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maybe hes only gay for mo guanshan lmao

possibly bisexual

he's for sure bi. a lot of people refuse to admit it for some reason though... as a fellow bi it makes me happy.

The psychological damage wouldn't suddenly be reversed just because Bum is in a safe place. Bum's mental health wasn't in the best condition before he met Sangwoo, it has only gotten worse since. Bum is not thinking rationally.

That's not the point. I never said that Boom doesn't have psychological issues. And i certenly didn't mention anything being reversible....you make it sound like my comment says he is cured now....did you miss the part where it says SICK and TWISTED? What i'm saying is this isn't Stockholme syndrome, and ppl who think it is just see things too onedimensionally. The mental problems Boom has are numerus and they play a big role in determening his character, but they are not the sole reason why he is attached to Sangwoo. He is in love with him. That is my point. He was completely rational in this chapter, if he wasn't he wouldn't have managed to evade all of those questions from the cops.

I agree, from the beginning he was in love with him, and even though hes been subjected to horrible things its not stockholm at all, he is unmedicated and in love with him as terrible as the love is , he still makes the choice to stay by his side （￣へ￣）

You say he's sick and twisted but also that he's also rational, that's a bit confusing. I don't know if it's Stockholm syndrome driving his decisions but he's not thinking rationally.

Exactly! thank you ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

Omg....I said IN THIS chapter he was rational. From the way he behaved in front of the cops, and the decision he made to protect Sangwoo in the end....I never said he was rational all along. I feel like you can't understand a comment....let alone the manhwa. lol.

I feel like you think there is only one way to interpret this manhwa (〜￣△￣)〜

You must not understand how Stockholm Syndrome works or how complex it can be. Because it doesn't take the captor whispering in the victim's ear for them to follow the captor's every desire. There are multiple cases, real cases, where as even years after the victim was rescued, the victim would claim to still feel affection and even compassion for their captor. I'm not saying the main character has it, but do understand that calling other stupid only shows your ignorence because Stockholm Syndrome is a very real thing that is depicted (maybe not intentionally) in this manga.

Umm no....that's you who thinks so #－.－)

Are you not the one who said I couldn't understand the manhwa because I disagreed with you? (〜￣△￣)〜

I know very well how Stockholm syndrome works. I'm making the argument that Boom is acting on his own acord regardless. Faced with pictures of Sangwoos dead victim, faced with accusation that he killed a girl and that he might go to jail for it, faced with the statement that Sangwoo might not love him, and lastly the possibility that one day he will probably die by his hand as well - he chooses to protect him anyway! You can't say all of that is just because he got attached like kidnapping victims usually do.

Oh and btw, just because victims of kidnapping feel longterm affection for their captors, doesn't mean that they would ever go back into that situation.

No i said you couldn't understand the manga because you couldn't understand my comment...thus i had to explain it to you twice ╮(￣▽￣)╭

You are a troll or just too immature to understand this and fail to see it even its spelled it out for ya.

totally agree with you !

No...Let's be frank. Bum was never 100% rational. Even from the beginning he has psychological issues stemming from his early age(abusive uncle). His decisions and choices are not something "rational" people would think of doing (stalking, self harm, protecting your kidnapper, etc). He never got psychological help and stays insecure and all sort. Now that we established that Bum is not mentally fine (we all know) let's move on.

In the beginning we see that he's trying to run away but fear overtakes him a lot and he just relents, follows and be obedient to save his own life (we all admit that's stockholm syndrome). But then later, he starts falling into the role of sangwoo's sidekick, a friend, a "crush", "lover". (ever act a character for so long and so seriously that you lose yourself? No? Not an actor? Can't relate? Okay) It's a trap. His mind is slowly convincing himself that his life is better like this, living with a psychotic murderer, confined. This story having told from Bum's pov didn't help the readers with their rationality either (I mean Sangwoo is so fcking hot. He's burning in that bathtub like). And bam, the readers have officially fallen into Bum's mindset (well...some of us did.)
Yes, indeed a great manhwa but not a rare case. THIS IS STOCKHOLM SYNDROME whether we like to admit it or not.

I've discussed this with my psychology professor because I was truly interested in his opinion of the situation (if you need some ethos to back up on, he has a master degree in psychology and been in the field for 29 years). It's nothing new in the psychology world. I remembered his lesson regarding this subject, he joked about how yes, we can make people fall in "love" with us. "Kidnap someone. Threaten them. Then treat them with love. But dont forget to keep the threat in the background just in case. And bam, they think you're a saint because their situation is "better". You might go to jail afterward but at least you got someone waiting for you when you get out." Once you convince yourself of your feelings, it takes a planet and two stars to change your mind. Humans are stubborn. We don't back down. We double up. Why do you think obsessed people never give up even though they are told their feelings are not mutual shared.

His decision to be loyal is conscious but it is not rational. He has established the fact that Sangwoo loves him and will love him back and won't listen to reasoning, especially from a random ass cop he doesn't even trust. If you try to convince people they are wrong when they are so sure they are right, you have them on the defensive and they automatically block you out. Bum's face simply means he doesn't give two crap about what other people say. Doesn't care about what's wrong or right.

I am torn between wanting Sangwoo arrested and him and bum being happily ever after. I don't mind your opinion on their love because this is twisted love. However, for you to adamantly claim this is no longer Stockholm syndrome or Stockholm syndrome is no longer a thing that affects Bum, is something i simply have to dip my hands into. If the syndrom was that easy to rid of, it wouldn't even have a name. It wouldn't be as famous. But it does have a name and it is famous and psychology has question why, why, why, why does this person think they are in love with their abusive lover? rapist? Kidnapper? Why? Because my friend, a mental illness doesn't just disappear when the source does. Just because a deep wound heal doesn't mean it wont leave a scar.

I feel this chapter it's mostly his BPD speaking for him, rather than Stockholms.
And I don't think someone so deep in the disorder could ever be called rational, yes he had time to calmly think, and made his choice and is sticking to it, but he is far from being clearheaded, when just moments ago he was hallucinating.
Anyway the more fucked up they get the more i ship those two so whatever, they suit eachother in their own fucked up way

Omg...i feel like you are wrong about some points....but im too lazy to even go at it anymore cuz it's too long...it's just sad to me that ppl look up Stockholme on wikipedia or take a psych class and feel the need to lable this as such. Psychology is not a science and therefore it's not black and white....2 ppl with exact same symptomes can have different diagnoses. If I were you i'd take a lit class or read authors like Dostojevski...to broaden your views on these issues...

Woah you actually read the definition in Wikipedia? Great, but you still couldn't figure it out. And psychology is a behavioral science, yes, but Bum... *sigh* l am not going to beat this dead-rotting horse. Peace!

Okay, clearly everyone here has different opinions on whether Boom has Stockholm Syndrome or not, so you just stating that you're correct is pretty ignorant. OBVIOUSLY, if everyone here is having a difficult decision between whether it's Stockholm Syndrome or not it is not as "obvious" as you thought. No matter what you say, no matter how many posts you create, I'm still going to believe Boom has Stockholm Syndrome, and this does not make us idiots lmao.

I'm not trying to force my opinion on others but because you so persistently try to convince us it's not Stockholm Syndrome I will state my opinion as well.

Boom WAS in love with Sangwoo, he WAS stalking him, THEN he found out he is a murderer. (Keyword = Was + Then). Afterward, Boom became frightened and he tried to escape multiple times. Out of fear of being abused he obeyed Sangwoo and later on fell in "love" with him. (Stockholm Syndrome, check). Okay. So, he has been stuck with Sangwoo for so long now and now he's at a police station filled with cops. Boom became even closer with Sangwoo after he murdered that girl because he was afraid of being arrested. I believe that even now he defends Sangwoo because he doesn't want to be arrested and fears what will happen if he confesses about Sangwoo. It has only been like what, 2-3 days since they were in the police station? That is most definitely not enough time to open up.

Stockholm Syndrome clearly states that you DO NOT have to be in danger to side with a captor. You say you understand Stockholm Syndrome and that it's ridiculous to look up, but do you really understand? I think you may want to look it up as well honestly. There is more than one way to look at this and this was just my opinion but you should stop trying to ignorantly force your opinions on others.

Modern psychological is supported by empirical data. It is very ignorant to tell someone to seek education in psychology from a literature class.

psychology*

Psychology is still not a science though, it never will be, the data is based mostly on statistics not facts....that being said it's still a feild i respect, don't get me wrong....i don't deminish the role it plays.

I didn't phrase the lit part in a good way cuz i just don't have the strength anymore, so that one is my bad....I wasn't suggesting to learn psychology from literature-.- I just meant that there are great works of lit that give insight into the human psyche and that there are other feilds that could come in handy for the interpretation of this work other than psychology which everyone is fixating on

I just have to add that im not into debating this any longer...it is getting really old and some ppls responses are just too dumb to even analyze and try to disprove. It's looking more like a battle than a civilized argument, which is my fault, for my original comment was written very passionetly and in the heat of the moment, so it is a bit insolting I get that. However i stand behind every word.

I guess time will tell if this is love or Stockholme syndrome, the author will be the judge of that. And when that happens im gonna write a comment saying i told you so, cuz to me it is clear already.^^ And if im wrong i'll gladly hear the same thing from all of u. However I can see that for some ppl even a confesion of love between Sang and Boomi wouldn't change their opinion, thouse souls can't be helped sadly.^^

Aside from using statistics, psychology can be explained through neuroscience, biology, chemistry, genetics and other sciences. Psychology is not a natural science but a social science. Current research in psychology or natural science adheres to a scientific method and is reviewed by a collective before publication. Psychology is the study of the mind, it's functioning and behavior. In short, the study of the human psyche. When theorizing about the character's behavior, psychology is the appropriate field to focus on. Claims made by a non-psychological text are inappropriate to use to refute claims by a psychological reference. By arguing if this is Stockholm Syndrome or not you too are attempting to explain this from a psychological perspective.

It does use scientifical methods like you've just mentioned...but like you said it's the study of the human psyche which is not tangible but abstract and therefore no laws of psychology can be proven...also parts of what you touched on fall more under psychiatry and neurology.

Even Freud, the father of psychology admired Dostoevsky's work and found it insightful.

Lit class, I assume you're interested in English as a subject. Then let me dissect your entire argument using English related concepts. Since you seem to prefer to argue based on pathos rather than logos and ethos (from the very beginning. L.O.L). I can tell from your diction you're losing patience and also fighting a losing war. For ex. "it's sad..." "I'm too lazy" "...to broaden your views", are ALL indicators of passive aggressive attitude (and it also indicate you have no ethos and is mentioning other unrelated subjects bc it's your last resort). In fact, every one of your reply was just passive aggressive, as if you're arguing simply bc you cannot bare to be proven wrong(understandable, it's human nature) however, you have not inserted any credibility to your name nor any logical thinking into your argument(regarding Stockholm syndrome). It is mostly your opinions and feelings (now we are not talking about bum's love, that is all opinions and you can say anything...we are talking about whether he is still affected by the mental illness or not, which you said the latter). Pathos is dangerous to use in an argument (but you WOulD KnOw because you seem to like taking English related classes am I wrong?)

YOU ARE CORRECT ON THESE POINTS1.psychology is indeed not black and white. 2.my reply was too long to break down, but I am honored you read everything. If your views are so "broaden", you would not have assumed the only source of information out there is wiki. I have multiple, CREDIBLE professors, psychologists, people IN THE FIELD, that I can ask. I also do happen to take a lit class (Macbeth ring a bell?), and if you believe that class is shaped to teach you about mental illnesses, honey, get a refund. Btw People do not take a biology class to learn about chemistry nor do they take physics to learn about calculus. You said psychology is complicated(true), Stockholm syndrome is psychology (true), then that makes Stockholm syndrome complicated (true). Yet you said because Bum's threat is no longer around, he's perfectly conscious of his decisions and there are no factors of Stockholm syndrome affecting him. As if...implying Stockholm syndrome is simply a sticker that'll fall off once the sticky part is gone(metaphor)...hmm..well...stickers..aren't complicated nor is it psychology. But Stockholm syndrome is, just because the root of the problem is gone, doesn't mean the stem haven't grown or the seeds haven't spread.
I'M sorry this is so long, I'm used to writing analysis for class. (and I do not think it is sad to take psychology class Bc believe it or not, it is REQUIRED for psychology majors.)
IMPORTANT QUESTION, where are you getting your...uh...information regarding Stockholm syndrome from again? Not wiki I hope(Bc that seems to be the first thing that pops up in your mind when you accused people of using it). May I check the source?

http://drjoecarver.makeswebsites.com/clients/49355/File/love_and_stockholm_syndrome.html


awaken

<3 made my night

Bum has always had an internal conflict about his love for Sangwoo, even in chapter 34.

he don't have stockholm syndrome because he was already in love with sangwoo and that's why he entred his house and the story began.and i think because of his trauma and mental state his love grow deeper and twisted.