Dang, I hate this type of ml who are like "Well, idk how to approach you!' like yeah, sure buddy, talking/thinking about another person whilst going out with your FIANCEE is such a brilliant idea. Also, I'm just gonna say, the princess is also at blame. Like how are you as a princess, who must be aware of rumors, literally just letting that sht of an ml do that to an innocent woman? Don't go saying "I feel bad for your FIANCEE. You should not do this to her" HELLLLOOO?????? GURL, ITS TOO LATEEEEE. It's one of my pet peeves when a character, who is crown prince/princess is somehow so deaf when it comes to rumors. HOW DOES EVERYONE KNOW BUT YOU GUYS DONTTTTTT??? It's honestly so stupid, and it highlights how incompetent they are. It's insane to me how these characters are always the crown prince/princesses, when they should be rlly aware of rumors. And what's worse, is when the author literally shedding blood, sweat, and tears describing their brilliance and achievements.. so contradictory.. and, where are the servants??? Why couldn't they tell them?? WHY IS EVERYONE SO INCOMPETENT???
Currently at chapter 62, and imma predict that the fl is gonna forgive that fake ass friend. As always
Chp.88.. And I was right lol fl's like this gotta be killed for food bruh, so they realized acting sainty is not gonna help them. Istg, this is why I prefer fl's that aren't a goody two shoes, and actually realized that the person that betrayed them is a dangerous person and should be punished accordingly.
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Okay the art is pretty, and ofc the fl is pretty too.. but srslyyyyy, what's with the whole fit in chapter 27??? The dress just don't fit her at all, it's like those dresses that kids wear. And, the red lipstip just don't work on the fl at all.. or maybe it does??? But the dress is just rlly throwing me off. It looks hideous... All that build up at chapter 25-26, just for her to look like it was rushed. The whole coat+dress look is just not it... If you just look at her top, it looks like a mix of equestrian attire, granny, teacher, doctor(cuz of the whole coat situation), OR something an old noble woman would wear.. and then the bottom is kinda okay, but then again, it looks like something a kid would wear. They don't her so dirty omfg
Oh and now I'm looking at the top closely, the triangle(?) clothe shape thing makes her look like a priest. This dress is just a jumble of mess.. I swear, every time I read a manhwa with the same trope of mc disguising herself as a man, the artist always makes the dress horrendous for the whole big reveal... I get that maybe the artist wanted her to be the cutesy type, but literally pleaseeee look at Penelope's(from Death Is The Only Ending For The Villainess) casual dresses and take inspiration from there! I high-key believe the artist here just wanted to draw something "unique".. but the execution is just not there.
Okay her fit in chapter 43 IS CUTEEE. Now this is what I'm talking about, it suits her!
Sigh.. her dress in chapter 45 is giving a wife with 3 kids, and is in her mid 30s-40... Though it's understandable since she poor. But dang, even the maid dress looks better. Justice for the fl, I swear the artist is doing her so dirty
Okay her dress in chapter 47 is okay, but it doesn't rlly compliment her. Bro, is the artist doing this on purpose to get the readers mad??? Like why can the artist draw violet's dresses that compliments her well, but somehow she doesn't know any color/design that suits the fl's red hair and feature
But I'm glad she didn't wear the red lipstick this time.
Such a bad idea to start reading this with barely any chapters ╥﹏╥ I FR KOVE THIS FAMILY ACKKKK
I've only started reading chapter 1, but the translations sucks.. does anyone know a site with better translations?
Dang, I was liking the saint until the chapter 16-18. Like girly literally shouted "do you like onyx?!?!", basically "outing" the fl Infront of everyone. After that, she doesn't even let the fl talk(like come on, the fl is literally speechless and your just yapping about fighting fair and square for this one guy... A GUY for all things..). Then, the third prince gives her some ideas, and so she legit asks the fl is she wanted to go out, ONLY FOR HER TO LITERALLY INV ONYX WITHOUT EVEN TELLING THE FL?? GURL... You already know you got an advantage. The fact that she didn't even tell the fl, it's giving not a true friend and such an ick. The fact that she did that.. BLURGH.. Idk, ik her character is like "oopsie, hehehe I'm just a naive wittle gurly~ and yes!! I love this one guy, so I'm if I make any mistakes forgive me heheh~~"... And judging from the comments here, the fl is just gonna fumble the bag so hard. Atp, I'm just gonna drop this ;-; too many annoying things.
Like your no different from those fake ass girls that uses the fl. Though, the only difference is that she literally rubs it Infront of the fl's face, like legit slapping her as she blushes, smiles, and acts all heheh with onyx as she grabs his arm.
I'm kinda confused, since when did the raebin and the red hair(help sorry idk how to spell his name) got into a fight??? And I feel like the chapters are cutted or missing, cuz why did they take a picture of their food(that their fans gave them), and then suddenly it cuts to them posting a pic bowing.. I feel like they should be dialogue there?? Or a scene explaining "sht, we messed up", hence they uploaded a pic of them bowing. And then for this chapter, there is one obvious cut too...it's when big sejin held small sejin who collapsed. Brooosjodnsoskd I'm guessing these are bots uploading these chapters, someone plsss fixxx itttt... Ik this is dramatic but this manhwa is literally just one of my favorites ;-;
Oops, I meant missing panels, not chapters.
Ik we beefin lolol but your comment made me reread and no wonder why the chapters felt short.
Found a faaaar better translation but it got shit tons of ad tho
https://vortexscans.org/series/debut-or-die/chapter-77
Is there harem y'all?? My friend is currently reading this, and now she's confused cuz she's talking about how the mc has currently kissed/been kissed by 3 different women. Is this another SAO situation??
Nvm dropping this shtttt lol just saw someone giving a spoiler down below that he gives 3 engagement rings to 3 different women. I was confused as to why this was only rated 9.3 when it has 800+ votes.. I get it now ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Whoever added this manhwa to mangago should rlly add the harem tag, and not "clickbait" ppl bruh.
The harem are eventually forgotten in the middle so I think that's why it's not harem tagged. Kiyoung really doesn't end up with anyone that he manipulates
Still, it happened. Imo it's stupid to not add the tag just cuz the author focused on other aspects in the middle of the story.. from the spoilers I saw so far, it's rlly giving SAO situation where the mc has multiple women gunning for him, lots of fanservice(like him kissing/getting kissed..), just for him to end up with one woman(or in this case, none cuz of the spoiler down below.), but that doesn't mean that the women are just gonna disappear, nah they are still there. Such a waste of potential smh
Authors should rlly just stop giving in for these gooners man, like look at eleceed and other action manhwas.. they are doing so well without these unnecessary harem.
I just know that the author probably realized half way in that they didn't need to do this harem sht for their work to pop off, but alas it still happened...
This is why I wholeheartedly believe that if an author ruins a good story with harem, it just means they aren't that good enough OR they don't feel confident so they gotta bring in the gooners. Like let's be honest, harem is literally just fillers of the story lol
yeah, LIKE NANO MACHINE AUTHOR IT WAS GOOD YET HE SUDDENLY PULLED THE SHT OF IT AIGO but lemme tell you, this one is a bit different from those gooner fcking big boobies and nonsense body shape of a harem manhwas! this one's like not a harem but harem at the same time;-; the women here is like friend with benefits?dunno but it's diff from other harem. This is more like BL than harem lmao, and he even see the women by his side as a tools, no, he see everyone as his tools(tho they're exceptions) i hate harem, but this one somehow made me stomach it. If you like evil and funny mc, you should try it!!(it was too late for me when i got spoiled that this is a harem and I'm already invested with mc and the plot
Honestly yeah the harem isn't really a traditional harem where we kiss kiss fall in love. It's more like when you catch a pokemon and add it into your team. You're leveling them up while also making sure you take care of them and become attached to them as the journey continues. Like the first girl is basically your starter pokemon that you carry around and favor and pamper.
If it had been more romance based I definitely would have dropped a long time ago like with SAO.
The 2 of those rings were forced upon by the girls and the third too but not in the same intensity as the others, so it wasn't exactly out of love. But you're kinda valid, it's alright if this isn't your thing.
Okay I get that the fl is all for the "kids are innocent", but tf was that comment of the fl in chapter 14 stating "oh so the death of the duke was necessary"??? It literally irks me how her attitude towards the ml is sooo stupid(sorry English isn't my first language, so idk what word fits more), compared to her attitude towards the duke and duchess. Like goddamn, this woman is treating him as him he's a cold blooded killer(which, lowk he is cuz of the first tl), HOW ABOUT YOU FOCUS ON THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM HELLLOOOO?? I'm glad the Butler shut her ass up, explaining the ml's horrible situation. I don't understand how the fl cant sympathize with the ml too. She literally went "HES A FUCKING KILLER, KILLED INNOCENT KIDS, his dad called for assassins to kill him, BUT HOW DARE HE????" Tf???? And not her saving herself by stating "oh but I wasn't criticizing him!(Then why tf would you mention him killing the duke?? HUH??) The kids are innocent!!!!"... She's talking as if he already killed the kids. Mf, stop your yapping. I get it, you love the dang kids, but at this point your kinda sounding like those pro-birth people, always yapping about the kids and not actually taking the account of the living person's situation. But the difference is, the kids are actually living and not just some fetus.
Did you read the whole thing already? She literally told Diego that she pitied him too since he was also beaten as a child?? She was being cautious around Diego because the Diego that she knew killed the kids. That's why Duke Bertha at the hand of Diego was necessary. Also ofc she condemns him killing the Duke because it IS still murder, but she shows a lot of empathy and understanding towards Diego as well around the chapter 20 mark (i dont remember specific chapter)
I did, she only started pitying him when the butler hit her with his lore. Only then did she went "well, ofc I also pity him." My point still stands, the fl was so out of line with her comment, showing full on hostile to the ml, WHILE knowing fully well that he's literally fighting off the assassin's that his father sent him. But then she goes on cowering when it comes to the duke??? The ml's situation is literally kill or be killed, and she had the audacity to say that. If she's so brave, why couldn't she show the same hostility towards the duke?? You know, the ROOT of the problem??? It's as if she's only condemning the ml just cuz he killed the kids. Like I get it, they are innocent. But let's not forget the ml is also an innocent kid, but ofc the duke doesn't care and still tries to kill him. She should've directed that anger towards the duke, for making the ml's life a living hell that made him lose mercy towards his own siblings. But ofcccc, all of that doesn't matter cuz he still killed the iNnOcEnT kIdS in the first tl. How could he do that?!?!?! I mean, even if he was living in a nightmare since birth, there is noooo waayyy he went mentally crazy, right??
And I forgot to mention, the fl's actions would've been a bit reasonable ONLY if the ml still killed the kids in the current tl. But ofc, she has to show her nasty ass personality, stating something along the lines of "oh so killing the duke was necessary??" BUT NO?? THE KIDS ARE STILL ALIVE??? I'm just glad that the butler had to shut her ass up and reminded her of his life. She can never truly sympathize with him, cuz guess what?? She never went through whatever the ml's life was growing up! She lived a decent life, and got a job that she wanted. She never had to kill off assassins her parents sent to her. She literally never had to kill someone.
I'm at chp.106, and I've lost all respect for both the ml and fl. I thought y'all cared for the ppl of east??? THE KING LITERALLY CURSED THE EAST FOR DECADES CUZ OF SOME STUPID PETTY REASON OF GETTING REJECTED AND HIS CRUSH CHOSE ANOTHER MAN. ARE THE LIVES OF INNOCENT PPL THAT DIED ALL FOR NOTHING??? CUZ OF SOME MEASLY HEARTBREAK???????? WHY TFFFFF WOULD YALL GIVE HIM A SECOND CHANCE?????
I'm genuinely pissed... Tf is the author thinking???? "oH tRuE lOvE!!!"?!???!?!?!?!?! This is actually stupid, I'm not even joking.
And not the ml going "I understand having the one you love taken away" oh okay so it's all good and dandy, so ofc the king deserves a second chance BUT YALLLLLL, HE LEGIT KILLED PROB THOUSAND OF PPL?? YOUR PPL EVEN!!!!! R YALL STUPIDDDDD???
If I was reincarnated in this world, I will literally choke the living hell out of the fl and ml, cuz no way I'm literally suffering over here, and your here giving that man who caused this madness a second chance CUZ YALL SYMPATHIZE THE FACT THAT HE GOT HEARTBROKEN???? The writing of this manhwa is stupid, did a middle schooler write this down???
I just know damn well they wouldn't be acting this way if the king actually killed someone close to them, like for example the fl's dad/sister. But ofc, those measly commoners are just nothing.