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Oh noooo TT
Will they have kids later on though?

I think I read somewhere that they do. But don't quote me on that.

And thank for the spoiler -_-

Fr like if u don’t like it drop it it’s not that hard

Bro but is it too much to fucking ask for things to work out without some stupid ass dog shit ML raping people, and then people put on their rose colored glasses and are like “bro but i fap to this its fineeee” like naw dude. So much. So much of porn and BL is rape, or rape revenge fantasies, im so fucking sick of finding a good story and the author has a rape fetish. Like bro. Bro. It feels like 75% of BL man I stg. And its even worse bc a lot of BL authors are statistically women and its just like,,,, i just want a long BL where the MC isnt treated like shit and the ML isnt an asshole. But 8 times out of 10 its rapey, or coercive, or manipulative.
Major ick my dude.

Bro asked for something that he didn't pay for. Anyways, they make manhwa based on audiences that give them the money, not those who broke ass sht that being pretentious of being moral police.

Pretentious moral police??? Bruv’s so fucking lost in the sauce you’re taking it as a personal attack. Im saying its not my fuckin kink bro, so it’s shitty when so many BLs have that trope. It’s a big fuckin issue dude. We’re all tryna fap out here bro, and i got the fuckin right to complain too

Bro, you lost yourself in ocean and shoot yourself to foot as personal attack. Just fap that out then leave. It's ain't big issue. It's based on audiences who pay them, not those who read it illegally. They will not get the money if they don't follow popular shts. If you wanna see your kink, just pay the artist to commission what kind of shts you wanna see.

I think you're looking for those things in the wrong place. There's lots of fluff content out there too without any of these toxic behavior. Most of the work here tagged properly so you shouldn't have trouble distinguishing what's to your taste and what's not. There are lots of different genres full of different kinks out there, it's just that they're harder to find as they're not this much popular and talked about.
It's just my opinion but I find it hard to read a story full of healthy relationships and communication because then there's usually no plot and things get boring and really repetitive. This might be the reason stories with faulty characters are more popular. I mean, I can't forget the plot of Killing Stalking even if I wanted to but I can't remember the full plot of any story with fluff mixed with minor inconveniences and misunderstandings

In the end my point is, you're looking for non-toxic green-flag characters in wrong stories my dude

I get it, I really do, but for some reason this one was tagged “healthy relationship”.

I assume its because of the character growth, so it may seem healthy in comparison, but it still aint healthy even after that, and that growth happened more than half-way through. It’s not that I hate this manhwa, I’m just so sick of how this trope is way too overused, yknow? Tho tbf I’m not even the type to go for dramas, bc tropes tick me off when their conflicts can be solved so easily.
Like, listen, my favorite show of all time is literally Hannibal (for several reasons. I even have it on blu-ray and i dont even own a cd-player anymore)— im not some wilting daisy. But this? This is annoying. I prefer enthusiastic consent and power couples, and relationships where *eventually* at least theyre equals. If its toxic, i prefer mutually assured destruction rather than one-sided toxicity. Bc one sided toxicity just reminds me of regular hetero couples where women are battered around, and i’d like some fiction in my fiction, thank you. It’s just a turn off.

This manhwa doesnt feel that way even after the growth, the ML still holds all the fucking cards bro. I’m trying to give it a chance, bc the art style is bomb and the sex scenes would be too if it wasnt mostly they guy protesting the whole time. Like, if yall like some domineering dude plowing his way through shit without proper consent and the other guy doesnt fight back? That’s your kink. Those are your issues. But i’d personally prefer if they were both feral. I just dont like the power imbalance. And i’m hoping it’ll turn around, but i have the feeling this is a lost cause.


genuinely tho who tf tagged this “healthy relationship”

But that’s not my issue man. I’m saying this sort of trope is so popular that everywhere I turn it’s just this. It’s not just in this manhwa. I’m already subscribed to someone’s patreon, but that isn’t the point. I’m annoyed because apparently, most “audiences” have rape kinks then, if that’s what your saying. Which sucks for me because I have to wade through turn-offs where rape-kinks are the norm, just to find something good. And it sucks, because the art may be amazing, but then it’s just that. Also, it’s probably not even based on audiences who pay em. They’re just putting their kink out there. They’d put this out there even if no-one paid em. Their not some corporation, bro. They’re in control of their own art. They’re doing it for themselves first (as they should tho) and audiences after

Wtf. How do you see the tags, bro? With all mafia-ish behaviour, someone tagged this as healthy relationship??

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Thats what i was saying man
If you go to “popular tags” after the comments, you can click on one and then search for specific tags. It used to show up under the tag “Healthy Relationship” which is absolutely wild, bc thats how i found this, and the rating didnt seem too bad bc its above 9.0. The top two comments remarked on it too

Like I said, I’m hoping it turns around, I’m rooting for MC and his lil bro. But i got a feeling it’s not gonna end well…

The uke from love is an illusion got baby bump too

Tho really the uke is not as lovable as uke here. He still annoyys me ahaha

I think all of us who read that manhwa agree with you on this point.

Yup! It pissed me off heaps reading omegaverse when I was in my third trimester and seeing these flat bellied omegas about to give birth. Meanwhile I was waddling around with a giant beach ball sized bump.

Love is an illusion was great in the pregnancy aspect but not so much in uke and seme relationship. It still bugs me that uke still act like he didn't like seme smh

99.99% Lovers also had pregnancy bump and even smut with said bump lol but I don't really recommend it if you're picky about art consistency also it has some triggering scenes and big angst.

Wow, time to make a mpreg bump list huh

Ignore the comments section if its gonna bother u that much

pov u find out rape and sa are real and aren't just manhwa 'genres' and that normal people actually take it seriously?!? y'all be wildin in these comments acting all entitled as if people don't have every right to be hating

real

damn how do you think hajime isayama should be dealt with, would a public execution be enough in your opinion ?

You don't have to read it tho?? And actually normal people can understand the difference between what's fiction and what's not so yeah I'm gonna treat it as fiction. If it bothers you you can stick to the fluff tags or romcoms but don't come here after reading a manhwa that clearly has "fictional" problematic content and cry about it. Also you don't know my life at all so you really fucked up on me just finding out about rape and sa huh...

LMAO THE WAY I 100% KNEW YOU WOULD PULL THE "fiction and reality are different!!!" CARD . you quite literally have a twisted mindset and have no real grip on reality. lemme just go on a rant rq

anyone and everyone who uses the logic of "distinguish fiction from reality" has a fucked up moral compass and lives in some weird ass bubble they've created around themselves. every single piece of fiction has an intended purpose and message to deliver to its audience, whether it's niche or not. everything you see and every word you read has a direct affect on you, they influence and impact the ideas, morals, and thoughts you have. a direct example of this is characters from fictional stories inspiring young children to become like them, they're shown to you as a way to teach you about what's accepted and what's not, and behavioral consequences.

rape and sexual assault being used as a form of entertainment in the media is unacceptable. being forcibly raped by someone is neither an enjoyable nor ideal situation for someone to be in. it causes trauma, influences your daily life, can lead to development of a wide range of mental illnesses, and is SERIOUS. rape is never, and will never, be a way for authors to make their characters undergo "character development".

rape is not a way to label a character as a "red flag" or as "toxic". rape is not an act someone can commit, and all of a sudden have a moral dilemma, and decide to "become better". rape is not something you easily recover from. as shown in this manhwa, victims do not "fall in love" with their rapists over "kind acts". victims don't suddenly enjoy sexual intercourse with the same person that forced themselves on them and committed vile and immoral acts.

and i KNOW you're going to say something along the lines of "oh i already know that but it's just fictional". but the fact is that whether it's fictional or not DOESN'T MATTER. it's never acceptable under any circumstances. ESPECIALLY when it's portrayed in such unrealistic ways.

it would be one thing for an author to include rape in a storyline and properly demonstrate the impacts it has, and then put the perpetrator behind BARS. it's another thing to not only unrealistically portray sexual assault and rape, but then use it as character development and have the victim fall in love with the rapist.

and it's so funny to use the logic of "oh it's fictional" because that's exactly what creeps on discord say as justification for their addiction to lolicon. "oh but it's fictional!!!", doesn't justify the fact they're attracted to girls that resemble children, does it? and remember when i said fiction affects reality? these same men go out into the REAL world and have unrealistic expectations of women being short, innocent, child-like, no body hair, etc etc. fiction that's portrayed in unrealistic ways affects people's expectations of reality. it leads to romanticization.

and it's SO weird to me how you're telling me you have understanding on what rape and sexual assault is, which im assuming is you indirectly telling me you've experienced it, but then DEFENDING this shit. as another rape victim, lemme just say, almost no person who has experienced rape enjoys it when their trauma is used by female authors who don't know what it's like, as "character development" and "plot" in their ridiculous gay fantasies.

CHECK YOURSELF. check your moral compass. check your empathy. check your understanding of rape and sexual assault. check what a majority of victims think. check how messed up it is, that people who have never gone through the same trauma are making revenue and profit off of it by portraying it in horrendous ways.

cry me a fucking river with your "separate fiction from reality" bullshit

i think death via falling off a cliff would be better tbh. at least give him a good view yk

get help, go to therapy and give the phone to your parents bc you’re a minor. Take some meds because fiction is not reality and you clearly have a hard time distinguishing it. You ain’t owning anyone here with your mental illness on full view. I’m serious you shouldn’t be on this site it’s fucking up your brain.

Dude i agree with a lot of your points, but this is a mangago comments section spend your time and energy more productively pls, its much better for your well being

Aint no one reading ur regurgitated twitter discourse rant btw

chill dw it took me less than 5 mins to type that up, i promise i don't take policing what people read that seriously

stop it was js for that one person i ain't asking everyone to read my Ted talk

so i think you misunderstood just a tiny bit

i can assure you i know that pixels on my screen aren't real, but i think you MAY have missed a couple points where i said that doesn't make it any better

and i promise you that wasn't me trying to "own you". im not reporting you to the IDF for what you read. im not calling the immigration office and getting you deported because you like rape plots. it was literally js an overview on how what you're reading is pretty clearly wrong, and that you should have at least the decency to admit it and simply embrace it. i assure you you're better off simply admitting "oh yeah i prefer gay stories with rape in it", than hardcore defending it

WAIT I JS REALIZED UR A DIFF PERSON. but still not sure why ur starting shi w me all of a sudden . the jumping of a cliff thing was pretty clearly sarcasm... like i said, im not reporting these authors to the IDF and getting them bombed.

bro what

get help and give the phone to your mom

I DIDN'T EVEN DO NUN. IT WAS LIT A SOLID EXPLANATION. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN RESPONDED ON HOW ANY OF WHAT I SAID WAS WRONG?? AND IT WASNT EVEN DIRECTED AT YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE.

im not reading all ur comments, just wanna say look up the book "haunting adeline" and dark romance like it. that genre is hella popular but do you see an uptick in girls talking about wanting to be kidnapped or asking their bfs to fuck them with a gun because of it?

ik the book! and i do actually!! im sure it's not a MAJORITY or anything, but there's definitely quite a few. ive seen quite a few people suddenly romanticizing or creating "fake scenarios" similar to the contents of the book. which is basically the point i was trying to make! i don't expect you to read all the comments, nor do i plan on policing what people read. but having to decency to admit romanticizing and glorifying rape isn't okay, is honestly the least ppl could do

and honestly when talking abt the genre of dark romance, especially Haunting Adeline, it's typically just these 40 yr old, middle aged women saying some pretty concerning things. "ik it's wrong but i need someone like Zade Meadows ", like hello...??

“fake scenarios” are prty different from actually wanting to be kidnapped bc u think the kidnapper will be a hot dude or romanticizing other ppl getting kidnapped *irl*. Tbh the only time ive seen ppl legitimately do that is trolls or crazy true crime fans. We could go on abt the negative effect this content has on like.. your sex life cuz porn addiction is real but thats veryyy different from justifying/romanticizing that behavior irl. In the case of stuff like SA or murder, thats already against most ppls moral compasses unless theyre raised a specific kind of way/in a country that does justify that. So just being drawn to books w/ that content and enjoying it isnt going to break those morals.

yeah i mean— LOL idk the psychology of facebook users to say anything abt that, maybe they fr want him but i also feel like its a horny side outlet for a boring sex life.

but i feel like that's what i mean, these 16 yr old girls be wildin in comment sections talking abt their fake scenarios abt rape and then romanticizing it. and i get that it's fake n all but there's definitely a clear distinction between cnc and flat out rape. and that's prob where the confusion starts cuz being into cnc is none of my business cuz idc abt ppl's kinks... BUT RAPE?? like it's fr js a lack of empathy and realization of how deep it acc is. i don't understand how someone can find pleasure in reading books where a girl genuinely gets pinned down n raped then falls in love w her rapist and there's almost always no real plot and its entirely smut driven.

yea but atp it should DEFINITELY be labeled as cnc. like honestly forget the rape trope n just call is cnc from the start. it's practically the same thing if authors r gonna misrepresent it so badly to the point where half way through the girl starts falling in love w a fuckin rapist and weirdo a bit of tweaking to the storyline would do the job. and i get that it wouldn't rlly be "true" dark romance atp, but honestly rape tropes in dark romance r unnecessary

hmmm so like what ur saying is if ppl read abt rape in a “this is hot” way it desensitizes them to how horrible the act actually is? I think thats fair to say and probably does apply to some ppl, ik thats def the case for ppl who look at violent content. Tho i rly do think thats harder to do with fictional content, compared to if some sicko got off on actual videos of rape. Not gonna get deep into it but i have a friend who had a rape kink before and after she was assaulted, like including doing cnc and liking porn w/ rape, and to her theyre very different. Just like when ur doing cnc and know ur safe but can “let go”, its the same w/ reading fictional rape and knowing that its not real so theres distance and u can freely enjoy it. Instead of imagining the rape fantasy in ur head, its just on paper.
For waterside night, realistically the cute scenes/romantic parts wouldnt exist but bc they do, its rly not surprising that ppl like the couple. Imo its just personal preference if ur able to turn ur brain off and enjoy it vs if it only makes u disgusted and neither should reflect on what ur irl morals are. Anyway i appreciate u being respectful, most convos abt this topic arent

Just ignore them. They're stupid to read something they don't like to share their hatred.

okay yea i totally get ur point. i think i might find the topic more sensitive than other ppl, so ig the fact that ppl are able to "turn their brains off" to enjoy rape plots seems really weird to me since it's essentially portraying the same thing idk i js think rape in general shouldn't be used in the media like how it is in this story cuz cnc is honestly a much better approach to it and i wouldn't see these middle aged women going crazy with their "rape" kinks, thinking they're gonna get raped by a 6'2 D1 athlete when it's def not like that. i personally feel some things have SUCH an interconnection w reality they should be entirely left out of fiction if not represented properly. ty for genuinely explaining ur viewpoint and not telling me to go "take my meds" like some of the other weirdos here

bro i totally agree w ur comments tbh, its great to complain abt these things but then again this may not reach the correct audience.. as I can see from the replies ur getting. rape is not something that shld be portrayed as good, specially to these 16 year olds (and under ofc) that think that rape is a hot and romantic thing...im glad u brought this up and im real sorry it didnt reach the correct demographic of ppl. It's jst that this is manga.go where there is a legit rape category which aint right but as u can see... hmm.... and i can tell u reading those as a 13 year old fucked me up in the head so ur wayy to real for ur comments.

I dont think its hatred, its just fair criticism, if you cannot comprehend that people have views and different reactions to things, you need to get off this app, like srsly. There is no hatred in there comments just pure concern for the fact RAPE is a reoccurring thing in books and shit.

THANK YOU OMG these people are genuinely so lost in their delusions of thinking rape can be seen as justifiable when it's "fictional". they're SO desensitized to real life issues because they've been indulging themselves in storylines that consist of it. and any time someone points out how morally wrong they are they start complaining as if THEY aren't the ones in the wrong. i don't understand how you can claim to separate fictional rape from rape in the real world when they're so interconnected and when fictional rape literally RELIES on real rape for content. people need to get off their phones and look around them and realize that being 16 yrs old and relying on stories with rape plots for pleasure is CONCERNING. and it's the fact that they try and claim that they're not reading for the "smut" or the sex scenes when that's literally all the story consists of....

ONG... bro no probs.. its just ppl in this thread are kinda ticking me off. like they need to wake up and look around and realize the shit they consuming isnt as sprinkle cherry cupcake brownie butter as they want it to be...

Honestly, I'd be bored just reading smooth stories. There's already Disney to smooth everything out. I love reading adorable things as much as 'dark romance'. That's the point of a book: to write stories that can take on many different dimensions, and thank God for that. What's wrong with rape when it's treated well? He doesn't validate what he's been through. It's not cute and nobody makes it cute. Nevertheless, yes, the evolution the main character takes is great, there's a great psychology, we're all eager to find out what happens next. If we follow your resonances: No more talking about anything. We do away with everything. We no longer allow people to be creative and to talk freely about all possible subjects, to write dark stories that go wrong, with drama and so on...
That's self-righteousness.
It would be rape with a declaration of love in the middle, or a character who starts to enjoy it: I'd agree with you. But he didn't. He didn't like it.
If we follow your logic: we kill emotions in concrete terms. We're no longer surprised, we don't get attached as much, we don't feel anger, we're not surprised by the atrocious choices a character can make, we're not shocked by anything etc... This work moves me, because it's not smooth. It's a reflection of life. It's not cute or perfect. It doesn't sell dreams every 10 seconds. It's a human being who makes mistakes. Another who fights to get by. And it's just as beautiful to read as it is adorable. That's just my opinion.

Now, what I find sad are the people who come to invalidate people who quietly read the work. Why read so many chapters and then disparage the readers? It's ironic for toxic people to scream that it's "wrong" to read this and upset others. No one is saying it's wrong to read only cute stories. I don't see unhealthy comments on 100% cute stories insulting you. It's a lack of tolerance to force others to think like you (I say you, but maybe not you, I haven't read the lame comments). It's disrespectful to come on a work and criticize its readers. Nobody asked for anything. Just respect.

no one is judging ppl who read it, its just the people who read it and MAKE IT SEEM GOOD. its not abt weather u like reading fluff or dark romance. Its abt who and HOW they consume this. there is something wrong w rape in a story if its not treated well, but its not abt the book mainly, its abt the people consuming this. Their age, maturity, are they consuming this negatively or positively? what will they get out of this once they read it? Its about the negative impact it has on people and how they view the romanticizing of rape in stories just like this. If you feel insulted by someone saying that LIKING this type of content is wrong then obviously there may be an issue here. No one is insulting anyone, its just the way u interpret the critic's words that makes it seem like an insult and even so, it shldnt bother u as it is the internet we are talkin bout here. and the cute stories dont have comments insulting u is because most of them do not contain the glorification of... RAPE in them, unlike "dark romance". No one is forcing another person's opinions, its a fair point to say u (not specifically u) are strange to like something like this when its being praised or desensitized. No one is asking to follow this logic, they are asking you to rethink YOUR own logic, and try see the wrong as well as your won view in this. I agree with you to some extent but as i said, It really isnt supposed to insult anyone, just share a view, its until ppl started attacking lets say. them back and calling them names too... that it really did become something.... and no one just comes one a piece of work, they read it, thought about it, and made their judgements. If you believe in "Just respect" you wldnt call the comments "lame" and you would try to listen. sorry if im being rude here i just tryly want to give u my view.

Hear Hear bro.

... so like my main point is that you shouldn't bring up irl morals when it comes to fictional content. Personally I can separate it but like I said, it's understandable that some people can't. It also depends on the type of media, like I despise the rape in GOT and avoid the show bc of it -- it's gratuitous and there to shame the female chars for no reason. Dark romance has plenty of other romanticized elements -- the ML being overly possessive and jealous, stalking behavior, being a murderer or in organized crime, bullying the MC, etc. For whatever reason, this stuff is attractive to ppl as a fantasy even tho it's completely disgusting or terrifying irl. I think it's unfair to bring up "what about the 16 yos looking at this?" because.. adult content isn't made for them and 18+ warnings exist for a reason. It's good to question what kind of messages are being sent to younger gens but the consensus about smut/porn is already that *any* of it (no matter how "healthy") can have negative effects. If a minor chooses to read it regardless, it's on them if it affects their world view or whatever -- it's not on authors to stop writing this content or on other readers to always give warnings.
Again i agree with u on some stuff, it *is* concerning if you need rape plots for pleasure since that's what porn addiction does to you. But 1) that's a way larger issue than can be blamed on dark romance/manga and 2) ppl aren't always reading rape plots to jerk off, it's just about the "ooh this is dark and twisted" factor that appeals to humans and makes content more interesting. Personally I actually do read waterside night for the "plot" lol?? I think the psychological elements are well done and toxic romances are intriguing. There's really no right and wrong here; I'm positive we can all agree that rape is bad so whether a fictional portrayal is hot or not should just be an agree to disagree situation.

and that's exactly the poiinntt. we all know damn well 16 yr olds view content like this take Euphoria for example, aint no way ppl gon tell 14 yr olds not to watch it when it portrays people of their age. Now Bl is a whole different thing cause it doesnt even matter if a 45yr old is reading this cause again portraying rape in these things needs to be done with utter most care. and to for u to say "There's really no right and wrong here; I'm positive we can all agree that rape is bad so whether a fictional portrayal is hot or not should just be an agree to disagree situation" is a bit much huh... cause there is no way we have to agree and disagree on weather RAPE is hot, rape is NOT HOT, period point blank we shldnt be talking bout this. what some of the ppl here are concerned abt is the fact that if Rape is romanticized and portrayed as chilling and thrilling teens as well as the older demographic may start to see this as ok, it isnt a disagree or agree, it is quite literally Psychology and a proven thing. You can read books with rape that isnt a problemo, but it depends on how its portrayed, if its romanticized then we have a problem if u like it no? if its portrayed as sad and an extremely immoral thing (as it shld be) then yes you can say "I like how they portrayed this! wowwowow!!!"

However I completely agree with ur point right hereee:

> If a minor chooses to read it regardless, it's on them if it affects their world view or whatever -- it's not on authors to stop writing this content or on other readers to always give warnings.<

Yes yes, the author gave warnings, but the issue isnt whether they write rape as i said... its HOW they write it. But your point is correct no author should have the responsibility of taking care of somebody child.

this point of yours:

>2) ppl aren't always reading rape plots to jerk off, it's just about the "ooh this is dark and twisted" factor that appeals to humans and makes content more interesting. Personally I actually do read waterside night for the "plot" lol?? I think the psychological elements are well done and toxic romances are intriguing.<

Is is something i can agree on, not everyone is gon jack off to this, but as BL is marketed to a certain demographic of ppl rather than queers sometimes, its is really a small chance someone wouldnt find this hot and "jack off". In all honesty the "ooh this is dark and twisted" shldnt be seen as a good reaction to rape being written since rape isnt an intriguing book genre or museum piece, the main reaction i think ppl shld have is "Wow this happens in our world today and this is so disgusting and sad, so DARK and TWISTED this is, No one shld go through this of course." and that is the basic reaction one must have imo.

Now ur FIRST point kind of made my jaw drop ngl....

>so like my main point is that you shouldn't bring up irl morals when it comes to fictional content.<

This isnt a correct way of thinking and this is why most of these books are marketed towards adults, to avoid this type of interpretation, it may be fiction but again adult shows portray what happens in the REAL WORLD, that someone younger than 14 wont understand so for you to basically (my interpretation of what u said sorry if its off correct me please pleaseee) to say when its portrayed in fiction its different, is a bit fucked up negl. Cause NO, it isnt, it is the exact same thing just depends on how realistically they can capture it in there chosen media. which isnt easy. Bringing IRL morals into fictional content is actually a very important thing to do when reading these types of things, as it SHOULD stop one from desensitizing the severity of the issue, it shld make readers gasp and nod at the MESSAGE that is portrayed in the book, fiction is supposed to make you feel, understand, ponder, comprehend, question what ur reading and empathize with or challenge the author and other fellow readers.

Well my main point is to an extent u may be correct but again, some of your points are a little interesting and I am not tryna change ur views just tryna make u understand that they didnt mean that you shld stop reading these types of things, its just u need to be careful when reading them and talking abt them cause at the end of the day it is a REAL LIFE issue, so when u talk with someone abt it, the book didnt warp ur view and u wont desensitize the issue.

Im so sorry for wasting ur time, I just want to help u understand what they (probs) meant and wanted to ensure that no one gets offended or feels like their feeling are being invalidated because of this matter. Thank you if you even read this far.

okay so i already noticed someone already responded to you with a pretty big paragraph, so i won't say TOO much . but like i said in previous comments i think it's irrational to not bring in irl morals into fiction when they're so interconnected and one relies on the other. and i think i used the example of lolicon or wtv and how you genuinely cannot separate it from the real world, because it reflects that you like kids in a sexual way, fictional or not. and i can understand how they're two different topics, but essentially the morality should still remain the same.

and honestly any representations of rape or sexual violence in fiction can be extremely sensitive and potentially triggering for survivors. authors and distributors of this content have a responsibility to tread carefully to ensure that the depiction of rape is handled responsibly and sensitively, without glorifying or trivializing the serious issue. and u said smth about people saying "ooo this is dark and twisted", that's the problem... rape shouldn't just be something dark and twisted for you to read

and in all honesty, this manhwa does not have well done psychological elements

Lol bro saying not taking it that seriously right after flooding my notifsit's not my problem some people can't distinguish fiction vs. reality. If a person is reading lolicon then expects that is what's gonna happen irl I'd say that's a big red flad on that person's mental health. Just because there're people with mental issues that have problems with separating fiction and reality doesn't mean you just adjust every single piece of media to be appropriate for them. You give the example of young children but these manhwa have an age restriction for a reason?? Human brain and id still develops till the age of 18 so it's recommended to police what that age group consumes in media as they can't separate fiction and reality sometimes.. and I assure you that I'm not under 18 and reading stuff that's restricted for my age :)

Anyway I'm muting this, but an advice, if something's restricted for your age don't read it and if you are reading it learn how to separate it from reality. If you can't, maybe try real therapy instead of seeking it from manhwa here

Last I’ll say on this I disagree that rape (and other dark or taboo topics) should only be portrayed like “this is sad and immoral”. Its like, this is nice to say and all but humans just aren’t like that. Go back as far in history as u want, ppl have been doing kinky, nasty shit and writing worse because again that appeals to us. You can be grossed out abt it but it doesnt change the facts that ppl can have these desires *without* ever wanting it in reality. Same with harmless desires even, like I will never understand whats hot abt smelling armpits but i wont shame ppl who do like that. Fiction isnt causing a 1-to-1 normalization of these topics, our society would be a lot more fucked up if that were the case lol but its complex. Fr just, focus ur energies on harmful rhetorics that *do* exist irl?

honestly last thing ill say as well cuz this has been going on for a while, but in all seriousness if you use fiction vs reality as justification you're probably the one who may need therapy

It must suck to realise that all this preaching will literailly slide off the entire industry without so much as a scratch. The next author is penning their own toxic yaoi and I am waiting to consume it - perhaps a few million others too, but then, they may have been converted by the above rant. 'Nough said.

You give a point of view on a work or people enjoy reading about it. Sorry but at some point, stop pissing people off. That's all there is to it. Flemme to read everything, I already written my point of view well enough.

and i dont think i care, your point of view is fucked. thank you, i was tryna be nice and give another perspective...3 but now u pissed me off.

Just end it here.

Oh dear, just a reminder: You come here to piss us off, on a book report where readers don't bother anyone and leave lovely comments, and you come to give us your moral crap and on top of that we have to listen to you? The nerve. You're so toxic. Is that really all you've got to do in your little life, to piss off people who are quietly reading? I respond to you and people respond to you because you impose your opinion. And we don't give a damn about your opinion. We didn't ask you, okay?
Can't you shut your mouth and notice that nobody asked you for your opinion? Can't you see when you're being annoying?
You're pitiful, sweetheart. You're the one who disturbs everyone by forcing people to think like you, but then again: no one asked your opinion. You'd have to be extremely stupid to read a work of nearly a hundred chapters, and then criticize the people who read and appreciate it. In addition to pissing us off.
Go get other people drunk, honey. We don't need to go and criticize people and then go and harass them. Go and see a therapist to talk about your need to give your opinion on everything from behind your computer. And to impose your vision of life and your shitty morals. With that, adios. I'm not going to waste any more minutes on an idiot who indulges in too much. Clown.

Bro i think ur the clown. Ur the one who needs therapy for ur fucked up morals. No one was forcing them its just ur weak ass mindset that made u sensitive to peoples criticism that you thought it was "forcing down someone's throat" I was quite polite about my opinion and how i felt that maybe the other person before me who was talking bout it probs didnt mention it in a malicious way, but no ur too sensitive to realise we are humans and we have opinions and fuck off with ur "sweetheart" shit you sound like a fucking idiot, embarrassing least to say. Your acting as if we slung our opinions into ur ass, nobody was trying to, its just ur pride is hurt that you people actually take ur opinion negatively like normal human beings, but instead of being polite about the criticism you barked like a fucking bitch. To use "Go to therapy" as an insult is quite pathetic, cause it is quite obvious u need the therapy since you cant seem to contain ur emotions when it comes to peoples opinions, this is a fucking manga site excpect the critics, How am i toxic for trying to give my opinion? your the toxic one for telling people to shut their mouths about their opinion. You need to fucking relax and actually use ur goddamn brain for once and realise you arent the only one here. Your fucking pathetic and need to fucking socialize goofy ass bitch, blinded by your fucking stupidity, ffs.

damn they ate u up

Really tho? You people were literally just saying people who read this are strange? You judge people for reading this work and at the same time YOU ARE READING IT TOO. I was kindly saying just fuck off and leave if it's not to your tastes but no you just had to come here and force your opinions on us by trying to alienate us. I think you are the "strange" ones, judging and pissing off people, then contradicting with yourself by reading this and commenting on it. No one's forcing you to read it, but if you're really that stupid that you can't even judge what is to your taste and what's not than just maybe fuck off of this site completely. I wasn't even gonna keep writing here but you just can't shut the fuck up huh... people like you are the reason why there's so much stupid unnecessary censorship on media even when there's no need and I'm not only talking about manhwa at all. I bet you're all just self-righteous pricks who acts like they're the only right person on earth irl too, and shit on lots of people's moods daily just for fun. Fuck you, you weirdos, shove your forced morals up your ass and just shut up already.

am i trippin or does the person above me take literal percs or smth. no way bro just said "forced morals". acting as if the consensus on rape being bad is a political ideology

I suggest you take a lesson on comprehending what you read cuz apparently there are major problems you're having in that area

oopsies! that's my bad!! maybe it's just cuz im too much of a normie that i didn't quite understand your complex and well thought out essay on the justification of rape! mind explaining to this total dweeb what you meant by: "force your opinions on us by trying to alienate us"? or maybe even: "people like you are the reason why there's so much stupid unnecessary censorship on media even when there's no need" – when talking about rape being portrayed as something that feels totes AMAZING in this manhwa?

OR perhaps: "I bet you're all just self-righteous pricks who acts like they're the only right person on earth irl too, and shit on lots of people's moods daily just for fun" – when in this case, your mood would be based off reading about a guy raping someone and the other guy just taking it up the ass and even enjoying it!! so sorry for raining on your parade!

ORRR could it be: "Fuck you, you weirdos, shove your forced morals up your ass and just shut up already" – oh no!! people not being okay with rape being shown as unicorns and glitter!! not wanting rape to be included for shits and giggles in gay fantasies written be female authors is suddenly having forced morals??

yea lmk which lessons on comprehension skills i need to take since CLEARLY i missed something. i think i got the part where you called us hypocrites, MAYBE not everything else tho...

Yeah that's exactly like I thought and you didn't understand shit about what I wrote. If you come in comments and tell people "no, you're the strange ones for reading this" for the same exact same thing that you read and commented on too, it will drop their moods sunshine, do I have to give a lesson on social awareness to you too? I never said rape is okay but you're taking a fictional story happening with fictional characters so seriously that you can't shut yourself up without writing at least 3 comments long stuff for an answer. I'm done talking to you, get help asap your reality and fiction have become inseparable and it shows.