um so the story is great and all but… Elva literally groomed Alto why is no one talking about that he was 10 years old… “stop growing up so fast Alto, stay my little puppy forever” bruh the way we are constantly reminded of it and it is gloryfied too wth
Idk but i don't think its grooming at all, he didn't even have sexual feelings for his when he was a kid he just thought he was cute...isnt that normal for anyone to feel? When you see someone you know since they were a kid grow up and you feel they were cuter when they were younger??
Idk but i don't think its grooming at all, he didn't even have sexual feelings for his when he was a kid he just thought he was cute...isnt that normal for anyone to feel? When you see someone you know since th... Yurizz
You are coping HARD. Imagine you were with an 18y old on daily basis, as a kid, he would have you bathe him, he’d cuddle you and be all touchy feely, call you cute and then you’d start a relationship right when you turn 18 yourself. Nah man
What a chronically online take The definition of grooming is to build a strong emotional connection with a child so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. You think Elva did this to Alto? Ig he thought of Alto like a pet that he couldn't get rid of. As someone who had never known companionship, Elva grew to value friendship with Alto and he started having feelings for him after he became FUlLy GRown. Bbfr and stop throwing the word around
What a chronically online take The definition of grooming is to build a strong emotional connection with a child so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. You think Elva did this to Alto? Ig he thought o... Yello
I already knew a decent chunk of the BL community is blind to problematic stuff but DAMN
What you quoted isn't in any way parallel to the definition of grooming bruh. Its a normal thing for people to see a cute kid and wish they'd remain small forever so that they stay cute always. People say it all the time lmao and its always said lightly. Everyone knows that lol
What you quoted isn't in any way parallel to the definition of grooming bruh. Its a normal thing for people to see a cute kid and wish they'd remain small forever so that they stay cute always. People say it al... WeiYingcore
The thing is he said this when Alto was already a grown up and he had feelings for him.
The thing is he said this when Alto was already a grown up and he had feelings for him. bellishu
Still what he said doesn't define grooming in any way. Also calling someone who has freshly turned 18 a grown up is a stretch lmao. Actually you know what stop throwing wround extremely heavy words so loosely without any context it waters doen the actual meaning of the word.
I already knew a decent chunk of the BL community is blind to problematic stuff but DAMN bellishu
You're barking up the wrong tree, girl. I think this is a very endearing story about found family. The influence of religion, fulfilling responsibilities forced upon you, the navigating the world as a queer person, is all very interesting. When people say "fully grown" they mean Alto is a very mature, emotionally intelligent person, capable of making responsible decisions. I love how they respect each other's boundaries and most importantly there is always CONSENT on both sides.
Elva IS someone who has dealt with SA in the past and he has deliberated carefully how Alto is different, how safe he feels with him. Not once when Alto was a child has Elva thought about making sexual advancements on him.
All in all I do know that topics of age and consent can be very dubious in BL mangas but I also think it's unfair to put this manga under that umbrella so carelessly.
You're barking up the wrong tree, girl. I think this is a very endearing story about found family. The influence of religion, fulfilling responsibilities forced upon you, the navigating the world as a queer per... Yello
This manga has incredible themes. That’s why it baffles me how the author got this one thing so horribly wrong. You don’t need to defend the problematic thing just because the other things are done right. If this was IRL couple you would be uncomfortable as hell. If you wouldn’t then I don’t know what else to tell you and I guess it is hopeless explaining further. It made me uncomfortbale through the whole read.
Still what he said doesn't define grooming in any way. Also calling someone who has freshly turned 18 a grown up is a stretch lmao. Actually you know what stop throwing wround extremely heavy words so loosely w... WeiYingcore
I provided context. I know you’re too blinded by the BL to see this. You are dimishing the meaning of the word by not acknowledging how messed up this is. He still took him as his little puppy when he already had feelings for him. The author also loves to throw around words like “my small body” “can you love this small body of mine” and overall, even though they do the other themes well, I still think this child-like character fetish of theirs is weird. If you can see past that good for you I guess. I can’t.
I provided context. I know you’re too blinded by the BL to see this. You are dimishing the meaning of the word by not acknowledging how messed up this is. He still took him as his little puppy when he already... bellishu
Why does "blinded by b* have anything to do with this.I just don't see how you concluded elva had romantic feelings for him when Alto was 10. Its not shown anywhere that elva had feeling for him. The feelings only developed after the time skip and all romantic scenes are after the time skip...as for the body, its a part of the plot why the kannagi have younger bodies. But even if the body is smaller he's still an adult, thats like common sense. You are really getting mad at nothing
Why does "blinded by b* have anything to do with this.I just don't see how you concluded elva had romantic feelings for him when Alto was 10. Its not shown anywhere that elva had feeling for him. The feelings o... WeiYingcore
No I said he had romantic feelings for him as 18 y old but still saw him as a little child basically and wanted him to remain small. He says those lines when he already has feelings for him. And author constantly reminded us of the age gap like every couple chapters as if she was proud of it. She gloryfies small bodies too. It is overall problematic main theme packaged into a pretty decent story. Sorry you can’t see it because you might be blind to it due to oversaturization of problematic stuff in BL.
No I said he had romantic feelings for him as 18 y old but still saw him as a little child basically and wanted him to remain small. He says those lines when he already has feelings for him.And author constantl... bellishu
You're reading too much into it dawg anyways you do you ig.
On the contrary, you’re ignoring the manga’s problems just because the story is more decent than most. But well, you do you too. bellishu
Thanks for letting us know of your opinion, even if it doesn't stop people from enjoying the manga lol. You should go make use of your discourse skills under a shota con discussion thread
Thanks for letting us know of your opinion, even if it doesn't stop people from enjoying the manga lol. You should go make use of your discourse skills under a shota con discussion thread Yello
I know it won’t, not my intention. I know there’s always gonna be the types of people enjoying it. You’re welcome. You have literally tons of comments here where you can rave about how flawless manga this is. If you didn’t like my opinion you could’ve ignored it and moved on.
Oh no, I rlly think you wanted people to agree with you. Why would you shout into the void otherwise lol. Anyway, I think you're splitting hairs on a manga that doesn't deserve it. Throwing around the word grooming is stretching it too but in the end we're free to interpret it how we like
Oh no, I rlly think you wanted people to agree with you. Why would you shout into the void otherwise lol. Anyway, I think you're splitting hairs on a manga that doesn't deserve it. Throwing around the word groo... Yello
I am not stretching, and I do think any manga that portrays the stuff deserves it to be pointed out. I know of people that agree with me, but alas I shouldn’t have expected anything from a bl community. A lot of people here come from mangas that romanticize couples that start with literal rape and disgusting abuse, so they are willing to overlook something packaged so nicely. Because a lot of the times, the bar is so low (for a lot of Asian BL) they jump and rejoice at the mere sign of a good plot and automatically start to excuse the bad things. Yes you are free to interpret this as healthy, and you are clearly in the majority here as well.
I am not stretching, and I do think any manga that portrays the stuff deserves it to be pointed out. I know of people that agree with me, but alas I shouldn’t have expected anything from a bl community. A lot... bellishu
i get what you mean like their romance is cute but then u just remember elva met him when he was a child. i just choose to accept that its like, this world exists in a different context but its still messed up :( (i feel the same way abt micaiah n sothe from fe if anyone knows what i mean)
um so the story is great and all but… Elva literally groomed Alto why is no one talking about that he was 10 years old… “stop growing up so fast Alto, stay my little puppy forever” bruh
the way we are constantly reminded of it and it is gloryfied too wth
Idk but i don't think its grooming at all, he didn't even have sexual feelings for his when he was a kid he just thought he was cute...isnt that normal for anyone to feel? When you see someone you know since they were a kid grow up and you feel they were cuter when they were younger??
You are coping HARD. Imagine you were with an 18y old on daily basis, as a kid, he would have you bathe him, he’d cuddle you and be all touchy feely, call you cute and then you’d start a relationship right when you turn 18 yourself. Nah man
Its not coping at all, its actually kinda normal to see couples like this where i live???and there is worse ones
What a chronically online take The definition of grooming is to build a strong emotional connection with a child so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. You think Elva did this to Alto? Ig he thought of Alto like a pet that he couldn't get rid of. As someone who had never known companionship, Elva grew to value friendship with Alto and he started having feelings for him after he became FUlLy GRown. Bbfr and stop throwing the word around
I already knew a decent chunk of the BL community is blind to problematic stuff but DAMN
What you quoted isn't in any way parallel to the definition of grooming bruh. Its a normal thing for people to see a cute kid and wish they'd remain small forever so that they stay cute always. People say it all the time lmao and its always said lightly. Everyone knows that lol
The thing is he said this when Alto was already a grown up and he had feelings for him.
“a grown up” is a strong word for a fresh 18yold but anyway
Still what he said doesn't define grooming in any way. Also calling someone who has freshly turned 18 a grown up is a stretch lmao. Actually you know what stop throwing wround extremely heavy words so loosely without any context it waters doen the actual meaning of the word.
You're barking up the wrong tree, girl. I think this is a very endearing story about found family. The influence of religion, fulfilling responsibilities forced upon you, the navigating the world as a queer person, is all very interesting. When people say "fully grown" they mean Alto is a very mature, emotionally intelligent person, capable of making responsible decisions. I love how they respect each other's boundaries and most importantly there is always CONSENT on both sides.
Elva IS someone who has dealt with SA in the past and he has deliberated carefully how Alto is different, how safe he feels with him. Not once when Alto was a child has Elva thought about making sexual advancements on him.
All in all I do know that topics of age and consent can be very dubious in BL mangas but I also think it's unfair to put this manga under that umbrella so carelessly.
This manga has incredible themes. That’s why it baffles me how the author got this one thing so horribly wrong. You don’t need to defend the problematic thing just because the other things are done right. If this was IRL couple you would be uncomfortable as hell. If you wouldn’t then I don’t know what else to tell you and I guess it is hopeless explaining further.
It made me uncomfortbale through the whole read.
I provided context. I know you’re too blinded by the BL to see this. You are dimishing the meaning of the word by not acknowledging how messed up this is. He still took him as his little puppy when he already had feelings for him. The author also loves to throw around words like “my small body” “can you love this small body of mine” and overall, even though they do the other themes well, I still think this child-like character fetish of theirs is weird. If you can see past that good for you I guess. I can’t.
Why does "blinded by b* have anything to do with this.I just don't see how you concluded elva had romantic feelings for him when Alto was 10. Its not shown anywhere that elva had feeling for him. The feelings only developed after the time skip and all romantic scenes are after the time skip...as for the body, its a part of the plot why the kannagi have younger bodies. But even if the body is smaller he's still an adult, thats like common sense. You are really getting mad at nothing
No I said he had romantic feelings for him as 18 y old but still saw him as a little child basically and wanted him to remain small. He says those lines when he already has feelings for him.
And author constantly reminded us of the age gap like every couple chapters as if she was proud of it. She gloryfies small bodies too. It is overall problematic main theme packaged into a pretty decent story. Sorry you can’t see it because you might be blind to it due to oversaturization of problematic stuff in BL.
You're reading too much into it dawg anyways you do you ig.
On the contrary, you’re ignoring the manga’s problems just because the story is more decent than most. But well, you do you too.
Thanks for letting us know of your opinion, even if it doesn't stop people from enjoying the manga lol. You should go make use of your discourse skills under a shota con discussion thread
I know it won’t, not my intention. I know there’s always gonna be the types of people enjoying it. You’re welcome. You have literally tons of comments here where you can rave about how flawless manga this is. If you didn’t like my opinion you could’ve ignored it and moved on.
Oh no, I rlly think you wanted people to agree with you. Why would you shout into the void otherwise lol. Anyway, I think you're splitting hairs on a manga that doesn't deserve it. Throwing around the word grooming is stretching it too but in the end we're free to interpret it how we like
I am not stretching, and I do think any manga that portrays the stuff deserves it to be pointed out. I know of people that agree with me, but alas I shouldn’t have expected anything from a bl community. A lot of people here come from mangas that romanticize couples that start with literal rape and disgusting abuse, so they are willing to overlook something packaged so nicely. Because a lot of the times, the bar is so low (for a lot of Asian BL) they jump and rejoice at the mere sign of a good plot and automatically start to excuse the bad things. Yes you are free to interpret this as healthy, and you are clearly in the majority here as well.
i get what you mean like their romance is cute but then u just remember elva met him when he was a child. i just choose to accept that its like, this world exists in a different context but its still messed up :( (i feel the same way abt micaiah n sothe from fe if anyone knows what i mean)