i swear everyone is mainly fine in this comment section until some annoying taku stan starts harassing joowon stans by calling them incest supporters (as if that is what haesoo and joowon are anyway lol). like uh..... stop it.
idc if yall are fighting over joowon and taku because they are FICTIONAL. but please: stop acting like you're morally above others, and insulting actual people, and virtue signalling. that's VERY different from saying "joowon sucks" "taku toxic" etc. lol
IKR it's not even incest because the parents are not married
The way jooin actually communicates with Cain and tells him his problems, and asks for his advice. And Cain wholeheartedly wants to listen and reassure him is SWEET. I LOVE THEIR RELATIONSHIP.
I hate how the author is doing everything right with Cain cause he doesnt seem like endgame AT ALL. So the author might do some crazy shit with him, like make him a stalker or manipulator or whatever. it hurts nooo T.T
Exactly
Yawhi: "im giving you everything i want" "What more do you want from me?"
yknow I always understood yawhi as an asshat. but no, more than that, i think he's just straight up emotionally stupid. emotional intelligence: detected NOWHERE!
So my understanding of LOH after reading it over these 2 years and seeing many thoughts on socmed/mggo, is that it's a story about selfish love, and selfless love.
Like Taku for example was manipulative towards Haesoo and didn’t have great intentions when he approached Haesoo. He was planning just to use him and drop him like all his past models. But when Taku felt more deeply and showed some genuine feelings for Haesoo, I found that he was ONLY concerned with himself. He didn’t care whether Haesoo was happy or not. Haesoo was visibly losing weight and unhappy as said by his mom, but Taku didn't seem to care at all. Even when Joowon got into all that trouble, notice how he starts typing "are you okay?" and then deletes it and tells Haesoo to stop caring about Joowon, even though this is something thats clearly hurting and worrying Haesoo. And NOW IN THIS CHAPTER: when they broke up he said he hoped Haesoo has a hard time and regrets leaving him… even though Haesoo genuinely didn’t wrong him. They both decided on this relationship. Taku was the one begging to do this, knowing Haesoo loves someone else, so he has no logical reason to wish Haesoo a hard time especially after he admitted Haesoo tried his best. So yeah... his words were purely emotional and selfish. Overall yeah, I just think Taku basically showed us: “Love is selfish”
But the endgame pair of LOH showed that that love can be selfless too. Like Joowon and Haesoo locked themselves into their open relationship because they were driven into a corner by their parents. They wanted to be with each other, but they didn't want to take the responsibility of the potential losses for their relationship. Which ofc is SELFISH as theyre caring more about themselves and what they could lose, than how the other person feels.
But when they separated, the change slowly happened and it was JOOWON that changed the most. Joowon called Haesoo after their painful separation and put aside his hurt feelings and told Haesoo something like: “I’m always on your side, even as a brother or friend, I’m just all yours". He was willing to support Haesoo even if Haesoo told him he liked Taku. It shows him swallowing his own feelings and loving Haesoo without condition. Joowon then later sacrificed his public reputation and career to protect Haesoo during the bullying scandal. He told Haesoo he wanted to take responsibility, which I think made Haesoo realize a lot, and gave hs courage to admit his feelings later. Like the whole point of LOH is that for a relationship to work out, you need willingness to sometimes make sacrifices for each other. Which is what Joowon and Haesoo did in the end. The very act of them confessing to each other is a SACRIFICE because their parents dont support them and they could face consequences.
The writer once said Love or Hate is a story about why a relationship can be fulfilled, and also why it may remain unfulfilled. Both statements perfectly fit Joohae (old relationship vs new one), and I love how well thought out it is.
wow i didnt read this but i just know you went off, go queen!!
but srsly this is sum higher level thinking
Love or Hate is a higher level manhwa lol
fr straight up masterpiece and presents an actual realistic depiction of romance, but sum people tend to just dumb it down
Heesoo started relationships to get over Joowon, he was using taku just as much.
cause BL readers don't want to think. Theyre used to pretty watered down stories with little character depth, simplistic themes and conflict, and just mainly fluff or smut lol
Yeah all the more reason their relationship didn't work out lol
Haesoo used Taku just as much: but it doesn't change the fact that their r/s was a mutual agreement. They were both fully aware of the implications of being with each other and literally MADE A PACT to not have hard feelings. But that's what Taku goes ahead and does
But Haesoo didn’t even want to be in the relationship but taku keeps pressuring him
Whew Joowonists write the best essays and actually know to read and pay attention to every panel in the manhwa.
Well, if anything this webtoon strongly emphatizes is that feelings are beyond one's control.
Taku was petty but it doesn't sit well with me to call jowoon and heesoo selfless like every character in this story was just awful and toxic towards themselves and each other and others.
again: yall prove that taku apologists can't read. op LITERALLY talked about how joowon and haesoo were selfish which is why their old relationship failed. and only when they decided to be selfless for one another, they were able to rebuild their relationship.
You can't read either, I literally said every character is toxic and awful, I hated them all they should have stayed single and moved on from each other.
"it doesn't sit well with me to call jowoon and heesoo selfless". haesoo and joowon were literally that and that was the POINT of their development. they went from being selfish about their relationship, to being selfless. you can't just rewrite the story and act like "yeah that never happened" when the panels showed it did happen. BeeTee is spot on with their analysis.
Look, I personally won't call them selfless still. For their relationship to work, they needed to work on themselves first, it's just shows growth I guess.
also it makes no sense for them to simply "move on" from each other, when the main reason they couldnt be together was cause of their parents. whatever happened in this story, even if they decided to stay single: the fact that they needed to come clean and be honest with each other was CLEAR AS WATER. that was the whole freaking point of loh and the story would never EVER end if they weren't honest with each other. like how tf are they supposed to move on if they dont get proper closure. it's valid if they decide to stay single even after admitting how they truly felt. WHICH. They actually kind of do for some time lol. Haesoo literally leaves joowon to go abroad for 3 whole years and they dont see each other in this time.
Yeah exactly. Honestly there were only two potential outcomes to this story.
1: Haesoo and Joowon endgame.
2: Haesoo ends up with no one.
But whether either happened, it would not happen without Haesoo and Joowon talking truthfully about their feelings for each other. If the parents got remarried, it would probably be the latter. There's 10 times more to this story and their relationship than "theyre toxic therefore they shouldnt be together" but readers just like to water it down so much.
whew are you stealing my brand of writing loh essays on here now??
lmaooo jk ily <3 you put it so well!! brb gonna frame this on my wall
my rambling will never live up to your perfect writing and thoughts dont worry hahaha (⌒▽⌒) noooo im flattered tho ily too!
THE RAWS IM SOBBING. JOOWON IS SO SEXY. WHY DOES THIS MAN NEED TO BE FICTIONAL HUH
Can you tell where the rates are pls x
sorry idk, i read it on lezhin (official site), it costs money
Chapter 102 raws are gonna drop in a few hours. Joohae sexy times let goooo!
The last time they actually fcked was Chapter 19, which was published LITERALLY OVER 2 YEARS AGO (Jan 19, 2019!!), IK IT'S TRAGIC ಥ_ಥ
Anyway Joowon/Joohae stans must be the strongest most patient fans ever. most still supported the author despite no joohae and lots of joowon pain ;-; and they even bought billboards for Joowon lol (king <3 )
Okay but does anyone realize theres really no reason for Jooin to even like Yawhi so much??? They just screw each other, Yawhi doesnt treat him well, or even express that he enjoys spending time with him, and thats it??
Meanwhile, all Jooin thinks is: he’s so hot! Like its all just merely physical/sexual attraction.
With Cain, Jooin literally said in the raws that Cain is really nice to him. There’s an actual reason to really like someone. But I mean... I guess I shouldnt expect much when it comes to character depth and reasoning with this author lolol
Literally THIS!
Lololol so you read the other author’s work too! I was hesitant to start this one but gave it a shot and I’m already annoyed at the Sunbae and sometimes Jooni for giving him so many chances and keeps getting hurt! I prefer Cain but also we don’t really know his intentions.
Yall saying Jooin deserves better but like... this kid is a dumbass!! Yawhi has been nothing but an asshole to him and he just keeps crawling back looking for validation that yawhi will return his feelings no matter how poorly he gets treated. Honestly he’s worse than DG towards Jiwon (in bj alex). And the dumbest part is there is literally NO reason that he even likes Yawhi?? Jooin says Cain treats him well, but there hasnt been a single reason for him to like Yawhi. He just goes on about Yawhi’s looks and enjoys the sex. Its so shallow ><
Also, it kinda sucks that the author made it super clear how Cain is not endgame. Cain is a bit sus, but he genuinely doesnt seem to want to hurt Jooin. He’s sweet, protective and RESPECTFUL. Especially in the latest raws. They were drinking together and he stopped Jooin from getting too drunk and started giving him shots of water instead. He also got flustered and ran to the bathroom when Jooin got close to him, cuteee. He said he didnt want to be greedy. Doesnt sound like a manipulative stalker trying to take advantage of Jooin to me! (SO FAR, he’s still kinda sus). And even if Cain ends up being messed up, I still wouldnt support Yawhi. I’d just support neither smh
nooo jiwoon crying and saying all that made my heart hurt cause I dont see it as his fault T___T he was too drugged up to fully realize the state Suha was in. But also Suha didn't blame him at all and was just concerned for him the moment he woke up.
I'm so glad Jiwoon apologized and asked Suha not to leave him, instead of saying something like "let's break up". Like THANK YOU.
honestly though, I kinda do wish the uploader didn't blur out Taku's face at the end. He's not my fav character, but I think we could have a much more peaceful comment section if that didn't happen lol
THAT BEING SAID: please be mindful that this IS an illegal site. Like it's not as if the official chapter on lezhin has that. Meanwhile on a platform like this, it's really up to the uploader what they want to put on here. They're not obligated to cater to everyone and you can't blame them, saying they "disrespected" the artist/author without sounding like a hypocrite. Because you're reading on an illegal site which is honestly even more disrespectful to the author than blurring out a character's face in a wallpaper that's not part of the chapter anyway.
aw bb you're speaking the truth here! i know there are many readers who buy the chapters but still engage in the comments here (me and you lol). but yeah... getting too heated about an extra picture the uploader posts on an illegal site is a bit nonsensical.
aaah thanks! sometimes i lose my cool when defending joowon, but I usually try my best to be respectful on here >< Love or Hate comment section is always a warzone, it could use peacekeepers hahaha
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