat that’s why he’s so pushy with ml to fix everything up because he thinks it’s his fault. ml is still ungrateful for not apologizing on what he did while at the same time giving the mc the attitude he does not deserve. just from that fact alone, it shouldn’t even be a discussion. but to add off, why is the mc the one who has to fix everything when it’s ml who’s conscious during that time he assaulted him?

i know, i didnt say he didnt like him. i said the attitude he displays is childish and not even in the most recent chapter. but ur point about the abuse makes sense but i wouldnt say blondie doesnt treat him like an adult

Yeah i took back my idea of being clouded, i was tryna see your point and went back to reread and realized its just abt media literacy, its quite clear why Ml is distant. Also i never agreed that ml is throwing attitude bc in my op he isnt. The only thing i agreed on is that Ml should've left after giving him medicine. 2nd acknowleding Ml SAing Mc isnt "putting it off" or excusing his actions and i feel like ive explained it enough already. ML is not ungrateful and its shown multiple times he just doesnt want to be a burden or left like all of Mcs other relationships IE why he hides his feelings bc hes well aware he doesnt have a chance. We need to acknowledged Mc isnt the only one with feelings here. 3rd Mc's desire to "fix" the situation completely disregards how it could've felt for Ml. Both perspectives need to be looked at. In terms of behavior (again outside of ML Saing) Ml is not a villian

I feel from MLs perspective he does. Mc is overly conscious of Mcs personal life (this could be due to the space ML puts between them) I wouldnt say MLs behavior is childish, i think its standoffish bc hes afraid of doing smth he'll regret (damaging their relationship)but we all have our own perspectives of the manhwa and if you choose not to like his character for his character for that i respect your op

and no one is saying he’s a villain, he’s an assailant in and out. just because everyone is fine with what he did (because HE, the ml, is the only one aware of what he did to mc) doesn’t mean nothing happened and it can be looked over. do you still not see what i’m pointing out? i don’t hate the ml because i get where he’s coming, what i don’t like is what he did towards the mc which changed my whole perspective of him. because what gives him the right to assault the person who took him in and down right give mc an attitude after assaulting him? the least thing he could do is own up to his mistakes, he can distance himself from mc in many ways without snapping off and taking extra shifts just to avoid him. you need to understand that mc has feelings too, that’s literally why he’s trying to patch up what ml broke. he’s hurting and so is ml, and mc knows that. you may think what you want but again, to go as far as to not include the sa part just so you could say “ml is not a villain” when the whole reason why this whole riff started was because ml decided to assault mc.

Okay for the last time, sunce this conversation has begun, im not excusing ML for the assault. 2nd ML avoiding Mc ≠ attitude, hes not avoiding Mc bc he "is ungrateful" you keep pushing back to him being ungrateful. Hes avoiding mc bc hes 100% aware of what he did, feels guilty, + it was also reiterated that whatever he feels for mc wont be returned (anytime soon) the best way to get rid of feelings is distance. 3rd you saying Mc is trying to fix their relationship when in all honesty theres nothing to "fix" ML only adopted this type of relationship with Mc bc if he didnt mc would've been "sad" he also didnt wanna lose the only person who stuck beside him. The relationship wasnt built off of a genuine reason from the get go. Both ML and MC built the relationship off of their own selfishness. and yeah i went as far to for that part exclude the SA for a sec to say hes not a villain bc IM AWARE sexual assault is horrible? Again In my opinion it is mischaracterization to label him ungrateful or a brat. (Also Mc is aware the ML SAed him he just doesnt see it necessarily as SA for some reason but he does remember main parts of the night and the fact ML hung up the phone) also how is he supposed to distance himself without distance?... anyway im not here to change your opinion, this was a nice discussion tho!

for the last time too, because i will basically just repeat what i said all the way back from the beginning because you still don’t seem to understand anything that i’ve said no matter how many times i say it… ml avoiding mc is not him having an attitude, ml having an attitude is him snapping off at mc. you’ve reread the series yet you keep skipping off this part for some reason? AGAIN, do you seriously think mc would be worked up for no reason? reread chapter 13 if the point is still not getting across. and also, as you’ve said ml only acted like that towards mc so he could satisfy the mc; meaning obviously to mc they’ve gotten closer and when ml assaulted mc everything that mc worked for was gone so he was TRYING TO FIX THINGS SO HE COULD BRING THAT OLD MC BACK. wdym there’s nothing to fix when ml is obviously avoiding mc knowing that they literally live in the same roof? ml is mc’s only family, it’s only natural to fix things and make up when you argue with your family and that’s what mc thinks. are you even sure you understand mc’s situation because your bias towards the ml is a bit too much now, even admitting the fact that you excluded ml being an assaulter just so you could say he’s not a villain when no one here is saying he is one. and how can you say he’s 100% guilty when mc said that them sleeping together is not a big deal and his first reaction was to feel sad about it. not think about how he shouldn't even consider that as their first time cause AGAIN, he assaulted him. his reactions from the manhwa i read is where i get my opinions about him from. i don’t just make shit up in my head like what you’re thinking. and if you really think he regrets it 100%, why won’t he come out to mc and tell him the whole thing that happened? when he apologized, mc immediately rebuked his apology because mc doesn’t remember the whole thing and instead of mc receiving an apology it was him who gave an apology. and ml stayed quiet. they were fine initially after that and then all of a sudden he started avoiding mc once again because why? now that he has seen mc in his vulnerable state he gets turned on at the sight of him being naked? reread chapter 10. if he really is regretting what he did, the least thing he could do is come clean with it. i understand that he has the short end of the stick because of his feelings for mc, but there many ways where he could avoid mc while still being nice about it. and before you say how will he do that and ridicule me once again, think outside of the box and leave your bias out for once. ml has been distant towards mc from the beginning yet he was still respectful about it. instead of taking up more work hours without warning your family, making them worried, you can at least still go home and show up once in a while and still go non verbal. he has the ability to do everything in the nicest way possible yet he chose to be cruel and insensitive towards the only person who cares about him. he’s ungrateful for 1, assaulting the mc. 2, letting the mc think it was his fault and apologize for no reason. 3, making the mc worry and tell him straight to his face that he IS avoiding him. i don’t even dislike the ml what i dislike is how he is ACTING right now and i know in the future chapters he’ll at least have a redemption for assaulting mc (hopefully). two things can be true at once, he’s had a rough past but that is not a reason for him to act like this towards the mc. you read this manhwa with a clear mind yet you think mc is not receiving an unfair treatment right now? when all his life all he’s ever done is to give ml the world, to live a comfortable life and to have a good relationship with ml? yet what is going on with mc now? using your perspective, he’s not fixing things since there is nothing to fix so what is he doing chasing the ml around for? is mc even aware ml assaulted him and he did not consent to have ml’s dick inserted in his ass? do YOU think all of this is fair?

Yes i do think its fair cause MC is not entitled to ML. MC is the one who considers Ml family not the other way around. Mc is able to feel how he feels, ML should've apologized for what happened 100% OBVIOUSLY but MC is AWARE of what happened. MC apologized for putting ML in that predicament (being around him while rutting) imma be honest i only skimmed what you replied with cause i am unfortunately not reading all of that at the moment cause i have a paper to write but ill be back to properly respond. You dont need to reiterate anything you've already said your piece and i disagree. Mc and Ml are written realistically, most ppl would avoid the person they're in an awkward situation with and its not like ML has had really any positive influences to talk abt shit with cause everytime he tries to talk to mc he shuts it down and he was literally raised by an abuser. im not excusing MLs SA im just saying what the situation is. MC is NOT MLs family. ML doesnt see him as family nor are they related that is only smth Mc decided he wanted. Honestly if i Saed the person closet to me (which id never) I'd do everything in my power to make sure they would never have to see my face again, so i find that ots pretty on brand for ml to avoid mc. MC is aware of what ML did bc ML is a beta its not like he was heavily influenced by the pheromones. There was nothing keeping him from leaving besides being a bit drunk Mc just writes it off as an accident but yeah hes aware of it. Also Ml is not cruel in the slightest if this is your idea of "bad attitude" you must Loathe every BL you read. Mc is VERY distant and wants to be as less of a bother he can be, i think at least that much is obvious. You're entitled to your opinion and im entitled to mine; you think Ml is being an asshat rn, and i disagree. Thats all there is to it

Also none of the things you listen go under the label of being "ungrateful" besides the SA which was a completely selfish and disgusting act. Im leaving my bias out of it i acknowledged it as first for the sake of keeping this discussion peaceful, and i have never once ridiculed you and im sorry you feel that way. And again no i dont think hes fixing anything cause again theres nothing to fix hes trying to bring back what he was comfortable with. In my op Mc chases after Ml bc he feels as if Ml is not a capable adult and yes he is worried abt someone he considers family

And feeling regretful doesnt get rid of sexual feelings btw! The same could be said abt mc, mc wishes it didnt happen but he literally jerked off at the thought of it again

and ml is not a normal beta actually! mc even says so and is seemingly aware that despite being a beta ml is sensitive to pheromones! and you really did just skim through what i said because you still seem to not get my point? I have stated multiple times that i am looking through mc’s point of view, you think i’m mischaracterizing ml by saying he’s ungrateful but you don’t think it’s mischaracterizing to go as far as to say that mc trying to fix things is his own selfish desire… i’m starting to think it’s you who dislikes the mc. i won’t be repeating everything that i’ve said because it’s now your decision to be close minded about assaulters and assault victims so i’m out of that now. but one thing that i will point out is how fucked your opinions is about assault, you saying you acknowledge it and how disgusting of an act is it yet is going so far to exclude such an act just so you could defend his character is fucked. if you really acknowledge it, it shouldn’t even be a question why i see ml that way. and do you know how disgusting it sounds because imagine i was assaulted in my sleep by the people who i consider as my family and i’d be waking without an inch of knowing what happened to my body? it’s fucked up. no matter how disgusting of an act it was to be assaulted while being unconscious, the victims still has the rights to know what happened to them and their body because what happened to them is a crime against them. ml being raised by an abuser is not an excuse to any of his actions, we SHOULDN’T make excuses about someone assaulting someone in the first place. you’re right about ml being written realistically, he acted just like any other criminals in real life– running away from their crimes instead of owning up from their mistakes and on the people they have done wrong. truly fucked.

Real quick. You need to learn the difference fast that unconscious is NOT the same thing as inebriated. MC was not unconscious.

In my mind, you’re also defending an assaulter. It’s alphas fault in other manhwa when they lose control during their rut and yet MC does not hold any blame for losing control during his rut and actively SAing ML, someone 6 years younger than him and who he has power and guardianship over? They were both victims of each other and I stand by that. Just because you mistook someone for someone else because you’re inebriated doesn’t mean that you forcing yourself on them, kissing them and holding them down despite them crying is not SA. Plain and simple.

You are not a good person. You need to get through your thick skull that MC was not UNCONSCIOUS, so stop using that word. He was INEBRIATED because of his rut. And he still, even though he was inebriated, is an assaulter. They both SAd one another. The fact that you go on this huge long rant about how someone dismissing SA to defend someone’s character when that’s exactly what you’re doing for the MC. You are actively harmful to SA victims because you are completely dismissing the fact that someone who tops/men in straight relationships can be assaulted. MC SAd ML. ML SAd MC. Two facts that you can’t just choose one and ignore the other. “We SHOULDN’T make excuses about someone assaulting someone in the first place.” And that’s exactly what you’re doing for MC. Gross.

as if someone who admitted their bias towards another character who’s an assaulter is any better. if you had the time to read my whole rant, you should also use that time of yours to comprehend it. at one point, i’m pretty sure i also pointed out how mc was forceful to ml. at what point did i make any excuses to that? you had the time to read everything yet you somewhat skipped the parts where i kept pointing out how mc is unconscious and is not aware of what is happening, he was the one who made the first move on mc and like you said, he is intoxicated so he was not aware who he is. ml could’ve saved himself from being assaulted any further, if he had the strength to bring mc to the bed room, i’m pretty sure he also has the strength to leave the house. he knew well that mc is not in the right state of mind and that’s what mc remembers too, what mc remembers is that he forced himself to ml and that is what happened leading to him apologizing which is the right thing to do, owning up to his mistakes. but did ml ever did the same thing? they both did each other wrong yet their power against each other is still imbalanced, and that’s what i’m pointing out. my first response to op was literally me agreeing with them since in their first comment was how they pointed out how it was mc who assaulted ml first. reread my whole rant and comprehend it.

the fact that you people would go through such lengths just to defend ml’s actions is disgusting also. like i’ve said before, two things can be true at once. to act so hostile towards people who are actively pointing out a characters flaws is ridiculous let’s lay out some facts here since y’all are so afraid of being educated. mc was the first one to assault ml, and my response to that was that i agreed so go read my replies once again before y’all start barking through your ass once again. mc was intoxicated since you’re allergic to the word unconscious for some reason because apparently mc is a disgusting animal here along with the people who are siding with the mc, now being intoxicated is no excuse to him assaulting ml– which is why i, once again, agreed to op. and ml at that time was also drunk, but he’s not intoxicated enough to not remember where mc’s pills are. AGAIN, mc was intoxicated and had no control over his actions, all he wants is to relieve himself so he assaulted ml. TO WHICH I AGAIN AGREED TO. and ml is aware of that, he was aware that mc is not in his right state of mind since mc is calling someone elses name, AGAIN, he was strong enough to take mc to the bed so why is he not strong enough to walk out and leave? instead of doing that exactly, he brought him to the bed and started getting on with mc. WHICH IS ALSO ASSAULT. now i don’t even think i have to explain this part once again because i have explained this multiple times already but do i also have to explain in great details how mc assaulted ml just so you brain dead people would understand it? the difference between the two is so contrasting, if mc can apologize and own up to his mistakes, why can’t ml do the same? now do you get my point after being spoon fed? what, should i bump and highlight every replies where i agreed and pointed out how it was mc who assaulted ml first? y’all would really go through lengths just to justify a man’s actions and it’s so ridiculous how i have been trying to be respectful the whole time because it’s just so hard to talk to people who can’t understand that BOTH CAN HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME. just because i hate the other does not mean i favor the other. you talk as if you’re any better for all the SA victims, when you get so butthurt when it’s pointed out how the character you like is an assaulter. and yes, i do know that an apology is not enough to compensate for assaulting someone– but that’s better than assaulting someone when they’re intoxicated and not let your victim know what did they do to their body. god forbid someone points out the nuances of the situation.

Shame on you for calling someone gross just because someone pointed out how ML is an assaulter. It’s embarrassing on your part on how hostile can you be towards someone when their first response is literally them agreeing with MC almost forcing ML into intercourse, just because OP is speaking for MC does not mean he fully supports MC’s actions. Don’t talk as if you’re any better for SA victims. I’m someone who’s been assaulted while i’m inebriated, and you could say that i remember some parts where i did go along with person who’s assaulting me. It was one of the most awful memories i have and to this day i still don’t remember the full details on what happened, all i know is that we were left in that room all alone. I was drunk, and he was not. You’re disgusting for thinking that you have the rights to speak for all Sexual assault victims, ML had the choice to leave and yet he didn’t. What he did should not be excused. I agree with OP, the least thing ML could’ve done was to apologize like what MC did because they were both victims yet for some reason only one of them has the back bone to apologize. Please have some shame before you start labeling people as “harmful” to SA victims when you yourself is harmful as you are.

Girl you keep saying im excusing it. I was SAes too, its disgustingly common. And ive said time and time again Im NOT excusing it which is why ive said previously if you dont like ML for that ITS FINE. I didnt need to know your life story abt it cause its unnecessary sorry that we share the same experience tho. Im talking and the MC and MLs FEELINGS rn abt their RELATIONSHIP. And yes mc IS trying to make up for a selfish reason that doesn't take away from the fact he was violated... you're not seeing this from a 3rd pov instead you're inflicting YOUR personal experiences on these characters and that's why we can't have a decent convo. I acknowledged everything we've talked abt and agreed with most of it i just DON'T AGREE ml is UNGRATEFUL gahdamn. Read and COMPREHEND what I'm saying

GIRL WTF ARE YOU ON? i sympathize with ML and admitted bias cause i feel BAD for his situation i NEVER excused his actions. Do NOT relate me with an assaulter which BOTH mc and ML are. Tf is wrong with you

I’m pretty sure it’s you who’s not comprehending it. I’ve been following your argument for days now and OP has been explaining their point very well. If a lot of people can understand OP’s point, why can’t some of can? Reread what OP said, they never that they are an SA victim. OP gave you a scenario which is why in the sentence they used “IMAGINE”. You don’t to go through such lengths just because a lot of people doesn’t like ML’s actions, this doesn’t even have to be an argument.

girl thank you so much for further proving that you’re illiterate and has poor comprehension no wonder you won’t get my point and now it’s just embarrassing on your part. even detailed explanation does not work on you, i don’t think i even have to explain how, what i gave you is not my personal experience but a scenario. just realized that not only you’re close minded, but also just a tad bit slow when it comes to absorbing information. why even argue when you’re not up for it? you think i’m calling you weird for no reason? who excluded SA just to defend ml and not call him a villain? was it me? you really think i’d just state bullshit just to fight you? didn’t you also explain how what ml did was so realistic and on brand to avoid mc because he assaulted him? instead of apologizing and coming clean for your crimes you’d make a run for it? yeah realistic indeed. AGAIN, if mc can own up to his mistakes why can’t ml do the same? what for the sake of realism? you said it yourself, both are an assaulter yet you can only feel bad for the latter, you can’t even look through mc’s perspective? what because of your bias towards ml? you think ml is so unfortunate because he was abused and that’s enough reason why he can get away with his crimes against mc? ml is so unfortunate because mc is so selfish for taking him in, giving him shelter, providing him with finances to buy whatever he needs? he’s so unfortunate because mc is a disgusting person who’s so selfish that it is wrong for him to be worried and look after the only person whom he SEES as his family? ml is so unfortunate because mc, the disgusting selfish man who only does everything to satisfy his selfish desires is not reciprocating ml’s feelings? how unfortunate is he really? when they’re both assaulter yet only he, the ml received an apology? how selfish is mc really? when he assaulted ml, his first response was to look for ml and apologize to ml because he’s scared to lose ml? how selfish is the mc for wanting to keep their relationship stable? yet in response the only thing he got back at was get yelled at and avoided, feeling conflicted and worried for ml?
at this point, now i just sound stupid for explaining these because it should be common sense. what i literally stated on my original comment is that mc practically raised him because he took him in, HE SEES HIM AS HIS FAMILY. yet just to defend ml because you feel bad for him, you explained the obvious that they are not family. go tell that to mc who took ml in.

Holy yap. Bitch i couldnt care less for whatever bullshit you spew out of that rat mouth of yours atp. You keep going on and on abt how Mc is so much better when hes not they're BOTH weirdos. You keep writing me essays abt these fictional men that have no attachment to irl issues please find a goddamn hobby. Too bad the mc feels neglected by ML why is he chasing that boy and tryna be in his business 24/7 THEY'RE NOT BROTHERS. Its a role ML took on to make MC happy and your brain nerves are fried from being online. For someone whos so adamant abt SA you sure read a lot of it dont you? Girl please find a hobby, fujoshi

Keep putting words into my mouth it sounds like you're projecting tbh

Now that’s just embarrassing for you. You just further proved that you can’t handle being educated, and that tells a lot for everyone here. Now that you’ve embarrassed yourself you’re backtracking with your words now? You’re the weirdo here for admitting you have bias towards ML, and now you’re backtracking your words and all of a sudden you hate ML now because people are now ganging up on you to tell you your views are fucked. Can’t you notice how you’re the only one who’s saying that? Because it’s basic human decency to be disgusted by an assaulter. And it’s also basic human decency to apologize if you’ve done something wrong. Throughout the whole argument you couldn’t even support your own argument, meanwhile a lot of people has gone against you with facts. And yes, MC is still a better person for apologizing; something that ML couldn’t do.

girl don’t even bother they already blocked me that person is stupid and now that they’ve realized they’ve being embarrassing they’re choosing to run away because they can’t argue anymore. they talk about how i’m unemployed for yapping as if they themself did not write essays just to defend their baby of an ml, funny how her last comment was her describing herself. a brainrotted illiterate bitch who can’t accept the fact that they like a rapist. not to mention, they mentioned me projecting when i never admitted i had bias towards mc unlike them? i think the one who’s projecting is them because they’ve been defending a whiny little baby and they’re exactly that. they can’t handle being educated and that’s on them, no point in trying to argue with someone stupid. anyways mc is better than ml any day and a lot of people agree on that! just like the ml, op can’t own up to their mistakes and that’s why they’re fighting tooth and nail just to defend ml. LMFAO

She literally tried to state that i feel bad enough for ML enough to excuse his part in the SA which i never did but yall bitches are too fucking slow to read and comprehend what im saying. Sybau abt this "educating" this is a FICTIONAL BOOK and all i said is its a mischaracterization to call ml ungrateful when he's been nothing but grateful. If you're panties are that much in a twist bc mc isn't being his way, idk what to tell you bitch. like jump or smth.

I never said anything abt hating ML like where are yall getting this backtracking from? Yall are just making shit up to fit your own narrative. You mentally ill bitches are scary. Apologizing doesnt dismiss SA and i SAID ML shouldn't be excused for it, like huh? Yall are projecting your thought process onto me n its crazy. Also 3 people prior agreed with what i said so...

Im a dude, and you are unemployed not to mention you're also defending someone who attempted rape...like girl pls get up tf? Educated on WHAT? Its a fictional book and ion need your life story abt how you were raped in your sleep not to MENTION someone already corrected you on your projection of these characters. Ive said time n time again i dont condone what ml did i said hes NOT ungrateful your retarded ass cant fucking read

And what your bitchass cant comprehend is that me and OP agreed in the beginning i LITERALLY said the ONLY thing i DONT agree with is that ML is ungrateful. I begging you bitches to fucking read

Thank you! I never will condone MLs actions its was disgusting! But i only disagree that ML is ungrateful for Mc taking him in, its just my POV and i said i have bias towards him on that stance bc its SHOWN how much he cares for MC outside of the sa. Id never defend rape

"Mc should've been more responsible when tracking his rut and he technically almost forced himself on Ml. The ml should've 100% left after giving medicine and its not like he didn't try to. Ml isn't ungrateful, i feel this chapter shows exactly how grateful he is, but in order for him to shove his feelings down he's colder. He's actually quite respectful, he doesn't confess bc he knows it will put the other in a hard place and he's aware of how it will only hurt himself in the end bc he knows ml doesn't see him like that." My ORIGINAL COMMENT so PLEASE point to where im defending ML? I MENTIONED ML WAS DRUNK AND THAT MC HELD HIM DOWN ONCE and suddenly its "you're defending ml" No im RECOGNIZING ml tried to leave originally he still did the wrong thing in the end. I will never defend SA stop tryna put words in my mouth fatty

And you’re mentally retarted for crashing out because you’ve been embarrassing yourself and idk if what OP said is right about you blocking people because NOT everything went your way, but you need to take a walk outside and socialize. Also, we’re not putting words in your mouth. We’re using your words against you. Who admitted their bias towards ML? Who excluded SA just to go as far as to not say ML is not a villain? Who can’t acknowledge the fact that MC, despite being an attempted rapist, can still feel emotions? It’s you who’s projecting you’re a man and that says a lot, it now makes sense why you still can’t seem to understand our point, no wonder you're so dense and stupid to talk to. If you can feel bad enough to be bias about ML, why not do the same thing to MC? And OP stated so themself that “ yes, i do know that an apology is not enough to compensate for assaulting someone– but that’s better than assaulting someone when they’re intoxicated and not let your victim know what did they do to their body. god forbid someone points out the nuances of the situation.” and a lot of people agreed on that. MC has the rights to know what happened the whole night as much ML has the rights to avoid ML. I hope you understand that no one is ganging up on you, just trying to get some points across.

And i don’t even agree with OP because not only i dislike ML’s actions, but i dislike him as whole. It’s you who cannot read and comprehend, just like what happened before your meltdown, when OP gave you a scenario; you thought OP was talking about her experience when she never stated anything about her OWN experience. And we’ve pointed that out now all of a sudden you’re some rabid animal who we can’t even bother talking to cause we just know that you wont even comprehend it either way at the end of the day, it’s the hostile people who usually admits defeat; their actions show and that’s their way of surrendering. Yun-oh’s not gonna fuck you BOY, you need to get your retarted ass out of here. You lack socializing experience and have been too cooped up with your phone, at least three people agreed with you and now what? You think you’re some kind of a prophet? As if OP themself did not agree on you with pointing out the obvious? Over 50 people agreed with us, so what are you going to do now? Cry to your mom because no one wants to make friends with you? Yeah right

YES EXCLUDING SA ML ISNT A VILLAIN? THE SA IS WHAT MAKES HIM SHITTY. Yall are so fucking retarded. I said i had a bias in THAT SITUATION bc i Felt bad he was being called ungrateful when he's been NOTHING but grateful? I never said anything negative abt mc besides the fact that hes tryna make up for a selfish reason CAUSE HE IS? theyre both selfish in this situation ML was being selfish when raping MC, MC has been forcing himself onto ml. Again like i said before BLAMING EITHER OF THEM IS STUPID. Even if yall were to gang up on me it'd change nothing cause i stuck by my original point. ML isn't ungrateful and ppl shouldn't be victim blaming Mc. I never once did ML shouldnt apologize, i said it was REALISTIC bc ppl who rape ppl close to them and feel guilty run away. While thoes who dont continue to abuse their victim. THAT BEING SAID im not sympathizing with ml from running away from his actions of rape and i never did i sympathize with that ei why yall are putting words in my mouth cause yall simply misunderstood and took my ONE TIME saying i feel bad for ml and RAN with it. I only feel bad for ml bc he had to keep his feelings to himself for the sake of everyone else. Never once did i sympathize with his rape tf? All i said was his ass wasn't ungrateful and to label him as such is a mischaracterization WHICH I STAND ON.

And you’re one those people who victim blame MC your first comment is literally you saying MC should’ve tracked his rut better. Let’s use some facts again shall we? MC stopped spending his ruts with his regular partner because ML is uncomfortable with it, so he started taking pills as an alternative. And that’s literally on the early chapters dimwit. Stand by your views for all i care. That just literally means you sympathize with an assaulter. I just know that it would kill you to at least look at MC’s pov because you’re a man. Probably the type to comment into news about women being raped and say “men get raped too. It’s not all men” which is true men can get assaulted. You men always wish to be included yet when given the SA representative you react like this. Both are SA victims yet you only feel bad for the other. You’re sick in the head, i take back my words lol stay inside your house and don’t ever come out. You’re harmful to the society as whole.

Yeah MC should've but that doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day he shouldn't have gotten raped for a mistake? Two things could be true at once. Also mc didn't stop spending ruts with his partner he rarely took him HOME bc he didn't wanna make ml uncomfortable.ans MC isALSO an assaulter that yall are sympathizing with. Yall are so slow omg. I look at mcs pov and thus far hes not losing anything? In the RECENT chapter the only thing he could lose would be mls brotherly relationship. And again youre putting words into my mouth, if i didn't feel mad for mc getting raped i wouldn't have mentioned that ML was disgusting for it. Again yall are just illiterate. If you lack such reading comprehension take your bitchass back to 3rd grade and learn how to giggling read you fat ass. You're damn near brain dead atp. Go back to my og comment and point out where im a danger cause LITERALLY everyone agreed with me. Take a goddamn shower hoe

You’re right OP this baby of a man can’t handle being corrected. Because how can you agree that MC did not deserve to be raped yet makes reasons like MC should’ve tracked his rut better. Truly ridiculous, after being told some facts he started being hostile because he can’t handle being in the wrong. I feel bad for that little boy’s poor mother, to think that her own child victim blames rape victims and when educated they start being hostile? People like him absolutely have no place in the world.

Because 2 things can be true at once we can acknowledge MC assaulted ML just like wr can acknowledge ML RAPED MC, like the op said before WHICH i agreed to YALL ARE JUST FUCKING DUMB. Go clock in you fat bitch

I swear to god yall read my reponses with your ass glued to the fucking screen cause last time I fucking checked i agreed with OP on EVERYTHING but him being UNGRATEFUL and that all the blame should shift onto him abt their relationship (BESIDES THE SA) and i cant tell you how many times ive had to exclude that from the conversation NOT bc its not important but bc if IT WASNT FOR THE SA ml wouldnt be at fault. Again for the last fucking time and read with your barely working eyes ive said time and time again ML RAPING MC WAS MLS FAULT "he shouldve left after giving him medicine" BUT YALL ARE TOO FUCKING DUMB to open your eyes and read. Calling him ungrateful, reread chapter 16 and learn his situation some more you orge.

And dont speak on my mother if you want me talking abt how your stomach lard is overflowing over that sticky ass desk you sit at everyday watching that dusty ass LED monitor hooked up to a 2009 chromebook from your reddit user days while you finger yourself to a bunch of dudes fucking. I bet your mother would be ashamed to see how you spend your days fetishizing gay men on the net. Go get a job, a real one cause being a keyboard warrior is growing you a new bald spot hoe.

*that all the blame shouldnt shift onto him (besides the sa cause that was 100% his fault)* the HIM in this case being ML incase you fugly bitches need to be spoon fed even more

Ooh shiver me timbers! I can speak on who i want to speak at, just so happens that i’m 41kg and has a waistline of 24 inches i provide for my family and has my mother under my wing for years now, we’re living happily btw! Unlike some jealous man who can’t accept the fact they’re in the wrong, now all of a sudden they agreed with OP as if you didn’t result to ad hominem after we’ve pointed you being embarrassing. Boohoo to the man who’s sad after being told that Yun-oh won’t be fucking him! Must’ve been so sad that you’re having a meltdown now

Just the fact that you have both me and OP was blocked is funny itself alone. As if we give a fuck about a man’s opinion, a man who made excuses and excluded ML SAing MC just to say ML is not villain, a man who admitted they have bias towards ML, a man who said ML avoiding MC is fine because it’s realistic, a man who victim blamed MC, a man who can’t comprehend the fact that OP giving a scenario is not OP’s own personal experience, a man who realized he’s making his self look stupid is now acting hostile because he can’t make up any more ass pulls of an excuse no we’re not listening to you if you’re not listening to us. If you demand respect, then you should earn it the fuck. Even your mother yourself is not safe from you, just imagining her telling you to do some errands while you goon off to rapists. How i hope she’s not aware of your disgusting hobbies at least

Since you illiterate twits seem to forget the problematic nature of your own arguments. Here, I’ll quote them for you and hand hold you on how what you’re saying in this comment is the opposite of what you’re actually doing in other comments.

“confidently hating on blonde mc when he was the one who was taken advantage off”
Strong start, completely ignoring the mc assaulting the ml.

“i know that he almost forced himself on ml but ml actually was able to break away from mc, he could’ve just left.”
‘Almost forced himself on ml’ 1. Forcibly holding someone down and kissing them is not “almost forcing yourself on them”, it’s forcing yourself on them. Plain and simple. And 2. holy victim blaming when you cried about it when you claimed others were doing it. You’re so right, the 6 year younger man who was practically raised by the MC and loves him dearly should have punched him or tried harder to get away… that’s victim blaming 101. Please tell me you aren’t serious.
And you do the SAME DAMN THING IN THIS COMMENT HERE. “Oh he had the strength to break away, why didn’t he just stop himself from being assaulted?” It’s giving “Why didn’t you report it?” Or “what were you wearing?”


“ yeah i think mc’s a complete victim but idk about the others…”
Another one… and yet you “acknowledge how they’re both victims multiple times”, yeah shove it, you disgusting twit.

“and he was still able to break away from mc actually!”
Here’s another one.

“just so you could say “ml is not a villain” when the whole reason why this whole riff started was because ml decided to assault mc.”
Ignoring the fact that MC assaulted ML, AGAIN.

“ml being raised by an abuser is not an excuse to any of his actions, we SHOULDN’T make excuses about someone assaulting someone in the first place. you’re right about ml being written realistically, he acted just like any other criminals in real life– running away from their crimes instead of owning up from their mistakes and on the people they have done wrong. truly fucked.”
Ignoring the fact that MC assaulted ML, AGAIN. And using your logic in this quote, MC is also acting just like a criminal, since he does remember assaulting ML and his solution is “pretend nothing happened.”

Let’s get one thing VERY clear, you’re the illiterate one in this conversation even if we ignore the fact that YOUR OWN, CONVENIENTLY FORGOTTEN, WORDS ARE THE ONES I USED TO PROVE YOU’RE THE PIECE OF FILTH I SAID YOU WERE. In this very comment, you pulled out of thin air two very very wrong things about me and if you could read you wouldn’t have even tried to have claimed that I said. Saying that I am defending the ML when I clearly stated that they are both assaulters not just morally but legally, is somehow being misconstrued as being supportive of only one of them? I don’t like any of the characters and I’m defending neither, but I would especially not call a victim of either kind a disgusting animal, though it’s obvious you suffer from some kind of delusional disorder since you keep making up arguments I supposedly “made” that are no where to be seen. Pointing out power imbalances and assault doesn’t make me a defender of the victim becoming an assaulter. But you’re a bad person and that was the main target of my comments. Your comments are very much victim blaming and purposefully ignoring the fact that MC assaulted ML, no matter how much you cry that you aren’t doing that. Please refer to my other comment with proof that you’re a disgusting piece of filth that is actively harmful to SA victims. Although my other comment with proof doesn’t reference this comment at all and this comment provided even more lovely proof. Why don’t you walk up to any man who was assaulted by a woman and ask him why he didn’t us his strength to overpower her? Then look any person with a brain in the eyes and try to convince them that you weren’t victim blaming.

I’m not “allergic” to the word unconscious, it’s just the wrong word. He wasn’t unconscious. Do you make a habit of using words you don’t know the definitions of? Embarrassing. Here, I’ll school you since clearly you need a lot of that. Unconscious: not conscious. Let’s define conscious. Conscious: aware of and responding to one's surroundings; awake. Let’s explain the difference between your misconstrued definition of “aware” and the actual definition that still applies to the MC in that scene. The very fact that MC remembered anything about that night IS BECAUSE HE WAS AWARE. That’s why we look up words we don’t know before using them. Inebriated or intoxicated, pick your choice, though inebriated fits much better, but I guess I give you props for learning from your mistakes and not using words you don’t know the meaning of. Although if we wanted to get down to the nitty gritty of definitions and not use, impaired would be the best word of all.



And I love your idiocy. It’s kind of admirable, since you keep “making points” (haha funny joke) that are so easily dismissible for either side of your defense. ML tried to apologize and MC interrupted and told him to pretend it never happened. ML is not a mind reader, he can’t see into MC’s mind and know his every thought or lack thereof, the only thing he knows is that MC remembers and that he thinks it was his fault and not ML’s and he refuses to let him apologize. But it would be so much harder to defend your argument if you acknowledged that that’s what happened.

Please refer to my newer reply on their comments. You’re not worth the time nor effort when you can’t even read. If you truly think saying over and over again that a man in the top or dominant position who was assaulted “had the strength to overpower the person and should have just left” is being respectful to SA victims in that position, you’re just as much of a disgusting piece of filth as they are.

The difference between your situation and this one, is (I’m assuming and hoping) that you didn’t SA your assaulter first. Did you hold your assaulter down while they were crying and forcibly kiss them while grinding on them? Is that what you’re claiming you did? Because otherwise your situation is completely incomparable to the situation that we’re discussing.

And I think it’s abhorrent that a fellow SA victim would even remotely entertain the idea that it’s okay to tell SA victims that they should have been stronger against their assaulters.

Please have some shame and don’t openly victim blame an SA victim before claiming that I’M the one that’s harmful to SA victims. THEY ARE BOTH ASSAULTERS LEGALLY AND ARE BOTH HORRIBLE PEOPLE. I have never once defended either of them, the same can’t be said for you or the other person. Why can’t you people get that through your thick skulls? You can’t claim that I’m the one who’s “upset by the ML being called an assaulter” when you IMMEDIATELY turn around and act upset that MC is being called an assaulter. “The ML should have just left.” Before or after he got assaulted? Answer that question. Because I know what answer you hold in your twisted shriveled heart and it’s the one that proves you’re a bad person.

Your last sentence was actually correct and let’s all “use facts” and remember that HE TRIED AND WAS INTERRUPTED AND WAS TOLD TO STOP AND PRETEND IT NEVER HAPPENED. Convenient piece of information you keep leaving out over and over again. Go choke on a spoon, victim blamer.

quick question tho? why arent you attacking the other commenter when i think what theyve said is much more worse? i think the reason why they thought you were defending black hair is because you only jumped blondie or mc. from an outsiders point of view all yalls views are flawed tbh. you yourself is also victim blaming mc. while i do think that both characters are assaulters and disgusting, both are right about black hair having the choice to leave. he was strong enough to take blondie to the bedroom so im pretty sure he should have enough strength to leave blondie alone. to ask black hair if he was strong enough to carry blondie on the bed, is a question not to victim blame but to see if black hair is conscious enough to make a clear decision. for you to say that them saying black hair was strong enough to break away is them victim blaming, it's like saying blondie coerced black hair into sex? which is also fucked for me, saying that black hair broke away from blondie is not victim blaming because it's what happened in the manhwa, he really had a choice to leave if he is strong enough to take blondie to the bedroom. also i don't remember reading from blondie defender that they said something about "why didnt he just stop himself from being assaulted", all they said was black hair was able to break away. i think we should calm down first before we start twisting each others words if you want this conversation to go somewhere